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Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: seán_ on December 06, 2005, 03:09:32 AM
They are out now.

go to
http://www.henrys-online.de/Webshop/enter.html?lang=en-us
and click news


Tuning-Set Allround
(http://www.henrys-online.de/Webshop/contents/media/J93110.jpg)
Tuning-Set Ultralight
(http://www.henrys-online.de/Webshop/contents/media/J93120.jpg)
Circus-Diabolo Tuning-Set
(http://www.henrys-online.de/Webshop/contents/media/J93130.jpg)
Circus-Diabolo Tuning-Set wide roller
(http://www.henrys-online.de/Webshop/contents/media/J93140.jpg)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Dracodragon on December 06, 2005, 05:26:26 AM
Hmm, they look pretty good. I already have purchased a tuning set for all 3 about a few months ago(I think it is the ultralight one) and they seem to work well for me. The only problems I have are that they are not good for fingergrinds/grinds, and the string tends to get caught a little more(but that might just be me or my dirty diabolos/string). On the plus side, the ultralight kit seems pretty stable for 3 high, and can be corrected using the string easier since the hubs are closer together. Just a little information i wanted to give about that set...
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Ben on December 06, 2005, 06:48:39 AM
am i just crazy or do the 1st and 3rd ones as well as a bit on the second.. have a huuuge drop from the hub to the axle?



wouldn’t this make a big gap that would force your string to kind of fall onto the axle instead of slide onto it if you catch on the hub? also wouldn’t this effect corrections and grinds?

or am i just looking at the pics weird?

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7058/wthub4fu.jpg)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Matt_ on December 06, 2005, 07:54:38 AM
yeah, i saw that too, i was about to comment...looks extremely strange.

and the first and third look very similar except for the curve..hmm..

well, at least they ship to the US now.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: frank0072 on December 06, 2005, 08:21:08 AM
The gap was the first thing I noticed aswell. Seems to me that the strings wears out pretty quick when it scratches alongside such sharp edges all the time...

I am curious for opinions about the wide-axle, because the only reason I could think of to buy it is for finger grinds. So the question: does it work just as the finesses with finger-grinds and moves like that?

Does anybody already know the price of the stuff?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Chiok on December 06, 2005, 08:57:55 AM
Yeah, does seem a bit strange, might just be some confusion with the background and lighting.  When I first looked at the pictures, I didn't understand what I was looking at, bit like a magic picture.

The All-round one looks very nice, the Circus-Tuning one just looks plain weird and the Wide Roller seems just like the Evo 1.  frank0072 - the Finesse wide axle was primarily for fingergrinds but it's not limited to that.  The extra width between the cups means you get less accidental string rubbing on the cups causing turning and moves like Fan are a bit easier.  Henrys having a wide axle would be the same in theory, but some people like the Circus shape and weight more than the Finesse, so the difference actually lies in the diabolo.

I might get some new hubs, the ones on at the moment are already seeing a few bashes after only a weekend of having them!  Damn Henrys and their cheap hubs on Circuses.

Chiok
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: martijn on December 06, 2005, 03:41:32 PM
Thanks for sharing that Sean_! Great to see they finally have different versions. I won't be needing them for a while, cause I already have teflon hubs. The Henry's wide axle looks a little smaller than the Finesse wide axle though. But it should work just as fine as the Finesse version.

Quote from: frank0072
Does anybody already know the price of the stuff?

Does this answer your question?

Quote from: seán_
go to http://www.henrys-online.de/Webshop/enter.html?lang=en-us and click news
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Valium on December 06, 2005, 03:49:43 PM
nice and interesting but too expensive
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Spooned on December 06, 2005, 03:57:05 PM
I <3 wide axels.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Sean on December 06, 2005, 04:10:38 PM
Argh! Now I want to try them all!

Thanks for sharing Seán... do you check the Henrys site every day!? ;)

Interesting that they don't seem to be selling the 'original' teflon hub - the one that comes with metal washers or hubs without axles and washers. Most people are just going to want to replace the hubs and nothing else. Money making scheme anyone?

Now, when is Henrys going to stop selling their diabolos with the crappy metal hubs?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Flo on December 06, 2005, 06:10:44 PM
Quote from: Ben

(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7058/wthub4fu.jpg)

My first thought was: "Damn, whats this?"
But after thinking a while I realised one problem I had with other wide axels and finger tricks: your fingers get really hot so you can't hold it for a long time.
With this gap, the problem should be solved because you dont touch the metal with your skin!

cya sparx
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Chiok on December 06, 2005, 06:38:33 PM
Quote from: Sean
Money making scheme anyone?

Now, when is Henrys going to stop selling their diabolos with the crappy metal hubs?
I think that says it all.  They're gonna keep making us shell out £25/$40/35 (i'm missing the sign for a Euro) for the diabolo and then make us spend another £18 buying replacement hubs for them.  Or does mashed up hubs count under their lifetime guarantee and they'll replace them for free...?

Does the more knowledgeable diaboloist really wanna spend more on their props to bring them to a standard at which they should already be.  I don't think anyone can say that it's an option, old crappy hubs, or new Poly hubs?  Hardly a choice now is it.  I'm just angry at all juggling manufacturers, they're never really looking out for the discerning juggler, I've got a gripe with all the major European ones...

Oh, and yes, thank you Seán for finding those lil gems.

