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Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 16, 2006, 05:47:30 PM
I know what you guys are thinking: "will he ever stop?!", well the answer is... no :)

Some time ago I finally found the correct technique (for me at least) to do excalibur genocides. After I learnt the basic one, I tried variations and they worked pretty well too. Then I realised there wasn't a very good tutorial on how to do them (perhaps because it is such an advanced trick). So, since it all is fresh in my memory, and I like making video's, here it is... I also came up with the idea to make a version for both righties and lefties. This might be the future for tutorials... If it doesn't matter, or if it is confusing (because you're used to make that switch in your mind) for you lefties, please let me know. I'd be happy to hear what you guys think.

Direct download (righties)
http://circusplanet.net/diabolo/video/excgentut_righties.avi (http://circusplanet.net/diabolo/video/excgentut_righties.avi) (29,1 MB)

Streaming (righties)
http://juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=bcfe8450a1a41c200364 (http://juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=bcfe8450a1a41c200364)
http://juggletube.com/mediadetails.php?key=751cf3f247855f937b98 (http://juggletube.com/mediadetails.php?key=751cf3f247855f937b98)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9XsmdRrKP9A#hq (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9XsmdRrKP9A#hq)

Direct download (lefties)
http://circusplanet.net/diabolo/video/excgentut_lefties.avi (http://circusplanet.net/diabolo/video/excgentut_lefties.avi) (30 MB)

Streaming (lefties)
http://juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=71ff252c1903e7132cd6 (http://juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=71ff252c1903e7132cd6)
http://juggletube.com/mediadetails.php?key=4aa3ad78bdd6b366cc17 (http://juggletube.com/mediadetails.php?key=4aa3ad78bdd6b366cc17)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NVU7i_rNgiA#lq-hq (http://youtube.com/watch?v=NVU7i_rNgiA#lq-hq)
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: TimEllis on August 16, 2006, 06:32:20 PM
Wow I could've used this video a couple months ago!  I learned excal. genocides from watching Silver Creek videos repeatedly.  Great tutorial.  Very well put together.
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Marc on August 16, 2006, 10:31:56 PM
nice tutorial. i have just learnt excalibur genocides, do u need a lot of speed to do do the continuous genocides because when i get past the first one my diabolo has no spin or is it just my technique?
thanks
marc
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 16, 2006, 10:44:57 PM
I showed the continuous genocides with my Spinabolo, because it loses spin a lot slower, which makes it easier to do several in a row. I can do 3 in a row with a Circus before it becomes too unstable. I think it's a combination of giving it enough speed and having the right technique (unwrapping asap, keeping it straight? I dunno). Tr'espace can do like 5 in a row easily with a Circus, perfect control. Amazing.

But hey, Nev found a way to make a Fan last forever, perhaps someone will find a way to do excalibur genocides forever!
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Magnus on August 17, 2006, 12:08:24 AM
Very nice tutorial! :)

Only hope I'll be good enough too make use of it some day :P I want to learn exalibur soon, but I'm focusing on 2d atm :)
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: William on August 17, 2006, 07:10:45 AM
Quote from: Martijn
But hey, Nev found a way to make a Fan last forever, perhaps someone will find a way to do excalibur genocides forever!


Or a never-ending Vertax Fan!  8)  :P
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Matt_ on August 17, 2006, 07:37:01 AM
ooh, nice video, very in depth.

the lefty vid is the same one, but reversed, yeah?

btw, no chance of ever getting your vids on youtube, eh? i guess on my normal comp it doesn't make a difference, but on this computer (slow, small hard drive) i just download vids and delete them right after, so streaming is nice...
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 17, 2006, 11:52:07 AM
Quote from: Matt_
the lefty vid is the same one, but reversed, yeah?

Yup, so if you aren't a lefty (I would like to hear from them what they think about the idea), please do not download both (this is to all righthanded members :P).

Quote from: Matt_
btw, no chance of ever getting your vids on youtube, eh?

