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Ofek Shilton

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3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« on: October 22, 2009, 09:53:19 pm »
Hi,
After a lot of practice finally I did it :)!!!
What do you say?

p.s i have another surprise ;)
Ofek Shilton

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 10:22:45 pm »
Pretty sweet!  Your string looks long.  Can you play 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D, and 5D all with the same string, or do you have different string lengths for each one?

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2009, 12:01:00 am »
Nice trick! Your stirng is waaaay long though, its pretty much useless for tricks like excalibur, infinite suicides, and other things. guess that doesnt matter though seeing as how this is a 3D trick
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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2009, 01:22:37 am »
Neat trick!
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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2009, 09:59:04 am »
WOW :o

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2009, 12:15:08 pm »
Is the surprise the new MB carbon handsticks?

and about the trick...its nice,but i think i saw it before!

PS:when will be the 4d sun?

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2009, 03:58:04 pm »
I dont wanna sound like a d*ck. But i personally didnt like this. I think your string is overly long and just makes your style looks messy. I dont get why you have it so long, i can understand having slightly longer string for 4D but i think youve taken that a bit to far and its ruining your style. Also this trick isnt really that great at all, im pretty sure its been done before and its not hard to do. After other videos ive seen from i have to say i was disappointed with this one, with your insane technical ability you should be able to pull off much cooler stuff that this.

I hope i dont start a flame war here, this is just my opinion.

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2009, 04:24:56 pm »
It's a nice trick.

Something I noticed: as your string has gotten longer and longer and your high pattern gotten lower, your "high" pattern has technically turned into a "low" pattern I believe.

With string that long (compared to your arm length) it's at a length where I believe you are unable to fully straighten the string (or maybe you just can, I can't tell). Normally that would make catching a diabolo hard since the string would be loose. However,  you seem to get around that by lowering the pattern to a level where you never have an empty string. When one diabolo hits the string there is still another diabolo on the string just leaving. This keeps the string taught and facilitates catching the next diabolo. It's sort of an in-between pattern.



I wonder how much this contributes to having a super stable pattern? I've always found that the longer the string (and hence the longer each diabolo is on the string) the more stable my pattern. I've just never taken it to such an extreme.

Assuming your 4 pattern is similar to this 3 pattern, your 4 high pattern may technically be a 4 low pattern. That is if we define a low pattern as a pattern where there are multiple diabolos on the string at one time. I guess your pattern sort of defies traditional definitions.

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2009, 04:33:00 pm »
Short string is where it's at! Using a long string makes me feel incapable, compared to short string. The issue with string length is more control vs more room (to a certain extent). Then again, it makes sense to use a long string (more room in your string) if you're focussing mainly on 3 and 4 diabolo stuff.
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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2009, 04:43:17 pm »
well done on the trick, but i have to agree with dodson, your style is suffering due to your string length.
Sideways is rubbish

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2009, 05:05:24 pm »
On the issue of long string...

It seems to me that it would be impossible to do a feed the sun 1-2-3 with such a length string, since a 1D sun would just hit your arms.  I could see how a 2D sun would be possible.  I guess all of us who are waiting for a FTS 1-2-3-4 will have to wait until the string gets a little shorter.

Of course, I can only do a FTS 1-2, which isn't very impressive, so I may not know what I'm talking about.  You may be able to modify your 1D sun, but the way I understand that a sun is performed is that it goes between the arms.  You could modify it to a priolett (mispelled, I'm sure) or something else.  In site swap terms, you could do anything that keeps the diabolo on the string and it would be considered a "1".

If I am being totally ignorant of the facts, please let me know.

Thanks,

Jason

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2009, 05:58:06 pm »
On the issue of long string...

It seems to me that it would be impossible to do a feed the sun 1-2-3 with such a length string, since a 1D sun would just hit your arms.  I could see how a 2D sun would be possible.  I guess all of us who are waiting for a FTS 1-2-3-4 will have to wait until the string gets a little shorter.

Of course, I can only do a FTS 1-2, which isn't very impressive, so I may not know what I'm talking about.  You may be able to modify your 1D sun, but the way I understand that a sun is performed is that it goes between the arms.  You could modify it to a priolett (mispelled, I'm sure) or something else.  In site swap terms, you could do anything that keeps the diabolo on the string and it would be considered a "1".

If I am being totally ignorant of the facts, please let me know.

Thanks,

Jason
I dont think ive ever seen ofek do feed the sun 2-3, nevermind 1-2-3 and your mad if you expecting fts 1-2-3-4 anytime soon, i dont beleive anyones landed a 4 low sun yet and if they have there keeping it secret.

