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Dracodragon

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« on: August 31, 2006, 04:23:24 am »
Hello diabolo.ca,

The other day, I was ball juggling (omg! me ball juggling!) and an idea popped into my head about a possibly new concept of diabolo passing with two people. What first struck me was that when you ball juggle you use two hands, but with diabolo you only use "one hand" meaning that the whole string when doing high stuff counts as one hand (when you do 2 or 3 balls in one hand, its pretty much the same pattern as the basic diabolo high pattern right?). So how about this, when doing two people passing, you now have "two hands" to juggle/diabolo with. Theoretically, this should be the same thing as ball juggling (maybe we only do the half shower pattern becase its the only "ball" trick we think is possible, along with a few siteswaps with that). Anyway, since it should be the same thing, perhaps doing a 3 diabolo cascade passing pattern is possible, as well as many other ball tricks to apply to 2 person passing. It would sure be cool to see a 3 diabolo passing box pattern similar to the ball one, or maybe even a reverse cascade pattern. Also, maybe if this is possible, we can even apply more diabolos in and use the same siteswaps we know with 4,5,6, etc balls. This concept might not look so great with an even amount of diabolo passing though, since each person will be doing 2 or 3 high each.

Well, thats all for now. Discussion?
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Arjan

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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2006, 06:25:30 am »
All the things you mentioned are theorethical possible.

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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2006, 07:19:21 am »
it's definitely possible (and more practical, diabolo speed wise) as having a half shower pattern.

certain siteswaps like 88441 might prove very interesting...

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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2006, 07:36:12 am »
What about with 3 People? Oooh Three Hands! ^^
Would this be possible?


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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2006, 08:33:17 am »
3 people is possible,just not in a cascade pattern. Mills Mess would be funny having 2 people running around like maniacs.
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2006, 08:33:50 am »
i've tried this type of passing, and it seems to work. if is possible i try di film a video. i've done cascade, 441, 423, and some kind of shower.

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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2006, 01:28:09 pm »
umm, I think a lot of people have already done a bunch of work with this. Arjan and Ceri-anne, JiBe Baptiste and Priam, Me and Nate, probably a bunch of others. cascading means one person has to be going against the spin, making it wierd, though I'm sure it's possible. As said in the I just learnt thread, Me and nate also just did: (53)7531(53) in half shower.
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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2006, 03:41:00 pm »
The same ideas have also been mentioned when Jacob and Nate did the 5d passing as a TOTW.
I think it's usual to get this ideas while passing 3 diabolos. Me and a friend did the box with a sun beetween each throw. Its a nice and smooth pattern.

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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2006, 04:17:18 pm »
Quote from: guppygould
Mills Mess would be funny having 2 people running around like maniacs.

I tried once but won't twice. It's really too exhausting !!!!
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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2006, 07:03:24 pm »
nothing is impossble...but if u don't try u will never make it..

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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2006, 10:42:34 pm »
just do this run-around-mess as a 60 siteswap  :wink:

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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2006, 11:19:16 pm »
Quote from: Sharpes
umm, I think a lot of people have already done a bunch of work with this. Arjan and Ceri-anne, JiBe Baptiste and Priam, Me and Nate, probably a bunch of others. cascading means one person has to be going against the spin, making it wierd, though I'm sure it's possible.
This is where having a lefty for a friend makes things much nicer, as both can catch on their strong side and speed up the diabolos.

Passing is one of the most sociable things jugglers can do together and it's something diabolo lacks somewhat unfortunately.  Great when it works and merely more practise when it doesn't.  I'm looking forward to Bristol for this reason to get some passing in (as long as someone is willing to catch my throws  :? )

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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2006, 12:59:53 am »
Im a lefty and ill be at Bristol!! Ill be up for that.

Susannah

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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2006, 02:41:39 pm »
So let me get this right, you're a girl AND a lefty? Wow, that's special in the diabolo scene (I just didn't notice when filming your collab trick) ! :P
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2006, 03:51:17 pm »
Thats me - special  :D

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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2006, 04:36:21 pm »
i hate to sound like i'm taking the p**s but mills mess is possible with 3d and one person using stick grinds.........

i know it sounds ridiculous but think about it theres no reason it wont work.

step up zack

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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2006, 09:02:22 am »
There are some reasons why it hasn't yet worked.

1.It requires a hell of a lot of speed to keep it going for any real amout of time.
2. The diabolos will lose speed quickly.
3. The alignment of the diabolos must be spot on.
4. It's insanely difficult!
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Flo

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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2006, 09:52:06 am »
Quote from: guppygould
4. It's insanely difficult!

Well, look at all these tricks which have been thought to be insanely difficult but have been nailed by some diaboloists. (Some recent examples are the 3d vortex by zack and the 3d mini columns by dekel a as well as 3d (low), 4d which have been thought to be like impossible some years ago).

It's definatley difficult, but why not try to work it out?

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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2006, 10:01:26 am »
well this kind of "diabolo juggling" is possible. and i have no dought that someone will do it in due years. but if you could just do it with 2 diabolos and have a friend throw one in would make it easier. (i think)

suze:  i didnt notice either!! how weird did you sean_?
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2006, 12:18:36 pm »
how did you not notice when we were passing diabolos?? you must have been as drunk as i was - hehe.

Susannah