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Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: Nick on August 24, 2006, 10:55:43 AM
The results for the Taiwan Yo-yo Contest 2006 were just posted online. One of the routines was a diabolo demonstration, so I thought you lot might be interested. Here is the link:
http://nctuyoyo.twbbs.org/~TMP/2006TYYC/2006TYYC/2006TYYC-DIAdemo.MPG

Some nice ideas with one and two, an Eiffel Tower, a little bit of three and some of the pinkest diabolos I've ever seen. What more could you ask for?
Enjoy.
Nick.
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: Chiok on August 24, 2006, 12:28:23 PM
THat was actually pretty good!  It started off okie dokie, and then it was like watching someone improve over time.  His 2D started looking a bit sketchy and then after a little bit busted out some great knots and transfers.  Same with his 3D, didn't look like he could keep it going and then does a nice 423 and almost a sun.

The Indiana whips to whip catch were great.  I'm glad he kept on going despite the drops because it seemed like a forgiving audience and he was quite good.  He didn't seem to think he was going to win (diabolo at a yo-yo contest?) so it was just all about fun.

Thanks for digging that out Nick, I've gotta clear some space from my hard drive...

Chiok
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: nev on August 24, 2006, 12:31:12 PM
Thanks for that - some interesting stuff in there - liked the indy whip start.

Anyone know what diabolo's they were - looked like the clear Bandai Diabigs but I didnt think those were still made? and the ones he used for 2 sounded like they had ractchets? EDIT - the pink & green ones he used for 2 were ratchet axels - the pink ones he used for 2 / 3 were not - but they looked the same!
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: -Leo- on August 24, 2006, 12:44:07 PM
That was really strange. His 1D was ok but it was nothing special. Out of the blue he does a fan 720 and some nice knot transfers, and then 3D. I don't think he had a set routine, he just went through his arsenal of tricks and it was nice to watch.

Thanks for sharing that.
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: Duncan on August 24, 2006, 01:02:00 PM
His 2D start that never worked was a really neat idea which I'll probably go out and try as soon as I can. He wasn't solid, but he was fun to watch. It'd be interesting to see what other kinds of things he's working on off stage.

Add: the audience seemed to react positively to the hard tricks he was trying: perhaps they weren't just all gasps and knew how hard the tricks he was trying were?

-Duncan
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: Spink on August 24, 2006, 02:34:45 PM
How di that Eifel Tower work?
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: martijn on August 24, 2006, 03:17:05 PM
That was great! I really enjoyed that, innovative tricks there, seeing the guy having fun, and the japanese audience going crazy :P Thanks for sharing Nick.
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: Valium on August 24, 2006, 09:22:14 PM
Quote from: nev
Thanks for that - some interesting stuff in there - liked the indy whip start.

Anyone know what diabolo's they were - looked like the clear Bandai Diabigs but I didnt think those were still made? and the ones he used for 2 sounded like they had ractchets? EDIT - the pink & green ones he used for 2 were ratchet axels - the pink ones he used for 2 / 3 were not - but they looked the same!

transparent diabigs I guess (I'm almost sure they are)
dunno if they are still made but many japanese/taiwan people seem to have a couple of these
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: -Leo- on August 25, 2006, 09:12:21 AM
Quote from: Spink
How di that Eifel Tower work?


Like Trash's web I think, but with an extra wrap.
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: Nick on August 25, 2006, 10:03:34 AM
Quote from: guppygould
Quote from: Spink
How di that Eifel Tower work?

Like Trash's web I think, but with an extra wrap.

I think Spink is refering to a different trick.
I figured out his Tower last night, so here you go Spink:
1. Right-hand slack under whip.
2. Dismount slack whip, throw slack back over the stick and around the far cup.
3. The diabolo should now be in a sort of trapeze mount over you thumb (or finger).
4. Turn left stick in towards you and place against the two strings around your thumb.
5. Wrap the right hand stick tip and its string around the near cup in a clockwise direction.
6. Slide the strings on the left hand stick (those from Step 4) down off the stick to form the Eiffel Tower.
7. Assume a stylish pose then exit with an anticlockwise sun or equivalent.
8. Stop procrastinating and tell everybody what "Third Base" means.