I was considering it, but I didn't really see why it was necessary. Then I figured out it's not necessary, but just useful for some folks. So I'm gonna try today, make my account, upload my latest videos... It'll provide a good summary of my video's I think. EDIT: They're all up now at http://youtube.com/profile?user=martijnhalekor
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: nev on August 17, 2006, 02:16:16 PM
Quote from: Marc
do u need a lot of speed to do do the continuous genocides because when i get past the first one my diabolo has no spin or is it just my technique?

Like Tijn said its a combination of both - the more spin you start with the more you'll be able to do if your technique is right.  Keeping things perfectly vertical is most important or you'll be scrubbing speed off on the hubs and keep the catch as clean as possible (as horizontal as you can with no up or down movement on the string / handstick).  And unwrap early

Quote from: Tijn
perhaps someone will find a way to do excalibur genocides forever!

Had'nt concidered this one (I usually use a rachet as well for vertax) so I tried with my circus and try after try could also only get 3 - then I applied the following thoughts:
right after the stopover very quickly (so as not to cause friction) move your hands so the diab is near the right stick (for righty's) then steadily pull into the genocide (applying spin as you pull) - then as you catch & unwrap get the diab near to the right stick quickly again for another spin applying pull - takes a bit of getting used too and doesnt add "much" spin but even a little bit more helps right? - after a few minutes I pulled off 4 & almost made 5  :o - a lot harder is to do away the wrap on the catch - unwrap before the string fully wraps (do it as you swap hands & before you catch the other stick) so its almost like a regular suicide.  This is very hit and miss for me so far but when I get one right there is noticably more spin carried over.

Quote from: Whillzy
Or a never-ending Vertax Fan!

I do hope you were joking there. Not with normal diabolos anyway - even if you could constantly correct them to keep them straight the friction on the hubs required to do so would scrub off so much spin.

With 2 ratchets however it is possible (but damn hard).  The main difficulty is as stated above - the need to constantly correct them due to the extra gravitational forces involved.  My record is about 6 seconds of fan & I managed an exit once only!

EDIT - forgot to say nice work on the tutorial Tijn :oops: its very clearly laid out - I'm sure I will help a lot of people get the buzz of landing their first one.
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: fredo on August 17, 2006, 02:45:26 PM
wow, nice tutorial! since I only can do btb ones (but 3 in a row  :P ) thsi vid motivates me to learn regular ones properly...

ever tried the behind the neck pass tijn? feels strange somehow... :P
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 17, 2006, 03:36:29 PM
Yeah, I've heard of a lot of people that the behind the back one is easier. Norbi told me, and I thought he was right (because I nailed a few sloppy ones). However, since I'm using the correct technique now, I do find it a bit harder to catch the diabolo, in the btb pass genocide. It's best to learn all possible variations anyway :wink:

Quote from: fredo
ever tried the behind the neck pass tijn? feels strange somehow...

No, I haven't yet! That's so obvious... can't wait to try!
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: fredo on August 17, 2006, 03:52:44 PM
Quote from: Martijn
No, I haven't yet! That's so obvious... can't wait to try!
but pay attention, don't catch it too close to your body - the stick comes close at the height of your head  :wink:

It looks cool to kneel when you exchange the sticks - and when kneeling, you won't have to move the whole genocide motion up...just do it as a normal btb one then :D

oh well, just try it!
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: MikeW on August 17, 2006, 04:52:33 PM
again, very nice video from you. I never realized till now, but whenever i do vertax geni's i dont unwrap, and just leave it there and use that wrap to start accelerating it again... that just might solve my lack of spin problem when im done.

now off to practice some more!

Mike Willett
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 17, 2006, 05:24:51 PM
Quote from: MikeW
I never realized till now, but whenever i do vertax geni's i dont unwrap, and just leave it there and use that wrap to start accelerating it again.