Chiok
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on December 06, 2005, 07:03:40 PM
I saw the Allround one on the European Juggling Convention in Slovenia.
There I showed my Ultra Light Kit to another german guy, then he showed me the Allround axe which he tested for Henrys.
My first thought was the same as Ben´s, you must hit the axle piece.

The reason is that you should get no hot fingers, like sparx mentioned, but I think this could be solved also in an other way, see my website for this.

Price for each of henrys kits is 18€.

@sean
the original cones are out of Aluminium, but Henry sells still some out of POM (the price is about 5€ for one cone).
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Ben on December 06, 2005, 07:26:33 PM
Quote from: sparx
But after thinking a while I realised one problem I had with other wide axels and finger tricks: your fingers get really hot so you can't hold it for a long time.
With this gap, the problem should be solved because you dont touch the metal with your skin!

cya sparx


uhh but my thinking is what about cuts? id think that even if the edges are dull which they dont look like they are in the pic that that it would be quite uncomfortable... to basically have two ridges spinning really fast on your finger.. not shore it would work out..

I want to try one though but yeah way to expensive
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Matt_ on December 06, 2005, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: Chiok
Or does mashed up hubs count under their lifetime guarantee and they'll replace them for free...?


they're selling the metal hubs on the site too....ridiculous. at the very least, they should sell the "generic" plastic hubs (aka the ones that are the same dimensions as metal, they are just plastic).

man, the 3rd one looks really cool. seems like the 4erlei kit..

do you still use your original hardware with these? if they made lightweight washers and bolts i would definitely have to spring for these...
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Graham on December 06, 2005, 09:08:22 PM
Sorry for a noob question, but what is the advantage of the concave curve on the Allround hubs? I can see how wider hubs could help, but it seems to me as if the curve would be a disadvantge compared to the straight-edged wide hubs, as it would make it harder for the string to reach the axle when catching etc. Could someone clarify this for me?

phunky
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: seán_ on December 07, 2005, 12:08:47 AM
could the big gap/drop be just a trick of the light?

@ Sean: of course I'm on it every day... how else am I going to show my boss the importance of a confusing website for any juggling concern???  Actually Tahias post on jongle tipped me off.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: dynamaniac on December 07, 2005, 01:01:09 AM
i have two circuses with the teflon hubs and im broke. this stuff is absurdly expensive... ahhhh how much could plastic hubs cost to produce anyways?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Matt_ on December 07, 2005, 03:06:19 AM
Quote from: phunky
Sorry for a noob question, but what is the advantage of the concave curve on the Allround hubs? I can see how wider hubs could help, but it seems to me as if the curve would be a disadvantge compared to the straight-edged wide hubs, as it would make it harder for the string to reach the axle when catching etc. Could someone clarify this for me?

phunky


i've used JC's (very) curved henry's axles, and i really like them. the curved thing is cool because it's splendid for finger grinds whilst not having the "pressure" on the string like the G2's Evo1 kit....and there are no problems like you are guessing, at least none that i have when i used it.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: frank0072 on December 07, 2005, 09:06:24 AM
I think the gaps are a trick of the light aswell, that seems most logical to me.

By the way: does anybody know the material the axles are made of, my friend has all this machinery in his school so he might produce them himself, a lot cheaper :).
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Chiok on December 07, 2005, 12:57:11 PM
The axles are aluminium I believe, what grade I don't know.  As for the hubs (which i think you mean) I believe they call it POM, which is polyacetal in other places.  Check the RS catalogue for it I think.  If you read the other thread on MB handsticks, you'll know that manufacturers aren't big fans of letting people know what materials things are made of.

Anyway, support your fellow juggling equipment manufacturer!

Chiok
(I'm probably one of the last people to say that)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Flo on December 07, 2005, 12:57:43 PM
I think it's teflon
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Sean on December 07, 2005, 01:57:02 PM
Quote from: sparx
I think it's teflon

Teflon is just a brand name (by Dupont) for a similar plastic made by to that which seems to be used by the hub manufacturers. I'm not sure any of the manufacturers technically use teflon. Bit of a misnomer, eh?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on December 07, 2005, 06:10:31 PM
I use POM for my kits,
Henry use POM,
acrobat use POM,
4erlei use Teflon

Polyoxymethylen/Polyacetal = POM
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Chiok on December 07, 2005, 07:50:18 PM
Ah, that's what it stands for.  I always knew POM as polyacetal, but never saw how that related to POM in anyway.  Now I know, thanks!

The technical name for Teflon is PolyTetraFlouroEthylene or PTFE.  Normally comes in virgin (pure) or 25% glass filled for extra strength.  Commonly used for seals and low friction applications.  Has the lowest coefficient of friction of any solid material (about 0.05).

And there you go, and thanks JC for letting us know what material people use.

Chiok
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on December 07, 2005, 08:38:13 PM
I don´t like the teflon,
on one side because it is heavier
than POM (1,52g/cm³ - 1,39g/cm³)
and on the other it is
FCKW

and FCKW destroyes the atmosphere.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Arjan on December 07, 2005, 10:15:06 PM
Quote from: JC
I don´t like the teflon,
on one side because it is heavier
than POM (1,52g/cm³ - 1,39g/cm³)
and on the other it is
FCKW

and FCKW destroyes the atmosphere.


I am sorry to say, but us diabolist boycotting FCKW hubs will not help a lot saving the planet. It`s not like we set our hubs on fire.

Although I agree on your idealism, don`t forget realism.

