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Diabolocamp UK
« on: October 14, 2006, 10:29:00 pm »
After the great vids from the German Diabolocamp some people showed interest in a U.K event simlar to that. I thought i would see if there was enough interest to organise a U.K. event and to get some ideas of where is best to hold it (if it happens). I have asked a few people already and they all seemed keen and were sure there would be more interest from others. What do y'all think?
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2006, 10:57:03 pm »
Yes I two have pondered this.

a few thoughts.

-for transport reasons would probably be in a big city which probably already has a juggling convention.
-would tern out be high enough to merit effort/cash spent Ive been to quite a few convos this year  and the tern out of people at a decent 1/2 diabolo level is roughly 10 and normally the same people mods/ two cups/ponte people/ a few mancs/ local area diaboloists/ diaboloists in the show
- what is the criteria for the camp having an interest in diabolo in general to learn/improve/start.

however would

a diabolo heavy show
lots of diabolo workshops
enough top diaboloists together to shoot a vid in a couple of days  be enough to bring everybody out to a convo/camp at once?

I'd be well up for it
 

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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2006, 10:53:28 am »
I'd probably go. Would the diabolocamp be aimed at all abilities? or just people of a specific level?
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2006, 12:23:52 pm »
Anyone and everyone that does diabolo i guess. The more the merrier.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2006, 01:34:31 pm »
Definitely a good location is paramount which will probably be in a city which already has an indoor location for a convention.  For myself, Birmingham is probably my limit on travel from Bath, perhaps Nottingham.

I've tried hard to organise a convention in Bath, but our sports department really doesn't wanna lend out the sports hall for it unfortunatly.  Still gonna try though.  So if somewhere has an established one, of course it'll be much easier to organise.  Remember diaboloists like to throw things high.

I'd love a diabolocamp, it'd probably fall on a saturday when I'm busy.

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2006, 01:36:50 pm »
me and some of the VR diabolo guys would be up for it, i'd say birmingham is a good location as it is fairly central

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2006, 05:30:41 pm »
I'd come! Tell me location and date when you're ready with the organisation!  ;D

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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2006, 09:04:07 pm »
@Fredo, good to have international interest already, very surprising though. I considered coming to the German one but it clashed with Crawley i think

How about Milton Keynes? As far as i know it doesnt have a juggling event but theres bound to be a place to hire there and its easy to get to.

Something else to think about; When is a good time?
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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2006, 10:32:11 am »
I'd be up for this for sure! I NEED to learn new things!
Good time? I would have to say during some holidays seeing as im at uni and all. christmas, easter or summer although theres bjc easter time...
Milton keynes sounds good as does b'ham (anywhere relatviely close to me does!)
Any idea how much it would cost?
I'm sure I could get a group of peopel willing to come along and diabolo solidly for as much time as possible :D

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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2006, 02:31:22 pm »
I'm interested.

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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2006, 05:38:22 pm »
interestedy intreasted and would love to go, it just depends on when and were, i also would say at a holiday tI'me (pprobablynot easter) and some where central of the ccountryso its not too too far for anybody
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2006, 09:27:56 pm »
I'd be well up for this! Do you think you could make it school holiday times? It'd be tough for me to go on a saturday...
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2006, 09:59:22 pm »
It would almost certainly be in school holidays. It would be too hard to get to for people who live further away. The first thing we really need to decide is a venue. Birmingham, Milton Keynes seem to be good locations. Notingham is a possibilty as well becaus eof past jugglign events there but i don't know much about that. But to decide on the actual building(s) we want to hire we need a rough idea of how many pople are going to turn up. Woudl apprectiate help from the German organiser here.

Price? Can't really estimate until we decide on a venue. Obviously we need enough floor space but also height is an issue. Ideally somewhere with enough height for high siteswaps. Anyone got any ideas?
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2006, 11:27:42 pm »
Id definately go too. i rekon i could get a few of my friends to head down aswell, and my vote goes for milton keynes too, not too far from me, and also yeah holidays are good cuz it would be a bunch of guys from my uni i would be bringing

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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2006, 02:10:33 am »
Vote against MK here, being involved with setting up conventions has taught me you need people close on board. Plus it a fair jaunt for at lest 3 concentrations of the UK's diaboloists.