And that is exactly what I was doing all the time, untill I tried to unwrap it with my lefthand. That did the trick for me.
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Phil189 on August 17, 2006, 06:44:45 PM
Im not at this standard yet but when i am ill try that example. you make it look very easy thanks!
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: ztt on August 17, 2006, 07:01:20 PM
brillient tuturaial, very well explained
Martjin Said
Quote
perhaps someone will finda way to do excalibur genocides forever!

couldnt you do it from right to left and realse your right stick(if your right handed), this probrbly wouldnt last forever but might take off less speed every time you do one, just and idea, i have never tryed it
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: nev on August 17, 2006, 09:46:16 PM
Quote from: ztt
Martjin Said
Quote
perhaps someone will finda way to do excalibur genocides forever!

couldnt you do it from right to left and realse your right stick(if your right handed), this probrbly wouldnt last forever but might take off less speed every time you do one, just and idea, i have never tryed it


I tried those a while back and landed a few but found they took off more spin than the regular way - and they feel odd
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 17, 2006, 09:49:34 PM
They certainly feel odd - it nearly killed me when I tried it!

Ah well, I'm not so into infinite tricks myself, although I find it interesting to see and discuss about.
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Crackers on August 17, 2006, 09:50:16 PM
I tried them too and they do slow down the diabolo ...
But maybe it's because we're not used to it
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: nev on August 17, 2006, 10:05:49 PM
Quote from: Crackers
But maybe it's because we're not used to it


Agreed - but I'm sure someone will find the time to get it solid, then we might find it useful after all.

Quote from: Martijn
Ah well, I'm not so into infinite tricks myself, although I find it interesting to see and discuss about


though it may seem contrary to my recent posts, neither am I - I like the principles of it because if you are able to keep someting going a long time it means you are able to enter into it without the "setup" i.e. you can do it at the end of a long combo with little spin left - not just to do it over and over
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Chiok on August 17, 2006, 10:48:19 PM
Nice tutorial Tijn, covers all the main points.  Unfortunately though, I've been playing with them for a few months now and still have not managed to catch one.  I'm struggling mainly with the aim to connect, and then if I do connect, the stick and string flings the diabolo away instead of wrapping around.

I may have to try different equipment to see if that makes a difference, lighter stick or something.  Still, good idea on the left-right reversal, very helpful when it comes to tutorials.  I imagine you reversed the directions too ;-)  Very considerate of you though.

Chiok
(still trying...)
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 17, 2006, 10:53:19 PM
Quote from: Chiok
Still, good idea on the left-right reversal, very helpful when it comes to tutorials.  I imagine you reversed the directions too ;-)  Very considerate of you though.

Yeah, I mirrored the video and I changed the descriptions, so the lefties don't have to do that anymore in their heads... Still no words about it from John, Arjan, or any other lefthanded diabolist on the forum here! :P
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: MikeW on August 18, 2006, 02:05:27 AM
Oh wow! that unwraping helps a helluva lot more than i thought it would! Im surprised it was such a simple thing! i must have been landing at least 1 in 10 today, as opposed to my 2 or 3 a day!
Quote from: Chiok
I'm struggling mainly with the aim to connect, and then if I do connect, the stick and string flings the diabolo away instead of wrapping around.

I was having the same problem for awhile too, i found that what i was doin was whiping the stick staight at the diabolo as hard as i could. Im no expert, but as with most tricks, the softer the motion, the better they work. Maybe try not swinging as hard. A little harder to catch at first, but it seems to work alot better.
Quote from: Chiok
I may have to try different equipment to see if that makes a difference, lighter stick or something.

I actually just picked up a set of alluminum sticks and found that its a little bit easier than the carbon fibers just cause the swing is more steady with the extra weight, plus you can feel whats goin on alot better too.

for what its worth,
Mike Willett
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 18, 2006, 02:06:50 AM
Great input Mike, thanks :)
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: fredo on August 18, 2006, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: MikeW
I was having the same problem for awhile too, i found that what i was doin was whiping the stick staight at the diabolo as hard as i could. Im no expert, but as with most tricks, the softer the motion, the better they work. Maybe try not swinging as hard. A little harder to catch at first, but it seems to work alot better.
Exactly!The most important thing is the releasing motion, make it relaxed, so that the diabolo won't fly away from you :wink:. Then you catch it a bit closer to your body - this might help. The rest was described perfectly by tijn...

Quote from: MikeW
I actually just picked up a set of alluminum sticks and found that its a little bit easier than the carbon fibers just cause the swing is more steady with the extra weight, plus you can feel whats goin on alot better too.
For me, it's a lot easier with extremes as well, the diabolo just flies too far away with cars or fibres...try it with alu's...
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Chiok on August 18, 2006, 02:47:07 PM
Ah, you see, I've got the "pop" quite good and get it nice and vertical and fairly close to my body.  I've managed this with an upward swinging arc as I've done the stopover and to release the left handstick quite late in the swing.