Isn`t POM stronger than the teflon? Correct me if I`m wrong, but that would be a good reason.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on December 07, 2005, 11:02:13 PM
Please do not misunderstood me,
I want not to say that diaboloists should boycotting other hubs.

It is only my own feeling against it.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: frank0072 on December 08, 2005, 01:05:49 AM
I was talking about the axles, and about the tips of the sticks, because they tend to dent (if that's the word), there should be material that isn't so soft that it gets rough edges when it collides with stone, concrete or any stuff what streets are made off...
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: martijn on December 08, 2005, 12:48:07 PM
Well, I'd go fot that teflon/POM stuff as top cones, they are not as rough and sharp as alumium for the string. Good luck on that...
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: maxticket on February 28, 2006, 06:31:18 AM
This is probably an old thread, but I rarely ever visit these forums.

According to the FireToys site, for many of these axles, you still use your own roller (the beveled piece), so that gap you see, that's because they don't include the roller in the kit, but there won't be a gap when it's all installed.

Matt Hall gave sent me to a custom axle guy in Germany, but that guy never got back to me, so I'm in the market for a couple of these axles. And I can't figure out which user Matt Hall is on these boards (if he's on them at all), so does anybody know which of these new Henrys axles are most similar to his custom axles? I believe they were quite a bit longer, like twice as long as the Twist set. I just want to make sure I get a decent axle for the money I'm gonna shell out--which, by the way, is all student loan money. Oh, silly grad students.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Matt_ on February 28, 2006, 07:56:02 AM
are you talking about 4erlei, or JC? 4erlei are the ones that he's been using since 2003, they are straight-angled and white, and the JC ones are rounded, black, and they are newer. i've used them both and the 4erlei kit is the one i prefer, however the JC kit lets you do finger grinds very easily (and i think its lighter) so that is personal preference.

anywho, i just bought these hubs (http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/tuning_kit_circus_giant_.html) and i am anxiously awaiting delivery. as far as i know, these are as close as you can get to the fabled 4erlei hubs (wider, plastic, etc). the main thing here is the width--if you want severe weight reduction, get the ultralight or the twist, or JC's set (http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/black_extended_axle_tuning_kit_circus_260g.html#ajk_2fextnd) (in beautiful black, no less).

oh yeah, his username is Matt. just Matt. there are many matts (yeah even me) but he is the king of all Matts on this message board...ok I totally made that up.

PS. about the student loan money...back when i was in high school (not that long ago), my english teacher told me to get a big student loan, and go to Europe with that money. i suppose buying diabolo stuff is a worthy cause too. you dont need that money for school...  :roll:
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Chiok on February 28, 2006, 09:33:21 AM
Matt Hall has tried the JC Ultra-Leicht kit and I was led to believe he really liked them.  Though I do now remember that his hubs are white and JC isn't in the market for white hubs just yet.  The black is a nice touch I think, a good contrast to most diabolos.

I'm gonna look for some, at some time.  Think I might like a lil reduction in weight, but I'm not sure.  I'm still happy with the bog standard metal hubs on my circuses, they're doing fine, barring any hard knocks.

Chiok
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: tommi on February 28, 2006, 09:56:25 AM
I dont know about 4erlei or JC kits but I own two Henry's  Allround (http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/tuning_kit_circus_all_round_.html) sets and there sure is the gap. But it's not a problem at all, the string actually tangled more often with stock hubs. Weight reduction is also as 50g which is same as the ultralight or the twist. So my Circuses (250g) are lighter than a normal G2 (254g) :P . The shape of the hubs are really great for grinds and I just love the way my diabs look compared to a normal Henry's Circus.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Chiok on February 28, 2006, 12:48:50 PM
They look like nice axles, nice and smooth if not perfectly curved like the JC hubs.  But why would there be a gap by the hub?  Did they not measure it correctly when they made them?  I would expect it to fit like the old hubs, just wider.

Chiok
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Matt_ on February 28, 2006, 06:08:45 PM
Quote from: Chiok
I'm gonna look for some, at some time.  Think I might like a lil reduction in weight, but I'm not sure.  I'm still happy with the bog standard metal hubs on my circuses, they're doing fine, barring any hard knocks.


man, you have to get the plastic hubs--you'll never go back. even if you just get the "standard" hubs, which is just replacing metal with plastic (and not new hardware or widening or anything) you'll notice a drastic improvement, not only in weight, but your string catches less, grinds are smoother, your string doesnt wear out as fast, and it looks cooler ;)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: maxticket on March 01, 2006, 05:48:28 AM
Yeah, it was the 4erlei that Matt pointed me to. From what I recall, they looked more like Henrys Twist axles, but I only saw them once. All I know is I want my Circuses wider and lighter in the middle, so the All Around looks pretty good.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Chiok on March 01, 2006, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: Matt_
man, you have to get the plastic hubs--you'll never go back. even if you just get the "standard" hubs ... you'll notice a drastic improvement, not only in weight, but your string catches less, grinds are smoother, your string doesnt wear out as fast, and it looks cooler ;)
Personally, I'm liking the weight at the moment, after finding my Finesses so light and starting right at the beginning on a jumbo harlequin.  But I'm gonna have a bash at making some of my own when I get the time.  We've got lathes here at work and plenty of PTFE (teflon) that I can work with.  I've got a design drawn out which is similar to the allround.  First I've gotta find an attachment long enough for my socket bits to undo the nuts on my circuses...

