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« on: February 24, 2006, 07:51:18 pm »
does anybody know which diabolos ryo yabe and which diabolos william use?i think the white diabolos of ryo are heavier than the ones of william but i not really no.
i hope i can try to play wizh them some day :D
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2006, 08:31:00 pm »
Behind your back is your front.

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2006, 09:15:11 pm »
www.naranja.co.jp
you can order them by sending an email to info@naranja.co.jp
I use them alot, nice diabolos

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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2006, 09:25:37 pm »
does william use diabigs?his white ones look like a window(you know what i mean...,ithink :lol: )

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2006, 09:36:41 pm »
I think yes, seem to be diabigs

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2006, 10:18:21 pm »
ok thank you guys!!!

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2006, 04:53:39 pm »
So this seems to be the right thread to ask this in:

Does anyone know what Diabolos Ryo used in the one Diabolo comp at the IJA 2004? They looked a bit like Diabigs but when he dropped it didn´t sound like it.

I know there is a video somewhere on the net but I don´t know where. I think I saw it in an archive called lutkus.

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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2006, 06:39:53 pm »
Yeah Diabigs all round. William uses the translucent glow Diabigs, which is why they look like 'windows'  (:roll:)

Maybe the sound was messed up on the IJA tape.

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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2006, 04:01:46 pm »
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Maybe the sound was messed up on the IJA tape.


Yeah that could be it, but it´s not just the sound of the Diabolo. When he drops his Diabig it bounces high straight up. Whenever I drop mine it only does a little tiny bounce at best.

I saw on the video of his workshop that he said that he had modified his Diabigs. I thought that maybe that´s why it bounced so high. Does anyone know how he had modified them? Or was he talking about his Henry´s?

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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2006, 04:58:49 pm »
He mods them with lighter axles and washers I think.  Taking weight away from the centre (which in turn increases the weight differential between the outer edge and the centre).

As to bouncing higher, I don't know.  But I'm willing to except it as a Diabig, less the man himself pipes up.

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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2006, 09:08:31 pm »
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He mods them with lighter axles and washers I think. Taking weight away from the centre (which in turn increases the weight differential between the outer edge and the centre).


Where can you get axles like that? Does someone sell them (like with henrys mods) or does he have them custommade or something? If he does, does anyone know what material the axles and washers are made of? I love my Diabigs but if you can make them even better, why shouldn´t you? :wink:

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As to bouncing higher, I don't know. But I'm willing to except it as a Diabig, less the man himself pipes up.


Yeah, I just thought the modifying might also have something to do with it.
I would email and ask him myself, but I heard he doesn´t know english  and at the time I´m writing this I´ve had a total of three japanese lessons so that won´t work.

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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2006, 09:00:41 am »
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...does he have them custommade or something? If he does, does anyone know what material the axles and washers are made of?
My guess, as always is, it'll be either PTFE (teflon) or POM (polyacetal) plastics.  Maybe even nylon, can never be certain just by looks alone.  Those are normally the plastics of choice, and when I think about getting my hubs (maybe Matt_...) they'll be one of those.

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I would email and ask him myself, but I heard he doesn´t know english  and at the time I´m writing this I´ve had a total of three japanese lessons so that won´t work.
I think it's great how people want to "learn" other languages.  The UK is losing it's grip on that unfortunately in the school system.  I'm just fortunate enough to be born with two languages around me.

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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2006, 02:36:55 pm »
these diabolos (scroll down) might be the ones will uses.  i've seen a picture of him holding a green one
http://chineseyoyo.com/order.htm

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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2006, 02:51:44 pm »
Nope. As you probably know, we know that he uses DiaBigs (I know this becuase they are at my house  :lol:  ) So i guess you mean his crazy plastic piece of crap he uses for 1 diabolo. Unfortunately that is not it, sorry.

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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2006, 10:27:31 am »
this web was what i found when searching "yoho jumbo" on google

http://www.wyyw.net/auction/auction_9109/auction_Diabolo_main.htm

william must have bought it from here because this is a taiwanese web

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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2006, 12:08:59 pm »

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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2006, 11:01:11 pm »
Im pretty sure Williams diabolos are Diabigs - GID clearing (Glow in the Dark) because I have the same ones.