Indeed smooth is always the best.  Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.  I guess I just need to practise more.  But I must say, this is probably the thing I've practised the most (other than my 5 cascade) and to not much avail.

Chiok
(the quest continues...)
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Capitaine buisson on August 18, 2006, 10:48:27 PM
very good tutorial!  but i really dont like the remake of such great heigts
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: J_J777 on August 20, 2006, 03:05:17 AM
I'd like to see more at the normal point of view because you bring the diabolo low when you do the trapeze and bring it up when you release the stick and pop it up that way.  

I normally bring it stratight across (parallel) and pop it only slightly (can't really explain how i pop it) and catch it like that.  However, I've heard that we should pop it up when doing a regular genocide. (from mithew from Jacob Sharpe)  What do you think about not popping it up?  

Josh
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 20, 2006, 03:32:39 PM
You just have to catch it lower then.
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Ilias on August 21, 2006, 10:46:30 PM
Lolz  :lol:  I can't even do a simple magic knot and now i'm almost ready whit the Genocide after practise a half day. Weard, but it must be a very good tutorial then :D

Bedankt he, Martijn...  :wink:
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Ilias on August 22, 2006, 02:06:58 PM
Isn't it easyer if you take your right stick whit both hands to do the genocide and then release your right hand when u have to take the left stick back?
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 22, 2006, 02:16:39 PM
Hmm not for me, but I don't know, it could work for others. Try and see what works best.
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Ilias on August 22, 2006, 03:00:39 PM
I alredy tried, let's say I only do it that way. But there's one problem, the btb pass won't work if u hold the stick whit both hands... so I'll have to learn it the normal way too...  :cry:
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Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Ilias on August 22, 2006, 09:30:50 PM
Hehe, like I already said, I can't even do a simple magic knot, but now I can do the genocide... I should practise a little bit more on the btb pass, but wich vertax trick should I try next? Can someone help me please? :D
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 22, 2006, 10:42:19 PM
I would suggest stopovers, some suns, magic knot, whipcatch, wrapsuicide, etc would be some nice tricks for you to try. Have a look at the excalibur section on my website: www.circusplanet.net

Good luck.
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Ilias on August 23, 2006, 10:01:07 AM
I know your site for a long time... It's really good, and all dutch  :D
I've learned the excalibur start by myself, after I saw it on the circusday (Ypres), I live close to Ypres btw...
I had some problems whit excalibur tricks, till I found circusplanet :wink: When I saw the vertax page for the first time, I trained the whole evening on the suns (funny if you do a sun above your head and then do a sun under your legs while jumping over it). And I had to learn stopovers too, because they're necessary for vertax. The next trick i wanted to learn whas the magic knot, but my problem is, I can't catch the diabolo! So I tried the wrap suicide. I whas almost ready whit it, then I didn't practised for 1 day and all my experience whas gone... But then I saw you added a new trick at your excalibur page, the genocide. It should've been to difficuld for me, but I learnd it in 2 days, and it looks sooo cool.  :P I hope the basic tricks will go easyer now, but don't you know some other advanced vertax tricks, like the genocide? (Maybe i could learn it then before school starts again...)
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 23, 2006, 03:17:18 PM
The tricks I know in excalibur are up on my website... Oh, but I haven't filmed the umbrella yet. That is all.
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Ilias on August 23, 2006, 08:46:39 PM
Umbrella? Do you mean let the diabolo spin on your stick like you did in the callaboration video or is that another trick?
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on August 23, 2006, 08:49:19 PM
No, that is a grind. Have a search around the forum for more info about excalibur. Or, take a look at circusplanet for links to some interesting topics.
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Ilias on August 23, 2006, 09:04:20 PM
Okay, tanx  :D
Title: lefties excalibur geno
Post by: Zaheer on September 09, 2006, 05:58:47 AM
great lefties vid man very useful! :D
Title: tutorial reply
Post by: Zaheer on September 09, 2006, 06:02:59 AM
great tut. im now at least catchin the diabolo
Title: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Ilias on September 12, 2006, 08:31:06 PM
Almost ready with vertax whipcatch  :D
But the magic knot is still a problem...
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Christopher on December 30, 2006, 11:57:33 PM
does a vertax genocide count as an integral suicide? you do a stick switch till your able to do it.
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: William on December 31, 2006, 12:03:42 AM
Does a Vertax Genocide count as an Integral Suicide? You do a stick switch till your able to do it.