Chiok
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on March 01, 2006, 04:51:03 PM
My really round axe kit is also available in Finland now

DIABOLO - HENRYS CIRCUS ( ULK-erikoisakseli )

Henrys Circus diabolo, jossa on valmiiksi vaihdettuna
Jürgen Kreiszin tekmä Ultra Leicht Kit diaboloakseli,
joka leventää ja keventää.


http://sirkussirkus.com/putiikki/pindex.html
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Scooby on March 09, 2006, 12:25:02 PM
hey guys.

i was looking to buy some Circus axels and i dont know which ones to buy.
 
i dont know the names.

If anyone Knows Jonas(sorry if i spelt it wrong) who was at the Sjc2006  
and he is from France.  

   there the type of Axels im looking for.

sorry if i couldnt be anymore helpful with that one.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Valium on March 09, 2006, 01:46:01 PM
why not just look at the firetoys homepage and see which one you're searching for
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Scooby on March 09, 2006, 02:03:22 PM
i tried that..   the problem is i dont know the name.. :?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Valium on March 09, 2006, 02:25:09 PM
but dont you know how the axle looks  :roll:
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: frank0072 on March 09, 2006, 07:29:07 PM
a friend of mine made this for me: I will get it this week so then i can try it out. Does it look like the real axles? *(it's only the axle that is different by the way, not the hubs and stuff)


(http://www.techzine.nl/f/g/22654phpjmt2wb.jpg)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: fredo on March 09, 2006, 08:07:20 PM
omg, this will be stupidly heavy...And beware of plugging for ati and intel :wink:
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: frank0072 on March 09, 2006, 08:26:03 PM
Quote from: fredo
omg, this will be stupidly heavy...And beware of plugging for ati and intel :wink:


it won't be heavy, only the axle is another material then the original. I use teflon hubs on my Circusses, the ones on the photo are the original ones. The only difference between the two is the length of the axle.
SO my question was: is there a big difference between my custom axle and the orginal wide axle?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: fredo on March 09, 2006, 08:43:37 PM
that was a misunderstanding...it wasn't clear for me that you use teflon hubs...and of course it's different, it's a unicate your friend made for you :wink:
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Matt_ on March 10, 2006, 01:19:46 AM
Quote from: frank0072
SO my question was: is there a big difference between my custom axle and the orginal wide axle?


yes, because there is no "original" wide axle for the circus, just custom fabrications (such as yours). there are wide hubs, yes, but not wide axles.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: martijn on March 10, 2006, 03:33:16 PM
Quote from: Matt_
there are wide hubs, yes, but not wide axles.

How about this one Matt? :wink:

(http://www.henrys-online.de/Webshop/contents/media/J93140.jpg)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: frank0072 on March 10, 2006, 09:55:48 PM
Martijn, you are becoming some kind of Oracle here, watch out it doesn't make you arrogant ;)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: martijn on March 10, 2006, 10:02:22 PM
Sorry, I don't quite get what you are trying to say? Matt said something wrong, and I wanted to tell him he was wrong, to prevent further confusion in this thread. I'm sorry if you thought I was being arrogant, because that wasn't my intention at all.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Matt_ on March 11, 2006, 12:49:34 AM
thanks for the correction, Tijn, i forgot about the Twist.

anyway, i put on my "Giant" kit today, and i have to say, after a bit of testing, i dont like it much.

i LOVE the lightweight washers. brilliant!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/hushypushy/juggling/giant001.jpg)

however, i've come to the conclusion that i'm not a fan of widened diabolos. it's easier for me to throw in a narrow diabolo. grinds (finger and stick) are great though.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/hushypushy/juggling/giant002.jpg)

the main thing that bugs me is this.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/hushypushy/juggling/giant003.jpg)

for those of you wondering, the 4erlei kit is A LOT narrower. it actually matches the hub. this has a weird feeling of the string inside that gap, i dunno, it's odd.

i've decided i just like the plain, narrow henry's (sorry Hall-sensei!). i like the ultra light plastic washers, but i cant see myself slapping down another  30 or 40 bucks just to make all my circuses the same (aka, all "ultralight"). ill probably just sell the Giant kit and buy the standard Henry's plastic hubs kit (with the metal washers) so i can go back to using 3D with the Circuses.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on March 11, 2006, 11:28:38 AM
Yuk.  I played with a Henry's prototype some time last year (probably the Berlin fest) and it had the same odd step.  It seems such an obvious thing to need to get right, but perhaps not.

I'm happy with my ultralights.  I bought them from Akrobat, so I think they're very similar to the Henry's kit, but not the exact same ones.  My other three Henry's still have the wide 4erlei kit on them, but they seem really huge and cumbersome now I'm used to the ultralights.  I can use ultralights a lot longer than standard Henry's.  But I do like the extra width for some things, so I'll probably buy some JC axles for my old set of Henry's.  But then it seems there's more choice than that...
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: frank0072 on March 11, 2006, 11:37:35 AM
a question about the washers. Is it possible to buy those in Teflon, or are they for sale at the local hardwarestore or something? I was just thinking about that, so does anyone already know?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on March 11, 2006, 02:04:37 PM
@barnesy
"But then it seems there's more choice than that..."

I coudn´t imagine that!

@frank0072
The big washers are no standard parts.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Chiok on March 11, 2006, 11:21:18 PM
Good lord Matt_, those are hideous.  See, I wondered when I saw those photos on the Firetoys website whether that step was just a trick of the photo or actually like that.  Oh dear.  Thanks for letting us know though.  I really thought someone would think about it more carefully.  That step must cause some serious string rubbing because it's trapped inbetween the two hubs.