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2009, 06:17:51 pm »
Mad is fine.  Maybe I'll be the first! :)

Seriously, though, I'm not sure it could ever be done consistently.  I'm not sure how the diabolos would all fit on the string without hitting each other.  It would definitely be an insane trick!  I'm sure somebody will be able to do a trick similar to what William Ling did at BJC 07, except with 4D.  I'm talking about the one where he was doing suns with two and would pop one in the air right before he caught the third one.  During the trick there were never really three diabolos on the string, except at the start and end, but there were three diabolos in play, since the third one was always in the air.  I'm sure someone could do the same with 3D suns while the fourth is in the air.  It would be really crazy, but since 3D suns are possible, I don't see why you couldn't keep popping one in the air right before catching the 4th one.

-Jason

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2009, 06:28:37 pm »
Mad is fine.  Maybe I'll be the first! :)

Seriously, though, I'm not sure it could ever be done consistently.  I'm not sure how the diabolos would all fit on the string without hitting each other.  It would definitely be an insane trick!  I'm sure somebody will be able to do a trick similar to what William Ling did at BJC 07, except with 4D.  I'm talking about the one where he was doing suns with two and would pop one in the air right before he caught the third one.  During the trick there were never really three diabolos on the string, except at the start and end, but there were three diabolos in play, since the third one was always in the air.  I'm sure someone could do the same with 3D suns while the fourth is in the air.  It would be really crazy, but since 3D suns are possible, I don't see why you couldn't keep popping one in the air right before catching the 4th one.

-Jason

You mean 42*?!? and so you suggest a 53*?
Yes that might be possible, but it'll be crazy hard.
I keep my mind on 1 and 3 diabolos, although i could think of a few people who might land 53*  ;)

BTT: I want the surprise :-D

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2009, 06:47:06 pm »
I dont think ive ever seen ofek do feed the sun 2-3, nevermind 1-2-3 and your mad if you expecting fts 1-2-3-4 anytime soon, i dont beleive anyones landed a 4 low sun yet and if they have there keeping it secret.

  Around 7.35

I know it is not a 4low sun but its a 53* and that is insanely difficult still (: Done by Dekel and i know this is posted before but i dont think everybody has seen it  ;)

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2009, 06:57:28 pm »
thats a 552* not 53*
still impressive though
i think there are a few people who could do it, but it hasnt happened yet.
Sideways is rubbish

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2009, 07:00:22 pm »
thats a 552* not 53*

haha yeah my bad :D sorry for my kinda bad sideswap skills :D
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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2009, 08:56:44 pm »
http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=6953.msg83454#msg83454

All this talk about waiting for a 53 when it's all ready happened...


I was expecting something kinda a bit crazier seeing all of your other videos, I'm sure this is hard but it just didn't appeal to me as much as your others.

And PLEEEASE let the surprise actually be a trick this time!

EDIT: Looking back at the posts I noticed a *... Go Ofek! 53*
pretentious 12 year old

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2009, 11:14:29 pm »
http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=6953.msg83454#msg83454
All this talk about waiting for a 53 when it's all ready happened...
No, people are talking about 53* (note the star). i.e. throw a high throw and do a 3 diabolo sun underneath.

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2009, 02:37:20 am »

No, people are talking about 53* (note the star). i.e. throw a high throw and do a 3 diabolo sun underneath.

EDIT: Looking back at the posts I noticed a *... Go Ofek! 53*
pretentious 12 year old

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2009, 02:42:12 pm »
really,i not sure if i saw this trick with the other 2 diabolos in shuffle,may with 2 stalls,but...in shuffle....i´m not sure

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2009, 10:05:26 pm »
You're overnatural... :o

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2009, 10:27:34 pm »
After a lot of practice finally I did it :)!!!
What do you say?

Yeah what do I say? Every time you release a "new" trick I want to sound more like a dick.
But this one actually is rubbish. Further more I totally agree with DiaboloDodsen's first post on this.

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p.s i have another surprise ;)

Dude, please just for me, stop hyping yourself. If it fits in a happy meal it's just not big enough to be an actual surprize, not to me at least. 

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2009, 05:29:13 am »
Regardless of the sting length issue (which I previously commented on) or whether or not the trick is "new" (Ofek didn't claim it was), it is still a trick that requires a skill level that most of the world's diaboloists, including myself, have not yet attained.  The kid is really good at diabolo, so I don't care if it's a trick that somebody else has done or if his string is too long.  I appreciate his videos.

-Jason

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2009, 08:22:01 am »
I really get the feeling that some adults are heavily ''producing & managing'' Ofek by clearly thinking out his style and appearance. All of his recent ''work'' gives me the feeling he is a little kid-slave who is become a merchandise-toy of adults. Such a shame.

The trick.. well, it's pretty hard I guess, but the exit trick isn't really visually appealing; the fronwrap out of the shuffle is rather dull and the exit is really ''slumpy'' and messy.
''I have been practising some basic 2d suicide stuff to widen my arse''

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2009, 09:17:38 am »
stop hyping yourself
that  :P

I believe Ofek's style doesn't match his technical gift. as I said time ago...

