Fixed Axle vs. Bearing Axle

[looby]

My only observation would be how much I wish the tone of this forum was like that of the BJC.  It suprised me just how much socialising there was in comparison to my original fear of people spending the 5 days debating fairly silly, dated issues. 

It's a shame the forum hasn't done the same.

Lou - loving bearings for 24 hour endurance amongst other things

[Squiggle]

I know this is old, But I want a +1 onto my post count. 

How the hell can you "cheat" in diabolo?    Do what you want with it, Bearings are good for some tricks, Fixed for others.  Og;dc if you hate one of them, it's not up to you to say what is right, what is wrong and what other people should be doing.  Please explain already.

[Beni]

Wow seriously, irony is so hard to imply in text.
Learn not to take everything someone writes literally word-for-word.
From my envious viewings and clumsy fixed-axle attempts at mastering the slack style I thought it might have clicked with you that I would not seriously claim a whole style of diabolo "cheating"* and that thus that choice of words was irony, or possibly a statement to piss off matt (depends what he thinks, really).

Beni

*Apart from psy-zen thought diabolo. Those darn monks and their imaginary 5d shuffles. 

[Matt?]

im gunna say it straight Beni, you chat so much sh*t most of the time that no one even cares what your saying, and i know you are trying to post valuble things, but the irrelevancy and amount that u divulge in your posts is rediculous. Yes, you are right, trying to post irony (? do you mean sarcasm) on the internet is a hard thing to do, so dont do it, especially in a topic that evryone knows is a fragile one, use your common sence.

On topic, i dont use bearings, i love my finnesse, but i respect the style, and through a discussion with several people at the BJC, you can certainly not like someting yet have respect for it at the same time. Therefore this thread is pontless, and your post was futile.

Now dont have a hissy fit Beni, someone needs to say it how it is.

[William]

im gunna say it straight Beni, you chat so much sh*t most of the time that no one even cares what your saying, and i know you are trying to post valuble things, but the irrelevancy and amount that u divulge in your posts is rediculous. Yes, you are right, trying to post irony (? do you mean sarcasm) on the internet is a hard thing to do, so dont do it, especially in a topic that evryone knows is a fragile one, use your common sence.

On topic, i dont use bearings, i love my finnesse, but i respect the style, and through a discussion with several people at the BJC, you can certainly not like someting yet have respect for it at the same time. Therefore this thread is pontless, and your post was futile.

Now dont have a hissy fit Beni, someone needs to say it how it is.

x2.
Could not of said it better myself. Thanks Matt.

[Shaun]

I thought this thread had aready been done.
Anyway, i agree with langerz. But i prefer to play with fixed!

[mellowscholar]

irony (? do you mean sarcasm)

Thank you fellow british person.


I've still never tried bearings and I'm really tempted to give it a go for 1D after reading this thread, I must say I'm getting sick of string consumption and tangling. Bearings just frighten me for some reason.
Are there any good bearing diabolos that have cups that don't get gauged by drops on concrete? (that's the complaint I've heard about sundias)

EDIT: Also! What is it that makes bearings so unsuitable or 2D?

[Beni]

Sometimes I forget that "sarcasm is lost on the hard of thinking".*
Sarcasm is a form of irony Matt. I'm gonna say it straight to you, you act really hostile on here for no good reason. You seem to hound me on threads, and I don't know why, just to pick apart my posts and then insult me/put me down over it. I don't really mind, considering this is probably some reflection of what you're like "in the real world", and thus I can't imagine that you'd be doing too well for yourself.
I post irony because that's sometimes how I talk, but I always make it obvious (for most ) that it is ironic. Now do you just wanna quit the hostility, or at least take it over to pms, so the rest of the forum doesn't have to put up with your rants and my counter-rants.
OK?

Beni

*Awesome quote, was it miesta who said it?

[William]

Quote me on this - Stop bitching and get back on topic, this topic is about Baxle diabolos vs. Faxle diabs. Not the "Beni talks rubbish" thread.
Beni, Matt has reasons, he expressed them.

[Beni]

I just said to take it over to pms, mr mod .

My 2c is that both axles have their pros and cons, but as the tricks run out with fixed axle, more people will use bearing to avoid the complication of spin. There is so much untapped in 2d, and probably a fair amount in 3d as well.

Beni

[Darragh]

I was flirting with bearings at the bjc and now see their advantages.
having picked one up for free at the convention i am enjoying using it.
for me and my approach to diabolo its really good for working out 1D body moves/combos.
So much time to think about your next move from key positions.
also on Saturday Ollie introduced me to the world of vertax passing and the bearing defiantly helped

its all good  they just sound awful

[Shaun]

Sometimes I forget that "sarcasm is lost on the hard of thinking".*
*Awesome quote, was it miesta who said it?

I don't think it was me, it doesn't make sense. 'on the hard'?
Anyway, listen to Will, or he'll assert his IQ on you!

[Beni]

As in the pun of "hard of hearing". That's the whole point. Must have been someone else then .

You picked a bearing up for free? Nice...

Beni

[Conor]

Bearings sound horrible to start with. I would never want to use one for a performance simply because of the noise. Furthermore they leave you with sloppy technique and little understanding of speed control. super-long combos are really impressive with a fixed axel but just 'meh' on a bearing. If you watch antonin (or eric) on the WJF 04 dvd they do some rediculously long combos with fixed axels, just wouldnt be the same with bearings.

Bearings can be used to push the limits or experiment with tricks that kill speed really quickly. alot of langerz stuff i imagine would be near impossible without a bearing but really its cheating.

[Beni]

Yeah bearings in body combos and stuff dampen the amazement. Half the skill is in doing moves that keep the diabolo going.
However, in knot combos, bearings are really useful because there is quite a lot of the time no way to conserve or add spin, especially in backside. I hate it when I think "oh this move would look good after this one", give the (fixed) diabolo a lot of spin, then watch it run out halfway through the second trick.
A prime example of a combo where bearings are a must (despite like all of langerz's stuff and most of nev's 2d stuff) is Nick's pne in the latest collab video. He does a string rejection right near the end of a long combo, something impossible or at least very inconvenient with a fixed axle.
On performances: I don't know for sure but if I saw a diaboloist performing with a bearing axle and I was unfamiliar with the prop, I would hear the ball bearings and assume that he's got special kit that makes it all easy (remember people with little experience on diabolo will believe keeping the diabolo spinning is a big problem, as when they go to do their high toss half their concentration is occupied with keeping the diabolo spinning and corrected).

Beni

[Jimthegrim]

How can using a differently designed diab be cheating? Im not saying that id never use fixed axle diabs again, because I find fixed nicer to use for certain things, but conor, you said it yourself, bearings open up possibilities for pushing diaboloing forward and that cant be a bad thing surely? If no one ever adopted new designs we would still be in the dark ages.

[looby]

Guys, ever heard the expression 'flogging a dead horse'

.......

[Darragh]

That Horse would be alive and well if it had some bearings.

[William]

That Horse would be alive and well if it had some bearings.

And a wide axle.

[Beni]

Guys, ever heard the expression 'flogging a dead horse'

Yes, but only in the context of "I used to be into bestiality, sado-masochism and necrophilia before I realised I was just flogging a dead horse". 

But yeah, the answer is: each have their merits, use whichever diabolo suits you best.

Beni