As for the non-metal washers, I think if you looked about in a hardware / plumbing store with a Henrys washer, you might be able to find something similar to swap them with.  Not to put JC out of business, but just if you're willing to look.  

I think I'd definitely like to try some lighter kits.  I'm still not sure if I like wide-axle kits or not, can't appreciate the natural instability of diabolos as it is.

Chiok
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Matt_ on March 13, 2006, 09:15:45 AM
barnesy: yeah, i agree it's pretty obvious. i mean seriously, who tests these things? how come i wasn't part of this decision? well maybe because i live in america, but seriously, who tests this?

frank0072: just get any sort of washers. the cool thing about the Henry's stuff is it's an exact width. so just match up the sizes, and you can basically replace it with anything (very easily). even better, if you're really cool about it, get your own bolt/nut/washer setup.

Chiok: yeah, seriously---i never saw any "real" pics so i decided to take the plunge. i wish i hadn't, but at least now the entire world can see how fat and hideous these hubs are, not to mention the gap. oh, and about the wide hub thing---wide axle kits are the unstable ones, i hate doing 2D with two G2s w/evo1...but actually, wide hubs are very stable, so that's not a worry. i guess the main attractions of plastic hubs/parts are light weight and not destroying your string/hubs/sticks with metal on metal (which is basically the same thing people have been saying for years, but since you're still on the metal hub train, i have to keep repeating this to get you to switch to the good side :P)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on March 24, 2006, 05:06:19 PM
Time to drag this thread back to life, I think.

Has anyone actually tried the allround kit?  I'm tempted to try it on the set of Circus I'm about to buy, but I'm a bit worried about the drop between the hub and the axle.  But then I think it doesn't look as pronounced as on the others.

I've just emailed Henrys to ask if they'll sell me three Circus with the allround kit already fitted, so I don't have to pay for the bits I'll never use.  I have six spare aluminium Henrys middles already - I don't want more!  I've been pleased with their service before, so I'm hoping they'll have a good answer.  If it comes down to it, I might just have to order three axle kits and six replacement half shells!

Dave
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Matt_ on March 24, 2006, 07:00:04 PM
make sure to take pics of it!

im interested in the ultralight...only because it's what i have, but lighter. too bad that'd be about 60 bucks to upgrade my three diabolos..ugh.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on March 24, 2006, 07:44:48 PM
Yup, will be sure to take pics if (OK, when...) I get some.  I do really like the ultralights, but I like the idea of a little extra width too.  And it seems wrong to buy another set with the same axles if I can manage to add another type to my collection!
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: tommi on March 24, 2006, 08:32:01 PM
I have allround sets in my 2 henrys diabs. I really like them since the weight is something like 50g lighter. Also the the widenes is great for finger grinds. I don't know if the curve in the hubs really has any advantages (grinds maybe) but I think it looks great. I can get some pics for tomorow if you want to see some. Wide hubs are also very stable unlike what I have heard about wide axles.. Good for 2d I think too (tought I can only speed up a little and do some corrections, but that what matters, right?)

But anyways, if you want pics, let me know.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on March 25, 2006, 01:29:14 PM
Do you use the original ones from Henrys?
I am interested to see a photo.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: tommi on March 25, 2006, 04:07:27 PM
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7571/kuva0018mh.jpg)
Stock hubs on the left and allrounds on the right.
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7210/kuva0035tz.jpg)
This is what seems to bother many people, but everything works great, the gap is not a problem!
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6810/kuva0049go.jpg)
The Allround set comes with lighter washers, but the smaller ones are really soft and I couldn't get diabolos tight enough so I replaced the small blacks with the original small washers and now its all good.
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1897/kuva0028fl.jpg)
Mmm.. so pretty..
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: frank0072 on March 25, 2006, 04:18:09 PM
they look really awsome. How much did you pay for it?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: tommi on March 25, 2006, 04:52:43 PM
I have two sets and they were 16,5€ each. My two Circis are worth of 87€ now, scary..

I don't know if they might be cheaper somewhere, but at least I didn't have to pay for shipping because I live five minutes walk from a nice little shop that sells all kinds of juggling equipment (and wigs :roll: ) I love the shop cause I never have to wait for a packet to arrive if I want some new toys. Bit off-topic, sorry..
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on March 25, 2006, 05:22:08 PM
Btw, for 87€ you could have
3 new modified circus diabolos from my side;-)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on March 25, 2006, 06:01:16 PM
JC, are they still only available in black?  I'd much prefer them to be white.  The price sounds very good, but I'm not sure I want that much width, which is why I think I'm still more tempted by the allround kits.  I'm thinking about it though.