As you see, one has been modified to take a finesse light kit (and has been modified with aluminium washers, axel and bolt to keep the weight down to 302grams* including light kits).  Not sure how durable the alminium axel will be, but its working fine for now.

The other two are stock at 296grams.

*(edit) 302g when used without the plastic covers on the light kit - picture shown light kit with the covers on which puts the weight up to 316g
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2006, 02:06:08 pm »
Right, everyone. I've finally managed to get some info on his plastic thing, for anyone who cares (please, someone care)

Here are 2 pictures...
http://norbithejuggler.co.uk/temp/005.jpg
http://norbithejuggler.co.uk/temp/006.jpg

And now some details:
Weight: 265g
Diameter: 12cm
Length: 16cm
Material: 'a mix of plastic and rubber' (sorry, that's as helpful as i could get)
Price: 'about USD12'
Shipping: '2 or 3 times more, depending on amount'


If anyone is interested (go on, it's been genuinly hard work finding out about these, i've been trying since December, even William doesnt know how to get them   [true story  :lol: ]) Then, due to the company not having a website, or e-mail or anything really. The best way to do it is to e-mail Angela (Wen Hsiu), William's trainer, and she will do all the ordering and send them on.
 angela945@msn.com

If you happen to speak Chinese. Then you can contact the company direct
FAX: 2-24211816
TEL: 2-24211815


Hope that helps anyone.

Norbichu

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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2006, 02:16:22 pm »
thx for sharing that norbichu :P ..I'll think about it, looks pretty cool!

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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2006, 08:55:36 pm »
These aren´t like the ones that whistle in the Ryo workshop vid right?

They look really cool at least but how is the "feel"?

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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2006, 10:44:40 pm »
No whistling on these. As for the feel... why not buy some  :wink:

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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2006, 12:21:13 am »
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As you see, one has been modified to take a finesse light kits.


why do you need a light kit if you are using a glow diabolo? does it appear more colourful?

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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2006, 02:23:26 am »
glow diabolos dont really glow that well, i have a glow henrys and i dont really diabolo in the dark but when its in the dark it only glows a little bit.

im pretty shure the ligfht kit would look better with a glow diabolo. :)
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2006, 12:01:56 pm »
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why do you need a light kit if you are using a glow diabolo? does it appear more colourful?


Firstly - for them to 'glow in the dark' they need to be charged under a strong light for a while, after which they will glow a nice green in darkness (for a short period before they need recharging with light).  With LED's there is no need to put them in light first.

The main reason though is that they are soooo much brighter with LED's and that you can have the different colours.  As the GID Diabigs are transparent (the picture does not show this well) you can see the lights clearly through the cups and as they are UV reactive the whole cup glows the colour of the light kit (as if being constantly charged with light) - especially with blue and green light kits which give out UV (the blue one is bright as hell).  

The end result is a MUCH brighter diabolo than a finesse with evo light kit.

Edit - here is why

and one next to a red finesse

I trust that answers your question Mango ps although it may not look like it from this pic - the red light kit on the finesse was fully charged its just quite a dark exposure.
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2006, 12:17:27 am »
hey nev!
i use finesse(moon) with leds, the brightness is ok but i dont like the extra weight which comes with the led kit - i was thinking of removing the plastic cover but i have the fear that when i drop from a great height the batts will jump out of their place(like they do with vega x1) - do you know if this happens?

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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2006, 01:16:42 pm »
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I trust that answers your question Mango[/color] ps although it may not look like it from this pic - the red light kit on the finesse was fully charged its just quite a dark exposure.


the diabigs look nicer.  and that answers my question.  will the diabig be heavier when you install a vega light kit?

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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2006, 04:09:51 pm »
offcourse diabolo`s will be heavier when you install lights in them. I imagine a diabig being very heavy with lights on them, since they are already a bit on the fat side.
And for the record: MB lightkits are not called vega x, thats the name for the henrys lights. Lets not get any confusion from that.

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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2006, 04:43:46 pm »
lol, what is heavier 1kg of this or 1kg of that?
i know this is not he right place but - i had troubles with my circus led kits(vega x1) in my circus diabolos(batts were jumping out when dropped hard) and i had the fear when i remove the plastic cover of my finesse led kit-evolution kit 4(to reduce weight) the same problem appears! nev tried this out, so i just wanted to know if he had this problem(with his finesse led kit)

sorry for my very unclear post - english is not my native language! :wink:

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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2006, 05:31:11 pm »
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sorry for my very unclear post - english is not my native language! :wink:


Don`t worry, I was just checking if I was on the same frequency as you.