Hardcore diabolist. There're also another diabolists even with something else than hardcore stuff, like style, though.

Crushing  :P. well...I'm still waiting for Dekel and his improvements with his silky smooth 4d shuffle...

But don't forget boys, no matter what you can do: attitude. Lately, I can feel something strange and defiant in some "kid's" videos... :(


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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2009, 09:38:16 am »
I really get the feeling that some adults are heavily ''producing & managing'' Ofek by clearly thinking out his style and appearance. All of his recent ''work'' gives me the feeling he is a little kid-slave who is become a merchandise-toy of adults. Such a shame.

I understand how you could come to that conclusion for yourself, altough it's still a bit to early to just fill in the blanks. Clearly Ofek is using the forum to get his face out there, for what reason what so ever. One think is really clear to me; Ofek likes diabolo a lot. I can relate to that. And technical skills are always still nice to see, and very important to any performer.
But to me the development of Ofek, from small adorable juggling prodigy to the present Ofek who seems influenced by commercial motivations, just doesn't do the job for me. Not even when he will perhaps one day land 5 ups in his show. This development seems a bit numb to me.


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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2009, 05:49:42 pm »
all i have to say is ive never seen Ofek do an original trick of is own and that is what i think diabolo is about being original
and ive all ways thourt Ofek was over hyped
not that im saying he isnt good

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2009, 08:23:09 pm »
Dude, please just for me, stop hyping yourself.

many times,i think like you ;)

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2009, 09:59:47 pm »
and that is what i think diabolo is about being original
I think diaboloing is many things to many people. I, for one, am glad we have people that are pushing the technical boundaries and people that are pushing the creative boundaries.

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2009, 09:38:02 am »
I think diaboloing is many things to many people. I, for one, am glad we have people that are pushing the technical boundaries and people that are pushing the creative boundaries.

I agree - and others that have smooth styles/grace - maybe not pushing boundaries but looking great at what they do.

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2009, 02:49:59 pm »
I think this discussion is lame. Ofek is 14 years I think he is better than many others.
Ok I agree he is publishing himself, but that is not bad. Maybe he wants to make money with it. Whatever his technical level is such amazing. And the trick is smooth I think maybe the trick isn't original but it's done stylish.
The string length is a bit too long, but if he can play better with it, then it is his decision.
Please don't talk sh*t about him, he is an amazing player!

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2009, 06:12:20 pm »
I think this discussion is lame. Ofek is 14 years I think he is better than many others.
Ok I agree he is publishing himself, but that is not bad. Maybe he wants to make money with it. Whatever his technical level is such amazing. And the trick is smooth I think maybe the trick isn't original but it's done stylish.
The string length is a bit too long, but if he can play better with it, then it is his decision.
Please don't talk sh*t about him, he is an amazing player!
People arent talking sh*t there giving opinions and constructive feedback. When someone says "what do you say?" that doesnt mean only say good things, that means give feedback so he can try to improve himself. Id say your post is lame for trying to stop constructive criticism.

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2009, 10:36:27 pm »
Yeah what do I say? Every time you release a "new" trick I want to sound more like a dick.
But this one actually is rubbish. Further more I totally agree with DiaboloDodsen's first post on this.

Dude, please just for me, stop hyping yourself. If it fits in a happy meal it's just not big enough to be an actual surprize, not to me at least.

I am sorry but that is NOT constructive criticism.

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2009, 11:42:25 pm »
I think you'll find it was plenty constructive.  Far more than yours anyhow.
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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2009, 12:25:33 am »
I think you'll find it was plenty constructive.  Far more than yours anyhow.
how is that constructive. its basically saying flat out "i hate you, and your trick sucks" this discussion is going nowhere. hes 14, and a good diaboloist. maybe that trick was hard for him. sean has mentioned he couldnt get 2d suns, so this could be a good trick for him.

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2009, 12:47:35 am »
sean has mentioned he couldnt get 2d suns, so this could be a good trick for him.
Woah - how did I get pulled into this!? :) For the record I could always do 2d suns, just not very well and I couldn't link together consecutive suns in a relaxed manner for many years. Thankfully it finally clicked a couple years ago. Likewise with 3d suns. They clicked sometime this year. Anyways...

This conversation really isn't going anywhere at this point. I'm shutting 'er down for the time being.

Peace, love, and spinning plastic toys. This is serious stuff guys.

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Re: 3 Diabolo Ofek suicide trick - by Ofek Shilton
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2010, 12:28:11 am »
quote: SNL Black eyed peace

Everybody! Everybody! Lets get barmitswa in here! Lets get barmitswa in now!

But whats the suprise?