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Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sean on November 28, 2004, 07:21:39 AM
OK, so this seems like this was starting to get a little off topic from Norbi's thread, but it seemed far to interesting to stop talking about. Let's continue it here:

So what are some other possible tricks for 3 low. Priam brought up the cascade pattern that Lucas is starting to get. This area is almost untouched at this point - so many ideas to be discovered. Here are some ideas I have thought of or have heard of:

-3 diabolo mini-columns. This would be a STUNNING trick!
-Picking one diabolo out of the shuffle and whipping it while the other two keep circling then put it back into the shuffle.
-Grind a diabolo on each stick while one spins on the string.
-All sorts of sprinkler tricks - you'd need to get very good at 3 diabolo whipping or bring the pattern down from a high pattern first.
-Is any kind of knot transfer possible? I can't think of anything that would make sense at this point.
-All sorts of 2 diabolo tricks under a third diabolo that is popped up high.
-A 3 diabolo fan - 3 pieces to the fan!? :shock:

What other ideas and/or dreams do you guys have at this point?

Sean
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: norbi on November 28, 2004, 11:13:50 AM
Well i think the mini columns might not be very mini, but would be significantly lower than 3hi columns. left tug for the left diab (and lift ofcourse) and the right for the right, then both straight out for the middle one. hopping one high and then started the 2 diab mini columns but slightly higher, then as the 3rd comes down, join it in. Granted i can not do 3, so dont know the physical possiblities of this, BUT it seems logical, right?

My other idea was a magic knot into 1up2up, this on the other hand looks like it might not work becuase the diabolo might climb too much and hit the stick....
1) front wrap a diabolo
2) hop the other 2 over it with your left hand (obivously) while the front wrapped one travels to the other side
3) backwrap one of the other diabs
4) trap/stall both the wrapped diabolo (at the same time, or whatever) on each stick. Now there is one stalled on each stick and 1 sitting in the middle, i think lighter diabolos (finesse) would help a lot if this trick is even possible.
5) throw everything up making sure the stalled diabolo release like a magic knot. The middle one will go a lot higher than the other 2
6) catch the low 2 either side of a leg stall, and as the high one comes down throw them up on sync
7) repeat, or go into mini columns.
Just a silly idea that i actually dreamt about about a week ago and seemed possible (but i was dreaming and dont know much about the physics of 3 diabs)

Finally on the fan note. Priams C-fan looks to me (and is :wink:) like a regular Clockwise sun that just gets carried on. So Baptiste's double-sun (or what ever you want to call it) is probably classed as a 3diab C-sun. right?

there's my 2 pence
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: MattF on November 28, 2004, 11:16:42 AM
OK here's a suggestion: i am not even sure if it can be done, but here goes:

Do a right hand trapeze with one, a left hand trapeze with the other, and leave the 3rd to bounce on the horizontal string.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: martijn on November 28, 2004, 12:59:25 PM
Knot stealing with 3 seems even more impossible as with 2.. :roll:
3 Diabolo suicides?
3d stalls (Diabolumberto performs some kind of leg stall in "Diab au logis")
Over the arm tricks with 3 (and other orbits)?
Sun combo's?
Triple release? That's when you have 3 diabolo's in one knot (like the "Hook stall double release" with 2d), and then release it so all 3d go up in the air... and catch it (the hard part, I think :wink: )
Seperation (Free-string stall)? But maybe that isn't possible with 3d.....
Excalibur? (Someone tries/does it with 2, why not 3?)
Much more.... :D
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sean on November 28, 2004, 03:00:57 PM
Quote from: Martijn
3 Diabolo suicides?
Over the arm tricks with 3 (and other orbits)?
Sun combo's?

The crazy thing is that Baptiste is already decent at all 3 of these.  He does a suicide in the WJF promo video, two suns linked together, and around the leg. In the Diabology trailer you see him doing 3 around his arm. These "dreams" for the rest of us have alreay been mastered by the "great Baptiste"! :shock:

Actually I guess there are lots of people who can do an around the leg now. We've also seen videos of -Fred-, Tony, and Yabe doing this and I'm sure there are lots of others I am missing.

Excalibur with 3 could be possibly the most mindboggling trick I can think of. If anyone ever masters 3 to this level I will be very, very impressed!

Sean
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: seán_ on November 28, 2004, 06:43:05 PM
Theres an old school trick, related to mini columns, where one diabolo stays at the bottom and the other bounces across in an arc from side to side. I'd like to see that with three
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: norbi on November 28, 2004, 07:00:00 PM
'ping-pong' i imagine the 3 diab version would be the low cascade Priam mentioned.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Arjan on November 28, 2004, 07:08:56 PM
Yeah indeed...  :?  Insane trick.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: diabolumberto on November 28, 2004, 11:15:57 PM
I think 531 with 3 around the arm is possible.
Baptiste can do a fan !

And I can do mini column with 2 diabolo when I stop one diabolo ...but mini column with 3 diabolos ....Lucas works this trick.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sean on November 28, 2004, 11:43:18 PM
Quote from: diabolumberto
I think 531 with 3 around the arm is possible.

Very cool idea.
Quote from: diabolumberto
Baptiste can do a fan !

What!!?? How does he do a 3 diabolo fan!? :shock:
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: norbi on November 29, 2004, 08:17:34 AM
i think i mentioned this in my first post in this subject, but u didnt comment on that! :wink:
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: De Hoest on November 29, 2004, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: Sean

Quote from: diabolumberto
Baptiste can do a fan !

What!!?? How does he do a 3 diabolo fan!? :shock:


the double sun baptiste do is actually a fan because there isn't any "diabolo switch" between the two sun!

it's a clockwise fan with  3 diabolos!


And what about that thing everybody did when they were first practicing 3 diabs: 1 diab is going up an down , bouncing on the string, while the two others are spinning around it like in a two diabs shuffle.

can anybody do it in purpose?
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: seán_ on November 29, 2004, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: De Hoest



And what about that thing everybody did when they were first practicing 3 diabs: 1 diab is going up an down , bouncing on the string, while the two others are spinning around it like in a two diabs shuffle.

can anybody do it in purpose?


If memory serves, its called an 'orbitor'. Guy Heathcote (GbH) mentions it in a book but, as you say, something that happens when you are first practicing three.  Maybe it could be developed so that the diabolo going up and down does so with some height (like a toss juggling trick under high throw siteswap).

I'm in two minds about keeping my poor attemp levels of three as it is to just to keep this trick. (and the one where one diabolo goes around and the other two follow each other around closely as a pair) ;)
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: norbi on November 29, 2004, 01:14:38 PM
So Priam... wanna film Lucas (or in fact anyone thats trying it) attempting mini cascade?

i'm sure i'm not the only one that would love to see it.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sean on November 29, 2004, 05:21:48 PM
Quote from: De Hoest
the double sun baptiste do is actually a fan because there isn't any "diabolo switch" between the two sun!
it's a clockwise fan with  3 diabolos!

But I can do a 2 diabolo sun without switches... and I can do a clockwise fan... is there not a distinction between these two or is it just style? With the sun without a switch the hands move in a synchronized motion and in the clockwise fan the hands are desynchronized. Maybe the distinction can get blurred. Wouldn't Baptiste's trick be more accurately referred to as a "double sun (without switching diabolos)"? What would it look like if the diabolos did switch?

OK after thinking about it, maybe a 3 diabolo fan that resembles a 2 diabolo fan is not possible because of the whole mechanics of having three objects rotating on a string.

How about any anticlockwise 3 diabolo tricks? Any ideas?

Sean
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Priam on November 29, 2004, 07:38:12 PM
Quote from: seán_
Quote from: De Hoest



And what about that thing everybody did when they were first practicing 3 diabs: 1 diab is going up an down , bouncing on the string, while the two others are spinning around it like in a two diabs shuffle.

can anybody do it in purpose?


If memory serves, its called an 'orbitor'. Guy Heathcote (GbH) mentions it in a book but, as you say, something that happens when you are first practicing three.  Maybe it could be developed so that the diabolo going up and down does so with some height (like a toss juggling trick under high throw siteswap).


The Orbitor can be described as a low siteswap ryrhm, it's 42424242...., the diab in the center does the 2, and both others diabolos do the 4.
Because when you do accidentely, it's really fast, it is synchronous shuffle, so we can say that the orbitor is the 42 rhythm done synchronously.

It's actually done by Trash in DIABOLOGY, in the video "Our secret" (424242) :-)

Priam
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Paul on November 29, 2004, 07:46:08 PM
Stop teasing us about Diabology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: norbi on November 29, 2004, 07:59:22 PM
So, how do u feel about filming some low-cascade attempts Priam (of anyone (Lucas :wink: )?
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: busk on November 30, 2004, 07:06:41 PM
it could be cool one diabolo high and 2 diabolos swinning, like the club's trick!
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: nezzybaby on December 02, 2004, 12:59:30 PM
has everybody downloaded this video??

http://perso.numericable.fr/legralai/carvin_category_diabolo.mpg

Has somebody doing a 3 diabolo sprinkler with a suicide exit, not sure what the guys name is, think i have a video of him trying 4 diabolos low aswell.

Nez
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: norbi on December 02, 2004, 01:08:57 PM
he also does 1up sun with 3, isnt the 4 shuffle on that vid?
He's called Lucas i think.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: -Fred- on December 02, 2004, 01:12:34 PM
When you have a diabolo hight, you have not a lot of time to do 2 diabolos tricks. The only that i can do is the sun 2 diabs (i think it's the same as 522). I try to do a sprinkler but i don't have time to do it (not yet :roll: ).

It's possible to throw a diab very hight but the other problem is to catch it after (a siteswap 4 is not very hard to catch but a 5 is more difficult. I don't talk about  6 or 7 in 3 low...).

I think all 3 diabs siteswaps up to 5 are possible (maybe up to 6).

--- Fred ---
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: martijn on December 02, 2004, 02:21:29 PM
Quote from: nezzybaby
http://perso.numericable.fr/legralai/carvin_category_diabolo.mpg
Has somebody doing a 3 diabolo sprinkler with a suicide exit, not sure what the guys name is, think i have a video of him trying 4 diabolos low aswell.

I've seen the video. That's lucas. I put a short video online of him trying 4d low. It's @:
www.circusplanet.net/temp/lucas_4d.wmv or:
www.circusplanet.net/temp/lucas_4d.mpg
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sean on December 02, 2004, 02:39:03 PM
Quote from: Martijn
I've seen the video. That's lucas. I put a short video online...

Thanks! Where on earth did you find that, Martijn? Is there a whole set of videos somewhere that I'm missing?  :?
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: martijn on December 02, 2004, 05:40:26 PM
Arjan gave it to me :wink: Ask him! :P
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Arjan on December 02, 2004, 05:48:29 PM
Hello people! I got it from Diabolumberto. Ask him  :wink:

*Thnx mate!*
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: nezzybaby on December 02, 2004, 11:59:50 PM
found that lucas 4 diabolo video one night by accident, everything else ive seen online has been listed here or at jongle.net

Maybe there is still some crazy people out there hiding in the shadows, quentin has only just appeared, and look at his video!!!
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Jussi on December 08, 2004, 02:20:45 PM
Quote from: De Hoest

And what about that thing everybody did when they were first practicing 3 diabs: 1 diab is going up an down , bouncing on the string, while the two others are spinning around it like in a two diabs shuffle.
can anybody do it in purpose?


yes, orbitor. that is the only thing i can "do" with 3. when i put third in, its allways going to that mode and my "shuffle" stops when bouncing d collapse another d or when the bouncing one lose its speed and falls off. (so i can keep that strange-looking-shuffle on about 6-8 rounds.. :( )

there could be a way to give speed to bouncing one (maybe even few ways), im not sure. but i will find out soon if there is. :)
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: norbi on December 08, 2004, 03:36:48 PM
Film it! quickly before you get out of the bad habit :wink:  this is a precious time, the orbiter stage. get it on cam
Title: the way to 3arm stall
Post by: wes on January 03, 2005, 02:42:28 PM
I have a question about 3 diabs low tricks.
I'm trying 3 arm stall, but I can't do it by myself.(I've successed 3 sun several times)
Can you give me full and detailed explanation?
I also want to know how to return from arm stall to 3 low.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sharpes on January 03, 2005, 10:51:43 PM
I think there are a lot of cool tricks possible using low notation to do mixed high/low tricks, such as:

(60)507075000(3)
(60)80706000(3)
(3)626112(3) wrap the first 2, do a sun with it during 11
(3)56112(3)

also, If people could string high to low/low to high sequences together, it'd make for some interesting looking stuff.
Title: Re: the way to 3arm stall
Post by: seán_ on January 03, 2005, 11:58:53 PM
Quote from: wes

I also want to know how to return from arm stall to 3 low.


I am so far away from this trick that its not even funny but I would love to see the exit done with two high and a sun out then resume the shuffle like you can do with the 2d trick :)

I haven't even seen anyone get into this trick I dont know if it is done by throwing one up or by the way you can get into the 2d version (backwrap to hand/armtrap, then let it slip back into the shuffle).
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: norbi on January 04, 2005, 03:08:39 PM
I'm not sure if Ryo wants/allows me to put the footage online, but i filmed him doing this (well actually a really funky variation) at WJF. To get out you have to sort of hop the stall diabolo up from the stalled position and get the arm out the way so that it just rolls down the string. Ryo was also trying some stupid front wrap ideas (and failing, obviously)

I might post the video soon, oooohhh.....
Title: three diabolo tricks
Post by: staticjuggler on January 12, 2005, 04:07:35 PM
Here's an idea....

Go into a foot stall with 3 diabolos, with 2 shuffling on one side, one still on the other side.

Pop one of the shuffing diabolos up to the other side where the still diabolo is, pop the still diabolo up, and do a 3 diabolo reverse cascade!! just catch each diabolo on either side of the foot.

Static

www.staticjuggler.com
Title: An idea for 3D fan
Post by: kamikace on January 12, 2005, 05:49:35 PM
I hope you understand me (my english´s fool). I´m agree with sean in that 3D fan its phisically imposible, but I thought some stuff which can be able. it would like a 2D fan, but in one hand (right is the best I think) we would have 2D. In fact, it seems like 2d fan with 2D making suns replacing the simple one.  :oops:  Maybe I´m not clearly. I can make a picture if you don´t see what I say...
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: diabololi on January 12, 2005, 11:32:48 PM
how about a left hand sticktrap stolen by a right hand wrap?
Oli
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Tahia on January 13, 2005, 12:58:36 PM
well i'm trying the splinkler :) but not the commun the other with the left hand :D really dangerous if you have finnesses....  :arrow:  beheaded...
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sean on February 18, 2005, 07:13:18 PM
Both Makky and Synunsuke (welcome you guys! :D) mentioned in their introductions something about a 3 diabolo bounce.

