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kragen

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« on: November 11, 2004, 12:14:43 am »
Every wednesday evening there is a fire night at the university juggling society (im currently sitting soaked in parafin :) )

At the moment I play with staff to keep me occipied (and warm), but what I really want is a fire diabolo.

I've heard that they are hard to use as they tend to wobble all over the place once you speed them up too much.

Whats the "best" fire diabolo, and where can I get it from (over the net).
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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2004, 03:14:43 pm »
I don't know of any good fire diabolos.  There are quite a few around, but the ones I've seen in use seemed to have a weak flame which didn't last for very long.  I may be out of date on that though?  I wouldn't mind a go of one sometime - the ones I've seen have been too uninspiring for me to try!

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2004, 03:28:29 pm »
I think that one of the main problems is that when you drop them, since they are made of metal, they tend to dent and get deformed, and yes, they start to wobble.

A second problem is that unlike juggling torches, or say a firedevil stick where holding the wrong end for a short while doesn't really matter, having a scaulding hot, rotating piece of metal rub against your arm isn't pleasant. :wink:

There is one model that has a layer or rubber around the outside. Perhaps this solves some of those problems?

You're in the UK, right? Well, I think Butter Fingers - http://www.butterfingers.co.uk/ is one of your main distributors. They have the firefly fire diabolo. I don't know how the various models compare though, sorry.

kragen

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2004, 03:53:56 pm »
yeah the juggling society does a mass club order from butterfingers around this time of year, so when they get round to it i'll probably end up getting one through that.
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2004, 05:46:40 pm »
I think the rubber one with metal cups inside was discontinued due to it being horrible (wobbly)

www.firetoys.co.uk might be usefull, they stock different makes of fire diabolos (and proper one ;) )

there is a forum with some fire diabolo related bits

Fire diabolos are a bit limiting and awkward imho.  but more power to you.

have you considered light kits?

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2004, 06:02:38 pm »
I have considered light kits, but it doesnt look nearly as impressive as something on fire :) It also looks slightly out of place surrounded by people doing fire staff / poi etc...

In general I realise that diabolo isnt nearly as impressive as some other fire props, as the string and handsticks arent visible to spectators.

Also I know thats its difficult to do complicated doabolo tricks with fire as you cant speed the diabolo up too fast, and the bring lights make it hard to see the string,

All the same I want to be able to do some fire on wednesday evenings when everyone else is, and although learning staff just for fire might be easier, but thats not the point :P

That site does look good, I will take a good look on there, it definitely has a better selection of fire diabolo than butterfingers has.

Thanks. :)
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2004, 06:13:15 pm »
Quote from: kragen
In general I realise that diabolo isnt nearly as impressive as some other fire props, as the string and handsticks arent visible to spectators.

Nothing keeping you from setting those on fire too!  :P

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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2004, 06:15:11 pm »
A fire devilsticker uses this mod.

He removes the last inch or so of the handstick covering, then wraps part of that in fire wick (the string type used in fire swallowing etc) so that the sticks become visable to everyone. (i think he uses foil under the wick to protect the wood)

I wonder if something simmilar could be done for diabolo?

or some kind of light arangements in the handsticks...

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seán_

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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2005, 03:47:51 pm »
For those who are interested in fire, Nesbitt have relesed a new improved version of their sprung fire diabolo. Price is still as hefty as ever though @£89

Nesbitt used to have the big reputation as far as fire diabolos are concerned and have been unavailable for years.

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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2005, 03:51:59 pm »
That's great news! Arjan told me, he was looking for 2 Nesbitts..
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2005, 06:25:23 pm »
I got a Fyrefli for christmas, i've only used it once, but it gives a pretty good sized flame, much bigger than i first expected, but i think that this may have been because when i was spinning the excess lighter fluid off it, it went into the inside of the cups, and when i came to light it the insides of the cups ignited a little, not sure how, as there wasn't any wick....

But they're ok, they tilt really easily, like when you are doing suns and stuff, but i suppose they take some getting used to...and i've only used it once so i can't really comment on it that much...lol

Matt

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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2005, 11:41:21 pm »
I`m gonna by me some of those things!!!  :D  

I really would love to play with them!!