No. An Integral Suicide is letting go of both sticks and holding the string. So no unless you somehow do that in your Genocides.
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Zosivacka on January 22, 2007, 06:42:46 PM
Hey dude, i must say in the name of all lefties that its a perfect idea.
Im leftie (but in normal life rightie, or maybe im a leftie forced to be rightie, dunno...) and learning
from righties videos is better for me than from lefties, because its a complet mirror for me. But in
case excalibur this mirror doesnt work because you keep turning around. So when making excalibur tricks its best to learn rightie from rightie and leftie from leftie. Thx very much for that reverse copy. Finally a leftie doesnt have to make this mirror in his mind because its annoying (I used to learn from diabolotrick.com and there are views from righthanded perfomer, so a mirror for righties, but no good for lefties. Only trick what is there for lefties is genocide, but when i was learning it, it was only for righties and i had to convert in my mind).
So keep on going
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on January 22, 2007, 07:17:15 PM
Hey that's nice to hear man. Glad I could help, making a mirror version only toke me a few extra minutes :)
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Zosivacka on January 27, 2007, 02:23:14 PM
But youve just mirrored the video. You didnt really made it on left hand. Or did you? :o
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on January 27, 2007, 02:42:15 PM
No, ofcourse not :P
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Zosivacka on January 29, 2007, 09:04:25 PM
Btw, what is a good diabolo for excalibur? Because i dont think finesse with wide axle is a good one? Is henry circus a better diabolo than finesse for this tricks? (The only good diabolos i can get in my city is finesse and circus so which one is better?) :-\
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: mo3 on January 29, 2007, 09:24:44 PM
y dont u just screw on ur normal axle and start playing?
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: David - SAS1 on January 30, 2007, 08:52:13 PM
there are already plenty of threads on finesse versus circus.

Back to thread.  I am finding that the stick is going round too fast to catch is there any way to slow down the speed that the stick is going at.
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Chiok on January 30, 2007, 09:11:20 PM
Is that: the stick when you swing it, or the stick after it's wrapped around the diabolo?

If it's the first, there's not really an answer for that.  It's supposed to go around quickly in order to make it.  As for it swinging around the diabolo too quickly, you're probably catching the diabolo too far away from you so the free stick whips it around.  If you can catch it nearer the centre and then pull it towards you, hopefully you'll have more luck.  

Also try catching the string and sliding down to the handstick instead if you're having trouble.  That's the way Ryo Yabe and Matt Hall do it, so feel no shame.

Chiok
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: David - SAS1 on February 08, 2007, 02:36:47 PM
It was the sick that you let go of, and i now thin that the problem was that the diabolo is too far away.  I will try catching the string.
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: iroQuai on May 22, 2007, 10:44:10 PM
I'm a lefty, but now I notice I do vertax in a strange way... I wrap it from the other way around, so the diabolo is on my left side, but when I unwrap it, I swing it around the right stick...

When I follow the rest of the procedure I can make it until the point where I have to unwrap the diabolo again, but before that the free swinging stick traveled around the diabolo three or four times already and I have to start all over again.

