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TyeTye

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« on: January 27, 2006, 11:24:25 pm »
EDIT: Thanks for whoever moved my post to a new thread ( i was wondering if it would be considered thread hijacking... SOrry OneWheelDave, Wasn't my intention! )

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P.S.: I am looking for the holy grail of illuminated diabolo sticks!
Ok, it hasn't to be that holy, just to survive more than one failed genocide.
Nobody sees my fine stickwork in the dark, including myself - so if YOU know some thing PLEASE TELL ME!!!
If you theoretically invented something good(durable, maybe rechargeable and not heavier than a ton); I'm a good handworker, maybe i'll make a pair for you too!


hey olobaid + anyone else interested...

I was thinking about lit handles as well... as I do lots of handle throwing suicidey stuff....   Perhaps you could use the idea from one of the glowstick led makers...

here's a video of his design of modifying a chem-stick and using a photon to make a led light-stick....

http://revver.com/video/929/

Perhaps we could do the same thing... find a similar opaque or clear tubing, cut the end as he has, and insert a photon to shine down through it.  Getting the light to spread throughout the tube is a matter of scuffing it, or putting some sort of film inside to get it to disperse.

EDIT: Oh, maybe we could use babache clear sticks...  film or scuff the inside and rig a photon in one end.... they should be durable enough!  :)

Plus, if you use photons.. you can either pop them apart and insert new batteries, or just buy a new one for 10-15 dollars...  They last quite a while....    Also, in using an already made product like the photons...  they have a multitude of types... some that strobe through colors... some that strobe on and off, which would give a neat effect to the suicides and genocides...  

http://www.photonlight.com/
http://www.theledlight.com/photon.html


just a thought.  :)

Tye[/i]

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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2006, 02:44:33 am »
@Tye

WOW!!! I'm really exited, seems i'm not alone dreaming of lightsticks!
This photon keychain stuff just seem to be made for this purpose! :idea:
I have a vision of handsticks that easily can be switched on and off(don't want to think of that strobomode or swiching colors, which really would knock me out [-o< !
Tye, thank you!!! Your ideas sounding great & the links just came right!
Do you have played thoose clear sticks from MB, i think they should not be so heavy, maybe ideal for the finesse!
If they would work the thing is done very quick, just have to buy the components and fix the things inside.
I know what i am doing the next week(and maybe the next week too): Damn long shopping tours, i know this after dozens of prototypes of alu handsticks, fire staffs, pois and more! finding the right ingredients is always the hardest part! if i know more, i'll let you know.
maybe i'll start a new thread.
If you know more-feel free email me!

so long,
peter

P.S.: i read this thing with the crossover neckwrap, i figured it out for myself last month and thought i found something new :roll:

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TyeTye

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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2006, 05:31:33 am »
I'll do some more brainstorming too, I like wes's Idea of having a slot for the photon to go in... which would be fantastic for changing colors/designs and what-not.  

Also.. was thinking.. for some of the more technological peoples... it would be neat to have some sort of "contact point" on the handles... where if you were holding/touching the point, the light would be off... but when you release, the connection is made, turning on the light...  So the handles would only light up for genocides/handle releases....   Because, if the handles were lit the whole time, i think it would detract from the glowing diablo...  at least, when i did poi/glowstringing stuff, using lit handles detracted from the other end that was swinging in the air... :)

Glad to get you're motivated to make some OLOBAID.  I'm looking forward to hear how it will work.  I have no clear babache sticks, and i don't know how heavy they are already, so maybe they won't work?  Try plumbing section of a hardware store for stiff opaque tubing.

I will continue thinking...  Hoorah for collaborations.


Tye


P.S. heh, yeh crossover neckwrap, one of the first tricks i did starting diabolo.. I came from 3 years of poi/glowstringing so i was trying to find things that could bridge the prop.  :)  and all the crossover wraps can definetely do that  :)    now perhaps  anti-spin flowers!   :)

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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2006, 02:40:58 pm »
Hooray!
Would be great if other people who read this thread, share their ideas too and maybe start collecting them here!

My plan(referring to the video linked by Tye):
Handsticks of clear tubing max.14mm diameter with a photon slot-in or a photon built-in
Hope the photons are small enough to fit in, without reducing durability too much. Maybe i'll find some tubing which fits over the other to stabilize where the photon is placed.
Material: dont know exactly maybe plexiglass?
Length 35cm if durability&weight allows...
Weight:What would be the perfect stickweight for a finesse2 with wide axle and evol.kit 4? I haven't weighed them out yet.
It would be awesome if its possible to place the leds at the end of the sticks, while having the switches where the thumbs are!
I think the the "contact point" is a really good idea which isn't very difficult to realize, just need to interrupt the electrical circuit, maybe with a little bendy sheet of metal.
I wonder if the UV photons are strong enough to light up a neon string, would be great with the on/off option, so the string is only visible when performing knots or similiar.
No griptape or similiar would look best i think, so nearly the whole sticklength is lit.
I hope its possible to mod the tranparent energys, this would really reduce the work & research progress- but i haven't played them,so i have to search the other threads to find out their pro&contras.
I'll go shopping on monday, i wonder where i can buy photon microlights in vienna, maybe in a outdoor or electronic shop.

