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Icebox:
Alright, here goes.

Because of the lengthy descriptions of the tricks in the topic below, it would seem that diabolo.ca is in need of streamlining for its suicide/minigenocide terminology.

http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=9717.msg106237;topicseen#new

The problem seems to arise when people aren't clear about how they reference the sticks. Some people reference the sticks based upon what hand they started in, others where the sticks are at a certain point in the trick.

There are a couple solutions that seem obvious to me at the onset:
- Pick which method of the above should become standardized
- Use a different set of terminology, i.e. color code the sticks, actually name the sticks... something other than left/right

Another problem is that there is no way of knowing what kind of wrap people are talking about without elaboration. Based upon what I've seen on this forum, the 'oldschool' diaboloists refer to wraps as either frontwrap or backwrap. The problem with this is that a frontwrap with a certain hand is the same as the backwrap on the other hand, and when said diaboloist doesn't specify which hand is doing the wrapping, readers don't/cannot picture the trick in the same way. 'New school' diaboloists (myself included) do the (sort of) opposite by referring to left wrap or right wrap, without specifying which side of the string the wrap is occurring.

These differing terminologies then have trouble transferring over to backsides, where a right backwrap/left frontwrap is the same as a left backside, and a left backwrap/right frontwrap is a right backside. When diaboloists use the term 'backside' without saying which backside it is, or when they say 'the stick wraps around the axle' without saying what side of the string it is passing, it inhibits everyone involved in the process.

I understand that this is just me ranting about a topic, but it could be streamlined if everyone could decide how they were going to talk about these tricks. I'm interested to see what everyone else has to say on this topic and if they've noticed the same things I have.

maxmaestro:
in a rush so cant elaborate now. but that sounds good. i have noticed that when a trick is explaned in words people have different ways and it does confuse me. so ya... nice idea

max

Sam 1060:
Really Like the idea, I have never been able to understand where the string is and isn't wrapped.

What are you referring to when u say a back side because I thought, a back side is when the string has a half twist in it. Is that right

You also said that a right front wrap/left back wrap is a left backside can u explain how?  if I am not wrong any wrap leaves your string looped around the axel. where as in a back side your string is half twisted

Marko:
Haha, I know exactly how you feel buddy. I believe I have had my fair share of similar rants in the past. There are  so many problems with naming and using terms. It's massively difficult if not impossible to get everybody to use same naming systems and terms for diabolo.  I can imagine the problems people will have when somebody is trying to explain a integral trick in text form. There are just way too many factors in it that people don't even realize. Such as how to wrap, which stick goes where, do the sticks change hands and even how do you grab the string and what you do with it.

I kinda hate the fact that I always seem to just give people links to older topics. Anyhow here they come:

Couple years ago I was explaining wraps and how to name them so that it's understandable. Basically I use 3 part names for both wraps and sides. First part defining the hand, second defining if it's front or back and third for specifying if it's a wrap or side. So names would be such as right frontwrap, left backside, right frontside etc.... More detailed info with pics, videos and animations from here: http://www.kumiankka.com/wrap/

I remember us talking about wraps also way back in 2008.... oh here it is: http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=5822.msg70082#msg70082
Good points there as well.  Something about naming tricks here: http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=4537.msg55212#msg55212

Quite often people seem to much rather focus on throwing diabolo and having fun. Usually guys here just don't care that much about terminology. Good to see a proper rant once in a while.

Marko:
Sam 1060 if you look a wrap from below the diabolo you can see that (from that point of view) it's actually a backside. More info with pictures here: http://www.kumiankka.com/wrap/index.php?sivu=namingthewraps&toolbar=toolbar-prevnext-wraps1&ohjeet=ohje-quickwrap

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