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How much have you be paid for a performance?
« on: October 21, 2007, 09:23:03 am »
On freeday I and one of my friends haved a 15 min juggling and diabolo perfrmance.
And we got 50 € each. ;D

Some questions.

1. Did you think it was much or little?
2. What is that most you got from a performance?
3. How often did you have performance?
4. How much did you get in average?
5. How long is your performace?
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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 09:45:07 am »
I've never performanced, so I can't compare, but earning 50 euros in 15 minutes doesn't sound like little money :o.

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2007, 10:26:13 am »
I'm in a juggling club and they are professionals which are often proposed some small performance, but they only accept for a certain amount of money and give the youngers (me ^^) the less paid ones.
The money I earn for thoses kind of shows is about the same as you, sometimes more. So for me it's "normal" but I guess the professionals on the forum would find it little  :P

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2007, 12:10:54 pm »
It depends on the quality of your performance.
Do you've used costumes, special light/music,... Is it a act with years of training?
Or is it just a freestyle with drops,... Benefit or commercial company?
Those are al factors what makes the amount changing.
I think 50€ is a good average to start from.

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2007, 02:18:32 pm »
I charge 300 AU$ for my old trad routine

and i'm going to charge 500 AU$ for my new samurai routine

i left the New Zealand circus School Last year and am now living in melbourne as a professional juggler
circus creator/teacher/performer

so far this year i've had my old trad routine booked once
and in the couple of weeks since my new routine i've had strong interest

there's more reguler money in teaching circus

u get what u ask for

but people always want to pay you less
do it, do it ,do it, DO IT!

Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2007, 03:10:14 pm »
Hmm..when i sucked(Worse then i do now)
I did some performing at a downtown mall...I made about 30$ for like...2 hours...
But thats probaly cause like noone else knows diaboloing there.
Now once i get fan smooth and go down there with a boombox, maybe i can get a good bit more =P

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 03:31:21 pm »
As I've said before on here, the number of tricks you can do is nowhere near as important as your ability to actually interest the audience.  If your show will only mean something to people who know about diabolo, it'll never make you good money.  A good show can make a lot of money even though it may not contain a lot of the tricks a diabolo geek might be looking for.  That's not an injustice - it's just a performer who has learned which skill matters more.

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2007, 05:18:03 pm »
50 euro sounds like major money to me. Maybe going pro would be a good move ;)?

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2007, 05:33:07 pm »
I think that 50 euro sounds good if you are just doing it as something extra, but if juggling was your only income you would have to raise the price. It seems to me that the same amount of people will hire you for 50 as they would for 150-200, the people who really want you will pay, so if you start getting alot of intrest raise the price a little.

BTW I do my performances for 75 USD, or if I have me Steve-O and Ray 300 USD.

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2007, 07:26:28 pm »
50euros sound pretty good sum for a gig. It's more than true what people say about
performing here. Usually the good performing skills is the thing that counts. I've seen
many technical guys performing but the actual performance has been really boring.

The thing you that you should first worry is how to get the gigs. Not necessarily how much
money to ask from a gig. When i started performing 8 years ago i did several gigs for free
to get the practice and more fame. I went to every gig i got and i tried to find places to perform.
Not waiting for gigs to find me. It's the other way around you find the gigs. Actually i think i
got an ice cream from my first performance in local kindergarten.

I've noticed that the money, how much you ask from the gig, defines what kind of performances and
how many you get. If i want to perform in better places and not so often i ask more. But i think that
the important thing is to know how good is your show. If you ask too much and do really crappy show
you'll get bad reputation and of course that's no good. So for advice i'd say, keep the pay relatively low
so it's easier for people to have you in their events. Then after a while you can start asking little bit more
from a performance. By doing that i have now 14 performances before xmas  and i still get good pay from those.

But don't forget, i'm also magician so i get probably more gigs than average juggler here but i still get to perform
diabolo when ever i want. Which is pretty funny thing, they first want magician but actually it's all the same for them if
half of my performance is juggling. Yea, and i've done performing for many years now to get my money. So actually
i'm a professional. Point of all this, don't think that you're not good if you have only 2-5 performances a year.
I've been there too. You just need to be seen out there performing.