Do you guys want to explain this trick for us?  Any videos? Sounds amazing. :shock:


Sean
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sean on April 06, 2005, 04:53:19 PM
Kapis mentioned a 3 diabolo vortex like move over here (http://diabolo.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4733#4733).

Quote from: Kapis
... you can test it from start.. you have 2 diabolos suffling on the string, wrap third to string but dont unwrap.. just make round around two suffling diabolos like vortex (or transfer or whatever you call it) diabolo you wrapped is free and 2 diabolos are in sprinkler..

if you miss another of these 2 suffling diabolos, its make no difference.. maybe trick is even easier that way.. you have to unwrap only one diabolo, not sprinkler..

i really made this trick once or twice, but because my 3d suffle is so bad i dont really know how easy it is to keep on suffling after that..


Although I don't think I understand exactly what Kapis is describing, it sounds amazing. Any other ideas?
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sharpes on April 06, 2005, 10:12:11 PM
I thought of a cool vortex idea from an armstall or front wrap:

after wrapping one or having it in an arm stall, pull one of the other 2 diabolos up into a left stopover, as you undo the stopover, throw the whole thing around (the vortex). immediately backwrap the diabolo that was armstalled or frontwrapped, and at the same time catch the diabolo that hasn't done anything in a grind on your left stick, then go back into three in whatever way you see fit.

good luck
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Jussi on April 07, 2005, 12:47:21 PM
Quote from: Sean
Although I don't think I understand exactly what Kapis is describing, it sounds amazing. Any other ideas?


and it looks even more amazing than it sounds :) .. when i first time tried it i though why in the world i never seen it before.. i believe its easier than 3d sun or sprinkler.. because you can make it from start.. (for those who can do good suffle - i believe it its easier to do from suffle)

its not whole clear to myself either, but maybe wes will tell us soon.. or send a video.. :)
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: martijn on April 07, 2005, 01:15:50 PM
VIDEO!! :D
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Tahia on April 13, 2005, 09:47:17 AM
i've try a trick with my 3 low... and i've successed it once... and i think it will be the last :D:

splinkler then sun in splinkler with suicide handstick.....
i hope one day film it :D!
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Elmeri on May 08, 2005, 12:55:04 PM
What do you guys think about 3d wrap every pass, in siteswap 51, where 1 is wrap... ??

      I have to give this one a try... I´ve allready done in 3d two wraps after each other, like 1d wrap 2d wrap and continue...
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Elmeri on July 28, 2005, 07:52:44 AM
I had some boring time in my summerjob and thought about this kind of siteswap:
                                                         
At least I cant do this ( yet :) ): 52417811400 (11=sun) (00=pirouette)

:D I think this could be insane...
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: jakethecakebhs on July 28, 2005, 08:50:53 AM
have u seen the video with the 10 yearol doing three diabolos over the leg
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Arjan on July 28, 2005, 08:57:19 AM
Yes we all have seen that, no need to bring this topic up.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: jakethecakebhs on July 28, 2005, 08:59:57 AM
sorry f :oops:
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: korppu on July 28, 2005, 12:59:01 PM
What about 2 up 1 up, like with 3 balls?
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Chiok on July 28, 2005, 06:08:30 PM
I would guess you'd have to pop one out of the shuffle long enough to do a hook stall 2up catch the 3rd, throw again and catch the other 2 and re-enter.  Unless you could do the 2up as minicolumn throws and catches.  Can't see it being a pattern, more a one off.

Chiok
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: norbi on July 28, 2005, 10:24:07 PM
you could get into a leg stall, with 1 high (somehow, maybe throw one high out of the shuffle side of the stall) and sync throw the stallled 2, they would even cross aswell, which would be cool.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: korppu on July 29, 2005, 11:24:40 AM
Yeah,  it would be nice if the diabolos crossed. come to think of it, it might be easier to do like that, atleast the simultaneous throw but the catch might not be..  btw does anyone do 3 low alternating trapezes?
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: -Leo- on August 07, 2005, 09:08:20 AM
You could possibly do a stick grind and a leg stall to start the pattern/trick.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Jester on August 07, 2005, 02:19:36 PM
well since we're talking about stuff we'd like to see

3 diabolo hyperloop stickgrind
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: norbi on August 24, 2005, 12:30:16 PM
i'd like to see 67(11sun)(22sun)(33sun) low. Who's up for it? I saw Miguel (sp?) doing 5(22sun)(33sun) that was really nice, but now add the 1 diabolo sun at the beginning.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: JGherkin on August 24, 2005, 01:34:27 PM
Hey Norb, don't you mean 57(11sun)(22sun)(33sun)?  :wink:
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: norbi on August 24, 2005, 02:40:42 PM
ofcourse i do. I cant believe i spent all that time working that out (in which i got what you put [as you know]) and then typed the wrong bloody thing!

Oh well. I still wanna see it.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sharpes on August 24, 2005, 03:15:20 PM
that'd be nuts! I've tried 5(22sun)(333sun) before, but my two diabolo sun is too fast, so they have too much momentum to stay in place for the three sun. I think the 7 would come down too fast to do the 3 sun. someone's bound to do it eventually though. I tried 57(11sun)(22sun) a bit yesterday, but my 55(11sun) isn't solid enough yet.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: garner on April 13, 2006, 10:04:25 AM
sorry to bump up an old thread but...
a while ago i got a trick into my head and since that day i have stepped up my 3d practice so a can pull it off but still no luck. so i thought i would post it here and see if the more gifted of us can pull it off...
sun to armstall (or just pop a diabolo up into the armstall) and then to a long vortex motion from that armstll so the 2 diabolos in open string are wrapped (right front wrap) into a 2d sprinkler. as the other diabolo (armstall one) comes up on the right side of the srting flick in into a left grind. and after all of that you'll be left with one diabolo on a grind ready to throw back into the shuffle after a suicide out from the sprinkler of the other 2 diabolos.
as i was reading this thread i noticed that kapis said about a similar trich but his seems harder somehow.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: -Leo- on April 13, 2006, 10:27:22 AM
That's a nice idea but it's easier said than done. Maybe if we got Fred and Baptiste on the case there would be success of some kind. Just to add another couple of silly ideas to the 3d thread: some kind of 3d magic knot and a 3d antisuicide.
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: mango on May 01, 2006, 12:51:09 AM
tony can do 3 around the back (high) in diabology. i was thinking of this idea for the three diab fan.  the middle diab is wrapped and the other two diabs rotate around the other diab so it looks like a fan (not like the big ones on the ceiling)
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: fredo on May 01, 2006, 09:52:00 AM
Could be possible, nice idea! Anybody willing to try it? :P
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: martijn on May 01, 2006, 11:29:45 AM
What does the fact that Tony can do 3d behind his back got to do with a 3d fan?
Title: Hmmm
Post by: William on May 02, 2006, 06:34:07 AM
Quote from: Martijn
What does the fact that Tony can do 3d behind his back got to do with a 3d fan?


Whats what I thought.. :|
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Arjan on May 02, 2006, 09:09:16 AM
good question! I really don`t have any clue on this fan/3D BTB stuff  :?
Title: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Tahia on May 02, 2006, 03:45:13 PM
i've tried very difficult  :shock:
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: J_J777 on April 27, 2007, 08:03:03 PM
Well, diabolo skill has risen so much that lots of these "crazy tricks" have been done like FTS 1-2-3, mini columns, vortex (qualified i think), sprinkler suicide out etc....

I have a couple crazy tricks that I would like to propose, 3 high btb lowered down to 3 low around the body  8) , 45605040  (3 stage 1080  :o)  FTS 1-2-3-2-1 (feed to unfeed), and tahia's proposed sprinkler sun suicide out.

Crazy you say?  It'll probably be common place.... in 50 years lol.
Josh
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: OLOBAID on April 27, 2007, 10:35:10 PM
wow, nice ideas!
can anyone change from 3d shuffle to an orbiter(2d shuffle orbiting 1d) and back?
orbiters happend to me often when i tried to learn 3d(still trying :roll: ) i think for the 3d experts out there, this should be more than just possible... but i havent seen it on any videos.

Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: J_J777 on April 27, 2007, 11:12:43 PM
A 3 diabolo orbitor is just 4242424242......  

Priam wrote:
Quote
The Orbitor can be described as a low siteswap ryrhm, it's 42424242...., the diab in the center does the 2, and both others diabolos do the 4.
Because when you do accidentely, it's really fast, it is synchronous shuffle, so we can say that the orbitor is the 42 rhythm done synchronously.

It's actually done by Trash in DIABOLOGY, in the video "Our secret" (424242) :-)

Priam


I've seen a couple rounds but never continued.  I've done it by accident before but well that was before i could shuffle 3.  

Josh

P.S. my 42 isn't consistent enough to try it repeated that much but if you watch fred's video he does 424242 i think if I remember correctly.  However 42424242.... doesn't look quite the same as orbitors.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: OLOBAID on April 28, 2007, 03:10:59 PM
hmm, when i read throu this thread i didn't understand what was meant with the orbiter! you brought me to reread throu the thread and i have to say, thanks!!!

seems like i also have to watch diabology again, because i cant remember there is a orbiter(or what i understand under an orb.)although i have looked for it... so is there anyone who can get into, and out of the orb.(not accidently)?

id also like to see some knotstealing with 3(like kapis mentioned)...
this thread is so interesting, it should develop more imo...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on April 28, 2007, 09:29:30 PM
Can anyone do 5241 with a suns on the 2 and the 1 ? (all of this on low ?)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: J_J777 on April 28, 2007, 10:32:32 PM
A 1 diabolo sun is "11" not "1".  So i needs to be 62511 or something like that I think.

Josh
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on April 29, 2007, 04:23:05 AM
Just dreaming- 3D umbrella

Double armstall with each boucing to the side, asynch would look sweet
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Pete on April 29, 2007, 04:36:32 PM
I have come very close to a half umbrella. Sun to wrap, unwrap the frontwrap and wrap the one on the right with a backwrap, then the one in the middle seems to go shooting up, after that i drop, im still working on it though.

I've also managed a sun to wrap, to sprinkler, but i missed the suicide out (typical me), so i think thats workable.

I think i'll hang on to my antisuicide ideas for now. ;)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on April 30, 2007, 07:42:05 AM
Better idea- Easier with asynch shuffle and bearings though

Right armstall, Pop the two diabolos in the small shuffle into Antishuffle then sun out like you would with a left armstall into the Anti Shuffle. Possible?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: David - SAS1 on May 17, 2007, 01:45:33 PM
I have an idea for 3d fan but can't do 3d to try it out, i'll try and explain:
From the shuffle place one into left inverse trapeze
Right frontwrap sprinkler the other 2
Then throw the one in inverse into backside and the sprinkler over the top and it should go round

Does anyone know if this would work scientifically.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Nahxela on May 17, 2007, 04:26:41 PM
A sprinkler release pass would be really sweet with 3d, although the passer would probably have to be at a higher point than the person catching, because a 3d sprinkler looks like it would hit the ground if someone tried to release it, then pass it...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on May 19, 2007, 01:06:20 AM
I don't think the fan would work..?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Jussi on May 19, 2007, 09:32:23 AM
I have an idea for 3d fan but can't do 3d to try it out, i'll try and explain:
From the shuffle place one into left inverse trapeze
Right frontwrap sprinkler the other 2
Then throw the one in inverse into backside and the sprinkler over the top and it should go round
Does anyone know if this would work scientifically.

that inverse trapeze way.. is very difficult way :) there is much easier..

if you have enough speed in those 2 diabolos you can MAYBE do one or two rounds with that fan, but then what.. i dont understand how to go out from that fan.. but maybe i try anyway :)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: David - SAS1 on May 19, 2007, 10:52:03 AM
It was just a mad idea that I thougth up, it may last for abit with bearings but it would be difficult to finish it and get out of it
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Dan on May 19, 2007, 08:34:32 PM
3-2-3 feed the fan.  Popping one of the diabolos out when doing a "fan" continuing the fan with two and then catching the other to continue the fan with 3.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Pete on May 19, 2007, 08:49:18 PM
With feeds everyone seems to have missed a logical step. Yeh, we've got 1-2, 2-1, 2-3, 3-2 and any combination of them. What about a 1-3 feed eh? everyone missed them out.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Dan on May 19, 2007, 08:53:50 PM
Ye that would really rock but it would also be incredibly hard since popping one out is hard enough before the other two come around.  Someone try (i can't do three consistently enough yet) and show a video if possible.  Would love to see this!
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on May 19, 2007, 08:58:48 PM
I´ve tried doing armstall and then going into columns with the two remaining diabs, but it´s too hard for me still. Anyone who could get close to this? It would probably be easier with a handcaught string on the right side. I guess someone with short string and/or a better async should have more success.

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can anyone change from 3d shuffle to an orbiter(2d shuffle orbiting 1d) and back?
orbiters happend to me often when i tried to learn 3d(still trying :roll: ) i think for the 3d experts out there, this should be more than just possible... but i havent seen it on any videos.

This happened to me a few times when I started learning three (but only from the wrapstart). I remember thinking it was the pace of the hands that got screwed up for one beat. Instead of going back into a good rythm when two diabs come too close to eachother, you can´t (because you´re a beginner) so the push to the right becomes weak. After this you return to a normal rythm, but the Diabolo that didn´t get enough push the previous round jumps back and gets stuck in an orbitor. This has happened to me a couple of times when I started learning suns too (I think because the shuffle needs to "restart" afterwards). I wrote all of this down at the time, but I don´t know if any of it is useful though. The easiest way to get out of an orbitor might be to go into async or possibly to make a wrap.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: OLOBAID on June 04, 2007, 10:29:04 PM
Diab88, never tried to learn the orbiter as a trick and not see it as a phenomen?

was tryin to improove my wrapstart today and had an orbiter, im really bad in 3d i can barely do 5or 6 rounds with luck... however, somehow i managed to go from the orbiter in a kind of 2d minicolumns with the 3rd in the middle - it really was a short expierience and im sure im not able to repeat this that soon but i think if someone can do an orbiter on request, its even possible to change the direction, to go into the antishuffle and do low 3dminicolumns...