There are a few ways to do this.
Someone takes the bull by the horns, does all the organisation and takes the risk that people will go with it.
The same but with a group that decide to organise the organisation after sounding out the population.
Piggybacking an established event.
wether its an annual thing and will that stay in one area. I like the BJC/EJC model for this. build up steady. one group organises it, at the event hopefully some other group puts forward a bid they have been working on. The profits get passed on to seed the next event.

A few other things to think about.
If you're planning on more than a one dayer you need to think about accomodation (and often security)
Wether you are covered by the venue insurance or if you need to get some yourself (Different venues have different first aid requirements)
Holding an event only during the week makes things difficult for people who work for a living (even if it is in the school holidays). Summer holidays also often have a surprising amount of people away on holiday.
Money, venue dependant, probably going to need some kind of deposit at the very least.

Venues
Leisure centres. Quite expensive guestimate £50/hr, accommodation unlikely.

Universities, Variable, can be quite expensive, You need a motivated student/society to pull this off. Accommodation, potential of using halls during holidays. Shefields good in this respect as they have managed to allow crashing in the hall during their convention. I'm not sure of what they paid but their standard hall hire rate is as low as £20/hr at concession rate during term time, and would be cheaper out of term.

Schools, Theres a few conventions based in schools allready, at least 2 have crash or camping. I think having a connection with the school (preferably as a teacher/child of teacher over pupil) would help here. Theres schools all over the place as well. Can be a bit short on creature comforts.

Comunity centres, come in all shapes and sizes (though not often the highest ceilings), probably cheap, tend to be in dire areas so expect to be killed.

Holiday camps. quite a few of these about, people run soul weekenders etc at them, I dont know too much about them.

What have you. Farms (transport woes?), exhibition centres (all sizes), Aerodromes, rich persons mansion etc etc.

Keep your eye on the IJDB events list to make sure you arent clashing with anything else.

I'd feel a lot better about this if I'd seen more than 10 diaboloists at a juggling convention in the past year (like Mark BMC mentions).

There was a bit of talk about this before http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=508.0 some of the stuff I have kind of mentioned.

Anyhow, there some of my thoughts. If anybody wants to chat to me about this or get some contacts that might prove usefull you know where I'll be on the 4th Nov.

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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2006, 09:13:16 pm »
I've had a look around, ans Aston University, Birmingham looks like a good spot, the accomodation is typically £60 a week for students, but i've got no idea what they would expect us to pay, but here is the link for high-rise accomodation http://www.aston.ac.uk/prospective-students/accommodation/types/highrise.jsp

They have a sports hall, which looks like it would do, because they play tennis and badminton in there, which is open 10.00-22.00 monday-friday and 10.00-17.00 saturday and sunday, but someone might have to ask to see if there is a place we can go just for diabolo, so we don't upset anyone, and it might cost a bit. Dunno, have a look around.
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Re: Diabolocamp UK
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2006, 07:19:56 pm »
why doesn't everyone come to Leeds juggling convention an we can just take other a section of the hall.
its on the 4th November
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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2006, 10:03:14 pm »
Would love to come up, but it's our University's Fireworks event for the city of Bath and my flatmate is organising it, so I'm wearing high-viz and telling cars where to go.

So, Leeds is out for me unfortunately.

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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2006, 11:59:47 pm »
Yeah, who the hell would organize a convetion the same weekend as Guy Fawkes Night?

I'd love to be there, but I've a bonfire to build.

As for diab camp, make it central i.e Birmingham etc & preferably over a full weekend & I'll be there (pending agreement with my controling parties).
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2006, 04:11:46 pm »
Birmingham uni would be ideal, considering that I live here :). Unfortunately, there's nowhere in the guild that's got a high enough ceiling, and the sports' centre is externally owned, i.e. expensive. I'm not sure about the Selly Oak campus or Aston uni, but it's well worth looking them up. I know that Birmingham uni has some halls which aren't used outside of term time, but there would be some extra cost if that was to happen. Sleeping in the hall would probably be cheapest, but that's only if they let you.
Another option would be checking out the Salvation Army. They may have a large hall available, and if they did, it would be exceptionally cheap. The downside to that is that it would probably be in a particularly bad area, but it's worth checking out, nonetheless.

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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2006, 05:48:48 pm »
yeah I gotta work on the fourth !!!

terrible choice of dates i shake a fist at anybody responsible, id have been well up for doing a beginners 1 and 2 diabolo workshop.