Sorry, my writings are becoming too long. Maybe this is it for this time.
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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2007, 08:11:49 pm »
I've only been paid for performing once :(.
But I got $35 USD for a five minute performance with other people :)
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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2007, 05:38:24 am »
i dont usually like to get paid to preform but i have done a few of those gigs where you just walk around and entertain people at tables and things like that
i get paid about $175-$250US per hour
its basically just practicing so its very easy hah

for a 15 minuet performance i would charge more i think, but it depends on if you are supposed to talk and bring in an audience or if your just supposed to be there and people can stop and watch if they want, also it depends on if people have to pay to watch your show or not, and finally the quality of performance.

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2007, 01:34:52 pm »
When i started performing 8 years ago i did several gigs for free

I dont request mony but i got still mony ;D


Maybe going pro would be a good move ;)?

Yes I think so but it is not so easy  :D

Thank you for all the answers.


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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2007, 11:21:10 am »
Though I've never performed tricks in public, I should consider that if the income is this big :D
In places like where diabolo isn't known very well, you may get great earnings for just a chinese suicide ;D

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2007, 02:11:37 pm »
As I've said before on here, the number of tricks you can do is nowhere near as important as your ability to actually interest the audience.
Very True. I didn't acctually see it, but a juggler performed on the street up somewhere about 20 miles not of where I live. He stated off his at by dumping what the container said was highly flammable lighter fluid in a giant cicle around the one formed by the audience. Then he juggled torches over the circle. He often pretended to drop, and made miraculous saves. Then at the end he told every one that they were crazy, the town would never let him perform a stunt like that, and that the lighter fluid was only water. Not sure how much he made, but I bet it was no small number.
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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2007, 03:13:37 pm »
I think the most I have been payed is a trip to Norway 1 weekend. Johan and I performed at a twin-convention, and they payed for the flight and hotel that weekend. We got no cash, but it was totally worth it :D

We performed 1 hour total, and did approximately 3 hours of workshop. (We are both danish, so it was pretty funny to teach without words, as they didn't understood danish at all)
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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2007, 10:13:32 am »
Well I'm getting $150 for a couple of hours at new years and probably extra for doing fire.
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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2008, 01:38:25 pm »
Sorry to dig this up but just have to ask:

Is 2000 SEK (around 350$ don´t know the exact currencyrate?) + food and gasexpences (3hr carride there+return) paid really a "fair" sum for approx 10 min performance? This is what I got paid for a performance I did this Saturday at a market. Estimate around 500+ people in the crowd.

The guy who asked me to come wanted to know how much I normally charged, however this was only my second performance on stage ever and I have never taken pay for diabolo before so I told him to pay whatever he thought was fair and I would probably accept the sum anyway. I did not have a costume (shorts and T-shirt) or special music and built the entire act from scratch in about two days (used two unedited songs). Some easy acrobatics included if that should affect a normal wage.

He told me it was entirely up to me how I wanted to build the act so I did a high technical performance with 1-3 + Excalibur (don´t dare to do 4D for a long while yet :'(). Some of the technical stuff still had visual appeal though (for instance did William Lings unwrapped suicide combo + extended it to the one where you throw it up into the string again). It was just such great fun to do, the crowd actually understood that the tricks were technical and were so appreciative afterwards. I staid at the market the entire day, ate and drank for free and just had a generally great time.

Asking this because it felt a bit like thievery when they paid me today, 2000 + other expenses paid for just 9-10 mins doing something fun just seems like so much :-\ (even told them that but they still paid). Only 2 days preparation beforehand and I couldn´t stick to the original routine (it was so windy so I had to cut out a double duicide whip with pirou, a crossed whip-duicide combo, the entire 2D high part and extended the 3D low and excaliburparts instead + added 2 extra 1D whipcombos to make up for the 2D part, left in the 3D high though somewhat foolishly). Entire act was dropless but the parts that were improvised definitely had some quite unnessesary accelration ("stalling") in them because I didn´t know the songs well enough to trick around. I also had to stand at the very edge of the stage because it had a roof that was too low for 3 high, the frontrow probably even saw the fear in my eyes from possibly falling off.
 
Is it really a fair sum though? Does someone know what a good pay would be? For lets say 8 mins, how much would be fair to charge (fair = so that they would want to hire you again every year)? How much would you ask? Do you have a set wage or does it depend on the location/length of drive? Would you charge more for some places? Is there a sum that most people would pay for say private shows (like parties, company-fundays etc)? Sorry for the length of the post but just thought the details might be important here.