If anybody got ideas for lighthandsticks please SHARE!!!!!!!

hope my english is ok, so if there is anything unclear, let me know.
Greets,
Peter

P:S:: i got a nice "new" poi-based 1d trick; swinging the right stick on the string like a poi and the diab like the second poi, making big suns around my body - dont know the name of the poi trick, but its like repeatedly crossing the arms while spinning and turning the body 360or whatever! Think would look really cool with photon sticks!

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TyeTye

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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2006, 04:57:52 pm »
Idea:

Perhaps just a section of the handle can be the tubing... but keep an alum. end, for/grinds what-not.   You would just have to anchor the alum. rod inside the tubing... and it doesn't Really have to ALL light up....  it will be pretty even with a section.....  dunno..   perhaps a sacrifice for functionality and more trick-stuff.


P.s. the poi stuff, i found that if you get a friend to start another diabolo, and hand you the sticks + diabolo... you can use them exactly like poi, doing 3 or 5 beat weaves + butterflies... :)   but it requires a buddy.  heh

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2006, 06:27:02 pm »
This sounds like an awsome idea for sticks but the problem is the material.  Don't use the MB sticks.  I just broke a set the other day.  The problem with them is the tips so mabe just having the handle part light up and then using alu or somthing for the end would work.  
I know i would buy a pair if you get them designed.

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2006, 08:07:49 pm »
Thought:  AS far as the "only lit when swinging" idea....   how about a little ball bearing in the tube, that bridges two contacts.....  if you put it in the end of the stick... when the stick is swinging, it'll make the ball slide to the end, bridging the two electrical contacts, turning on the light....  

might work, right? :

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2006, 08:29:41 pm »
here are my freinds clear extream diabolo sticks with LED's in the bottom

http://www.myorigin.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?album=9&pos=29
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2006, 02:45:11 am »
yes, alu-tips are missing in my list- i just forgot 8)
there are replaceable tips for some sticks but i dont know cause i always used selfmade sticks, maybe the easiest way is to use them - please date me up!
does somebody know how the tips fit into the stick? I think this could be the weak spot.
my idea is to screw and glue - some industrial glues should really bomb things together - if anybody knows a good glue for metal to plastic materials, let me know.

@ jimbo
Might be helpfull if you describe what exactly broke, where the weak part is. I want to make the lit part as long as possible:).
thanks, you'll get a special price 8)

@ tye
I think the button-off-trigger is the best way cause switching on while grinding 2 lit diabs on one lit stick would look supreme(when i figure it out finally) and its more free than it would be with the ball as trigger, which would be to fragile too i think. But its technicaly a really interesting idea!

@ ztt
Is this the only pic of them? they remember me a little to the ones from MB diabolo folies II video(brutal old fashioned). are they availible anywhere?

Peter

P.s.@ Tye
crazy would be to make an airwrap with 2 separate diabs :shock: !!! the poi people stole the sprinkler and called it airwrap, now its time to steal it back! I love this friendly pingpongstealing with other juggling diciplines!
would it be possible to make an airwrap with a partner?

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TyeTye

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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2006, 03:09:09 am »
haha...  i bet an air wrap WOULD work!


or also orbitals!   WHich would look exactly like sprinkler from the front, but would come out like an air-wrap  :)  haha  that'd be swell!    I must experiment  :)


Isolations would also be grand...  (s-fan anyone? (kinda))

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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2006, 03:27:51 pm »
@OLOBAID and Tye Tye

There are a few poi related moves that diaboloists do, some you have touched on allready. Really nice ones with 2d and sfans for example airwrap/hyperloops (theres not ours).
However I'm not going to  join in talking about them in a thread about glowing handsticks where people who might not have an interest in those will  not see the trick related comments. Please can you attempt to keep threads on topic and start another topic or add to an existing one where possible.
There is a subset of diaboloists who got into diabolo via spinning poi rather than juggling (myself) or as a  pure diaboloist (matt h) and a thread on poi influenced moves might be an interesting one.

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2006, 11:26:17 pm »
Of Course Sean! Sorry.. i seem to have juggling/diabolo/poi ADD! ... I will start a new topic shortly.. on poi diabolo business...  (poi topic ended)

Any Luck yet OLOBAID?  

As far as photon choices go.. you might want to think about  Rav'n'lights too...  they have a variety of modes/colors that would work...