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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2005, 04:47:28 am »
i had one of the rubber shell ones, but i dented it so much the rubber shell broke. now i have to wait til i can get new shells from renegade, but it worked pretty well. was very heavy(heavier than harlequin)

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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2005, 10:30:01 pm »
Mty first real post here...
I built one myself and its actually quiet good...
Removed what was left of the cups from my broken first diabolo and replaced them with metalic bowls that I found in an ordinary shop. then just some torch wick aded in the center of the cups. It doesnt wobble at all even when spinning verry fast. When it spins fast the fuel is slunged out from the wick and it burns verry much for about aone minute.  Best thing it wasnt verry expensive to build so I dont lose half a fortune if i drop it ....  
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2005, 12:15:39 pm »
I have a firefli, its pretty good and as long as you play on grass or mud you shouldn't dent it. (i drop mine all the time)

There a little bit small but they are fairly stable during suns and body moves.
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2005, 11:43:48 pm »
I got a Comet which is rather nice. ive also increased the wick size of it replacing the tube reservoir thing for a nice thick cathedral wick which has as long, if not longer burn times, than my poi due to the lack of high speed that’s present when using the poi.

It is still really fun but really i want to get another so I can do 2 fire which although taking alil time to prefect will look a hell of allot better. There’s only so much that can be done with suns and body tricks.

i sacrificed my old wooden sticks a while back by purposely not using any protection on the wood. It was allot of fun and make suicide look amazing and the fact i only did it once made it even more special. i think i might give it another go soon but with some special thought out permanent sticks.

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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2005, 09:48:07 am »
I've ordered a new nesbitt  + 2 G2's + mod kits

Feels good   :evil:

i've been playing with my 3 halequis for ages and there a bit heavy for some things
i think i'll be able to do a bit of stuff i've been trying for a while with the new ones I really want to get into some Excalibur

So i'm wondering if anyones ever experimented with Flaming Excalibur
I'm sure its gonna be even heavier than the halequins but Just Imagine  :shock:

Wouldn't have to be much just enouh to catch on vidio
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2005, 08:14:42 pm »
I personaly would never try it with my comet. I not stable enought to get the spin plus is alil on the thin side i would be very scared of it hitting my face.

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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2005, 10:09:51 pm »
after seeing a topic with a mention of fire, i was wondering how exactly this is acomplished, what is the string replaced with and what is the diablo made of. i am 15 year old who is getting there at doing some good tricks and i just thought fire sounds like a whole new arena to explore.
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2005, 10:24:14 pm »
Fire diabolos tend to be made from a form of metal, with a lightable wick or pads for fuel to be ignited on, see here for diabolos and here for kevlar string (its the first one). Although it is all quite expensive it should look very intersting in the dark.
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2005, 12:31:55 pm »
nesbitts are amazing, apart from the price tag
they are so good i pulled off around both arms and several whip catches, giant flames too!!!

but i can't afford one for myself
 :cry:

Ifrit

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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2005, 02:47:25 pm »
Has any1 ever make a fire diabolo video? Or knows a link to one? i know that JiBe had about 10 seconds of him doing 2 fire in the Bestof film on his site but i would like to see more.

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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2005, 11:31:30 am »
i have seen a fire diabolo here->http://www.windthings.co.uk/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=101473&parentid=FunStuff

the description is "A metal fire diabolo, Inc sticks and kevlar string"
Has anyone ever used this diabolo and can they give give some feed back??

thanx
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2005, 01:58:49 am »
hi to all.
I'm planning to buy a fire diabolo but I don't know anything about it ..
and I thought about Fyrefli Comet Fire Diabolo, but on firetoys.com are a few more.
did you tried any of them ?
what is different between thouse ?
and I heard that Fyrefli Comet Fire Diabolo might have a small flame, is it true ??
and if so then which schould I take to be satisfied ?
and can you write me a few worlds about each of them if you have tried or herd anything ?

have you got any movies with fire diabs ? so I could see how they burns.


at the end sorry for my eanglisch but I started learnin diabolo and stopped eanglishc some time ago :D

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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2005, 11:57:16 am »
I have only used the firefly it bends when you drop it do you have to bend it back which is a bit of a pain.
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2005, 05:06:20 pm »
i have only used the firefli too, it does bend, and i think the flame is a bit smaller, having seen some of the videos of other fire diabolos. If you can afford it i would get the nesbitt, expensive but its way more dangerous (in a good way that is)
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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2005, 09:01:01 pm »
do u guys ever burn urself?  I mean wouldn't it be really dangerous?  do you guys wear protective things?