Your site is broken in Safari and Camino by the way.  Some of the page links are done like this: '../html/page.html' when in the case of the ones I just looked at, they could just be 'page.html'.  Those links don't work, and I'm not keen enough to look at the source to view each page!
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on March 25, 2006, 07:35:26 PM
please try it with the Internet Explorer,
they are only available in black.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on March 25, 2006, 07:46:19 PM
I'm afraid that's not how it works.  I don't have IE, and I don't want it.  If your page only works in IE, it'll lose you business.  Anyway, I'm going way off topic here.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Graham on March 25, 2006, 10:35:41 PM
For what it's worth, JC, It's broken in Firefox as well. On the calatogue page only the handsticks link works.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: -Leo- on March 26, 2006, 10:22:44 AM
That's what he meant it works in IE and not firefox.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: SDM on March 27, 2006, 10:00:38 AM
Does anyone know about the "Custom black ultra light curved extended axle kit" on firetoys.com? It looks pretty good for everything I can think of

http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/black_extended_axle_tuning_kit_circus_260g.html#ajk_2fextnd

I would post a picture but I don't know how. The hubs are very curvy. Like the all round tuning kit except a smoother deeper curve. It looks great for finger grinds but more versatile than a wide roller[/url]
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on March 27, 2006, 10:35:52 AM
Those are the ones JC was talking about earlier in this thread.  They're available from him and from Firetoys.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on March 27, 2006, 11:08:22 AM
Here is a photo that you could see how they look like if they are mounted.

(http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/12/3173012/800_3037623166393730.jpg)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: fredo on March 27, 2006, 12:27:32 PM
Looks like a MB diab... will consieder getting two kits, but the ultralight ones seem better for me (I'm a finfinesse player :P )
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on March 27, 2006, 06:35:20 PM
Why should it look like a MB Diabolo?
The cups are original ones from Henrys!
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: fredo on March 27, 2006, 09:43:40 PM
I meant that it looks similar to a MB diab cause of the black axle!
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on March 29, 2006, 05:07:16 PM
My allround axles and another Circus arrived yesterday.  I've only been able to have a quick play with them (I'm taking them to the sports centre tonight!), but I think I already like them a lot.

They feel quite similar to ultralights - the extra width is noticeable but not significant.  Correction is slightly different, but is much less noticeably different than with my Akrobat wide hubs.  Fans and tricks with a lot of string on the axle feel a lot nicer.  The step down from the hub to the axle doesn't seem to matter at all.  I didn't have any trouble getting 10+ second finger grinds.  That's not really a trick I'm into, but they seem to work well.

I didn't get a reply from Henrys (or haven't yet, after 5 days).  I'm disappointed by that - I'd have thought they'd be more helpful.

I'd post pictures of the allround axles, but Tommi's pictures earlier in this thread are fine.

So now I have Red White and Blue* Circusses.  Hmm, people will think I'm Dutch.  Or even French...


*  And one yellow and three luminous...
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: martijn on March 29, 2006, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: barnesy
So now I have Red White and Blue* Circusses.  Hmm, people will think I'm Dutch.

Anything wrong with that? :P You are going to the Dutch convention every year :)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on March 29, 2006, 05:21:43 PM
Quote from: Martijn
Quote from: barnesy
So now I have Red White and Blue* Circusses.  Hmm, people will think I'm Dutch.

Anything wrong with that? :P You are going to the Dutch convention every year :)

Heh!  There are worse alternatives, I suppose.  I can't make it to the Dutch this year sadly - Bungay is too nice a convention to want to miss any of it.  I'd probably feel more guilty if I was missing the Dutch to go to Berlin!  I assume all the conventions happening that week will still be OK.  It's a shame I can only do one - last year I did all three of the ones I just mentioned.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: seán_ on March 30, 2006, 02:04:23 AM
I wouldnt take those three diabolos to Millstreet Barnesy ;), I miss my green G2 I had plans for it in Ireland.

Glad to hear the step doesnt seem to hurt! Has anyone got an allround on its side yet?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Sean on March 30, 2006, 07:15:29 AM
Dave, I'd be interested to hear your opinion on these after a bit more use. How did they fair at the gym? Any idea what hand launching them into a high pattern is like (backhanded)?
Quote from: barnesy
So now I have Red White and Blue* Circusses.  Hmm, people will think I'm Dutch.  Or even French...

or American. :P

Strangely, even when I was at the Henrys factory outlet they couldn't sell a diabolo with plastic hubs. I was given the option of waiting a day for 6 replacement cups and 3 hubs to be brought over from the factory which I could buy separately and combine myself.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on March 30, 2006, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: Sean
Dave, I'd be interested to hear your opinion on these after a bit more use. How did they fair at the gym? Any idea what hand launching them into a high pattern is like (backhanded)?


Yup, I still like them!  I had some nice 3 low runs with them, which is the thing that matters most to me at the moment.  The amount of extra width seems right - almost like they're not wide axles at all, but they still have the benefits of wide axles.  I guess they wouldn't call them 'all round' kits otherwise!

I only ever go to high patterns from 2 low or from a rocket start, so I can't comment on hand launching them.  But if you mean a high version of this sort of throw: http://2diabolo.net/media/2in1handthrowin.mpg they seem fine.  There's just enough extra width to let you get your middle finger right on the axle, which I think will give more control and better spin.


Quote from: Sean

Quote from: barnesy
So now I have Red White and Blue* Circusses.  Hmm, people will think I'm Dutch.  Or even French...

or American. :P

Oof, steady on!   :P


Quote from: Sean

Strangely, even when I was at the Henrys factory outlet they couldn't sell a diabolo with plastic hubs. I was given the option of waiting a day for 6 replacement cups and 3 hubs to be brought over from the factory which I could buy separately and combine myself.


Very odd.  It feels cynical to accuse them of profiteering, but I don't see a reason to be that inflexible.  And to make things worse, they want to charge more for the aluminium axle kits than they charge for the decent ones!  

Dave
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Chiok on March 30, 2006, 10:06:09 PM
I've just had a go at trying to make a set of Allround kits after work today and I have to say, it's not that easy.  I had them drawn out and everything but just couldn't turn them out.  Definitely something easier to do on a CNC lathe.