ähmm, think i have to mention that this is aimed at bearinged diabolos ;)

am i just not up to date or why is there no one who can do the orbiter intentionally and what do you think about that minicolumnstuff?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: nev on June 04, 2007, 11:39:25 PM
I can hover start + send the other two into antishuffle and then magic knot the 3rd into a 3 low antishuffle but only for about 8 ott at best (which, to be fair, is about as good as my regular 3 low attempts).
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Dan on June 05, 2007, 01:32:14 AM
I can hover start + send the other two into antishuffle and then magic knot the 3rd into a 3 low antishuffle but only for about 8 ott at best (which, to be fair, is about as good as my regular 3 low attempts).
Video please if possible nev.  I've made a mistake of going into a 3d anti shuffle instead of normal by accident (im still learning how to hold a regular shuffle aswell).  Now i don't use my fly's as bearings when trying 3 because i hate the feel of them and so i can't really hold the anti shuffle at all.  I just want to see your technique at trying to hold it.  I can't hold a 2d anti shuffle for very long so i probably just need a lot of practise with that first.

Also i can't hold a hover because my 2d shuffle with the other 2 diabolos turns to mush but i figured a way to get them to almost do mini colums before i throw the third diabolo in.  Someone more experienced with 3d should mess around with this because it looks really cool when it works.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on June 05, 2007, 03:30:10 AM
When I first learned to shuffle 2D I was actually anti-shuffling. Weird
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Nahxela on June 05, 2007, 10:21:05 PM
What would be a really cool start into three is if you're doing a normal juggling shuffle (as if you were juggling clubs or balls), then you maybe do some sort of siteswap and toss each diabolo up as a variant toss start.
I've always wanted to try, but I can't do 3d, and I can't really siteswap in juggling, besides with 1d, which doesn't really count.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on June 06, 2007, 02:06:53 AM
You wouldn't need to do 3D to be able to Start like that. I've managed to do a 2-up start into three low and get like 5 OTT. And I didn't have to be able to shuffle to do it.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: David - SAS1 on June 06, 2007, 09:53:19 AM
If you are doing juggling tricks how 'bout 3d mills mess or boston mess
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: OLOBAID on June 06, 2007, 09:17:15 PM
http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=Ahung&b=27&f=1120762896&p=19
wouldn't this be a nice entry into the orbiter?

thanks to Angela for posting this vid! its topic is:
William & Ryo in PEH Cup Taipei Taiwan (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=3018.0)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Pete on June 06, 2007, 10:48:34 PM
I think 3d mills mess is do able, and maybe boston mess. I can carry high colums for 6 catches or so, so i might try one or ther other some time. In high i think its doable, but they'll slow down. Dont even talk to me about low *scowls*. One would string climb the wrong way and collide with the other i think, and they would slow down real quick.

Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2007, 11:04:45 PM
I've just thought of a trick which will be hard but i think possible.  It's almost like Zachs 3d vortex he was trying awhile back.

First you would right frontwrap a diabolo as it came round in the shuffle and chuck it around the other two like a vortex.  But by doing this you would leave the two remaining diabolos in a sprinkler and the third diabolo (which you originally frontwrapped) on the open string to the right (or left for lefties).  And then unwrap the sprinkler and try go back into a shuffle.

4 exits i can think of now are:

1) Wrap the third diabolo which was on open string and then release sprinkler and enter 3d again like a wrap/hover start.
2) Armstall third diabolo and exit sprinkler with a wrapped diabolo goin into an armstall on the other side (not sure whether you could get into an armstall that would work though) then go back to 3d shuffle.
3) Pop the diabolo up which was on open string and exit sprinkler while its in the air then catch third diab and carry on shuffle.
4) Probably the madest i've thought of so far.  Wrap/knot/armstall the diabolo on open string then let go of left stick (right stick for lefties) and suicide out of the sprinkler.  Continue shuffle like you would normally do from a wrap/knot/armstall.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Nahxela on June 06, 2007, 11:27:38 PM
You wouldn't need to do 3D to be able to Start like that. I've managed to do a 2-up start into three low and get like 5 OTT. And I didn't have to be able to shuffle to do it.
But I can't even catch the diabolos as they land :(, it's the same for me when trying to do a toss-start into 2d, as I can't really get myself to catch it (I wrap start), which is wierd, since I can do 2d high...
I think I need to have the diabolos relatively well-powered up, otherwise I can't really go into multiple diaboloing.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: seán_ on June 07, 2007, 12:24:11 AM
I've just thought of a trick which will be hard but i think possible.  It's almost like Zachs 3d vortex he was trying awhile back.

First you would right frontwrap a diabolo as it came round in the shuffle and chuck it around the other two like a vortex.  But by doing this you would leave the two remaining diabolos in a sprinkler and the third diabolo (which you originally frontwrapped) on the open string to the right (or left for lefties).  And then unwrap the sprinkler and try go back into a shuffle.

4 exits i can think of now are:

1) Wrap the third diabolo which was on open string and then release sprinkler and enter 3d again like a wrap/hover start.
2) Armstall third diabolo and exit sprinkler with a wrapped diabolo goin into an armstall on the other side (not sure whether you could get into an armstall that would work though) then go back to 3d shuffle.
3) Pop the diabolo up which was on open string and exit sprinkler while its in the air then catch third diab and carry on shuffle.
4) Probably the madest i've thought of so far.  Wrap/knot/armstall the diabolo on open string then let go of left stick (right stick for lefties) and suicide out of the sprinkler.  Continue shuffle like you would normally do from a wrap/knot/armstall.

I tried to get Zack to try some stuff like this back before when he started getting into tricks with 3, dunno if he gave it much thought though.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Alex! on June 07, 2007, 06:26:02 PM
Has anyone tried a 3d big sun? could be quite easy and simple compared to other 3d stuff
Or if you have really long string, a 3d magic knot
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: seán_ on June 07, 2007, 06:38:16 PM
William does 3d big suns
Title: 3D Fan, Possible?
Post by: yonm13 on December 04, 2007, 09:26:13 PM
look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu4F9-O_EXM&feature=related
at like 6:20, this guy does some 3D cfan.. has anyone tried/succeeded on doing this?
it looks kinda cool...
i'd like to hear what you have to say =] ;D
Title: Re: 3D Fan, Possible?
Post by: pranay on December 04, 2007, 09:29:57 PM
Yes sometimes I can do tripple fans.Doubles are quite solid.
Title: Re: 3D Fan, Possible?
Post by: Ben. on December 04, 2007, 09:34:54 PM
i don't think it would be possible (lets not go into the technicalities of what a fan is please, i'm talking about an ac fan like a 2d one).

for it to work the middle diabolo would have to be wrapped, and that would be really hard to control, would it increase or decrease in speed? not sure but would definitely be hard to control. Also entering and exiting would be hard.

i don't see the point in an s-fan with three because exiting would be extremely hard and tbh no one is going to be able to maintain the fan for a long time allowing for the 'speeding both diabolos up' to have any effect.

those are my thoughts, but i maybe i am wrong.
Title: Re: 3D Fan, Possible?
Post by: yeah! on December 04, 2007, 09:48:25 PM
well i guess technically it is possible, but you would have to move the sticks synchronically, and form some kind of waves in the string. Well, but what do i know, i'm currently learning the classic 2d fan. Just wanted to make shure the physics, to keep it going al longer time both hands would have to make the same moves...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on December 04, 2007, 10:04:13 PM
This is the third topic I've had to merge today. Please search, see if there's a thread that's related to you topic and post in that thread if it exists. If it doesn't, then you should have a think if creating a new thread is worth it.
This thread is the perfect place to talk about potential 3d fans, and has even been discussed earlier in it.

-Duncan
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: garner on December 04, 2007, 10:26:09 PM
 have some imagination ben ofcourse its hard but that'll make it worth doing even more...and i think if you exit a 3d fan with the middle wrapped then you'll end up throwing the right one up and doing a vortex with other 2 which leads directly into thoughts about feeding 3D AC-fans and anti shuffle that starts with power behind it.

ahead of myself...maybe. but i'm just saying that nothing is impossible (thanks to horrible statistitions)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: yitavd on December 05, 2007, 02:12:15 PM
take a look at this votw from dekel for 3 diabolo mini-columns:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=816TSO8t0w8
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sharpes on December 05, 2007, 04:05:10 PM
he's done nine since then in another video.

On 3d fans, I've gotten 3 before, but I can only do them well when the diabolos really aren't going fast, other wise they move up the string too much because the string is naturally somewhat tight around them, unlike in a two diabolo fan. I've tried to do four and five but it falls apart (for me at least) the idea of having both hands move at the same is interesting... I think for any fan to work, the current method would not be able to produce more than say four, maybe five.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2007, 04:18:17 PM
Yea, i've nailed the triple before, not solid by any means, and i find it easier with low spin too. Any anticlockwse fan is possible as far as i can see, just very very hard. (any 2d trick applied to 3d for that matter). I think the best way i've seen was probably Williams method of vortexing; sun to armstall, trapeze on on the left and swing out into anti clockwise fan.
 But seriously, open your minds a bit. Fans would be nice but theres a great deal more i'd rather see/learn. Such as, sprinkler to knot exit, which i managed the other day...just.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on December 05, 2007, 04:27:39 PM
I'd like to see if more sprinkler entries are possible. Probably a right backwrap is possible, if you have lots of speed and try not to hold it very long. A right hand front entry would probably be deadly but oh so cool.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Ben. on December 05, 2007, 04:32:19 PM
i personally dont think that 3d sprinklers are very good because you cant hold them for long, and they basically look like a sun. im not saying that they are rubbish im just saying that i dont think that there are many possibilities.

but hey, i cant even do three diabolos.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Pete on December 05, 2007, 04:43:45 PM
Quote from: Ben
because you cant hold them for long,

Oh yes you can.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on December 05, 2007, 04:45:59 PM
There's watching them and then there's "holy crap I'm almost doing it!". At that point, who cares what they look like ;) Just have fun messing with possibilities and stop worrying about how it looks or how long it's going to go on if you're not going to perform them.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Ben. on December 05, 2007, 04:48:57 PM
how long? it seems to me like they would collide because the string would be a lot tighter, do you mean by pumping it? its like when your doing a two diabolo shuffle the diabolos practically shuffle themselves whereas with three you have to drive them, could be similar with three diabolo sprinklers?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Dennis on December 05, 2007, 05:26:56 PM
3d Mini Colums are very awesome, too! ;)

Malte(Diabolo Klon) did it in Hannover at the 3rd Diabolocamp and it was just awesome!
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on December 06, 2007, 06:01:32 PM
I'd like to see if more sprinkler entries are possible. Probably a right backwrap is possible, if you have lots of speed and try not to hold it very long. A right hand front entry would probably be deadly but oh so cool.
On something similar, I saw Eltharion do a 2d sprinkler from a sun (like pete's wrap exit except he managed to wrap two instead). And don't think he has it consitant ... bloody amazing trick though
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Pete on December 06, 2007, 06:36:44 PM
I've done the same, but only by accident, and its a little awkard to get out of.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on December 06, 2007, 09:27:48 PM
The exit I've seen is throwing the unwrap diabolo a bit higher and unwraping the sprinkler with the right hand. But I guess you're right, I mean, the all trick did seem odd when I saw it  :P
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Squiggle on December 06, 2007, 10:23:48 PM
Can't wait to have 3 lowrunning.


To many string control *ideas*

that probbly won't work..but  meh
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on December 07, 2007, 09:59:50 AM
No chance with your string. :)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on December 08, 2007, 01:44:56 AM
On something similar, I saw Eltharion do a 2d sprinkler from a sun (like pete's wrap exit except he managed to wrap two instead). And don't think he has it consitant ... bloody amazing trick though
I can do this, I can  do a fts...."s" being sprinkler.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on December 08, 2007, 10:03:56 AM
Anyone who has pulled a left sprinkler with an unwrap into an armstall? I´m somewhat close but haven´t done it yet myself.

I keep thinking that the normal armstall has so many more possibilities than just the obvious ones. Darkside and suicidestuff and things of that sort.
Maybe a double handstall into a double slowcide back into the handstall. Or pop the middle diab really high and do something with 2D below since you can exit it so quickly. Or maybe simply stepping over it and try 3 BTB? Or maybe tie them into eachother for a 3D duicide (Maybe not easy with fixed axles but I imagine it could work with bearings).

So many ideas but far too little skill :'(.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: LaNgErZ on December 08, 2007, 12:12:32 PM
mills mess with stick grinds,

lz
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on December 08, 2007, 06:02:07 PM
I can do this, I can  do a fts...."s" being sprinkler.
Ehm ... we're talking 3diabolos here, I thought you didn't even have your shuffle down ?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on December 13, 2007, 06:47:26 PM
Probably along the lines of what Jake. is thinking of, but I really really want to see a 3d sun to mini-columns. I tried it out today just to see if the popups were even possible. Even though I don't have minis anywhere near workable, I don't think this is impossible.

-Duncan
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: pranay on December 13, 2007, 08:24:21 PM
What about fan 360?
I started practicing it a tiny bit ::)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: nev on December 13, 2007, 08:33:24 PM
What about fan 360?
I started practicing it a tiny bit ::)

Damn you - now I do have to learn 3d after all
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: pranay on December 13, 2007, 09:47:38 PM
Damn you - now I do have to learn 3d after all
Why?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on December 14, 2007, 03:36:13 PM
Probably along the lines of what Jake. is thinking of, but I really really want to see a 3d sun to mini-columns. I tried it out today just to see if the popups were even possible. Even though I don't have minis anywhere near workable, I don't think this is impossible.

-Duncan
I think Quentin (Katroi) has done this. Or perhaps it's mini-columns to sun.
I'll ask him as soon as I get my messenger working again :/
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Squiggle on December 15, 2007, 03:25:46 AM
Probably along the lines of what Jake. is thinking of, but I really really want to see a 3d sun to mini-columns. I tried it out today just to see if the popups were even possible. Even though I don't have minis anywhere near workable, I don't think this is impossible.

-Duncan
Yep. =D Stuff like that.

Just most patterns people do with 2.

Some tricks I'd like to try when I get around to 3low. 

1 up sun to mini columns
Wrap start - Unwrap diabolo and pop straight up for beat or two and catch back into 3 low.

etc.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sharpes on December 15, 2007, 08:34:41 AM
is that quentin as in quentin bancel? or is katroi his last name.

that guy was sick, hope he still does it. (or I hope he doesn't, cus he'd be off the charts right now)

anyways, I think minicolumns into a sun is much more likely than sun to minicolumns
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Jussi on December 15, 2007, 12:55:14 PM
anyways, I think minicolumns into a sun is much more likely than sun to minicolumns

yeah.. after sun diabolos have too much speed to put all 3 to colums.. and they are too close each other..

but there is so much stuff that can be done with 3d column - colums to cascade to suffle, colums to pingpong stuff, colums to box or from box to colums, stickgrind in 3d colums (not very difficult?), 42 colums, 522 colums, 5511 colums (2 higher, sun and back to colums or suffle) 

i can go to colums pretty solid and keep it at little while, but coming out is just matter of luck.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: seán_ on December 15, 2007, 03:38:45 PM
on the string control and antishuffle trip I have been picturing a 3 low snake recently. I'd really like to see that done.
Oh and while we are at it extended box
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on December 15, 2007, 06:20:41 PM
is that quentin as in quentin bancel? or is katroi his last name.
No, he's a not very known french diabolist from Avignon. Katroi is his pseudonyme.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: nev on December 16, 2007, 12:01:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_1R-2Hz2Zo

This is Katroi - though its quote an old video now so I guess he's now much better ( & I've seen other videos of Quentin with crazy tricks with 3 in) - but Eltharion has a much nicer shuffle IMHO

ps - how about 3d slacks anyone?