I'm away from my diabolo at the moment but I think this is right. The mechanics of the trick are exactly the same as a Tower from one of Diabolumberto's videos (combo.wmv?) where he goes from a left hand back wrap to a thumb mount, then into the Tower.
Nick.
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: nev on August 25, 2006, 10:10:02 AM
Damn you got there first - I was gonna offer to 'trade' spink the how to for some illusive 3rd base information  :wink:

ps when working this one out I came across an interesting twisted eiffel variation that exits into a wrapped genocide.
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: LaNgErZ on August 25, 2006, 11:42:15 AM
yeah quite a cool vid. i'll trade 8 eiffel mounts to know what 3rd base means.

(i bet after all this its a wind up - sorry wrong thread)
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: mango on August 25, 2006, 12:00:04 PM
maybe he bought the transparent bandais when it was still made
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: nev on August 25, 2006, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: mango
maybe he bought the transparent bandais when it was still made


True - though they looked pretty new to me- & still doesnt explain the ratchets - as far as I'm aware they didnt make any with bearing axels ???  (maybe he transfered the guts from a spinabolo or something to the bandais ???).  Anyhows I was just wondering if there was anyplace in Taiwan etc still making these (or knockoff copies for that matter ???).
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: pilar_at_work on August 25, 2006, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Chiok
(diabolo at a yo-yo contest?)


Yeah, it happens quite frequently, here for the World Yoyo Contest there is a diabolo ladder, and at some regional contests there are demonstrations, not usually competition though.

I also thought the vid was really cool, and I'm jealous of his brightly colored diab's, haha.
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: Chiok on August 26, 2006, 05:14:38 AM
Quote from: pilar_at_work
Quote from: Chiok
(diabolo at a yo-yo contest?)


Yeah, it happens quite frequently, here for the World Yoyo Contest there is a diabolo ladder, and at some regional contests there are demonstrations, not usually competition though.
Oh I get that, my underhanded point was, that a diabolo isn't gonna win at a yo-yo contest (Perhaps in the 5A section).

Chiok
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: Shawn Fumo on August 26, 2006, 05:46:56 AM
Well.. if you just mean there wasn't pressure (besides wanting to look competent) because he wasn't competing, then that's true. But I don't think you could actually use a diabolo in a yo-yo division.

I'm not sure on exact rules, but a rule of thumb is probably method of gaining spin. Using friction on the axle for diabolo and winding and unwinding for the yo-yos. So I guess if you had a small diabolo that you could consistantly wind up (like in indiana whip), that could probably work. But the issue is the big width of a diabolo axle makes it tricky.

Looking at it from the other side... I've seen offstring yo-yos done like loop diabolo (and two offstring yo-yos on one string can be done, called Soloham) but still always wound up. I wonder what'd happen if someone used a fixed axle yo-yo like an Apollo Pro and accellerated it using loop diabolo method or regular diabolo type pulls. I'd think it might be disqualified, but I don't think anyone's actually tried it!

This does make me think... I don't think anyone's tried making a yo-yo with a one-way bearing. I wonder how that'd work with normal string tricks with the string attached. If you could do most of the same tricks but not wind the yo-yo until the end. Or for offstring with diabolo accelerations working, but also yo-yo style regenerations.

Sorry for thread hijack. :)  I just like thinking about issues like this...