And they were going so well..

I might just have to buy some... *sigh*

Chiok
(damn, can't look at diabolo.ca/forum at work...)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: The Void on March 30, 2006, 10:47:22 PM
Quote from: Sean

Quote from: barnesy
So now I have Red White and Blue* Circusses.  Hmm, people will think I'm Dutch.  Or even French...

or American. :P


Or Russian etc etc

The Void
..................
Nyet, ya koshka!
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on March 31, 2006, 07:46:26 AM
Quote from: barnesy

I didn't get a reply from Henrys (or haven't yet, after 5 days).  I'm disappointed by that - I'd have thought they'd be more helpful.


A quick update: I've just received a reply from Henrys, telling me to order the diabolos and the axle kits seperately.  Pretty useless.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Scooby on March 31, 2006, 08:57:20 AM
i dont really understand



are they good or not,    the gap bettween the hubs and the axel look brutal..
(another californian word i learnt from sensai :lol: )

or should i just get a tuning kit?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on March 31, 2006, 09:08:00 AM
They're all tuning kits.  Just different ones.  

Are you asking if they're any good after reading what I wrote?  I thought I was pretty positive about them!  

The gap looks worrying, but I don't think I've ever noticed it while using them.   I guess they're shaped like that so the plastic can be thicker at that point, so stronger.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: William on March 31, 2006, 11:01:35 AM
Quote from: The Void
Quote from: Sean

Quote from: barnesy
So now I have Red White and Blue* Circusses.  Hmm, people will think I'm Dutch.  Or even French...

or American. :P

Or Russian etc etc

OR AN AUSSIE!!!  :D
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: frank0072 on March 31, 2006, 11:34:38 AM
this kind of talk might be a little offtopic.. mods!
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: john_s on March 31, 2006, 12:40:15 PM
bringing things back a little, i have a question about the henrys ultralight kit. one of the main reasons that i've been so dedicated to finesses is the weight, as i have a damaged shoulder caused from juggling no less - a couple of hours with a finesse is fine, but i get a bit fatigued and uncomfortable with the circus.

what i want to know before i hand over my hard earned cash is do these kits compromise what makes the circus so great in any way? what i mean is, i think part of the reason circuses are so stable and spin for so long without needing correction is due to the inital weight. something about weight and momentum which i don't really understand but vaguely get the concept. surely knocking 50g off, making it not only 250g but 4g less than a finesse will have some impact on this? or is the whole stability issue more to due with the rubber cups and the shape of the cups, different centrifugal force etc?

i just want to make sure that if i do part with £25, which is a lot of money, i'll still have pretty much the same old reliable circus that we all know and love. just lighter.

/john, looking forward to actually being able to use 2 circuses for more than 15 minutes
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Scooby on March 31, 2006, 12:42:06 PM
im thinking of getting this one

http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/Black__Extended_Axle_Tuning_kit__Circus___286g.html#aAK_2fTK1_2fbk
(sorry no picture)

is this very similar to the 4erlei kits?

the gap still worries me a bit though..   and the fact that ill be probably the only person in australia with a wider circus than everyone else,  so i cant try it out before hand..      (but that must make me cooler  8) )

i wish i was in france... :lol:
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on March 31, 2006, 02:11:35 PM
Scooby: Yes, that is very similar to the 4erlei kit.

John_s: They are a bit different.  To start with, I thought that ultralights didn't keep their speed as well as unmodified Circusses do, but now I think that's either not true, or if it is true, it's not noticeable.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Scooby on March 31, 2006, 03:22:07 PM
thanks for that.


i was a bit confused about it all.

 :D

hopefully i can buy 2 of these soon.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Graham on March 31, 2006, 03:55:30 PM
Scooby: What gap are you referring to? That kit doesn't produce a gap - at least not between the hubs and the axle. There's only a gap in the picture cause they're showing you what you get in the kit - and you don't get axle with it, you use the existing one. You get the hubs which just go in place of your normal hubs and a longer bolt to accomodate them.
Or am I misinterpreting you?  :roll:
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Scooby on March 31, 2006, 04:11:53 PM
:o     i didnt realise that.  

Thankyou for pointing that out.


I am definatly getting them now.

i thaught it looked a little rough :lol:
Title: Changing color of henrys axles
Post by: uiek on April 04, 2006, 09:34:34 AM
Y-day I received parcel from Henrys with some juggling stuff, and part of it were my tunning sets for diabolos.

I am very happy with them, but they have one big disadvantage - they are white! Of coure I have known it while ordering, but I had no idea that they will look so awful in my red-green circuses (I am used to my old black teflon axles from Czech Republic).

That is why I'd like to ask do You have any good idea whoy should I do in order to change it colour? Or should I get used to it?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: barnesy on April 04, 2006, 10:10:10 AM
I think you will have to get used to it.  I would be surprised if you could permanently change the colour of that material without damaging it.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: uiek on April 05, 2006, 11:44:28 AM
as I thought :/ If anyone finds good way to change color of the axles - Please let me know :)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Sean on April 11, 2006, 05:24:26 PM
Quote from: john_s
...i have a question about the henrys ultralight kit....
what i want to know before i hand over my hard earned cash is do these kits compromise what makes the circus so great in any way? what i mean is, i think part of the reason circuses are so stable and spin for so long without needing correction is due to the inital weight.