It can have more than one reason. One is maybe because I am caching the diabolo too far away from the stick, so the other stick travels too fast. but maybe there is something else playing a part. With more than one normal trick (like the suicide or wrapped minigenocide) I noticed a difference between the sides I was trying. When I tried to do a trick to the left side, It felt like the complete trick went faster. It was almost like the movement of the diabolo was speeding up the complete trick and made it harder for me to catch the stick.

first, I don't know if it's just my imagination or if it's true. But if it is true, maybe my vertax genocide is also more difficult because of the side I try my genocide....
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: iroQuai on June 07, 2007, 01:36:16 PM
Okay, Today I tested my hypotheses, and I was right - when I do a anti-clockwise genocide (when the diabolo is spinning clockwise) and I catch the diabolo, it climbs back to the stick that I hold in my hand... makes it more easy! Landed a genocide once now :) gonna practice some more when I can!
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Eric Moffett on July 09, 2007, 04:42:27 AM
Ok well, I released the diabolo, recaptured it, gave the stick to the left, and I'm unwrapping, and the diabolo falls on the ground -_- very frustrating, I can see that there is a lot of slack as I unwrap causing the diabolo to fall, I haven't found a way to prevent this. =/ I do however have a video of me doing some, not too good though =/

http://www.youtube.com/v/Xm0YP_TPJMw
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: martijn on July 09, 2007, 09:52:02 AM
Yeah, the diabolo is very unstable at that point, because it's spinning not very fast anymore, which makes it tricky to finish the trick and rewrap the diabolo. Maybe try it with a Circus?

I learned the trick by getting the feeling with a Spintastic first, and then trying it with my Circus diabolo.
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Alex! on July 09, 2007, 01:18:43 PM
I'm unwrapping, and the diabolo falls on the ground

I had this problem when I was learning them. To solve it, while I caught the right handstick I held my left hand further away than I would normally and I also did not unwrap until just before I would normally right wrap the diabolo to make sure that it didn't really have enough time to fall off the string. Also, don't forget to spin :)
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Eric Moffett on July 09, 2007, 06:52:50 PM
Ok, thanks, I've been having the problem less today, the new Spinabolo I ordered is coming in today! I don't own a circus so that's out of the question lol, anyways I'll unwrap later and keep my hand out farther, hope it works, if it does and I nail one today, that would make a vertax genocide in 4 days!
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Eric Moffett on July 11, 2007, 01:54:56 AM
Ok well, I nailed my first one today, by accident messing around with my finesse, it was cool! my friend was over too, and so I had a lot more fun juggling with him! So that's 5 days it took me to land a vertax genocide =b sorry I didn't have a camera =/
Title: Excalibur Genocide tips please.
Post by: Sephion on November 04, 2007, 06:21:04 PM
I've already training this f***** for a long time and still i can't do it
I've already downloaded that video tutorial from that guy but i still cant understand what i'm doing wrong.
I stop with the diabolo with the left stick, i release the left stick, i high up it a bit with the right and then i catch the diabolo, but then the diabolo jump from the string and it never wraps.
There was one day whhen i was already training the changing stick and catching part, but in the next day somehow i forgot :S

Can someone please tell me what should i do.
I've already tried plenty of things
I haven't training any other trick because of this :(
Yesterday i trained 3 hours always the same trick
It's getting kinda frustrating
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: garner on November 04, 2007, 06:46:59 PM
try taking a break
or changing the type of sticks you use
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Sephion on November 04, 2007, 07:03:45 PM
try taking a break
or changing the type of sticks you use

i dont think the problems are on the sticks
Because like i said, i already reached the part of catching the stick  (just one day but still i reached XD)

My sticks are Henrys Carbon. I think they are good
Btw.. i already broke two Henrys Carbon sticks :s
I want to take a break, but this damm trick... i'm so angry that i can't traine another trick before learning this one D=

and sometimes (very very rare) i catch normally the diabolo

Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: tipiphil on November 04, 2007, 08:20:24 PM
try taking a break
or changing the type of sticks you use

As the man said - take a break.  3 hours on one trick is going to get frustrating, and when you're frustrated things won't work.
Try some other stuff.  I always have a handful of tricks that I am trying to learn, if one just isn't going right i'll try something else - giving the brain something different to think about, when I go back to the original trick it always seems to work better.

If you've already broken two Henry's carbons, maybe they're not the best for the job??
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Eric Moffett on February 14, 2008, 02:27:32 AM
Just to help, I was practicing these some more today and during my mental trick breakdown I found that if you spin faster while your grabbing the stick after the trick it helps to keep the diabolo stable, and the stick will slide into your hand more easily

m3
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on February 14, 2008, 03:17:00 AM
Also make sure that your about halfway into your spin before you release the stick, otherwise the diabolo will not travel with you, or be too close to you.
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: luabduch on February 14, 2008, 05:00:13 PM
i finnaly made this trick right...
first time today...

thanks for the tutorial....help me a lot..
..
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: zwiggelbig on August 09, 2008, 03:59:45 PM
Hey I don't have it under control yet after a year of trying it.. But I am getting near!