I thought he did a nice job for seemingly not having it all planned out. I'm glad he was able to show off diabolo to everyone at the contest. :)

As an aside, this past world yo-yo contest had to be the most juggling-ish I've seen. There was two diabolo players that could do 3-low (Hadrien from France and Rei from Japan) and Jason Garfield was there to promote the WJF. Nice to see more crossover..
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: LaNgErZ on August 26, 2006, 11:55:39 AM
i concur i reckon at some point yoyo and diab will just hybrid into stupid divisions. i also think about this subject quite alot. there are just too many possibilities. and i think that some people wont aprove of some of these catagries, because its not yoyo or whatever. so you shouldn't be able to compete using that style. so if the people that run worlds (eg) wont take them into acount  i'm sure they'll get frowned upon by players from around the world. i mean it's still an act. tricky.. imagine 84a haha........

by the way shawn i've been watching alot of your yoyo stuff recently and its sick
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: thewu on August 27, 2006, 04:48:14 AM
Quote from: nev
Quote from: mango
maybe he bought the transparent bandais when it was still made


True - though they looked pretty new to me- & still doesnt explain the ratchets - as far as I'm aware they didnt make any with bearing axels ???  (maybe he transfered the guts from a spinabolo or something to the bandais ???).  Anyhows I was just wondering if there was anyplace in Taiwan etc still making these (or knockoff copies for that matter ???).


i'm thinking there a taiwanese brand. i have a bearings diabolo at home that looks like what he has.
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: nev on August 29, 2006, 08:59:42 PM
After a little searching around the interweb I found these

UFO (model name) glow in the dark diabolo's from Taiwan
(http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8803/ufodiabolothumbig6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7440/ufodiabolo2xh9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Anyone got any experience of these??  If so, are they any good??

From the black / white hubs I'm guessing they have a bearing axel (ala spinabolo style)
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: fredo on August 29, 2006, 09:51:06 PM
wow, they look quite cool! maybe another high-quality-pro-diabolo? (along with circus, finesse, yoho...you know what i mean  :wink: )
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: thewu on August 30, 2006, 01:42:26 AM
Quote from: nev
After a little searching around the interweb I found these

UFO (model name) glow in the dark diabolo's from Taiwan
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8803/ufodiabolothumbig6.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7440/ufodiabolo2xh9.jpg
mod edit: please don't quote images...

Anyone got any experience of these??  If so, are they any good??

From the black / white hubs I'm guessing they have a bearing axel (ala spinabolo style)


yup, those are the types i used. Fei-Ling or something like that, except i have green and yellow instead of white.

my experiences with them is that the axle is small, so doing tricks that pull the diabolo out wide will most likely tilt it. horizontal adjusting is a pain too. i also find them harder to use when doing 2d, but i guess thats true w/ all bearings diabolos. it has very good balance as far as i can tell, and not too light/heavy.

(note that my review is somewhat biased since i've only used this brand and the original chinese yoyo.)

where did you find those pictures?
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: one.man.band on August 30, 2006, 08:21:16 AM
Errr, i don't know if i am right, but that diabolo looks exactly the same as a spinabolo. Even down to the nuts on the inside of the cups...

The only difference i can see is the sticker!

Can anyone else see this?
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: martijn on August 30, 2006, 12:40:26 PM
Yeah, they look very similar, it's just that beautiful white color. As far as I know, spinabolos are only available in red and blue now (they stopped producing yellow and black?). Help me out here... somebody.
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: LaNgErZ on August 30, 2006, 12:43:04 PM
yup they are exactly the same as spinab's....... wish i could explain it...
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: Chiok on August 30, 2006, 02:54:50 PM
They look kinda sharp  :?

People have some great eyes on this forum to see such little distictions (or lack thereof).  Does look similar except for a very glossy white.

Not an outdoor diabolo...

Chiok
Title: Taiwan Yo Yo Contest 2006 Diabolo Demonstration
Post by: martijn on August 30, 2006, 06:12:07 PM
Yeah, just as sharp as the Spinabolo I reckon.

Quote from: Chiok
Not an outdoor diabolo...

Yeah, I figured that out... the hard way. They're pretty messed up, one looks really abused, thanks to my excalibur genocide tutorial. That damn concrete!
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