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2008, 12:11:10 pm »
I charge 300 AU$ for my old trad routine

and i'm going to charge 500 AU$ for my new samurai routine

i left the New Zealand circus School Last year and am now living in melbourne as a professional juggler
circus creator/teacher/performer

so far this year i've had my old trad routine booked once
and in the couple of weeks since my new routine i've had strong interest

there's more reguler money in teaching circus

u get what u ask for

but people always want to pay you less

Uhm.. By what you say could you earn as a professional juggler way more then average people? Like a teacher?

Because they get paid between 1000 and 2000 and if you have 4 of those samurai routines in a month + some workshops you earn way more?

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2008, 06:13:20 pm »
Diabolo88, as your friendly neighbor country man. I say that's ok.
Seems like a normal salary for me. Though, i think you should have outfit
(even a simple one, not anything too fancy) for your next show. It sounds pretty
much at first but then again you drove there for 3 hours and made a completely
new show for that gig.

Some people will pay you that or more, easily. But about half of the people will be
ready to pay like third of that sum. Sounds like you got i nice fish for your first paid
performance. But it isn't really that much compared to some sums i've heard of or
got a few times. Those would be robbery.  I would probably ask for little less to get more
gigs at first. But it's your choice in the end. You're not a thief.

If you meet me in person, as for a few selling tips. I have one or two really good ones. ;)

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2008, 02:35:23 am »
ina big club near me, they charge 500 AU$ for a 1 hour show?
i think 200 for half hour
so its ok

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2008, 04:54:07 am »
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Diabolo88, as your friendly neighbor country man. I say that's ok.
Seems like a normal salary for me. Though, i think you should have outfit
(even a simple one, not anything too fancy) for your next show. It sounds pretty
much at first but then again you drove there for 3 hours and made a completely
new show for that gig.

Some people will pay you that or more, easily. But about half of the people will be
ready to pay like third of that sum. Sounds like you got i nice fish for your first paid
performance. But it isn't really that much compared to some sums i've heard of or
got a few times. Those would be robbery.  I would probably ask for little less to get more
gigs at first. But it's your choice in the end. You're not a thief.

If you meet me in person, as for a few selling tips. I have one or two really good ones.

Thanks so much for the helpful advice, it is very weird trying to "sell" yourself when it´s all new but feels good to hear that it wasn´t too much (the people who paid were happy so guess it can´t be bad).

See you in Finland 2010 (or maybe earlier) to learn some of those selfpromoting tips from you ;)

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I would probably ask for little less to get more
gigs at first.

Yeah I told them they could pay me just a little money and I´d be happy anyway, but they set up the whole thing, contacted me and made the offer for the pay so I was never really involved in any discussion about it. A third of that sum like you say sounds like big money too so that seems fair.




OK, so would anyone know about how much is fair for TV? It seems like a bit more work but I don´t know for sure yet?
 
I got an email from SVT (the governmentcontrolled network) and they wanted a show in some kidsprogram later in the fall. It is going pretty fast seeing as that would only be my 3rd performance, so any help/tips at all is appreciated.
Would it be OK to say to them that they could make the first offer or is that not professional? They didn´t really give any details yet for the length of the show, or how many times or the travel at all (they only told me they wanted a performance) so what to tell/ask them? And would kids between 10-15 or somewhere in that agegroup really understand technical diabolo (unless they aren´t into it already)?

Edit: NVM my last question, the time of filming was during school so I passed on that.



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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2008, 09:44:46 pm »
I preform at my school
I don't really get money but i got to start my own juggling lesson (Takes out 2 lessons of my daily schedule :))

And sometimes i use the excuse "I'm practicing for the show" To get out of class xD
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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2008, 04:37:12 pm »
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I preform at my school
I don't really get money but i got to start my own juggling lesson (Takes out 2 lessons of my daily schedule )

And sometimes i use the excuse "I'm practicing for the show" To get out of class xD

That is brilliant, not only do you get out of class but you also get more people to practice/pass with. Do you actually get any good interest from people or are they just goofing around with your props?

