in the thread on 2 diabolo mini genocides
Does anyone know where some guides for the one diabolo genocides / genocide related tricks are?
I've looked around but I cant find anything, there are a couple of mightily impressive looking video's around, but no guides.
I really want to have a go at learning after seeing Norbi's vid's they look awesome!
So I thought well if a guide doesn't exist this forum is probably a good place to gather peoples thoughts about this family of tricks.
First of having a look at Norbis videos
(and others) is a great starting point.
I see there as being three distinct ways of doing these tricks. (but I am willing to be proven wrong)
a) Horizontal to the body, off to the left or right of centre (eg. Norbis earlier videos)
b) In front of the body in line with the right arm (the Way Andy P. does them)
c) In front of the body from infinite suicides (French style / Norbis newer videos)
I learned a) first, (mini genocides then genocides then overcides). Then at Bristol I learned b) from Andy P. who sees it as a good method to be able to sight the diabolo and string. I havent played around with c)
How I learned to do a mini-genocide a) method. (pics to follow)
-First watch Norbis video of a mini genocide
-Then find yourself some space, you are about to do something that might come as a shock to others.
-Throw the diabolo a bit to the right and recapture so your left hand is over the right. let the diabolo settle at the bottom (this is for when you are learning, in practice all this becomes one movement) with both sticks vertical and in line, left hand still over right, right hand lower than the left.
-Pinch the string using two fingers of the Right hand. I use my middle and index fingers but I think others use finger and thumb.
-Swing the whole thing gently to the left to about 8 o'clock.
-Swing smoothly to the right and as it rises let the right handstick slip from your grip.
-Keep hold of the pinch grip, you are aiming for the diabolo to be released so that it travels vertically up.
-Allow the right handstick to travel in a circle so that as the diabolo falls the string will catch the diabolo and start to encirlcle the axle.
-Do your best to catch the right hand stick (you can let go of the pinch grip now if not earlier I dont think its a conscious thing).
-A few things can happen you can find yourself in a string climb(nice) or you can miss the grab and end up with a double or more wrap to deal with. You'll work it out.
The important things I think are to keep everything smoothe and in line. Having somebody to spot you to make sure that the diabolo is being released vertically (or pretty near) and that you are swinging the string in line with the diabolo. Play about with different ways of holding the string and different paces of swings untill it works for you.
If you pinch the string close to the diabolo it will spin quicker and vice versa.
You can physically move your right hand (and whole body) to help the catch if you haven't got the launch quite right its if you have gone out of line where real problems seem to occur.
Once you get this, the Genocide is fairly simmilar in my opinion, just don't pinch the string and swing the right stick in a big circle using your left hand. The release is vertical / back towards the centre with a bit more height to allow for the bigger circle.
Where you can have problems is by swinging the string out of line. thats why I try and keep the left stick in line with the string. I have my knuckles facing up as I swing and release but turn my hand over as I pass 12 o'clock (I think but I'll give it some thought tomorrow night at juggling) again having somebody check your alignment (or use a video camera) should help.
heres a video of me and Mattf doing genocides, we start kind of simmilar, I catch closer to the left stick (closer than I usually do but its all good), matt ends in an infinite suicide.[video]genocides, two different finishes
b) The way I was taught this (for Genocide)
-From around the arm orbit position turn your body 90 degrees so that you are now sideways on to the traditional way you diabolo.
-Scoop catch/scoop sun.
-Bring your left stick so it is vertical and in line with the string as the diabolo starts to rise in front of you.
-let go of the LEFT stick to allow the diabolo to rise up in the air (vertically for preference).
-Let the left stick swing in a big circle to recapture the falling diabolo.
-Catch left stick and deal with situation.
Again what you want to be looking for is trying to keep things in line. this method is good because you can see easily if you are out of line.
c) havent got a clue but suppose learning a) or b) wouldn't hurt as would learning infinite suicides
( hope this is helpfull and isn't me trying to pass on my twisted methods. I can think of plenty of members who would be better placed to explain this family of tricks but maybe this gets the ball rolling.)
(nb. I edited the mini genocide bit as I had said pinch with the left instead of right also I realised that when I do a genocide I launch towards the centre rather than straight up)