John, back to this question:
Basically angular momentum (and hence stability) is a function of the proportion of weight away from the axle. Increase the weight near the axle and you create a diabolo that is less stable and takes more energy to move around - dead weight. This fact has been well known in the yo-yo industry and community for a long time but is still largely ignored by diabolists.

I couldn't come up with anything great... but a quick google search came up with this:
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040417/bob9.asp

Honestly though, I'm not sure I can notice a big difference between plain plastic hubs and the ultra-light kit.

On a side note - I just received a set of ultra-lights. Strangely, they decided to make the aluminum bolt longer than the original steel bolt and make the washers thicker (maybe so they are strong enough). Anyway, the bolt seems to be too long. If I tighten the nuts all the way the cups can still freely spin. I have to add extra spacers on the bolt to be able to tighten the diabolo properly. It seems strange they would make such a glaring error in engineering these. Also, the hole in the hubs is also a bit larger and the bolt is a bit wider so that I couldn't just re-use my previous hubs.

Anyone with similar or different experiences?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Scooby on April 13, 2006, 05:17:37 AM
argh, that doesnt sound good..


has anyone baught the extended axel tuning kit?

thats what im getting, but before i do- i dont want to run the risk of getting really bad axels for my diabolos and paying heaps for them.

Thankyou.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: tommi on April 13, 2006, 12:46:30 PM
@Scooby: You mean the twist set, right? My cousin bought that one just couple a days ago. But he only wanted the plastic hubs so he used the old bolt and old axle. (The set with normal axle is the same price so he kinda got the extended axle for free..) Anyways I'm seeing him on sunday and I relly wish to try henrys with extended axle.

@Sean: I pretty similiar problems with my allround sets, I couldn't get the cups tight enough. I dont know ih the bolt was too long, but I felt the problem was the small black washers. Even that they are bit thicker than the originals, they are so goddamn soft that tightening felt imposible. Now I use the stock small washers, and they work nicely.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: fredo on April 13, 2006, 04:16:03 PM
I ordered two sets of Ultralight kits, too and will post when I've got them... Doesn't sound good, though...Hope I won't have problems
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on April 13, 2006, 04:36:13 PM
@sean

This was a very good explanation,
but I didn´t know before that the yoyo-manufacturers
more concerned this fact than the diabolo-manufacturers.
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Chiok on April 13, 2006, 11:10:32 PM
I meant to say something about this before, with the tuning kits.  Even though it makes the diabolo lighter, you still get the same spin since the more weight is at the rims than at the centre just like Sean explained.

Yoyos need the extra spin because they weigh next to nothing so heavy rims are a neccesity, diabolos not so much.  But it's still a good trait to have.

Of course I like the extra weight because hovers are easier and everything just has a bit more oomph to it than with Finesses.  

Chiok
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: Matt_ on April 13, 2006, 11:14:09 PM
yeah, but lightweight hubs combined with the Henry's cups is a dynamic duo...if only i could find Finesse style wide hubs* for my Henry's.


*what i mean by that might not be so obvious at first. go to your stock Henry's and compare it to a stock G2. the finesse doesnt have wide hubs, but they are wider than a Henry's. if i could have an ultralight kit for henry's wit that type of hubs i'd probably switch back to circuses for good.....
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: fredo on April 27, 2006, 03:18:49 PM
OK, I forgot that I wanted to reply :P , but it's the same here: i can't tighten the nuts and the diabolo unscrews after a while...So I'll have to make the bolts a bit shorter :roll:  Crazy anyway...
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: uiek on April 28, 2006, 11:00:11 PM
I had the same problem and I exchanged small washer to an ariginal metal one. But my axle has been modified my me :D Now I have something I call Diabolo MUTANT ;)
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: mango on September 04, 2006, 12:27:01 AM
will the circus with ultralight tuning kit "turn" when doing wrap accelerations ?
Title: New Henrys axles
Post by: JC on September 04, 2006, 04:50:25 PM
If you do the wrapped accelerations in the right way it works,
there is no difference between light axes like my own axe or Henrys and the old metal axe.
Additional I think with wide axes it is easier to do.
Title: Re: New Henrys axles
Post by: Drumbody on January 11, 2007, 11:11:57 PM
Can i ask if anyone has bought the wide axle version. And what do they think of it? In terms of control, stability and finger grinding etc. Because i'm stuck between the "Ultra leicht" kits or the henry's wide axle. Which is the overall best those who have bought them.
Title: Re: New Henrys axles
Post by: Chiok on January 12, 2007, 12:26:43 AM
Ultra Leicht kits don't have a wide axle, just wider hubs (except he's made regular width kits now which look awesome) and the wide axle is exactly that like the Finesse Evo1.  I would personally go with the Ultra Leicht because the increase in performance you'll receive from having more space around the axle is much better than having more axle.

Better to have wider hubs than a wider axle in my opinion.

Chiok
(who loves the Gear section)
Title: Re: New Henrys axles
Post by: Matt D on January 12, 2007, 04:57:03 AM
I got the Wide Axsle and it is great.The hubs are good and the axle is really good. Due to the wider axle you would think it is harder to control but it isnt! It is really good and easy to do finger grinds on, and is all around a good diabolo.
Title: Re: New Henrys axles
Post by: Drumbody on January 12, 2007, 07:54:11 AM
That's all good but whats the finger grinding like on the ultra-leicht?
Title: Re: New Henrys axles
Post by: Matt_ on January 12, 2007, 10:15:37 AM
It's very easy and very smooth.
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