Why?

Because fans are my personal diabolo kicks and the thought of being able to do 3d 360 fans is inspiring.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on January 13, 2008, 02:02:57 PM
Nev in the future - Infinite 3d fan.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 13, 2008, 07:17:03 PM
an idea in the field of 3d fans, I've Always had these ideas, but thought them to be universal. An s-fan with one diabolo wrapped in the middle.
A rocket start fan, or both combined.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 15, 2008, 02:32:59 AM
Feed the fan ;)... it's possible. 522 sun to double sun.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2008, 04:21:58 AM
3D mini-gen.

That is all,
Dan
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ~james~ on January 16, 2008, 10:05:06 AM
ok my idea is a grind cascade. You would grind 2 diabolos on one stick and 1 on the other then proceed to do a cascade juggling pattern :D... well the post is "crazy ideas" xD.
Obviously this would be best with something like wide axle flys.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on January 16, 2008, 10:16:04 AM
3D mini-gen.

That is all,
Dan
I got close to this one several times, it's definetly doable
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 16, 2008, 11:47:19 AM
Duicide.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: willum89 on January 16, 2008, 04:02:35 PM
3d vertax mini gen, while sky-diving!!
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: robbie322 on January 16, 2008, 05:12:33 PM
ok my idea is a grind cascade. You would grind 2 diabolos on one stick and 1 on the other then proceed to do a cascade juggling pattern :D... well the post is "crazy ideas" xD.
Obviously this would be best with something like wide axle flys.

that sounds amazing. i know its crazy but also realistic i think.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on January 17, 2008, 03:52:06 AM
for 2d on one stick, you'd need either huge sticks, or micro diabolo's, and amazing balance.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: looby on January 17, 2008, 06:45:59 AM
for 2d on one stick, you'd need either huge sticks, or micro diabolo's, and amazing balance.


Perfectly doable you just need my sticks.  I'm thinking catch two in a left and right trapeze with the third on open string.  Try and send the third diabolo up to head height, unwrap the trapezes into a 2d shuffle and hopefully keep it going when the third drops in.  I can't see why it couldn't happen, get to it!

Oh and a 3d floaty grind would be epic
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on January 17, 2008, 07:42:23 AM
EPIC?! EPIC?! DO IT NOW.

PS: What the hell is a floaty grind..?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Pete on January 17, 2008, 01:57:15 PM
Quote from: Diabolo Bro
Feed the fan

Been done. Dekel did it in a video ages ago. Its the last trick in his feed the suns vid.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: seán_ on January 17, 2008, 05:22:18 PM
Extended box, snake (I'm not going to ask again)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on January 22, 2008, 01:08:58 PM
3d in one hand, and infinite 3D anti-sprinkler.
That'd be crazy.  ;D
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: TomerB on January 22, 2008, 01:36:38 PM
3d in one hand

Zack has done 12 Otts in one hand. Trash also had a nice try of it.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sharpes on January 22, 2008, 01:38:28 PM
i think he's done more than that...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toby on January 22, 2008, 04:17:10 PM
how about, pop one up fairly high, do a sprinkler with the other two, suicide out as the third comes back down, back into a shuffle.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on January 29, 2008, 11:38:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz8CNvZeKG8

People may have seen this already. It's something I'd been trying to think through, and there it is. Simple!

Anyone fancy trying something weird with that?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on January 29, 2008, 01:01:53 PM
I am definitely going to try that.
That looks a lot easier then wrap or throw starts(At least for me)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: seán_ on January 29, 2008, 05:26:07 PM
Not with my knees and back :)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Ben. on January 29, 2008, 05:38:58 PM
i can't do three yet but i have had flukes sometimes. i am just trying to shuffle and i accidentally grind one diabolo for a second and it gets pushed in front of the coming diabolo so they change places. it was a fluke for me but i think that people maybe able to get it consistent? it is a trick that people may actually be able to do as opposed to an infinite 3d anti sprinkler.

don't know if that explanation was any good but do you get the general idea?

Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on January 29, 2008, 10:24:25 PM
3d infinite anti-sprinkler is quite possible.
It'd basically be doing a anti-sprinkler powered with a 3d anti-shuffle.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Squiggle on January 29, 2008, 11:23:46 PM
3d infinite anti-sprinkler is quite possible.
It'd basically be doing a anti-sprinkler powered with a 3d anti-shuffle.
Why is anti-sprinkler easier?

Some more stuff I can't wait to work on;

Switching from 3low antishuffle - normal shuffle every 3 ott. 
3d eiffel web (Similar to the 2d ones out there)
3d double cat in the cradle. (One on bottom, one in middle, one on top.) not sure how well it would work.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 29, 2008, 11:59:59 PM
i think he's done more than that...
I heard the same, I think it might have been insane.... was it 60, I'll go look. I wouldn't be surprised if its this but I don't know for sure.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on February 02, 2008, 05:07:47 PM
Been done. Dekel did it in a video ages ago. Its the last trick in his feed the suns vid.
I've seen the video, I don't mean 2-3-3, I mean 2-2-3-3....or more. Also a feed the suicide...as in 2-3 each being a suicide.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on February 03, 2008, 12:15:34 AM
Josh mentioned feed the suicide 2-3. I'd like to hear from him on that.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on February 03, 2008, 12:27:08 AM
I think he means the typically described, sun with two to suicide with three, but who knows.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on February 03, 2008, 02:20:05 AM
He said "Feed the suicide."
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on February 03, 2008, 01:45:13 PM
He said "Feed the suicide."
So does Kaspar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VOEkGbD_yc
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on February 03, 2008, 05:11:32 PM
how about, pop one up fairly high, do a sprinkler with the other two, suicide out as the third comes back down, back into a shuffle.
I got the sprinkler and suicide, but shuffling after is hard, and a lot of the time, the stick hits the diabolo.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Beni on February 03, 2008, 05:25:31 PM
I got the sprinkler and suicide, but shuffling after is hard, and a lot of the time, the stick hits the diabolo.

This is essentially a 6[222]*, so if you practice 6222 with the 2's as normal throws first, you should get it. Or do 72222 to give you more time.

Beni

*Square brackets signify sprinkler (i.e. you can't change their values cos they're sort of bound together) — it is not simultaneous like in juggling siteswap.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on February 03, 2008, 05:50:19 PM
I think its possible with a five, you don't hold the sprinkler for long od the suicide is slower.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Beni on February 03, 2008, 06:07:19 PM
5[22] would simply be a suicide, 'cause you'd let go of the right hand stick just as you finish wrapping with the left.

What about 5[22][333]5[22]6[22]61[22][333] (fts 2-3-2-2-1-2-3) or if you can unfeed with a 6 throw from a 3d sun then 5[22][333]6[22]61[22][333] (fts 2-3-2-1-2-3) or even [333]6[22]61[22][333] (fts 3-2-1-2-3) or even continuos 6[22]61[22]* (fts 2-1-2 with 3d)... with all the suns as suicides?

Beni
(Has been playing around with DSSS)

*This one looks nice with a high siteswap as well.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Kingsid3 on February 03, 2008, 07:54:38 PM
3D infinite suicide( i can't do a 1d one tho lol)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sharpes on February 03, 2008, 09:13:56 PM
72222 would be ridiculous with regular twos...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on February 03, 2008, 10:41:18 PM
A transfer into sprinkler. I have one in mind but weird to explain. Also the sprinkler would barely have any momentum so you'd have to go for the raw power approach.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on February 04, 2008, 12:07:45 AM
sun to vortex, I kind of got something, but no clean finish, just an unwrap and 3 drops....yes, three.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Beni on February 04, 2008, 11:00:38 PM
3 drops, thrice the fun! (for the audience)

3d tongue and toe stall. DO IT!

Beni
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2008, 09:51:52 AM
3d tongue and toe stall. DO IT!

Beni
Or the other quite obvious place which has been discussed before i think  ;)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on February 05, 2008, 01:08:20 PM
3d tongue and toe stall. DO IT!
I did.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on February 05, 2008, 01:38:06 PM
Front to back sun  :P
Edit: As anyone done a suicide exit from a leg orbit ? It's a classic with 1d and 2d but I've never seen it attempted with 3d. Though since there will be always a diab over the leg maybe we need to do a few otts under the leg before doing it ?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Pete on February 05, 2008, 06:46:14 PM
Quote from: William
A transfer into sprinkler

I've managed to get into a sprinkler like this but it collapsed pretty much straight away. Perhaps if you had ALOT of spin it could work, but as you say theres no momentum on the other two, or very little.

I've sucessfully transferred out of a sprinkler a few times and exited with a knot. Again it takes a fair bit of spin. But you have to be carfeul how you come out as you can either transfer the sprinkler onto 2 of the three and be left with a 2d sprinkler and a free diab or transfer onto one.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on February 06, 2008, 01:05:58 AM
This Pete, is why we need a video from you..
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: tommi on February 22, 2008, 09:08:09 PM
Ok, here's on at you 3d maniacs. Umbrella with three, basically do it like you do it with two, having one unwrapped/unstalled diab in the middle.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on February 22, 2008, 10:56:21 PM
I think the umbrella sounds totally doable. And I just can up with an idea. I'll try it and see how I go.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on February 23, 2008, 02:53:26 AM
i had a go at a duicide, seems possible as well.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on February 23, 2008, 11:47:49 AM
Something "umbrella-ish" would be easy with bearings (or without possibly) and double handstall perhaps?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on February 23, 2008, 01:18:52 PM
Something "umbrella-ish" would be easy with bearings (or without possibly) and double handstall perhaps?

That was my thought as well. It might not look like a proper umbrella (if there is such a thing), but it might be doable.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sharpes on February 23, 2008, 03:48:09 PM
hmm, the double handstall is definitely a good idea, it'd make it much easier to get in and out of it.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on February 23, 2008, 04:27:37 PM
Fts 3-1-3.
Sort of like a 3d minicolumn release during a sun would be awesome.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Beni on February 24, 2008, 09:41:17 AM
Like multiplex? Awesome concept, don't know wether the string tension would allow it in practice, although I think it might with the right motion. Probably 3-1-2-3 would be easier.

Beni
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on February 24, 2008, 10:01:16 AM
1-3 sounds more doable than 3-1
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on February 24, 2008, 05:12:29 PM
72222 with regular twos, hmm I got pretty close. I hit a gym ceiling yesterday, probably 30-ish feet, just make your shuffle a bit higher, i could get four in pretty easily, but the throw takes a lot of power
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on February 25, 2008, 04:24:43 AM
1-3 sounds more doable than 3-1

I disagree. I mananed to pop two diabolos out [multiplex style] after a sun. Catching will be difficult though.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sharpes on February 25, 2008, 03:19:07 PM
I guess if you make a bigger shuffle you can just cheat it like a high throw, good point
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on February 26, 2008, 04:28:13 AM
I guess if you make a bigger shuffle you can just cheat it like a high throw, good point

Now who has a big shuffle to try that..
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on February 26, 2008, 10:52:49 AM
Now who has a big shuffle to try that..
;D

I tried yesterday, and you're right 3-1 is easier, I nailed it a couple of times (with the cheating technique ^^) but it didn't really look like a 3-1, it was more like 3*441*. The real one where 2diabs unfeed at the same time sounds doable but I don't think I'll have the level to do that ... nor the 1-3
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on February 26, 2008, 01:17:03 PM
it was more like 3*441*
3*5511*  ???
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Conor on February 26, 2008, 02:23:52 PM
Wrap one diabolo, transfer around both the others to a 2d sprinkler and use a stall or isolation for the other diabolo.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on February 27, 2008, 01:45:10 PM
3*5511*  ???
I'm not very familiar with low notations, a 1d sun is 11 ? Then yes
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ERIK da blue on February 29, 2008, 06:10:31 PM
has anyone ever tried leg satalite and then a box around the leg
that would look awesome!!!
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on February 29, 2008, 10:47:31 PM
I think it'd be easier to do a box then put your leg in the middle.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Dan on March 01, 2008, 03:51:53 AM
This: [youtube=425,425]dxzEq9vo2cA&NR=1

Just beautiful.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Nahxela on March 01, 2008, 04:54:07 AM
And old :P

@William: Regardless of what's easier, starting from an orbit into the box would certainly look more classy than just putting your leg through once the trick has started.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ERIK da blue on March 01, 2008, 05:14:26 PM
as that video was up, it made me think: what about a 3D ping-pong trick
do those bounces but continuously instead of doing an anti shuffle in between

janion
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on March 01, 2008, 07:46:56 PM
or 522 with the 22 in ping pong
edit: got it  :P
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: martijn on March 01, 2008, 08:34:59 PM
That brings me to the idea of arches with 3 diabs :) Anyone up for it?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Nahxela on March 01, 2008, 09:02:33 PM
as that video was up, it made me think: what about a 3D ping-pong trick
do those bounces but continuously instead of doing an anti shuffle in between

janion
Ooo, that'd be pretty sweet, but pretty hard, since the changing momentum would probably be too great to be able to switch back and forth constantly...
That brings me to the idea of arches with 3 diabs :) Anyone up for it?
Do you mean like a cascade, as opposed to a shuffle?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on March 01, 2008, 10:52:15 PM
I think John?, nope David tried a cascade, I've been working on it, really hard.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Eric Moffett on March 01, 2008, 11:01:35 PM
I think john? tried a cascade, I've been working on it, really hard.

when don't you work on something hard?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sharpes on March 01, 2008, 11:35:37 PM
arches is a three ball trick where you either throw over, over, under continuously, or over, under, under.
the three balls each occupy an arch in space that isn't crossed by other balls. that's what continuously switching between regular shuffle and anti-shuffle could look like.

jI've worked on a cascade a little, gotten like 5 or so throws. the throws just start to get flatter and flatter as it progresses though. haven't worked too seriously on it though
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on March 02, 2008, 02:44:45 AM
when don't you work on something hard?
Christmas-Wait....nevermind.

Cascade, I think I've managed a weak four, I haven't worked on it recently.