But sometimes the string hits the diabolo but then the diabolo fly's away! What is the reason for this?

Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Janey on August 09, 2008, 04:27:47 PM
yeah in the beginning i had the same problem, maybe you are to slow.
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: zwiggelbig on August 10, 2008, 02:12:39 AM
Hey when I catch the diabolo and I need to unwrap it and catch the right stick.. The diabolo is to far away to unwrap and the stick is also to far away to grab. How can I change this?
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: puUL on August 24, 2008, 11:52:01 PM
hi,

i think you should try to let the diabolo fly near to you. So when you catch it with your string, your left stick is close to the diabolo almost touching it.

EDIT: forgot to say: when you get them solid, you can try to let the diabolo fly further again to make the trick more interesting for audience.

Also try to experiment with turning faster when you catch the diabolo or turning less. You'll get there, hold on! ;)
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Beni Ran on February 16, 2009, 10:51:39 PM
thank you so much for posting this video! Since the moment I saw one, i knew that this was my favorite trick. now, after 2 or so months, I can do them. Thanks.
-Beni
 :-D
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: hOOk3r on February 28, 2009, 09:11:51 PM
new vertax genocide tutorial!! by me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmfYuIcUBIo#hq (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmfYuIcUBIo#hq)

youtube.com/watch?v=PmfYuIcUBIo



It´s in spanish  :-D

   
I hope you enjoy it!!!thanks for watching
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: MikyITA on May 25, 2010, 07:21:05 PM
Hi Marijn very great tutorial but just one problem. I don t understand how to do the right stopover( i m left handed  :-D) . On almost all the tutorials of the basics of the vertax they teach you the stopovers like "trapezes" but anyone ( i never saw a tutorial like this) teach you the stopover that you use . If i do the "trapeze" stopover diabolo miss the vertax positions , and from your tutorial i don t understand your tecnic.Please can you help me ?
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Mr.D on May 27, 2010, 01:58:33 PM
It's the same as a trapeze stopover, his right hand is just closer to the diabolo, so you cant really see the "trapeze".
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: liqinglei419 on June 27, 2010, 12:13:30 AM
Hi, I seem to have got most of the genocide smoothly (thanks to Martijn's tutorial  :)), but after I catch the diabolo on the string, and then switch to my left hand, the diabolo unwraps and plops on to the floor RIGHT before or when I catch the stick. Sometimes, but not often it will not unwrap and I got the genocide to work. It seems that it occurs less frequently when I do BTB genocides, but it still happens a lot. Is there any way to fix that problem?
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on June 27, 2010, 05:15:12 AM
Try swith hands before the genocide.
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: liqinglei419 on July 20, 2010, 08:24:07 PM
Try swith hands before the genocide.
I find aiming the string on the diabolo with my left hand harder (my left hand coordination is awful, but it is getting better to some extent...) and in my opinion, looses some of it's visual appeal.

The problem I had before is starting to become less frequent, but is still a big problem (The string seems as if it gets caught on the diabolo and unwraps, but my diabolo is very smooth :o). I tried the stick release thing in Hooker's tutorial, and the unwrap problem is always getting in the way...

Still, any advice about the unwrapping diabolo and plops onto the floor problem from my last post?
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Hack on July 20, 2010, 08:36:58 PM
Are you spinning in a circle when the diabolo falls off? Or are you standing still?
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: liqinglei419 on July 20, 2010, 10:41:50 PM
Yes, I do, but I'm not sure if it's enough or not. I do about a 90 degree turn after the string catches the diabolo, and try to catch the stick, or string. That is when the diabolo unwraps strangely and drops to the floor.
Title: Re: Excalibur genocides tutorial
Post by: Hack on July 20, 2010, 11:37:00 PM
Don't stop spinning until you rewrap the diabolo. That should solve your problem.
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