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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2005, 11:14:53 pm »
yeah, i was wondering too, with fire poi and clubs, if you get hit you get singed, but not horribly, but what about fire diabolo, is there any other fire equipment you need for fire diabolo's????
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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2005, 09:42:37 am »
Kevlar string obviously, other than that not really. Just br careful what moves you're doing. Don't do like body combos or leg combos or anything like that(coz your clothes will burn). Wooden sticks are fine, but rinds are not a good idea without protective gloves on. 2D tricks are a bit awkward coz the start is very hard. Apparently rocket starts dont work with fire diabs and wrap start would be a bit awkward with a burning diab. The best way is a throw in from some one else. 3d with fire.... would love to see it, same starting problem. Might be a bit hard on the arms.
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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2006, 08:35:24 am »
finally used my   Comet tonight. its really cool that its on fire but the tricks are really limited and i was diab'in on concrete so i was worried i'd drop it.
i did a few over the legs, and i grinded for like a second, but mostly what i did was suns and easy stalls.

i have a question - is paraffin the best type of fuel for fire diabolos? i read somewhere that white gas gives a larger flame, but paraffin is safer. (i used paraffin but i felt the flame was sort of small).

i need to get to the beach sometime...

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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2006, 09:46:52 am »
Yep, parafin is the best.  It's the least volatile of the lot and burns slightly cooler than most.  It won't damage your wicks as quickly and you get an decent orange flame.  I can't exactly remember which one is the Comet (does it look like two colinders?) then the wick reservoir isn't huge.  It doesn't seem like much, but you wouldn't really want much more.  If you have the money to get a Nesbitt, they've got big wicks, so a bigger flame, but terribly expensive.  

Best effect is at night, but somewhere with light, not too much but enough that you can see everything, watching the flame messes with your perspective.  But tricks are limited I'm afraid, unless you can get two going and keep going so suns, transfers and such are possible.

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« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2006, 09:23:31 pm »
my parents and my girlfriend gave me the same birthday present...

I now own 2 fyrefli comet diabolos

I havent lit them yet, but I think I'm going to have a hard time getting two fire diabolos going at once.
When I'm doing 2 diabolos I use a wrap start - dont think that's going to work when they're on fire. =0)
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« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2006, 10:05:22 pm »
the comets make a nice sound even when they're not lit - just the sound of the air holes as it spins
and then just a tap with one stick makes a very satisfying "ding"
Beach sounds like the right sort of place for it. I'm only about 15 minutes cycle from a strand that has acres of space at low tide...
cant wait to light them =0)
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« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2006, 09:25:17 am »
This thread here about starting two fire diabolos, is quite useful in giving ways to get going.  I believe the favoured one, and the one I would choose is the put both on the string on the floor, backwrap the right one, put your right handstick against the axle of the left one, roll both to the left and then pop them up, unwrap and away you go.

Bertrand and Dai's "Feel Good Inc" video shows Dai doing his near the beginning of the video.

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« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2006, 12:36:57 pm »
thanks for the link =0)
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« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2006, 11:05:54 pm »
I found the best stuff for the fire.  It's 99.9% parrafin.. It's called lamp light Ultra-pure.  It is smokeless and Odorless.  Unlike normal smokeless and Odorless it doesnt give off the bad fumes.  It's a combustible and not a flammable which makes it several times more safer.  Check it out for sure.  I got it approved by my local fire chief officer.  Their website is www.lamplightfarms.com

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« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2006, 07:19:38 pm »
I wish i could afford some more fire diabolos. To do more than one diabolo could you not get some really heavy duty fireproof gloves. I guess it would make things a little harder though.
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