Id be willing to help organise and run one in brum  as I live relativly close. Any profit going to the website

 Still think its a numbers problem >:(

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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2006, 10:54:12 pm »
I wanted to come to leeds but i'm busy then with a number of things. (i have to say organising it around bonfire night was a bad idea whoever did that). Birmingham seems like the place to hold it. I'll look around a bit.
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2006, 12:48:20 am »
well lets see, hold it on the 4th or not at all?
Good luck organising diabolocamp Pete because I can tell you even organising a simple 1 dayer like leeds (that only had 300 people turn up last year) sorting out suitable venues for the day and the show, getting sound systems, getting lighting and the tech people to run those. Getting around ten or more performers of a certain standard and variety (hopefully), doing publicity, dealing with enquiries, sorting out traders, getting catering, crash space, door tokens, signs to venue, arranging first aid, sorting out finance etc etc is hard enough for a small team who have done it before. Sometimes you have to take whats offered to you re dates and thats what we had.
None of us have gigs on the 4th (me and tiff have one on the 5th) all the major leeds bonfires are on the friday.
Personally I haven't bothered about that particular anti catholic celebration for a very long time.

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« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2006, 01:29:28 pm »
Birmingham uni would be ideal, considering that I live here :). Unfortunately, there's nowhere in the guild that's got a high enough ceiling, and the sports' centre is externally owned, i.e. expensive.

The selly oak centre is quite close to the main campus and to the selly oak station. I know there's a juggling club there and I think there's a juggling convention every year too. It might be a place to consider. It's not too close to the university owned accomodations but it's quite close to the private ones. pm me if you need a few more details
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« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2006, 06:03:24 pm »
soz sean_
 
was more a grumble at becoming a working man.  I will use that post as a good checklist if I have a go at organising one. Anybody who Fancy's the challenge 2 give me a PM

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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2006, 05:42:41 pm »
Well, i have thought about this for a while and i have decide that considering i am only 15 and have no experience what so ever, I am not the best person to be organising this event. I don't have the time either because of school work. But i would still really like this event to happen. Is there anyone else out there with the will power to make it happen?
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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2006, 06:00:46 pm »
There are plenty of people who could organise it but won't because it takes a lot of time, effort and money. An easier thing to do would be to hold a convention and have the camp run alongside it. There's a convention in Ellesmere Port in the works soon so I could probably organise it. Ellesmere Port isn't the most conveniant or central place to have it so the turnout would probably minimal to say the least. Although there were a couple of D.CA members there last year. For something like this it would be better to contact someone who already runs a successful convention somewhere central like brum and ask them if you could organise something there.

These are the easier alternatives to an 'exclusive' diabolo camp in my mind.
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« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2006, 10:12:51 pm »
yeah true true GG

piggy backing an event would probobly work best. more convo preperation though posting  outlining whats on for diaboloers i.e small work shops run my advansed diabolers for other ca members,

things I'd love to see at a pigi backed camp
-eric and antonin
-diabolo combat sumet to do when the games are on
- intergral suicides workshop

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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2006, 05:02:55 pm »
Don't we need to find a central convention to piggy-back first?
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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2006, 05:57:10 pm »
The BJC is in nottingham this year which is fairly central, its also just far enough away to organise a few things.

I'm not sure how much diabolo related stuff their will be, I'm just suggesting we could organise a few things are self's and get plenty of feedback on the forum, might coax a few more diaboloers to come along, as opposed to 10ish diaboloers just randomly playing in a corner of a sports hall , [ which i do enjoy but ya get my drift].


at the nottingham convo this year [yep i know the bjc is at a differnt venue] we had a separate room that the diaboloists colonised, that worked really well and made a nice camp Esq vibe

just a few more ramblings, seems to be the same people who are posting in this thread so maybe a diabolo camp uk admin team is forming?
me
pete
tom
one.man.band

anybody else who thinks they have time/info/popularity or just plain enthusiasm would be awesome to have on board.I don't think I've met you three but id be more than willing to help organise some stuff. Pm me if so 


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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2006, 06:18:02 pm »
Taking over a convention would be the best option I think. BJC2007 would be a very good place because all the facilities are already ready and it’s quite central next year compared to Cornwall this year.