Arches, was unfamiliar, that would be interesting. hmmmm.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: LaNgErZ on March 02, 2008, 10:27:31 AM
mills mess with stick grinds,

lz

i'll say it again, someone claim it.

lz
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on March 02, 2008, 10:32:42 AM
Would already be happy with a cascade with stick grinds ...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on March 02, 2008, 01:12:20 PM
or 522 with the 22 in ping pong
edit: got it  :P
Baptiste did minicolumns in 04

http://diabolo-vsetin-video.ic.cz/3d_cascade.mov         
Heres 6 throws of a cascade by David from like 05
the throws just start to get flatter and flatter as it progresses though
Same problem
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: tipiphil on March 02, 2008, 01:39:00 PM
Ping pong is different from mini columns.  I'd imagine 1 ping ponging(?) over the other two shuffling below.


I think John?, nope David tried a cascade, I've been working on it, really hard.


Cascade, I think I've managed a weak four, I haven't worked on it recently.


Either you are or you aren't... Make your mind up!!  ;)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on March 02, 2008, 02:22:58 PM
Ping pong is different from mini columns.  I'd imagine 1 ping ponging(?) over the other two shuffling below.
He said 522, In otherwords, a high throw, then ping pong with the two left. Crackers then said he landed, it which I must say is pretty darn impressive, then I remembered baptiste had landed a similar trick, 522 with mini columns, this trick is very similar. I apologize, my post is confusing, I forgot to say minicolumns with 22 from 522.
Either you are or you aren't... Make your mind up!!  ;)
In the past week or two I haven't worked on it, But I have worked on it really hard. Sorry about the mixup, the "been" threw that sentence out of the past tense.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on March 02, 2008, 03:17:55 PM
Actually I didn't land the exact trick. It wasn't a high throw then a ping pong in both directions with 2 underneath. It was a medium throw (more like a 4), then I threw the diab on the right over the left. The second pingpong movement was while re-entering the shuffle. Dunno if you see what I mean ?
For the other pingpong, I don't think a 5 would be enough, it's prolly 6222

Edit : to help explain, it's a bit like the passing sean and duncan did in the collab video.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on March 02, 2008, 04:49:24 PM
yeah I see what your talking about, either way , you NEED TO MAKE A VIDEO. Come on it's well overdue.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on March 02, 2008, 06:03:38 PM
I'm currently doing some filming, I can't promise this particular trick will be in it tough, it's faaaaar from beeing consitant  ;D

On the topic, 3d string stall seems possible, I tried but I'm useless at keeping 2 diabs runing on 3d tricks. Maybe zack could have a try ?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Beni on March 03, 2008, 05:44:16 PM
£d stringstalls should be perfectly doable. *Just* do a double armstall like William just about does in his video, then let them go so there is a sun knot on each of them. Should work if both stalls start out as frontwraps but are unwrapped as backwraps, if you get what I mean...

The exit would prove slightly more difficult...  ::)

Beni
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on March 03, 2008, 05:46:47 PM
I was thinking of something easier, from a hover start, unwrap the knot by the front. Then you have the sun, you rewrap it by the front and do the wrap start.
Your idea would be cooler though ^^
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on April 06, 2008, 06:59:40 PM
I´ve been experimenting with the box lately and have two new ideas. First is extended box. Just involves one round of reverse shuffle and doesn´t seem too difficult. Might be a good alternative to the reverse shuffle-entry done by that japanese guy, which seems way harder.

Second one, I was thinking of a "double" box with 2D minicolumns. So from the left initiating throw, you make it a little bit higher and do one round of minicolumns and back into box. So it would be left high throw-ease the right-right,left-hard right and reverse. Might be possible to combine it with ping pong too instead of just columns. Not sure about what the siteswap would be. Probably this would all be easier with light diabolos like Taibolos or Finesse.

Also, thinking about a double grind, launch the right, slackwhip the one in the string and catch the thrown on the stick again or on top of the cradle. Would be difficult to exit though perhaps.

Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ERIK da blue on July 04, 2008, 07:50:00 PM
i was thinking a kind of minicollumns 522
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on July 04, 2008, 08:12:08 PM
i was thinking a kind of minicollumns 522

Something like what Baptiste does in this video (http://www.juggletube.com/video/543/wjf-2004) around 57 seconds?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: looby on December 10, 2008, 12:29:59 AM
I have a challenge for any 3d enthusiasts out there.  If anyone accomplishes this you, you will have successfully accomplished quite possibly the single most difficult 3d sequence ever (in my opinion).  I'll break it down as simply as possible:

- Start from a 3 diabolo shuffle.

- Pop one diabolo into a dominant hand stick grind and keep the other two shuffling.

- Do a right-hand backwrap sprinkler (for a righty) with the two that are shuffling.

- Pop the grinding the diabolo as high as possible.

- Do a standard suicide release to exit the sprinkler.

- Catch the suicide just in time for the previously grinding diabolo to return to the shuffle.

NOTE*  This exact trick was talked about a while ago now, and if my memory serves me correctly, someone put this same trick to Zack when he released the first video of his 3d vortex.  I still don't think anyone has managed the above trick (but Duncan has since told me he'll be attempting it tomorrow).

I then thought of an extension to the above trick which although unbelievably difficult should in theory work.

- After the suicide release, instead of catching the suicide, let the suicide backside the falling diabolo that was previously grinding and THEN grab the handstick with the diabolo in a backside stall (i.e set up for a mini gen).

- I guess a magic knot would be the easiest entry back into the shuffle.

So there you go.  That simply put is what I would consider the most insane trick I'd ever see caught on camera. 

Until then I'll make do with a 4 low 7333.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on December 10, 2008, 04:12:16 PM
- After the suicide release, instead of catching the suicide, let the suicide backside the falling diabolo that was previously grinding and THEN grab the handstick with the diabolo in a backside stall (i.e set up for a mini gen).
I can't even imagine doing this with 2d  :P

I'll try the first one though.

PS: I may have notified this topic, if so, sorry
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: S@RuMaN on December 10, 2008, 04:34:03 PM

What!!?? How does he do a 3 diabolo fan!? :shock:

the double sun baptiste do is actually a fan because there isn't any "diabolo switch" between the two sun!

it's a clockwise fan with  3 diabolos!


And what about that thing everybody did when they were first practicing 3 diabs: 1 diab is going up an down , bouncing on the string, while the two others are spinning around it like in a two diabs shuffle.

can anybody do it in purpose?
hmmmm....i have many ideas of doing a 3 diabolos fans....3 suns in a row aren't the thing i want to see......i want to see a real fan...i'll do an animated video of my ideas :-)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on December 10, 2008, 07:52:18 PM
PS: I may have notified this topic, if so, sorry
Thought the notify button was to report an abuse, my bad  :-X
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Hathaway on December 11, 2008, 10:02:52 AM
A 3d version of Jacob's 2d gen...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ERIK da blue on December 11, 2008, 08:51:04 PM
Something like what Baptiste does in this video (http://www.juggletube.com/video/543/wjf-2004) around 57 seconds?

no i meant like 3 diabolo mini columns, bounce the middle one high and do 2 bounces with the two remaining diabolos, then return to 3D mini
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on December 13, 2008, 11:06:08 PM
I want to see...3D handstall, letting go of both sticks wrapping them around the diabolos and catch the strings on both sides, swinging (normal) into that 2A yoyotrick where the yoyos ties into eachother and out (airwraps?).

^Obviously with bearings. Long string + short sticks probably a requirement too.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Ben. on December 13, 2008, 11:25:50 PM
surely that wold be a 2d trick not 3d?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Kingsid3 on December 14, 2008, 07:55:20 PM
A 3D Mills Mess would be nice to see. Also 2up-1up would looks awsome!
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Ben. on December 14, 2008, 08:12:01 PM
A 3D Mills Mess would be nice to see. Also 2up-1up would looks awsome!
2up 1up is just 3d mini columns. i doubt that you could do it sync because you can't do mini columns in sync.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on December 14, 2008, 10:50:42 PM
I can bounce 2 up and down synchronously, so its possible?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on December 15, 2008, 12:10:39 AM
Quote
surely that wold be a 2d trick not 3d?

No, third diabolo would be at the bottom of the string. Well, it would in my dreams at least :P. 2D-version would probably be almost equally cool (I think this thread needs a 2D-bearingversion or is 2D not crazy enough?).

Quote
3D Mills Mess would be nice to see. Also 2up-1up would looks awsome

maybe starting from normal 3D-columns delay one throw a little bit and then toss two crossed simultaneously at different heights?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Ben. on December 15, 2008, 07:47:17 AM
I can bounce 2 up and down synchronously, so its possible?
i don't think synchronous mini columns is possible. think about the physics?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on December 15, 2008, 12:34:24 PM
Maybe with some knots around the 2 diabs on the side.
Like this : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=mibuG86iR-8 (http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=mibuG86iR-8) 1:02

Sorry ....

maybe starting from normal 3D-columns delay one throw a little bit and then toss two crossed simultaneously at different heights?
Flucked that a couple of times  :P
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sean on December 15, 2008, 09:57:45 PM
Oh. My. When, oh, when will that video die?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Ben. on December 15, 2008, 10:08:57 PM
Oh. My. When, oh, when will that video die?
what? this one?

Owned by moderation :)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: omeras828 on December 20, 2008, 04:48:02 PM
3 diabolo 42 over the leg
i will glad to see someone do it
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on December 20, 2008, 05:23:08 PM
3 diabolo 42 over the leg
i will glad to see someone do it

I know Zack and I have tried this one in the past. I've almost gotten it a few times, but struggle bringing the first "3" throw back over my leg which has kept me from really completing it. Maybe I'll work harder on it.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on December 20, 2008, 05:26:49 PM
I know Zack and I have tried this one in the past. I've almost gotten it a few times, but struggle bringing the first "3" throw back over my leg which has kept me from really completing it. Maybe I'll work harder on it.
Didnt Zack say that Jacob Sharpe did it at BJC?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on December 20, 2008, 05:33:43 PM
Didnt Zack say that Jacob Sharpe did it at BJC?

Video or it didn't happen ;). It's not really a new trick idea, so I was just remembering who I've seen try it in the past.

And where did Zack say this?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on December 20, 2008, 06:03:14 PM
And where did Zack say this?


Seeing Jacob sharps pull off every trick i told him to try, including 42 around leg, and arm, and feed the big sun. Also some cool passing involving the balcony.
Pulling off a number a 3d vortex's with clean runs after, doing 2 in a row on my first two attempts, although i haven't worked on it.
3d racing up stairs
The main show, highlights including sharps and the Japanese guy!!
Byjoty best trick, were a got a little trophy.


Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: barnesy on December 20, 2008, 08:04:23 PM
My understanding of that was that Zack talked about Jacob in the first line then about himself.  But I missed that much talked of sesh in the traders section so can't be sure.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on December 21, 2008, 02:32:51 AM
Feed the big sun? Really cool it sounds like, never even thought of it. Sorry to switch from talking about the leg 42 but this sounded "crazier" in my ears ;). Video of any of it?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: fasilevi on December 22, 2008, 12:25:38 AM
Feed the big sun? Really cool it sounds like, never even thought of it. Sorry to switch from talking about the leg 42 but this sounded "crazier" in my ears ;). Video of any of it?


i think jacob landed it  :o
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on December 22, 2008, 03:18:40 PM


i think jacob landed it  :o
dude go back a page, hes talking about something i quoted, about jacob landing the ftbig sun lol
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Matyz on December 26, 2008, 04:18:43 PM
Do that trick with 2 diabolos wen you string is like this ____-_______-____ and the 2 diabolos are at the -. Do a ping pong over this and you have a ping pog with 3 diabolo.

My english is not good that is wie i did he_- thing.


mayby a fan would by good and a excalibur eaven beather let my not eaven talk about genocides!!!!!
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: hedi on December 26, 2008, 11:10:41 PM
i saw this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCVmdRx2IAE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCVmdRx2IAE)
and i tried this trick[0:36] with 2d
it isn't really difficult, but looks quite oke. With mini collums its a little bit more difficult if you do it with left and right[arround things], but with 3d its really difficult. and with 3d kaskade[i can't even do this trick] it can't imagine, how difficult it is. it's maybe something for Dekel, but this trick fits not really in his style. So a chinese/taiwanese/Japenes have to learn because I think this trick would really fit in those styles and would look cool.

hedi
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: lupii on December 27, 2008, 05:13:43 PM
How about a 3D suicide start? Do a double sprinkler with 2D release the stick, throw the third one up catch the stick and start playing. That would look cool!
I don't really know how to call it but i thought of fts321123.
But I don't know if that's possible.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: fasilevi on December 28, 2008, 01:20:19 AM
dude go back a page, hes talking about something i quoted, about jacob landing the ftbig sun lol

yea but i told you ¬¬
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: seán_ on December 28, 2008, 01:51:02 AM
How about a 3D suicide start? Do a double sprinkler with 2D release the stick, throm the third one up catch the stick and start playing. That would look cool!

Landed it years ago. but with my crap level of 3d it isn't something that I have ever found worth working on properly.
(plus it's well fast and requires me to hold the third diabolo in my teeth  :( )
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on December 28, 2008, 03:16:23 AM
How about a 3D suicide start? Do a double sprinkler with 2D release the stick, throm the third one up catch the stick and start playing. That would look cool!
I don't really know how to call it but i thought of fts321123.
But I don't know if that's possible.
Elthiarion....(I Cant Spelll...rrrrg!) did a start like that, just thought about that again earlier today.

jacob did 2-3-2-1-2-3-2

it's not a 1-1, but its still cool.


Also the trick where you bring the string around the diabolo is very possible with 3d, I have it consistant with one, and continuous is hard, but I've made an unclean 3 catches.


PING PONG....

The best way to do this is an extended box. one antiround, box, one normal round, box so on. I think its as close as someone can get that looks like ping pong and that is doable.

Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on December 28, 2008, 10:32:20 AM
PING PONG....