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2008, 12:23:12 am »
Asking how much to charge for a gig is kind of like asking how much you shuld pay for a car. The answer is of cause that it depends on what car it is.
Steven Ragatz (cirque du solei and juggling veteran) has written a very good article on the subject
http://www.performers.net/library/sr-fee.html

2000 sek may seem a lot for a 10 minute show, but you are not just selling 10 minutes of your time. As you said you spent the entire day geting to and from the market and 2 days putting the routine together. And i dare say you have spent over a tousand hours practicing to be able to perform the stuff in your show, they pay for that as well. More time than most people have spent on their university degree.

A client is usually prepared to spend good money to be sure they get a good act, if the show sucks their events going to look bad, if the show rocks, their event rock! There is always people around who would like to do fire poi for some smallchange and a bottle of lamp oil. But hiring them is out of the question for most serious clients. If you have a good act they will pay to get you.

if the market paid you 2000 and both they and you are happy about the sum the price was rigth. Its enough monney to make you look like a pro and not so expensive that it scares the organizers away.

How much to ask also depends a lot on the costumer, if its a show for kids in a school go for your minimum rate, if its a corporate event fleece the buggers as much as possible. Some gigs you can do for free if you think its a cool purpose (charity etc) but always tell them what the show really costs.

Asking and getting the rigth fee is important, if you charge too much they will not call you next year, if you ask to little you will never earn enough to do it for real.
But if you find a good balance and both you and the costumer feel that they got more than they bargined for you are on the rigth path.

You do amazing stuff not many people can do any of the tricks you are telling about and completly dropfree... thats really cool! So now you stop practicing new tricks for a whike and put your energy on developing your show instead, you are already more than good enough at tech stuff.
If you spend a tenth of the time you put into your technical skill on geting a solid act i dont think you ever have to get get a normal job.
Good luck man



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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2008, 07:14:32 pm »
You do amazing stuff not many people can do any of the tricks you are telling about and completly dropfree... thats really cool! So now you stop practicing new tricks for a whike and put your energy on developing your show instead, you are already more than good enough at tech stuff.
If you spend a tenth of the time you put into your technical skill on geting a solid act i dont think you ever have to get get a normal job.
Good luck man
Who are you talking about,diabolo88?
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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2008, 04:48:59 pm »
yupp i was thinking about diabolo88 when i wrote the reply, but i think the advice is good for many other diaboloers at this forum as well who want to make a living with their arts.
A coupple of years ago the tricks that seem commonplace here today was cutting edge worldclass. And even if it takes a lot more to impress us diabolo players here today, the broad audience has no clue of whats going on here.
There aint that manny diabolo artists around (compared with other kind of jugglers) and I think there is place for many more.
I think that if you can do 3 diabolos solid, you got more tech skill than you actually need to make it as a performer. But it takes a lot of work to develop a good act, and its not all about the tricks. I say put more energy on developing your acts and a little bit less on your tech skills.
This is my opinion and im sure everyone dosnt agree with me.

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2008, 06:02:31 pm »
The most has been $370 us dollars for a 2.5 hour session of teaching and performing for a corporate event. But I usually charge 125 for a kids party which is one hour of both teaching and performing. Prices will probably rise when I go to college in then next few weeks. I think its a fair price for now but am not entirely sure if its too much or too little. Like Steve Ragatz said in his article, Im just going with the flow and my customers responses. What do you all think?
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2008, 08:13:27 pm »
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Asking how much to charge for a gig is kind of like asking how much you shuld pay for a car. The answer is of cause that it depends on what car it is.
Steven Ragatz (cirque du solei and juggling veteran) has written a very good article on the subject
http://www.performers.net/library/sr-fee.html

Great article, thank you very much for linking to it.

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if the market paid you 2000 and both they and you are happy about the sum the price was rigth. Its enough monney to make you look like a pro and not so expensive that it scares the organizers away.

How much to ask also depends a lot on the costumer, if its a show for kids in a school go for your minimum rate, if its a corporate event fleece the buggers as much as possible. Some gigs you can do for free if you think its a cool purpose (charity etc) but always tell them what the show really costs.


Again, thank you so much for the tips. I am happy with the pay and so were the organizers (the people who were hosts were magicians so I guess they knew the techlevel somewhat and suggested the price after that).

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How much to ask also depends a lot on the costumer, if its a show for kids in a school go for your minimum rate, if its a corporate event fleece the buggers as much as possible. Some gigs you can do for free if you think its a cool purpose (charity etc) but always tell them what the show really costs.