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« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2006, 06:33:34 pm »
Yeah nottingham isn't a bad date and there is more chance of diaboloers who don't know about the idea turning up.
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« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2006, 06:41:53 pm »
molto bene

marc I'd be knocking on two cupps door for workshops and performanses so I'm happy to see you like the idea

thanks for the feed back guppygould. I'd make a desent effort of advertising , all the big websites and the clubs I go to, the guy who does the flyers for my circus stuff might knock me up a flyer pro bono 

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« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2006, 07:54:30 pm »
hehe, i'm up for that, i was reading about the BJC 2007 a few days ago, and i thought it would be a good idea, but probably one that had already been done or something that happened every year. in this case, there probably isn't much stuff we need to do, just collect all the diaboloists together and kidnap them into another room  :D

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« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2006, 01:28:38 pm »
I vote against BJC as I know that I'll be watching the WJF when it's on so that'd cut into the time available.  I'd help run the camp and I may be able to get the Ellesmere Port hall for 2 days for  less than any other hall available.  I know the Port isn't central but for a 2/3 day event with possible crash space the night before, you never know who might turn up.
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« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2006, 05:08:53 pm »
I really like the idea of piggy backing on another event and BJC does sound like a good one to do it on. Although it would probably mean a dramatic increase in diabolists in BYJOTY, but thats not necesserily a bad thing. Piggy backing would make it alot easier to organise.
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at the nottingham convo this year [yep i know the bjc is at a differnt venue] we had a separate room that the diaboloists colonised, that worked really well and made a nice camp Esq vibe
That would be ideal. And if it was part of a convention then accommodation would already be organised in some way or another.
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« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2006, 10:53:59 am »
I'd definitely help lend a hand as required to make it happen.  I'd put one up in Bath if only there was the space for it (both in terms of height, size and people wanting to sleep somewhere).  If anyone wants some help on organising or things required for organising, I might know, or at least know someone to point in the direction of.

Don't give up on it.  But perhaps a collection of us at the next national convention could work partly as well.  So get booking those tickets and holidays.

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« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2006, 01:20:24 pm »
I would definitely go if i wasn't 13 :'(
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« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2006, 01:30:03 pm »
So would i, i'm 15 so i would probs be able to go next year
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« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2006, 10:47:36 pm »
I'm pretty sure I could get to one if its in the midlands, the birmingham convention was good fun this year and somthing with more diabolo support would be great.

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« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2006, 12:35:31 pm »
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« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2006, 12:46:02 pm »
The people from the north and middle England would go although I don't think any southerners would make the trip. Why not have 2? one in the north and one in the south.
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« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2007, 11:39:12 am »
wouldnt london surley be the easiest place to have it? as it is probably the easiest place to get to and you can rely on public transport all the way? very interested.
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« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2007, 12:21:07 pm »
What numbers are we thinking of to make an event feasible?

I think a diabolocamp in ellesmere port would be good, but we'd need to check numbers first - if the numbers can't be raised then piggybacking another event would be the only real option left; which is a good idea in itself to be fair, although a diabolocamp might attract people who wouldn't want to go to a "normal" juggling convention.

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« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2007, 02:20:43 pm »
wouldnt london surley be the easiest place to have it?

Probably not because it isn't central, somewhere like Birmingham or to an extent Nottingham would be better.
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« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2007, 07:15:45 pm »
Birmingham is good. I could get there without much difficulties.
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« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2007, 07:35:15 pm »
As has already been said in this thread, the location is totally irrelevant.  If something like this was to happen, it would happen wherever the people who actually do something about making it happen are.  Naming cities means nothing if you're not going to actually find a venue and run the thing.

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« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2007, 09:04:09 pm »
So would i, i'm 15 so i would probs be able to go next year

Is there an age restriction or something?
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« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2007, 11:26:03 am »
Up to now there is no age limit and Ellesmere Port is the only place mentioned with an available venue at the moment.
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« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2007, 06:28:12 pm »
i know people were against something linked to BJC this year but would it be possible for someone who is confident at teaching diabolo maybe running a few workshops that could then be used to promote the idea to diaboloists so there is interest created.

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« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2007, 10:01:49 pm »
I think there will most definitely be a diabolo workshop there, hosted by some knowledgable fellow no doubt, in which case someone might want to whisper in their ear about it.  However, without any real set ideas or dates of anything of that sort, I feel it may be either a very long whisper or no whisper at all.

If there was an event going ahead, definitely advertise and plug it there, but interest isn't something that needs stirring up in my opinion, people will definitely want to go.  A fair point nevertheless.  It's always hard to get forum people to announce themselves in public, it's a bit taboo I think.

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« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2007, 11:31:54 am »
any news on this yet?
or has everyone forgotten