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El Chinho

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« on: October 03, 2005, 01:03:45 am »
I heard tell that they were going to be releasing these in 2005, but only 3 months left and no sign of it.

Does anyone know if these bloody things are ever going to be released ? (cos I WANT ONE ...)
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2005, 02:08:50 am »
i've heard people talking about them, so i think they're out, but i havn't actually seen one
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2005, 02:54:35 am »
There has been talk about releasing this axle for ages. Babache were having troubles with the prototypes as far a I remeber so I wouldnt hold my breath. Where did you hear the release date El Chinho?

For the moment you can get bearing diabolos from Yoho and Spintastics, I have only seen a handfull of people using them, I have used a Yoho a few times and whilst fun and nice for some tricks they felt a bit weird since you dont get the same 'bite' as you would with a normal diabolo during certain tricks

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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2005, 03:53:10 am »
Cmon the ball bearings are cheating. :)

Anyways, dont the bearing diabolos have a real long lasting spin on the string, making sprinklers longer and stuff like that? I dont think that ball bearings can do elevator either, so that might be a disadvantage in some cases. Otherwords, i wonder when they will be released.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2005, 06:26:47 am »
a lot of people said you can do elevators with spintastics diabolos, you just need a double wrap.

and meh, ball bearing diabolos definitely bring diabolos closer to the yoyo, which i dont like....but that wont stop me from getting a couple of em to mess around with. babache will have suckered me in with their amazing design again  :oops:

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2005, 08:54:14 am »
I want one too, it will be awesome for comboing because you won't run out of spin for ages which is my problem at the moment. I can't wait.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2005, 11:45:04 am »
basically everyone is saying how its a bit cheap, but they want to get one...its kind of funny.  A ball-bearing diabolo would be useful for learning or inventing new combo's, but i guess they shouldn't be used for competitions
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2005, 12:43:32 pm »
Ah you can't go back to the age old excuse of "blaming it on your equipment".  Some people might be better with solid axles, some might with with bearing axles.  You pick and choose which ones you want to use and the rest will come out in the wash.  I normally have more trouble with alignment than with speed.

Again, I put my hat in and would like to mess around with a couple as well.  But you know it's gonna be a while.  Who the hell are the engineers they have over there?

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2005, 01:33:14 pm »
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and meh, ball bearing diabolos definitely bring diabolos closer to the yoyo, which i dont like....but that wont stop me from getting a couple of em to mess around with. babache will have suckered me in with their amazing design again  :oops:


Well, I don't know that it'll bring it THAT much closer to yo-yos actually, at least not for regular stick-based diabolo. Bearings influenced yo-yos a great deal because at the same time, gaps got wider, people discovered the "bind" and didn't need a yo-yo that came back up by itself (which made various slack tricks easier). You couldn't add spin during a trick except using a separate regeneration move. Also the use of 10 fingers and the small size of the yo-yo lends itself to complex string moves.

With a diabolo, even a regular fixed axle can do very layered tricks like a stop over on one side and then stop over on the other while still inside of the first stopover. There's many tricks that actually add spin to the diabolo. Having to use sticks and the size of the diabolo makes complex "cat's cradle" stuff kind of a pain in general. Slack's fine with a normal diabolo since it isn't winding up usually, etc.

I'd say that a bearing diabolo would be more likely to expand in its own ways like longer grind combos, more tricks involving backspin.. There's probably some interesting genocide type combos that open up. I don't think the fundamental things that diabolos are good at would change very much. They're much better at things like body moves...

I think the possibility for greater change would be from loop diabolo, where someone could use a small bearing diabolo and do a more complex (I mean string complexity, not difficulty per se) yo-yo-ish routine...

Shawn

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2005, 05:23:23 pm »
well i was thinking a little bit about design (just the fact of having ball bearings) but also of the knot tricks you mentioned...i have a video around here on my computer that i cant find of a dude with a yellow G2 (sorry i forgot who it is) doing a long and complex cat's cradle/magic knot combo. it's pretty sweet, but it's not my cup of tea. anyway, my point is, a ball bearing diabolo would make that sort of thing "more" possible or at least expand the ability for that.

and, to reply to the rest, i dont think a ball bearign diabolo is cheating...except in an endurance comp of course. the thing about diabolo is that you have to add spin; some people might prefer a regular axle diabolo so they can take a break between combos ;)

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2005, 05:38:17 pm »
I have a few of the spintastics bearing diabolos.  My spinabolo plays nicely, except for the elevator.  I couldn't get it to do an elevator by double or triple wrapping it, so I don't know if that is possible.  It kept coming apart, so I tightened it up over and over until I over tightened it. :)  Now it does elevators just fine.  It is so tight that the bearing doesn't spin.  It is a very very heavy fixed diabolo now.

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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2006, 11:06:03 am »
I went down to my local juggling shop yesterday and I was having a look through there stock catalogues and saw the Ball bearing finnese add-on. This got me interested so I asked the owner and he said all of the stuff in there will be out by the end of the year definately. He said manufactures are only allowed to put products in the catalogue that are being released this year to stop vendors being inundated with calls from people asking questions about the product. The price was still TBA but by christmas this year we might actualy see the bearing kit out. Fingers crossed.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2006, 03:40:23 pm »
At last some progress. Cant wait. :D
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2006, 09:09:55 pm »
Do you really believe that? Can't wait anyway....Will buy one... :D

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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2006, 09:35:21 pm »
I have to see it with my own eyes  :shock:
I really don`t think they will make it ever.

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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2006, 09:39:46 pm »
Quote from: Arjan
I have to see it with my own eyes  :shock:
I really don`t think they will make it ever.


I think everyone thinks exactly the same. It's good to speculate though.
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2006, 09:57:29 pm »
What Arjan said!
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2006, 10:48:03 pm »
I think it's legit, there's definately be enough demand for it so MB would be silly not to release one.

And so what if it's copying spintastics, henrys have copied MB with wide axels

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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2006, 11:18:03 pm »
Well, not exactly... They did made up their own design :wink:
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2006, 11:31:25 pm »
i've seen at least 2 photos of the new axle recently, so it's definitely been made, even if just for the purposes of a photograph!

one was on a french juggling site (not passepasse) and the other is in the new babache 2006 pdf catalogue. i'll see if i can dig out the links. it shows the axle fitted to 1 navy blue and 1 yellow hub.

[edit] - found the link.
http://www.tete-en-lair.com/index.php?catid=1_51_53

and for the pdf catalogue, hope mr babache doesn't mind me linking to the file : http://www.jonglerie-diffusion.com/Mister%20Babache-2006.pdf

/john