The best way to do this is an extended box. one antiround, box, one normal round, box so on. I think its as close as someone can get that looks like ping pong and that is doable.
Perhaps yes ... all my attempts seem to leed to a cascade now  :-|
Oh and it's Eltharion, aka Florian
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on December 28, 2008, 01:08:05 PM
yea but i told you ¬¬
Nooo, i quoted it to you on msn along time ago :p
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on December 28, 2008, 02:47:27 PM
How about a 3D suicide start? Do a double sprinkler with 2D release the stick, throm the third one up catch the stick and start playing. That would look cool!
That sounds interesting, i think i may work on that!!
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Bro on December 28, 2008, 03:03:53 PM
I'm still waiting on (3)7411*2*3*(3)

anyone????
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on December 28, 2008, 03:15:33 PM
A different feed 123 order ?
Sounds like something I'm gonna try next time I go outside  :P
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: mike. on December 29, 2008, 02:14:56 AM
how bout 5312123. so thats throw one high (5) throw another  highish (3) then FTS (12) then throw another back up and then fts 123?

btw i stink at siteswap lingo so tell if this is right/possible?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on December 29, 2008, 11:19:54 PM
Your siteswap fails.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: kurrygrodan on January 03, 2009, 12:09:02 PM
this would possibly be able to make trick of :http://youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezcJNRwK3uE when 1 diabolo is just in the middle and 2 spinning around it
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on January 03, 2009, 12:14:51 PM
The orbitor? Long time no see..
Doable from 3d box?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: kurrygrodan on January 03, 2009, 12:36:31 PM
The orbitor? Long time no see..
Doable from 3d box?
maybe I just found the vid and thought that a good 3 diabolist would be able to do it
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: pranay on January 03, 2009, 12:47:18 PM
I'm still waiting on (3)7411*2*3*(3)

anyone????
I think I might be able to do that but it probably won't look better then a normal fts 123...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on January 03, 2009, 04:05:24 PM
I guess you could pull it off yeah.
I tried, it's harder than I thought, and it will definitely look terrible ... so it's not for me.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: mike. on January 05, 2009, 06:34:45 AM
Your siteswap fails.

btw i stink at siteswap lingo so tell if this is right/possible?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on January 07, 2009, 12:49:29 PM
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The orbitor? Long time no see..
Doable from 3d box?

From experience it is possible to get into from a normal 42. Just make the 4 drop in the middle of the pattern with the correct timing (I don´t know the proper timing or how to exit, never put much work into a "mistake").

However if you already have a stable 3 low wouldn´t you try to correct it unconsciously? Would be a difficult trick to do on purpose. Looking at that video it´s easy to see the mind is still in 2D.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ecuador16 on January 07, 2009, 08:02:17 PM
the orbitor
thats how i shuffle three right now :-D lol

i was just looking throught this thread and saw sean's first post and i was like wow all that stuff has been done now

not very clean but done
correct me if i am wrong
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on January 07, 2009, 08:20:02 PM
Yeah, Sean's first post was filled with absolutely impossible tricks back then:

So what are some other possible tricks for 3 low. Priam brought up the cascade pattern...
Done by Dekel the most nowadays and likely best nowadays (haven't seen Jacob's progress since the BJC).

-3 diabolo mini-columns. This would be a STUNNING trick!
Definitely done by quite a few people nowadays.
-Picking one diabolo out of the shuffle and whipping it while the other two keep circling then put it back into the shuffle.
I'd say Arata is the closest to this one. A hover could be considered as such, but it's not really whipping.

-Grind a diabolo on each stick while one spins on the string.
Twister is the only one I've seen taking big steps in grinds with 3d. And doing it well too.

-All sorts of sprinkler tricks - you'd need to get very good at 3 diabolo whipping or bring the pattern down from a high pattern first.
Feed the sprinkers come to mind. I know I'm forgetting others.

-Is any kind of knot transfer possible? I can't think of anything that would make sense at this point.
Pete's votw was one of the first. Jack Chen also has his nice little move that he does. Davefromthegrave had an unbelievable spurt where he nailed the transfers.

-All sorts of 2 diabolo tricks under a third diabolo that is popped up high.
Baptiste's mini-columns under a high throw, all kinds of siteswaps that have been invented, feeds, unfeeds. It looks pedestrian nowadays :(

-A 3 diabolo fan - 3 pieces to the fan!? :shock:
Eltharion was one of the first (perhaps the first) to really get any success with the 3d fan.


Yeah, It's been a good run for 3d development. Just think back then when doing 3d made you a king - and then think further back when 2d made you a god.

As for a crazy idea, here's an idle thought while I was wondering what kind of 3high tricks I'd like to try some day - high throw, then a throw of 2 around the body and back into 3high (somehow).
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on January 07, 2009, 08:45:35 PM
Like a 42 but juggling behind the back ?
That would be so cool
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: William on January 07, 2009, 10:28:09 PM
btb I could get into, Too bad I suck at 42s..
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sean on January 07, 2009, 11:31:58 PM
Yeah, Sean's first post was filled with absolutely impossible tricks back then:
Ha. Obviously I didn't dream big enough. Shall I make up another set of impossible tricks and we'll wait another 4 years for them to be cracked?

They all still seem impossible to me. Haven't cracked a single one - and it's not from a lack of trying.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: mike. on January 08, 2009, 03:04:37 AM

Pete's votw was one of the first. Jack Chen also has his nice little move that he does. Davefromthegrave had an unbelievable spurt where he nailed the transfers.


god. dave took pretty much every crazy idea i had and did it in that video.internal sprinklers!? what. that is still inspiration to me
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Rola on January 14, 2009, 06:50:16 PM
It would be great a feed the splinker 2-3 That you throw One diabolo and you do a splinker and then the thir diabolo enter to the splinker
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Sean on January 14, 2009, 07:01:49 PM
That has been done. Can't remember what videos I've seen it in though.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Arjan on January 14, 2009, 08:12:01 PM
Like a 42 but juggling behind the back ?
That would be so cool

If we are talking about a high (42) pattern with the string in behind the back position, thus catching and passing the diabolo behind one's back to throw on the other side, such a pattern is tremendously hard to execute for more then 1 or 2 cycles. Probably for some people around the globe their daily 2 seconds of fun, but very few really.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on January 14, 2009, 08:55:48 PM
The 2 is not blind, it's more like a body orbit. Still bloody hard though ...
The only one I can see pull off this "easily" would be arata
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Paino on January 14, 2009, 09:52:12 PM
The 2 is not blind, it's more like a body orbit. Still bloody hard though ...
The only one I can see pull off this "easily" would be arata
tony Frebourg i think he could do it
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on February 15, 2009, 11:41:31 AM
How about 3D reverse cascade? or is that too crazy
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on February 15, 2009, 12:17:18 PM
How about 3D reverse cascade? or is that too crazy

3 high passing would be the easiest way. The throws might might be too tricky for one person alone though [1].

[1] Waiting for Dekel to prove me wrong.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on February 15, 2009, 12:29:27 PM
Most of it probably won´t happen soon (my dreams only):

1-2-3 fts but replace all the suns with suicides. Diabolotino/Yeow in the not so far off future maybe?

Shuffle behind the back and when that´s possible suns and fts BTB. After that box, cascade btb. Extension to that would be rollout- or 522* rollout sun. Extension to that ( :-D) could be continuation of the fts immediately from rollout.

Shuffle around the neck.

Cascade with every catch a penguin catch.

Vortex to left stickstall + stopover on the dominant hand. Sun back into shuffle.

2D shuffle in an armstall, jump the 3rd over, carry it all around the neck, sun out.

Right sprinkler 180 suicide to 180 sun out (from the Taiwanese).

Columns-cascade-box-42*-back to box all in one combo. Maybe 531 somewhere in there too (Dekel?).

522 from wrap with the 22 as a pirouette sun.

Sticktwirls shuffle or the trick where you go around the diab with the string in a shuffle (on every beat).

5223. 22 as sprinkler, 3 as outside knotsteal out.

double trapezewhip from a shuffle (have to be async shuffle or it will never work, I managed this in a 2D shuffle so maybe not very far off for someone good with 3D).

Left BW slowcide duicide (like the one Tony does in his routine) as 3D start. Diab 2 and 3 thrown while the duicide is airborne. Add a pirouette for more difficulty.

High cascade with every throw a trapeze-BTB release.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on February 15, 2009, 12:33:36 PM
Most of it probably won´t happen soon (my dreams only):
1-2-3 fts but replace all the suns with suicides. Diabolotino/Yeow in the not so far off future maybe?
Hasnt Crackers pulled this off? i dunno if hes filmed it tho
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on February 15, 2009, 12:54:04 PM
I did land this but haven't got any proof of it yet  :-X
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on February 15, 2009, 01:14:41 PM
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I did land this but haven't got any proof of it yet   

Didn´t know that...WOW :o.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Alex! on February 15, 2009, 05:02:51 PM
I did land this but haven't got any proof of it yet  :-X
Yeah, just like my vertax fts
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabzzzz on February 16, 2009, 09:18:31 AM
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Left BW slowcide duicide (like the one Tony does in his routine) as 3D start

Already done by Tony himself in this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV2BH2PYz9w&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV2BH2PYz9w&feature=channel_page)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on February 16, 2009, 09:36:48 AM
Nope that´s a normal whip-duicide start (saw that live at EJC06 actually so well aware ;)). It´s amazing though he has it that solid.
I meant like the one he uses for going into inf. suicides during his 1D routine.

Easier variation on that would be catching it in the inf. first and the multiplexthrow D2 and 3 while catching the stick. I met a guy in 2005 (Miguel, anyone know him?) with a seriously solid multiplexthrow he used for bot 3 low and high so this variation may not be that far off actually.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on February 16, 2009, 01:09:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmTVgW_83lE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmTVgW_83lE)
That guy ?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on February 16, 2009, 01:15:35 PM
DAMN! i saw crackers had posted in this thread, saw a video coming up, i was so hoping that he had filmed his 1-2-3 all suicide thing  :(
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on February 16, 2009, 04:38:24 PM
@Crackers: Yup that´s him. Never saw that vid before. It´s old though and haven´t spoke to him in a few years so wonder what he´s up to now?

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DAMN! i saw crackers had posted in this thread, saw a video coming up, i was so hoping that he had filmed his 1-2-3 all suicide thing   

Haha, although the vid was great to see I was kind of hoping for the same thing ;)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ra5se on February 18, 2009, 12:07:25 PM
A sprinkler behind the back or antishuffle behind the back. I managed to do both with 2 diabolos, so why not try with three?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Elkku on March 05, 2009, 02:57:55 PM
what about feed the sun 1-1-2-2-3-3 or fts 1-2-3-3-2-1-2-3???

I think those crazy TND-guys would be able to do these

Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on March 05, 2009, 03:29:25 PM
what about feed the sun 1-1-2-2-3-3 or fts 1-2-3-3-2-1-2-3???

I think those crazy TND-guys would be able to do these
First one, sounds hard, i imagine this would be easiest to get into from a 3 high 441?

Second one i believe has been done, not sure tho.

Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Rola on March 23, 2009, 08:54:40 PM
3 loop diabolos
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Ben. on March 23, 2009, 09:04:22 PM
idea - not 100% sure it would work.
vortex but instead of the two unwrapped acting as one diab and going in mental antishuffle, you just vortex only one that is still on the string (lets say you were doing it from frontwrap hover, you would only vortex one of the two shuffling diabs like normal 2d vortex) and then that one would go on to vortex the third one.
haven't thought of exit...
mang that was hard to explain, does anyone get me?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: mike. on March 23, 2009, 09:15:38 PM
dave peach did that the other way around, but it wasnt a full vortex, one ended up in a wrap. Its the first trick.

transfer video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COTG4u-9X0A&feature=channel_page#lq-hq)

I still think that dave has the best 3D tricks around
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Hector 641 on March 23, 2009, 09:18:14 PM
idea - not 100% sure it would work.
vortex but instead of the two unwrapped acting as one diab and going in mental antishuffle, you just vortex only one that is still on the string (lets say you were doing it from frontwrap hover, you would only vortex one of the two shuffling diabs like normal 2d vortex) and then that one would go on to vortex the third one.
haven't thought of exit...
mang that was hard to explain, does anyone get me?

yeeah i get you, but wouldn't it be damn hard to vortex the third one with the second one, while the first is still on the string?!? Back to shuffle would be crazy hard, if not impossible^^
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: mike. on March 23, 2009, 09:32:17 PM
Ooooh, i just thought of a way, in the second part of the vortex, when you unwrap the middle diabolo you would have to do an internal sun with the left and middle diabs.

you think that would work?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Ben. on March 23, 2009, 09:40:26 PM
Ooooh, i just thought of a way, in the second part of the vortex, when you unwrap the middle diabolo you would have to do an internal sun with the left and middle diabs.

you think that would work?
i don't know because i cba to work it all out.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Elkku on March 30, 2009, 04:33:57 PM
Crossed sticks sun 1-2-3
Or has someone landed it already?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on March 30, 2009, 04:38:54 PM
Crossed sticks sun 1-2-3
Or has someone landed it already?

Marc and zack at bjc 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FroqwbMvQ3M#lq-hq)

Last trick. It's the closest I've seen to someone trying feeds with crossed sticks (its only a 42sun). Maybe Dave from the Grave has worked on it more.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on March 30, 2009, 10:30:59 PM
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Vortex to left stickstall + stopover on the dominant hand. Sun back into shuffle.

The school of the river (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfK9DQCY6iU#lq-lq2-hq)

^In case you haven´t seen it (no stopover here but otherwise the same).
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: bombmistro on March 31, 2009, 01:29:43 AM
-A 3 diabolo fan - 3 pieces to the fan!? :shock:
on the 3 piece fan thing if you were to some how wrap it so that it would climb in the center while fanning the other 2 it might work but idk i can only do 2 (every once in a while i get 3 for like 2 rounds  :-D)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Hathaway on March 31, 2009, 04:35:12 PM
Yeah I've though about that... If you front wrap one so that its in the middle, and then do a normal vortex entry, 2 of them would fan normally and the one in the middle would constantly unwrap and re-wrap? That could be complete rubbish though. Morgan has got a rotation or two of a 3 fan :P.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ERIK da blue on July 12, 2009, 09:06:48 PM
has anyone ever tried doing a front to back sun?
or going from 3D behind the back to body satellite?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Ben. on July 12, 2009, 09:18:16 PM
has anyone ever tried doing a front to back sun?
or going from 3D behind the back to body satellite?
Isn't that f hard with 2d let alone 3?
I reckon that a suicide from back to front would be possible.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ERIK da blue on July 12, 2009, 09:22:38 PM
Suicide!?!?
That just sounds impossible! You wouldn't have nearly enough time to get your hand round your body 2 catch the suicide.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on July 12, 2009, 09:25:43 PM
Isn't that f hard with 2d let alone 3?
I reckon that a suicide from back to front would be possible.
I disagree that would be very possible. And i have once landed front to back sun, complete fluke. But i seem to be very good at fluking things at the moment, ill try to get it again on film.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ERIK da blue on July 12, 2009, 09:40:18 PM
I want to see that!!!
Did you get a decent run BTB?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on July 12, 2009, 09:45:18 PM
I want to see that!!!
Did you get a decent run BTB?
Noo it was just front to back sun, so it ends up back in normal position.

Just like this (but obviously with 3)
Front to Back Sun Tutorial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoyRcdNVWH0#lq-lq2-hq)

I only got it once and got about 20 catches after it.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Jannis on July 13, 2009, 09:38:02 AM
Noo it was just front to back sun, so it ends up back in normal position.

