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ming

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« on: November 12, 2004, 01:41:08 pm »
is there anyway to go from three high to three low without hsving to gradually reduce the height
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kragen

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2004, 01:54:10 pm »
I saw a video of a guy doing an acrobatics / dance / diabolo performance, he did some very impressive stuf, including 3 diabolo in the splits, and going from 3 high to 3 low almost instantly.

A friend has the video on his computer, I will get it off him and put it on here, (unless anyone else knows of this video), all I remember was that they guy did some acroboatics first (that I dont remmeber much about) then did some 1 diabolo tricks, moving onto 2 diabolo, and then onto 3. oh yeah and there were some stairs each side.

Ok thats an appaling description sorry  :oops:
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Martijn

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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2004, 03:06:37 pm »
I think you mean Tony Frebourg. That video can be found at: http://www.artofdiabolo.com/videos.php
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2004, 03:15:58 pm »
That`s defenatly Tony Frebourg. http://www.artofdiabolo.com/downloads/vids/tony_canal_MQ.mpg

This is the movie you were talking about most likely.
He does 3 high to 3 low, by getting his 3 high carousel (shower) lower at a few throws, so the pattern fal into 3 low. He is very good at this thing.

kragen

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2004, 03:49:42 pm »
yeah thats the one.
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seán_

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2004, 03:57:24 pm »
there was a post on rec.juggling touching on this.

http://tinyurl.com/5y8xc

Basically a toss juggler (Itsik Orr) was working with Segev Shilton using his knowledge of siteswap to try and work out a way of going from 3 high to low in a way simmilar to going from a slow hi shower with balls to a fast shower using a transition throw.

(witness my inept thoughts about siteswap :) )

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Today at our juggling meeting one guy (Segev, who might perhaps be also
known as the brother of Ofek, the 9year old conductor of the EJC orchestra)
was trying to transition from 3 diabolos high to 3 on the string, but in one
move, without taking it lower gradually as people often do.
Not that I can do even two diabolos, but being o.k. with siteswap he thought
maybe I can figure out a transition for him. Now I know that it's obvious to
consider 3 diabolos high as "60" in siteswap, but looking at him do 3 high
and 3 low it somehow didn't make sense to me at all. My idea was that the
string was in fact two virtual "hands", one on the left side and the other
on the right side. That way it all immediately made sense. The 3 low was
simply a shower pattern of 51, with one "hand" always feeding the other, and
the 3 high was 9120, which is similar in rhythm to 60 but done with both
hands. So a minute later I realized that the transition should be either 22
(which is very difficult if not impossible with 2 diabolos straight from 3
high!) or the more reasonable 31.
So after I showed him the idea with balls Segev tried that a couple of times
with the diabolos and it looked surprisingly close. He didn't quite get it,
as it was tough getting into 3 on the string straight from that high 9
coming down hard, but it certainly looked close (the timing was rigth on)
and that it would be an awsome transition when managed.
Just an idea for you diabolo people, maybe an already old idea, from someone
whose prowess with the diabolo ends more or less with under the leg with 1
diabolo ;-)


Nb. this is using toss juggling siteswap, parts of the thread discuss the diabolo version

norbi

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2004, 05:49:56 pm »
I know this may be a pointless post, but....
To anyone that cant be bothered to work with siteswaps or work out what séan meant...

-Do 3 high
-instead of throwing 1 high (like a regular 3 high) you throw it real low like a slow 2 diab shuffle
-throw next one like a 3 shuffle
-do 3 low

tada. hope that helped anyone that was confused.

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2004, 05:58:36 pm »
Doesn't Baptiste do something insanely hard just like that on his WJF video? He drops from 3 high into 2 low, does a rotation of 2 low and then catches the third diabolo into a three low asynch shuffle?

I checked, it's at 1:28 of the video at:

http://www.jugglingcompetition.com/competitors/baptiste_durand.html

There are also some 3 diabolo sucides and 3 diabolo double suns... but who's counting ;)

Sean

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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2004, 06:06:25 pm »
y'not wrong. Yeah thats exactly the trick. seems like a bit of a hard way to go, surely a lowering aerial would be easier, doesnt have to be gradual, Tony does it in a couple of throws.

Yeh that 3 diab suicide is crazy (you may even notice it as the best trick i've seen)

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2004, 06:38:54 pm »
Quote from: norbi
I know this may be a pointless post, but....
To anyone that cant be bothered to work with siteswaps or work out what séan meant...

-Do 3 high
-instead of throwing 1 high (like a regular 3 high) you throw it real low like a slow 2 diab shuffle
-throw next one like a 3 shuffle
-do 3 low

tada. hope that helped anyone that was confused.


I'm one of those people ;). I dont really bother much with siteswaps in toss juggling and even less in diabolo, I just posted the link and the quote in the hope it could be helpfull here.

In the rec.juggling thread there were some discussions on diabolo siteswaps which might merit discussion/explanation by those who have an understanding of such matters.

Seán_

kragen

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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2004, 12:36:09 am »
The main problem is [EDIT: sorry, "seems to be", I dont know - I dont even know 2 high :P] reducing the momentum of the diabolo - whipcatching one of them (as in the diabology trailer), although hard (by the looks of it anyway), would take the momentum out of one of the diabolo at least (and looks damm impressive :) )
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2004, 02:45:04 am »
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whipcatching one of them (as in the diabology trailer), although hard (by the looks of it anyway), would take the momentum out of one of the diabolo at least


That's Priam's aerial whip you're talking about there. Very cool and impressive trick indeed. It still impresses me every time I do it (with 2 diabolos).  8)

It's not *that* hard a trick to pull off, well OK I didn't find it that hard to learn with 2 diabolos, 3 is definitely a step up, but I don't know how much it would help with the momentum issue. If anything it tends to increase the momentum of the diabolo. Dropping from from a high pattern into two low isn't that bad either. The problem is that nasty third diabolo that's still coming down! ;)

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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2004, 09:58:01 am »
Hi,


I just add on ArtOfDiabolo.com our Siteswaps List (see Ressources).

You will find on it 3 siteswaps ways to get down from 3high to 3low, here : http://www.artofdiabolo.com/siteswaps_liste.php?lang=en#3low-(60)12(3)

A non-siteswap way is to decrease the height slowly, with more than 2 heights between high and low.

Tony's  way is crescendo high to low, Baptiste and me we prefere fast high to low, and I only know Baptiste who can do direct high to low.

Priam