::shrugs::

(waits for olobaid's progress)  :)

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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2006, 03:05:09 pm »
Seems to be harder than expected!
My ears glowing red, like the sticks should :shock:  I phoned nearly every shop in vienna which is selling led-stuff, but no photons!
but i want them!!! they are impressingly bright! 27000mcd is top!!!!
found much stuff with the half brightness but the double weight/size!
really sucks, dont want to order in USA, wait 3weeks and pay more shippingfee than productprice! ](*,)
Im going to canary islands on first march(for 3 months) - till then i need the little lightsabers ready!
well nevertheless i've found a shop specialised on plastic materials with a big sortiment of translucent plasticpipes in every size!
And i have found leds for soldering my self - but im sure this would reduce durability! found some flashlights which are rechargeable just by shaking, which would be the best thing, but a little to big'n'heavy!
will take a look at rav'n'lights too!
if somebody got some ideas! PLEASE POST!!!!!!!!! [-o<


I WONT GIVE UP! :D

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2006, 09:58:54 pm »
I just bought long wooden sticks and painted them glow in the dark, only needs light to recharge.  No weight add, or very little I mean, and still works like a charm!
laters...
Jeremy

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2006, 10:42:35 pm »
I was wondering how you would attach the string.  The detachable part on the MB sticks are nice but that plastic threaded part broke.

Or would you do something like the henrys models: down the tube or their alu style.

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2006, 10:51:03 pm »
As for the weak part on those sticks, try looking on the last 2 pages of the thread on new MB engergy and extreme sticks:

http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=89

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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2006, 11:49:22 pm »
Hello! I made two different sets of light up diabolo sticks. I found some really
small/bright LED's at this website. http://lindyfishingtackle.com/tackleshop/customer/home.php?cat=468
I used these lights in some MB energy sticks
(the clear polycarbonate ones with the clear grips)
putting them in the end by the handles which lights the entire stick up! Its sort of a dull ghostly glow if youre looking at the side, but its nice and bright if looking directly "down" at them where the string is attached. The sticks almost act kind of like a fiber optic rod. I keep hearing about the MB sticks breaking, but I havn't expererienced that yet. (had them for about 4 months)
I made the other sticks myself. I bought some .5" (13mm) fluorescent cast acrylic rod from mcmaster.com.  Then I put the same red LED's in the handle area.  These sticks REALLY glow!  They are a bit heavy for my taste and when I tried to put some black foam tape around the ends for handles, the illumination was greatly reduced. It was like the black sucked the light up.  My next thought will probably be using those nice clear MB grips on the fluorescent sticks. This will require turning the fluro- acrylic rods on a lathe since the MB stick diameter is 10mm. (lucky me, I'm a machinist!)  Hopefully someone can use this info.  Good luck!
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2006, 09:29:17 am »
That's quite interesting that you've managed to get it working for you.  13mm rod is a bit much as you said.  If you get 10mm rod, see if you can get clear silicone devilstick grips.  The inside should be 10mm diametre so you've got yourself a nice rubbery grip!

Must be a good machinist to turn down the acrylic rod and it still be clear, lots of polishing methinks.  I think the more crucial thing is, how big was the light fixing at the bottom of the stick and how did you turn it on and off?  I believe the main concerns are the weight that is added to the end of the stick, but if you've got a good system, we'd like to hear.

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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2006, 07:04:49 pm »
Thats a great idea! (using devilstick grips) I haven't actually turned the diameter of the acrylic yet but when I do I don't plan on polishing it at all.
When I faced off the ends of the rod on a lathe the resulting surface finish was not bad. I actually think that the slightly rougher finish will help bring more light to the outside of the sticks instead of right through the middle. Even more so if I taper the diameter a bit.  As for the weight issue, its almost
unnoticable. I chuck the rod in a collet on a lathe, face the end off, drill
a 4.3mm hole about 43 mm deep right down the middle, and tap about 10mm
into the hole with a M5 X .7 tap. The little LED's I mentioned earlier can be turned on by pressing in the head or off by pulling it out ( the LED is just on top of a button switch).  Whenever I use them I turn on the LED's, drop them in the drilled hole in the end of the stick and screw a M5 button head cap screw behind it. The LED's wont turn off by themselves and they are very tough. (never broken one yet) The down side is that they have to be replaced when worn out (lasts about 20 hrs.) The string is affixed using the same drilling and tapping procedure except the screw has a 2mm hole drilled through it. Think MB interchangeable aluminum ends but as a screw
instead of a cap. Here is a pic of the light in the end of the fluroescent red sticks. Sorry about the long address.[/img]
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2006, 09:33:51 am »
That's a good idea, I like it.  Afraid I couldn't see the photo (don't feel like signing up for another thing) but the idea seems sound.  If you've got the right lights all in one, then you're well on your way.

I have to turn the outside of my aluminium sticks from 3/8" to 8mm for most of the length but I have a horrible time keeping the bar straight and not flex when the tool engages it.  End up with a quite rubbish surface finish but with the acrylic, roughened up areas would project the light better.  Another success for the homemade sticks!

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