Just like this (but obviously with 3)
Front to Back Sun Tutorial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoyRcdNVWH0#lq-lq2-hq)

I only got it once and got about 20 catches after it.




can you make a video from it?!?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on July 13, 2009, 06:55:13 PM
can you make a video from it?!?

But i seem to be very good at fluking things at the moment, ill try to get it again on film.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: TLFQ on July 13, 2009, 07:15:41 PM
OK, so this seems like this was starting to get a little off topic from Norbi's thread, but it seemed far to interesting to stop talking about. Let's continue it here:

So what are some other possible tricks for 3 low. Priam brought up the cascade pattern that Lucas is starting to get. This area is almost untouched at this point - so many ideas to be discovered. Here are some ideas I have thought of or have heard of:

-3 diabolo mini-columns. This would be a STUNNING trick!
-Picking one diabolo out of the shuffle and whipping it while the other two keep circling then put it back into the shuffle.
-Grind a diabolo on each stick while one spins on the string.
-All sorts of sprinkler tricks - you'd need to get very good at 3 diabolo whipping or bring the pattern down from a high pattern first.
-Is any kind of knot transfer possible? I can't think of anything that would make sense at this point.
-All sorts of 2 diabolo tricks under a third diabolo that is popped up high.
-A 3 diabolo fan - 3 pieces to the fan!? :shock:

What other ideas and/or dreams do you guys have at this point?

Sean
you could do a leg stall on the left side the stick stall on the right with the furthest diabolo on the right do magic knot dual realese from the stick stall
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: mike. on July 14, 2009, 01:57:06 AM
how bout a 3 layer ping pong. one in the middle. one on top, one going under.

impossible?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on July 14, 2009, 11:59:17 AM
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how bout a 3 layer ping pong. one in the middle. one on top, one going under.

Sounds you could need to go into the orbitor and reverse it every other time (seems the most probable?). Keeping the middle diabolo from colliding with the top-bottom diabs will probably be hard too if you ever get enough control of an orbitor.

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Noo it was just front to back sun, so it ends up back in normal position.

Just like this (but obviously with 3)

Did it go all the way behind your back or around the shoulders (time to fold your arm)? Did you have an exchange btb or was it like a double sun?


I´d like to see 3-2-1-1 with the 1-1 as front to back sun, shouldersun or pirousun. Maybe 3-2-1-1-1 with the first 1 a normal sun, last 1-1 as penguin catch left-right :o. Or maybe 3-2-1-2-3 with the 1 and second 2 both as pirousuns or the 1 as one half of a shoulder sun, catch D2 behind the head into the 2 as the second half of the shouldersun, normal 3.

How about 3-522* with the 22 as one round of minicolums back to shuffle or 42*. Like a fts-extension of the minicolumn trick Baptiste did in the las vegas video long ago.

Or 3-2-1 but the set up throws are higher so after the 1 there will be an inverse trapeze on the right hand into a btb release so it converts into 3 high.

Or an extended box with a 2D sun under every high throw (means one round of reverse 42* obviously)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on July 14, 2009, 03:50:13 PM
how bout a 3 layer ping pong. one in the middle. one on top, one going under.

impossible?
Already landed a 3D ping pong, i will film once i have time. I may do a 3D video soon cause im getting alot of crazy stuff solidish.

diabolo88 ill go work on a 2-3-2-1-1-2-3 but with the 1-1 as front to back sun.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ERIK da blue on July 14, 2009, 04:20:46 PM
Already landed a 3D ping pong, i will film once i have time. I may do a 3D video soon cause I'm getting alot of crazy stuff solidish.

How do u do ping pong? Bounce 1 or 2 diabolos?
I always thought it would work by doing the antishuffle entrance twice in a row.

As for the video? Excellent! Been waiting for that so i can steal all your tricks :P
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on July 14, 2009, 04:26:46 PM
How do u do ping pong? Bounce 1 or 2 diabolos?
I always thought it would work by doing the antishuffle entrance twice in a row.

As for the video? Excellent! Been waiting for that so i can steal all your tricks :P
The idea is to get one to bounce over the other 2 as they ping pong, i have the basic idea on film but not clean, theres a collision on the 2 below but i still land it.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ERIK da blue on July 14, 2009, 04:31:47 PM
you must send me that so i can have a look at it.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Hathaway on August 06, 2009, 12:13:05 PM
How about (mainly aimed at Jacob) you do a variation on the 2d genocide from b sharpe? Pop one up high do the 2d gen back into 3?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Timaeschulze on August 06, 2009, 01:45:46 PM
How about (mainly aimed at Jacob) you do a variation on the 2d genocide from b sharpe? Pop one up high do the 2d gen back into 3?
A freakin crazy idea, but think this isn't possible. The trick with two is insane and with. I believe that the one diabolo, which is the highest one is two low for the others. I mean you can not throw it about that height. But I hope someone like Crackers  :-* can try it  :-D
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Hathaway on August 06, 2009, 05:05:18 PM
Nah you're wrong.

Watch the new Sharpes video, look how high Jacob can get one whilst doing a 2d shuffle... Easily enough time plus his high throws are accurate enough for it to fall back into the pattern... It would be nice to see Crackers give it a go, but seeing as Jacob can do both parts of it already...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo88 on August 13, 2009, 09:42:52 PM
Tried today but failed horribly...I would like to see someone do 180-180 pirouette or 540-180 pirouette in 3 high. Has someone done it?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on November 13, 2009, 11:59:55 PM
this is literally impossible, but a 3 diablolo genocide would be amazing.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on November 14, 2009, 02:18:03 PM
this is literally impossible, but a 3 diablolo genocide would be amazing.
3D mini-gen isn't that hard, Jacob was saying that he thought he might be able to do a full genocide as its similar to his 2D genocide, dunno if he tried it tho.

Did you not read this?
How about (mainly aimed at Jacob) you do a variation on the 2d genocide from b sharpe? Pop one up high do the 2d gen back into 3?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Jonathan on November 15, 2009, 12:49:04 PM
3 diabolo genocide, not mini genocide
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on November 15, 2009, 12:54:56 PM
3 diabolo genocide, not mini genocide
Did you not read my post? i mentioned both mini and full genocide.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Hathaway on November 15, 2009, 02:03:51 PM
Dodson I think he is talking more about the genoicde like Tiamat does with 2...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on November 15, 2009, 02:26:21 PM
You mean Tiamat?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: samuli on November 15, 2009, 03:13:20 PM
Ime mun makkaraa

I just love this expression, it's good that you learnt at least something in Finland ;)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on November 15, 2009, 07:29:21 PM
I did mean something like the Tiamat Genocide.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on November 15, 2009, 09:47:01 PM
I just love this expression, it's good that you learnt at least something in Finland ;)
I also remember how to count to 5  :P
For anything else, you have to invite me again  ;)

On topic, how about a big sun with a grinded diabolo on each stick ?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on November 16, 2009, 10:13:38 AM
You would need amazing string control but half shower anyone? (or is it called half cascade)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Hathaway on November 16, 2009, 11:16:22 AM
Can people even comfortablly get a half shower pattern with 2 going?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ERIK da blue on November 16, 2009, 04:23:21 PM
Can people even comfortablly get a half shower pattern with 2 going?

how could you half shower with 2?
it just wouldnt work. possible with 3 but very hard
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Hathaway on November 16, 2009, 04:39:34 PM
Surely you can simulate the first two throws?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on November 17, 2009, 01:31:23 PM
You would need amazing string control but half shower anyone? (or is it called half cascade)
I might be able to get close. I can do continuous reverse 42s in low (like Arjan does in ESH in high). I think the only difference would be to throw the 4 accross instead of completly vertical. Not sure, I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: kamikace on November 17, 2009, 02:06:47 PM
I yearn to see that mate   grrr (purring) grrr     :-D
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Duncan on November 17, 2009, 03:15:56 PM
On topic, how about a big sun with a grinded diabolo on each stick ?

I'll give it a go later today.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Jonathan on January 04, 2010, 06:20:38 PM
3 diabolo right sprinkler exists? and 3d around the body?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: 3Jiabolopupil on June 24, 2010, 07:18:03 PM
I can do continuous reverse 42s in low
I thought about that... Are you sure that this is not just a reverse cascade? :P
3 diabolos low reverse 42 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQdrFd0-L44#)
I tried it out and the result was a reverse cascade, I think...
Or is there a mistake in my reverse 42?? :-D
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Crackers on June 24, 2010, 07:51:27 PM
Lol it does kinda look like a reverse cascade indeed  :P
Maybe I was doing the same but didn't notice because I didn't see it on film. I'll work on it again to see what I'm doing exactly...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Icebox on June 24, 2010, 08:41:45 PM
I thought about that... Are you sure that this is not just a reverse cascade? :P
Or is there a mistake in my reverse 42?? :-D

The reverse 42 always has the 4 thrown from the right. if you swap the side the 4 is thrown from, then it becomes a reverse cascade. excellent 3D control though
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toddyupa on June 25, 2010, 12:22:24 AM
The reason 3Jiabolo...'s continuous reverse cascade is a reverse cascade is because that yellow diabolo (from the slow-mo) has to land exactly where it came from. Instead of landing on the right, it landed in the middle, where you then popped from the other side, with a reverse cascade. It should land where it pooped from, the right side of the stick, and as soon as it lands it should be pooped up again, and you keep doing this for a continuous reverse 42.

I think...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on June 25, 2010, 01:54:11 AM
Impossible, except maybe for Dave or Crackers or Dodson, an some other masters 3d in a few years. Arjan mini gen with 2d, wrapping a sprinkler around 2 and then after the mini gen, doing a double handstall.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Tipper on June 25, 2010, 06:46:30 AM
@toddyupa
It should land where it pooped from?! xD

@NSY
The movements of The gen would mess up The sprinkler
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 25, 2010, 08:01:25 AM
It doesnt even really go into a sprinkler. With the diabolo on the backside you cant really push it over to put the other 2 into sprinkler.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: dave from the grave on June 25, 2010, 08:14:43 AM
@ 3 jiabolopupil

this trick is very good but unfortunately no a continuous reverse 42. what i be live has happend is that you have entered reverse cascade with a 42 pop from the right. so its kinda a reverse 42 entry to reverse cascade.

the first trick in the video is a reverse 42 like i do but not a true reverse 42. as i tried to get someone to figure out a true reverse 42 would have the 2 as an antishuffle. so we need to come up with a better name for what i called the reverse 42.

mind you what you have done is extremely hard and i encourage you to try and extend that reverse cascade to the point that it is smooth and then use your kind of reverse 42 as an entry and exit?



The reason 3Jiabolo...'s continuous reverse cascade is a reverse cascade is because that yellow diabolo (from the slow-mo) has to land exactly where it came from. Instead of landing on the right, it landed in the middle, where you then popped from the other side, with a reverse cascade. It should land where it pooped from, the right side of the stick, and as soon as it lands it should be pooped up again, and you keep doing this for a continuous reverse 42.

I think...

exactly right but as i said its an 42 entry

now a continuous reverse 42 or what ever the hell i do can be done. but you have to have a 3 in between. or a kind of half 3, you see as the 4 is on the right and the 2 is on the left a continuous reverse 42 would end up in a kind of reverse cascade. making it an entry to reverse cascade. now to do a reverse 42 contiously it would become 423. this means the 4 will always stay on the right and the 2's from the left.

its time like this that i think we should include the lowest diabolo in sitswaps. would sort this right out. :)

Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Tipper on June 25, 2010, 02:45:50 PM
Just did a little thinking... shouldnt a proper continuous reverse launch 42 be like the 4 as a column on the right side and the other 2 doing a shuffle-ish thing?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on June 25, 2010, 04:55:28 PM
Why can't you do the sprinkler? I can't do 3d so I dont understand.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toddyupa on June 26, 2010, 07:19:21 AM
I know someone probably thought of this, but I'm still to see it: Feed the Sun 1-3. The siteswap numbers would be 4 4 1* 3*. This would probably be a real challenge, as the diabolo that does the 1 can't really go in the air, because if if does it will be hard to start the sun with this as the 1st diabolo.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toby on June 26, 2010, 09:28:00 AM
Crackers was trying this out at southern lights...it seems definiately possible and he was pretty close to landing it.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 26, 2010, 10:14:28 AM
I know someone probably thought of this, but I'm still to see it: Feed the Sun 1-3. The siteswap numbers would be 4 4 1* 3*. This would probably be a real challenge, as the diabolo that does the 1 can't really go in the air, because if if does it will be hard to start the sun with this as the 1st diabolo.
Al did it aages ago. Its not very hard to do actually, really nice visual trick tho. Ill try and find the video where he did it.

Edit: Around 23 seconds in =]

Joculo ergo Sum (Trailer) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nbc6F-UhvU#)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toddyupa on June 26, 2010, 10:36:52 AM
Very good Dodson. THanks. Now I want to see a 4 4 1* 4 4 1*. If someone can land THAT, I will really be impressed.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 26, 2010, 10:51:26 AM
Very good Dodson. THanks. Now I want to see a 4 4 1* 4 4 1*. If someone can land THAT, I will really be impressed.
Just 1 suns? like 441441 high? but low?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toddyupa on June 26, 2010, 12:05:27 PM
yep. please don't tell me you've seen that too... (remember, it has to be continuous. And a 4415151 etc would be nice too!)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 26, 2010, 12:07:10 PM
yep. please don't tell e you've seen that too... (remember, it has to be continuous. And a 4415151 etc would be nice too!)
I dont see whats so hard about that...
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Dracodragon on June 26, 2010, 05:36:55 PM
yep. please don't tell me you've seen that too... (remember, it has to be continuous. And a 4415151 etc would be nice too!)

I think the hard thing about that one is its an invalid siteswap :P
Try
44145151
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 26, 2010, 05:47:04 PM
I think the hard think about that one is its an invalid siteswap :P
Try
44145151
I mean i dont how doing continuous low 441* is a crazy trick idea. Its not very hard at all. Never tried the 51's. 451515141 might be the easiest way. Easiest way for high anyway.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: dave from the grave on June 26, 2010, 06:31:11 PM
I think the hard think about that one is its an invalid siteswap :P
Try
44145151

huh? 4415151 is a valid siteswap 4+4+1+5+1+5+1 = 21 which divided by the amount of throws (7) the you get 3. Therefore a valid siteswap. If you add a 4 then it throws it to 25 therefore not a valid siteswap.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 26, 2010, 06:38:01 PM
huh? 4415151 is a valid siteswap 4+4+1+5+1+5+1 = 21 which divided by the amount of throws (7) the you get 3. Therefore a valid siteswap. If you add a 4 then it throws it to 25 therefore not a valid siteswap.
According to the diabology siteswap simulator, the object count is 3, but its still and invalid siteswap. I dont see why it wouldnt work tho.