About the caps on the finesse light kits, I don`t thing the batteries will just fall out with normal play and no dropping. But these caps are a good way to secure your kits and battery.

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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2006, 07:16:30 pm »
And I don' think removing these caps will reduce weight very much :roll:

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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2006, 07:41:08 pm »
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*(edit) 302g when used without the plastic covers on the light kit - picture shown light kit with the covers on which puts the weight up to 316g
Well, that's 14g right there.  Which on a finesse is quite a bit.

I'd keep them on though.  I'd much rather have to play with heavier diabolos than lose the tiny rechargable batteries in the grass.

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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2006, 11:13:39 am »
A bit of well placed Sellotape stops the batteries falling out quite nicely.

And 14g does'nt sound a lot but it feels a lot.
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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2006, 07:47:44 pm »
Thanks, i think the main weight comes from the plastic cover, so i think i will remove it! every g is a easement for my wrists
maybe to wrap a little plastic foil around to protect them from waterdrops is a good idea too...

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« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2006, 09:27:26 am »
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offcourse diabolo`s will be heavier when you install lights in them. I imagine a diabig being very heavy with lights on them, since they are already a bit on the fat side.
And for the record: MB lightkits are not called vega x, thats the name for the henrys lights. Lets not get any confusion from that.


sorry i didn't say it clear.  i know vega light kits are from henrys but i'm trying to say if anyone has tried install vega light kits on to diabigs instead of MB Evo 4 ?

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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2006, 09:06:13 am »
i found a japanese web that sells the diabs william uses
http://www.the-performer.com/diabolo_order.htm

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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2006, 05:14:15 pm »
i think the diabolo william used is not at this website..

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« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2006, 06:18:25 pm »
Yes it is. 3rd one down.

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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2006, 09:29:22 am »
jacky, william uses 2 types of diabs in the wjf, a clear glow in the dark Yoho Diabig, and another diabolo made in taiwan

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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2006, 12:07:59 pm »
Oh sorry, i didnt think Jacky meant thet DiaBig, because there is ample help on getting those. I thought this topic had become how to get the other ones (which i actually played with a lot this year, and they are really good, try one)

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« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2006, 03:28:24 pm »
OK, after recently having a deal go wrong with Naranja, I wanted to ask: Does anyone know of a shop that still stocks the old type Diabigs (the ones that say Diabig in the middle) in white? Anywhere in the world is fine as long as they speak "decent" english.

Jun at Naranja said that they don´t make them anymore. I think this is bad because the axles and the insides of the new ones (marked "Yoho" in the middle) feels a bit different.

Sorry to post this question here, but I felt that it was unnessesary to make a new topic just for this.


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« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2006, 12:32:57 am »
the words "hyper diabolo diabig" are not there any more, replaced by the word "yoho!".  But only some of the colours have the modification.

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« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2006, 03:34:08 am »
erm..sorry if wrong..

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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2006, 05:36:40 pm »
"the words "hyper diabolo diabig" are not there any more, replaced by the word "yoho!".  But only some of the colours have the modification."

Yes, but the axles on the ones that say "Yoho" are different (bigger) and also the Cups of the new type feels strange. It seems to me like there´s a different type of "feel" to the new diabolos (maybe that´s strange?). Anyway, I´m looking for the old type in white and/or yellow.

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« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2006, 03:33:33 pm »
What are the diabolo's William uses in this video? i looked at all the links you gave me but i couldn't find the colour scheme/diabolo he used, they seem to be red with a white star shape in the middle of the cup (i believe they may be YoHo's) and they awsome and i was wondering where i could get some (i live in england) and how much they cost



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« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2006, 03:44:42 am »
William's diabolos

They are YOHO JUMBO

this is the link from Taiwan website

http://www.wyyw.net/diabolo/
If you want to get some from Taiwan.

call Mr. Lin  at 886-968100516
or meet him on line by MSN Messenger:yoyoworldnick@hotmail.com   Yahoo Messenger: lkglin.tw
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In English  Mr. Lin can read/write/speak English

William used the purple ones of YOHO JUMBO. and  he removed the YOHO brand caps to reduce weight then sticked silver tape just like that. pictures attached. check it out..<a href='foxy://download?xt=urn:sha1:NU7B5XKUNIYYAAZDGGOG3KD4HCPAZ6ET&dn=小.JPG&fs=21746'>小</a>

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« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2006, 02:44:36 pm »
You can also buy them from japan and the link to the diabolo pictures don't work.  Also, wouldn't the diabolos wobble if he took the washers of the diabolo?