I did actually do a show for an elementaryschool in my town but that was a worse experience. It was longer (also dropless) with harder stuff because it was indoors...yet the kids were just screaming and talking the entire time and teachers didn´t care about either the routine or the kids. After it was finished someone yelled "do 4"...so I picked up a 4th and got about 15 catches, but no collect (don´t practice 4 though so that was pretty good for me). At that point everything felt SO good it was over...until some yelled for 5. It is a major anticlimax when you have to verbally explain 5 is beyond you after a routine :P. For that show + an hour of teaching afterwards I got paid a box of chocolates.

It just feels so unnatural to have as a job when it´s normally what you do for fun. As a gymnasiumstudent I get 1050 SEK from the school every month but then you also have rent, without a parttimejob I would not afford props and string :'(. It´s probably just that feeling of "weird" and all the stagefreight I need to get over to start earning money on diabolo.


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But I usually charge 125 for a kids party which is one hour of both teaching and performing.


To get 125 USD for an hour sounds very good, and if you teach you can also avoid the kids getting bored ofcourse. Maybe you know if it´s too much or too little depending on how fun it is or what other expenses you get (like needing to use more string and props for the kids to be teached)? If you will be at college that equals more homework and in turn makes your sparetime more precious correct? Maybe these are factors to be taken into account?

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But it takes a lot of work to develop a good act, and its not all about the tricks. I say put more energy on developing your acts and a little bit less on your tech skills.
This is my opinion and im sure everyone dosnt agree with me.

I like this tip very much so I work on my stagefreight and contact with the crowd alone in practice. Having autism though this is a BIG step for me to take, so it will take lots of work, that is why working on techstuff feels often more satisfying. If your goal is to make money it is probably easier to do if you have good crowdinteraction and then your skills are secondary...but that just doesn´t feel good in the back of my mind.



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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2010, 02:45:31 pm »
I recently got 500kr (5-6kr = 1 Dollar) for a 5 min performance. Though i did spend a couple of hours training for it.
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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2010, 03:46:15 pm »
Gay pride sat/sun event. Performed saturday in constant rain, organisers decide to cancel sunday due to weather. Sunday proceeds to be amazing sunshine.

I go to a free party called Groove on the green, have a go on a power kite on the beach, go for a pint with the organisers then have a campfire/bbq/drinking session till the early hours all with the other performers and still get paid the 250 quid for the day.

Actually having to diabolo for your money is for hobbyists.


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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2010, 09:18:01 am »
dang you all make me feel silly (although i am not much into preforming officially) i got 6 bucks for an impromptu show where i jokingly said yes i will do it but you have to pay me, i was talking to an ex-pro jugglers (contact, poi, balls clubs, little diabolo) and he said after watching me play around for a little bit take nothing less than $100. do it for that much or don't ask for money. so i did i stood outside in the sunny San Diego weather for 4-5 hours welcoming people to the CFHMF (community for healthy mind forum) as well as a lunch show on the stage and in the grass and then taught to a couple of the local teens (got a good giggle out of that) so i could have asked for like $400-$500 (i think) but it was a good cause so i couldn't, does theoretical money count? because if it does i win :)
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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2010, 11:38:39 am »
Well done on getting paid!

It is a strange thing getting paid for what you enjoy doing. You just have to be honest with yourself in terms of what you think your worth and then stick to your guns.

For instance I'm often asked if I know any other jugglers for gigs. What i think about before reccommending is

-are the reliable
-are the insured
- are thy presentable and have attractive equipment
- have they a decent level of technical ability


Probably in that order.



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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2010, 12:22:45 pm »
I was once asked to do a show in Dubai, they would pay the flight and hotel etc and i would get £1500 for the weekend... My parents didn't let me because i'm too young :'(

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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2010, 05:16:22 pm »
I was once asked to do a show in Dubai, they would pay the flight and hotel etc and i would get £1500 for the weekend... My parents didn't let me because i'm too young :'(
poor you :(
-Fredrik, Kurrygrodan
http://www.youtube.com/user/kurrygrodan - Show dat channel some love!

Mark BMC

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Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2010, 12:09:08 am »
Folkert

blimey! who offered you that gig!? pm me their details! I'm half as good but twice as available.