Edit: Remember continuous 51 has to end with a 41 one. Making 441515141 invalid.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Dracodragon on June 26, 2010, 07:24:26 PM
From my experience with siteswapping I know it is invalid because I know [51] is an excited pattern, meaning that it can be done continuously and requires entrance as well as exit. I say entrance and exit in reference to the other siteswap number throws that must be done to go into and out of the pattern.

441 is a vanilla pattern; it can be done continuously but doesn't require an entrance or exit. Same with things like 3, 531, 4440, 42, etc

Here are a few entrances and exits I was able to pull off for entering the [51] excited state I think they also all work for the excited state of [450] (which is such a beautiful 3 high siteswap)
4[51]...
45601[51]...
52[51]...
5620[51]...
631[51]...
622[51]...

Some exits to play around with for [51] and [450] that I know are
....[51]2
....[51]41
....[51]530

Have fun :)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toddyupa on June 26, 2010, 10:21:50 PM
4415151...41 can be done,  in low, I am yet  to see it though. A 4415151...512333 is another possible way to exit. Can someone please film:
441*441* IN LOW (I look at Dodson after his reply "I don't see what's so hard about that..." ;)
4415151... with ...515141 as the exit or ...51512 IN LOW as the exit.

Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 26, 2010, 10:27:54 PM
i dont how doing continuous low 441* is a crazy trick idea.
Its really not hard. People do continuous runs of feed the sun 1-2-3. Thats basically the same set up. People do mental feeds, and you think just doing the same basic thing without 2* or 3* is harder? If you can do 441* clean back into shuffle, then doing 441*441* low is not hard at all. Ill film it if you really really like.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toddyupa on June 26, 2010, 10:31:53 PM
I want to see it done! :D :D
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 26, 2010, 11:21:44 PM
Back onto the topic of crazy tricks. 3D duicide? From an armstall ive had it pretty close. Anyone else tried?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Dracodragon on June 27, 2010, 12:26:40 AM
Has anyone done a 3 diabolo ping-pong/tennis yet? Maybe do a 3d cascade or minicolumns and make one bounce over the other two. Or even better, make it figure 8 around the other two while the other 2 do a minicolumn pattern? I would love to see a duicide attempt dodson!
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 27, 2010, 12:28:54 AM
Has anyone done a 3 diabolo ping-pong/tennis yet? Maybe do a 3d cascade or minicolumns and make one bounce over the other two. Or even better, make it figure 8 around the other two while the other 2 do a minicolumn pattern? I would love to see a duicide attempt dodson!
Ive done ping-pong, in like a way. It was like shuffle for 3 catch, antishuffle for 3 catches, shuffle for 3 catches.  Jacob did some weird column thing in the latest vid. Maybe that was pingpongish?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toddyupa on June 27, 2010, 12:36:21 AM
So, you've got a normal feed the sun 2-3-2-1-2-3, siteswap is 4 2* 3* 4 2* 3 1* 2* 3*. What about a feed the sun 2-3-2-1-2-3 as a 4 2* 3* 5 2* 3 1* 2* 3*. So the diabolo that pops out of the 1st 3 diabolo sun has to go REALLY high because while that's in the air there is a 2 diabolo sun, 1 pops out, 1 diabolo sun, 2 diabolo sun and then the diabolo in the air lands as the last diabolo to go around he 3 diabolo sun at the end. THAT I want to see, even more than the 441*441* :D
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 27, 2010, 12:41:19 AM
So, you've got a normal feed the sun 2-3-2-1-2-3, siteswap is 4 2* 3* 4 2* 3 1* 2* 3*. What about a feed the sun 2-3-2-1-2-3 as a 4 2* 3* 5 2* 3 1* 2* 3*. So the diabolo that pops out of the 1st 3 diabolo sun has to go REALLY high because while that's in the air there is a 2 diabolo sun, 1 pops out, 1 diabolo sun, 2 diabolo sun and then the diabolo in the air lands as the last diabolo to go around he 3 diabolo sun at the end. THAT I want to see, even more than the 441*441* :D
That wrecks my head:p like 531*-2*-3*
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on June 27, 2010, 01:26:59 AM
Has anyone done a 3 diabolo ping-pong/tennis yet?
The reverse 522 that dave did is like ping pong.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toddyupa on June 27, 2010, 01:32:10 AM
That wrecks my head:p like 531*-2*-3*

yes, exactly like that! Only, to make it more crazy it's after the feed he sun 2 3! :D

Impossible, except maybe for Dave or Crackers or Dodson, an some other masters 3d in a few years. Arjan mini gen with 2d, wrapping a sprinkler around 2 and then after the mini gen, doing a double handstall.

This fits perfectly in this thread (Crazy Idea!). However, I suspect it's not to be done until 2013.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 27, 2010, 10:33:02 AM
yes, exactly like that! Only, to make it more crazy it's after the feed he sun 2 3! :D
Id probably have to do it from high. My 2-3-2-1-2-3 still isnt 100%i seem to get it more from 1-2-3-2-1-2-3 for some strange reason. I doubt i can unfeed that high accuratly, But ill give it a go.

I came close to 1-1-2-2-3-3 once, all double suns, but after 1 round of the 3suns they werent spinning anymore haha
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toddyupa on June 27, 2010, 11:37:30 AM
good to know you will give it a try!
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: nutt531 on June 27, 2010, 12:44:00 PM
Quote
continuous low 441*
Etienne can make 451*51*51*51*2*3* like that in low ... But I think these tricks are not so hard when you've got your ss in 3high  ;)
1-1-2-2-3-3 was the challenge at rennes for the 3d masters ^^
hmm 3d crazy ideas ... behind the back low to high ? :P
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 27, 2010, 12:49:26 PM
1-1-2-2-3-3 was the challenge at rennes for the 3d masters ^^
Did anyone get it?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: nutt531 on June 27, 2010, 01:00:23 PM
Etienne's got it but like 1-1-2-2-3 because there was no spin for double sun , Jacob was pretty close and some guys like william or guillaume were try this ... But I really think this two can make it easily ;)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toddyupa on June 27, 2010, 10:47:08 PM
Telll etienne to have a go at the 5 3 1* 2* 3*!
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: sokkerking12345 on June 29, 2010, 10:16:00 PM
i had an idea for a feed the fan. <-- that would look AWESOME.  start three, toss one medium high, and get the other two into s-fan immediately. right before the tossed diabolo lands, do this: when one diabolo is coming up towards you, you could move the string back behind the diabolo, and i think it would pop straight up. the diabolo that is still on the string would finish half of its between the arms sun, and you could catch the first tossed diabolo on the section of string that originally had the second diabolo, and repeat this pattern. the way you would catch it would be similar to the way its caught in this video i found: 2 Diabolos s-fan start (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7DnlpzCNsw#ws)

on a random side note, this could be used to get from s-fan to c-fan and visa versa
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on June 30, 2010, 01:14:40 AM
Fini did ac fan. A lot of guys could do that sith some practice. 3d high to low cascade or columns, I've seen both high and low columns,  but yet to see high cascade. Etienne could get it.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: dave from the grave on June 30, 2010, 07:36:35 AM
JiBe did high cascade years ago in the collab.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: sokkerking12345 on June 30, 2010, 08:28:05 AM
3d vertax mini gen, while sky-diving!!

been there, done that.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Tipper on June 30, 2010, 10:43:38 AM
I've seen both high and low columns,  but yet to see high cascade.

Just dug up this old dusty video from an ancient 3d thread here at d.ca

http://www.sendspace.com/file/84lw8y (http://www.sendspace.com/file/84lw8y)

Interesting what you find on your harddrive nowadays huh?
-Tipper

Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 30, 2010, 10:44:17 AM
Just dug up this old dusty video from an ancient 3d thread here at d.ca

http://www.sendspace.com/file/84lw8y (http://www.sendspace.com/file/84lw8y)

Interesting what you find on your harddrive nowadays huh?
-Tipper
Ahh tipper you beat me to it :p was just doing the same thing.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on July 01, 2010, 04:41:42 AM
I saw that video, but i tot he onwy did columns. Tweety bird
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: dave from the grave on July 04, 2010, 08:45:20 PM
I saw that video, but i tot he onwy did columns. Tweety bird

what the hell he did high cascade at least twice in that video???
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ElDiabolo on July 04, 2010, 09:58:36 PM
i've seed at the .ca collab video a guys who's plays 3d high cascade, i think so ;)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Hathaway on July 05, 2010, 10:57:44 AM
2 up 1 up, using a cheeky little leg stall to help pop the 2 up at the same time.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: kamikace on July 05, 2010, 01:18:10 PM
About Quentin Bancel: That video was already uploaded by us. Hope it helps  8) And yeah is fantastic. Don't forget to check the old videos from time to time, just to escape for a while from the integrals or feed the sun.
Have any of the top end 3d diabolists tried 3d orbit around the body as Antonin does in "Diabolo and baguettes"?. What about 3 diabolos arm orbits with switched hand?
When doing low shuffle, you may do a multiplex just after getting contact with the incoming diabolo so you pop up either crossed or vertically both diabolos. If one's able to toss them at different heights it could be a nice entry for 3d high, couldn't it?  ::)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: dave from the grave on July 05, 2010, 09:27:58 PM

When doing low shuffle, you may do a multiplex just after getting contact with the incoming diabolo so you pop up either crossed or vertically both diabolos. If ones able to toss them at different heights it could be a nice entry for 3d high, couldn't it?  ::)


i can do the popswap i posted and have managed a completely flat 2 up 1 up. the 2 as a multiplex if you want. its all about speed of the diabolos and angle of the string. through this technique you can isolate one diabolo on the left and one diabolo on the right thus making tower throws possible. very possible ill get one on video soon. i have used this as a transfer into 3 high but as i said its quite difficult to get speed correct.,

Dave
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Icebox on July 20, 2010, 06:50:12 PM
Ok someone might be able to find out where this might go wrong, but here it goes:

Sun to double armstall. inverse trapeze with the rightmost diabolo, send it over the middle diabolo to put right most in to a left backside. do the minigenocide. use the leftmost diabolo to take the wrap off the middle diabolo with a vortex, knot transfer the left wrap from the rightmost diabolo to the middle one, and take off that wrap with another vortex. You'd have to stay in an armstall on at least one side, but that could look really cool if it was smooth.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: dave from the grave on July 23, 2010, 05:53:52 PM
why would there be a wrap on the middle diabolo?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: AznnBoyaZ on July 23, 2010, 06:47:14 PM
because it would go around it
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: SebiHausi on July 23, 2010, 09:04:03 PM
i would have an awesome idea, for those who can do 4 high and low, maybe u should try fts 3-4, i think its easier than the 4diabolo sun, because with 3d its much easier to keep the shuffle going after a fts than after a normal sun, i think its the smae with 4. if you get that u should try high to low fts 1-2-3-4, like jugglingmatrix (vali) does in his video pain, but he does a high to low fts 1-2-3.

i have no idea if this is possible, but it just would be soo awesome :)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Icebox on July 23, 2010, 11:57:57 PM
why would there be a wrap on the middle diabolo?

If you watch this: http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=376.msg3636#msg3636 (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=376.msg3636#msg3636)

The minigenocide leaves a wrap on the non-suiciding diabolo. thus the need for the first vortex.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: dave from the grave on July 24, 2010, 11:52:46 AM
If you watch this: http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=376.msg3636#msg3636 (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=376.msg3636#msg3636)

The minigenocide leaves a wrap on the non-suiciding diabolo. thus the need for the first vortex.

yes but that is a 2 diabolo mini genocide doesn,t have one in an armstall and another one open.

thus you could mini genocide the right hand one with no wrap. diabolotino did it didnt he?
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Icebox on July 24, 2010, 04:53:53 PM
yes but that is a 2 diabolo mini genocide doesn,t have one in an armstall and another one open.


No, what I meant was the two right most diabolos are the only ones involved in that part of the move. The left diabolo stays in an armstall, and the right diabolo circles over the middle one. It would be possible to do the minigenocide without a wrap by using another inverse trapeze, but this way adds more to the trick by bringing in an extra vortex.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: AznnBoyaZ on July 24, 2010, 05:15:24 PM
54 sun has been done
4 diabolo 5-3 sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkkXMSHd3zs#)


Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on July 24, 2010, 05:43:36 PM
54 sun has been done
4 diabolo 5-3 sun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkkXMSHd3zs#)
This is a 53 sun and he said feed the sun 3-4, completely different trick. Why he posted that in a 3 diabolo tricks thread i dunno.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: SebiHausi on July 24, 2010, 06:49:26 PM
sorry about that, but i didnt finda section with 4d tricks idea, and i thought before i make a new topic, i post it here :)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ElDiabolo on July 25, 2010, 04:37:32 PM
hey guys here's my new trick ;)
the Umpa grumble ,a trick without suns ;) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEigVcqROwc#)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on July 25, 2010, 04:42:52 PM
hey guys here's my new trick ;)
the Umpa grumble ,a trick without suns ;) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEigVcqROwc#)
Isnt that just box-minicollumns-box? More of a combo than a trick.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Toddyupa on July 26, 2010, 07:12:38 AM
yep, it is
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: ElDiabolo on July 26, 2010, 12:02:03 PM
yes  ::)
sorry
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: traPACK on September 10, 2010, 09:03:49 PM
3d sprinkler-suicide out and doing 360° while the released stick is unwraping the sprinkler
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: zaximax on September 11, 2010, 02:37:13 PM
3d sprinkler-suicide out and doing 360° while the released stick is unwraping the sprinkler

well that could be possible anyone to try that??

-zx
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: jhonzon on April 26, 2011, 06:45:54 AM
what about a feed the sun 1-2-3 whit every sun as a stick pass sun.
D-I-A-B-O-L-O challenge round 2 response (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOyI7TGs2NI&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL#ws)

stick pass sun whit 3 diabolos has been done.
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: SebiHausi on April 26, 2011, 10:20:31 AM
i came up with something awesome some days ago, i will try to get it on video 8)
Title: Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
Post by: Mediaboy13 on February 20, 2013, 10:46:42 AM
3d sprinkler-suicide out and doing 360° while the released stick is unwraping the sprinkler
I've done that with 2 diabolos, i'll try do it with 3 sometime.
I know this thread hasn't been posted on for a while and i wanted to bring it back for all the newer mems who havn't looked back at previous threads.
How about grinding one diabolo on one of your sticks so you have 2 still going in the shuffle. Toss one of those 2 into the air and do a sun with the one remaining diabolo and catch (maybe continue feeding the sun even+  ::) ) all while still grinding the third diabolo on your stick  :)

-Alex
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