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« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2007, 05:29:26 pm »
Does anyone know where to find the Diabolos "Benny Zo" uses in his instructionvideos? They make some sort of hissing noise and are really cool. He uses a pink and blue one. Also, a very good taiwanese kidplayer (I think his name was Feiling or something?) uses them too.

Also, the ones with a really big space between them (Benny uses them in a performance but I don´t know the link). There were very "thin" cups on them. Where could I find these diabolos (all help is greatly apreciated)? I´m guessing both types of Diabolos are Taiwanese. Is there a website that sells these?
It would help much if salespeople spoke english but it´s fine if they don´t too.

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« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2007, 07:57:16 am »

the words "hyper diabolo diabig" are not there any more, replaced by the word "yoho!".  But only some of the colours have the modification.

yohos been changing their diabolos for a while. they dont sell small glow/glitter anymore, theyve added new colours, washers. also the quality of their UV diabolos has improved. They use to be made in australia, but now china. i went to the place they were made, its mad, i found a bad full of washers with Ryo Yabes name on them, i should have asked for one. This is one of my freebie diabolos that was rejected by yoho (i think they were experimenting?), its almost clear, glows, and still strong like the normal ones, i now want to adapt a light kit thing to it.
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« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2007, 04:22:14 pm »
Here is the latest diabolo that William using,"Gong Qun"
http://www.diabolo-at.com/

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« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2007, 12:24:49 am »
The three at the bottom looks like circii to me?
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« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2007, 08:25:33 pm »
The three at the bottom looks like circii to me?

They're more of a cross between circus & diabig - the cups material is somewhere in the middle - slightly plastic / slightly circus tacky.  The hubs are like the curved ultra light kits and the axles are just like diabigs only slightly wider.  They have a nice feel to them.
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« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2007, 05:21:06 am »
Interesting. I've always wanted to try a circus with the material of a finesse and vice versa. Just for fun. But then again thats what diabolo is all about.
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« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2007, 10:02:43 pm »
Ok - so I received some info back from the manufactures yesterday (once again thanks Angela & William  :-*) and....if there is enough interest  :-\ I will start selling these diabolos from the UK too.  Prices would be similar to the Fly's (£20 - £21 mark).  I played with Williams diabolos at BJC and they were really nice - almost a hybrid Diabig / Circus with JC's curved hubs (the old stable Jap ones not the crappy Yoho Australian Version).  I already took a big risk with the Fly's (just broke even by the way  :)) and wanted to gauge demand before taking the plunge with these also - If anyone is interested in obtaining some, please PM me with details (ideally I'd like to get some idea of pre-orders - I will be looking to sell both through established retailers long term but in the meantime would like to know roughly how many to order short term)



If anyone else tried Williams at BJC feel free to chip in your comments on the quality / feel of these diabolos.  I Sure liked them.

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« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2007, 10:25:37 pm »
I would be interested but for now ill stick with my flys i just got from you.  If the feedback from people is good and they are considered on par or better than flys then i will probably splash out on some. 

Just a question about them - Did you get any information about the wieght of these from the manufactures? And if so could you post some information (and also whether or not they come with wide axles) please.

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« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2007, 10:32:49 pm »
I tried two of them at the BJC and liked them.  I'd have happily gone for a set if they'd become available before Flys did.  I liked them for the same reasons.  That also means that I'll possibly be interested later, but am fine for the moment.

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« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2007, 11:58:14 pm »
This is one of my freebie diabolos that was rejected by yoho (i think they were experimenting?), its almost clear, glows, and still strong like the normal ones, i now want to adapt a light kit thing to it.

Sure looks like the old Diabig GID Clearing model http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1456.msg19315#msg19315 - scroll down a bit to see it with LED

Man - In future, you really should check through previous posts in the topic you're posting in ;)
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