Diabolo.ca

Diabolo.ca Forums => Videos => Tutorials => Topic started by: Sean on November 10, 2004, 06:20:53 AM

Title: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Sean on November 10, 2004, 06:20:53 AM
You will find the video tutorial at: http://diabolo.ca/seanvideos/

Based on the initial response it looked like the video tutorial people wanted most was a fan tutorial. While I was at the gym today (after I stared at my nice orange circus diabolo for a while, which is stuck 15 feet off the ground in a net after a small 3 diabolo accident yesterday, and wished I could use it for some filming  :oops: ) I got some footage of the 3 basic entries into the fan.

Of course, I goofed around a little and included some freestyle footage that is based on the moves shown in the tutorial section.

This will hopefully be the first of many video tutorials on this forum. There is a sticky at the top of this forum for video tutorials. Feel free to request or vote for anything you'd like to see featured as a tutorial. Also, if you would like to film a video tutorial yourself, let me know... or just go ahead and film it. I'm sure we could all learn something! :D

The 3 entries featured are the: 1. Backwrap (which can also be done as a stop over) 2. The arm-stall (easy to get the motion of but hard to line up properly at first) and 3. The vortex (I found this the hardest to learn, but others find this the easiest... it's a trick to learn for its own sake anyway)

If you'd like a written explanation of any part of this video, just ask, and I'd be happy to oblige. I'll try and dig up some stuff I wrote about on the topic on rec.juggling soon.

Edit - here's the explanation I previously included in the tutorial sticky at the top of the forum:

--------------------------
Three methods of starting the fan are featured:
1. Backwrapping one diabolo (or using a stopover) with the left stick for right handed diaboloists.
2. Using an armstall. This method is easy to get the motion started with but difficult to line up at first.
3. Vortexing into the fan. This method is probably the easiest once you have learned the vortex, although the vortex may be challenging to learn in itself.

You will notice that I have started the action in each segment with the green diabolo. Which coloured diabolo comes around at the end to exit the fan depends on how it is started; however, it is always the diabolo closest to your non-dominant hand (left for us righties) that comes across to your dominant hand for the exit. It is this same diabolo which will be slowing down in the traditional fan.

The intro freestyle section features the s-fan. This fan has one diabolo on each side of the string so that both diabolos speed up. This will be featured in a future video tutuorial if there is demand. The 2nd freestyle section features a little bit of switching between fan directions, switching directions with mini-columns in the middle, and some vortex freestyle.
--------------------------

Cheers!
Sean
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Arjan on November 10, 2004, 08:09:50 AM
Really cool man!
I like those Fans into the other direction.
Well done!!
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: barnesy on November 10, 2004, 10:28:40 AM
Good stuff!  I'd not actually thought about trying it directly from a left hand backwrap.  I've had some success with using a right hand frontwrap, and letting it pass under the other diabolo to the same position as a left hand backwrap.  Same difference, I guess.  Your video has convinced me that I just need to work on the trick more!  Thanks for making it.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Sean on November 10, 2004, 01:51:33 PM
Quote from: barnesy
I'd not actually thought about trying it directly from a left hand backwrap.

Actually, the entry that I first learned with was a stopover on the left stick. It lets you set it up, turn, prepare youself  8) , and then go for it. In the end it's the same thing as a backwrap... just a bit slower.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: martijn on November 10, 2004, 02:20:00 PM
Great video! I'm also learning the fan at this moment. My problem is when I exit the Fan, both diabolo are wrapped :?  Still need to figure that out... Thanks again for the vid! :D  8)
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: seán_ on November 10, 2004, 04:16:57 PM
Great video,  really usefull. slo mo and different views especially welcome. I'll be giving some of those methods a go tonight so get ready for some questions.

Seán_
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: JGherkin on November 10, 2004, 06:46:26 PM
I first learnt the fan from JiBe's Fan Combo, wot mite help with figuring out why the two diabs are wrapped when u exit is going thru it with stopped diabs, just lay them on the floor and simulate the positions by movin them around with ur hands, this'll let u find out maybe why various things happen/go wrong with many tricks.  Seans vid wud've bin very helpful when I learnt it, luv the different angles and entries.  Great to see u holding that S-Fan over ur head for so long with Henry's as well, Top Man  8)
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Arjan on November 10, 2004, 10:32:58 PM
I figured the fan 360 out tonight at my juggeling club. But I need to work on it, because it not goes well most of the time.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: barnesy on November 11, 2004, 12:26:45 PM
A little progress update:  I've kind of got the fan working now, but it's not at all smooth, and only goes round a few times before I have to get out of it.  It helped to realise that I need to keep my hand movements quite small.   I'll be attacing it again tonight!
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Sean on November 11, 2004, 06:30:12 PM
I have added this tutorial video to the tutorial "sticky" at the top (http://diabolo.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6#6). I also included a few brief notes on the video and on exiting technique.

Learning the fan and vortex opens up a whole other realm of diabolo tricks... definitely worth learning.  :D
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: |}{| Julian |}{| on November 12, 2004, 06:52:28 AM
After watching the video I actually got my first fan to work and then even a second time!  I had no clue before.  Thank you Sean.

Julian
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: |}{| Julian |}{| on November 13, 2004, 04:15:26 AM
So now that I can actually get into a fan successfully I'm having a problem with the diabolos slowing down quickly.  Is there anything I can do to avoid this?  I guess this fan does not accellerate the diabolos.  Also how do you get out of it?  Thanks,

Julian
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Sean on November 13, 2004, 07:23:49 AM
Yes the diabolos will slow down - especially when you are first learning. You will develop a touch for it that will minimize this. A large part of the slowing is likely because of imperfect alignment at this point. Even if you have the motion down perfectly, one diabolo will speed up (or maintain its speed - this would be the one closest to the right hand for righties) and the other will slow down.

In general: the smaller your hand motions with the fan, the less friction you will cause and the longer the diabolos will spin. This means longer fans, obviously.

The s-fan puts one diabolo on each side of the string so that both speed up, or both slow down (but who would want that?). However, even with a normal fan, it is possible to hold it for at least 5 or 6 seconds and maybe up to 10 seconds. I believe the s-fan has not gained mass popularity because of the lack of a simple, reliable exit... I have a video that's going up on the jongle.net trick of the week this week (I sent it in before this forum was created) which features a a simple s-fan exit. I've been saving this trick since the day after I released "A Man's Chew" ;). I'll post the link to that video when it is posted by Diabolumberto on jongle.net and perhaps I'll post a short tutorial on that exit here as well. I think the s-fan is the "fan of the future". For me it is as reliable as a normal fan now and it can go forever - what more could you ask?

In terms of the exit, watch carefully in the videos in terms of which diabolo comes around to my left hand for the exit. I always start with the green diabolo as the "action" diabolo but it is the left diabolo which must come around. If you bring the other one across the string will get tangled. If you use the backwrap (which I think you originally said that you did) then it will be that same diabolo that you must follow to exit with. [end

Best of luck - it's a great trick to master - it opens up so many doors!
Sean
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Rusty on November 13, 2004, 09:27:55 AM
To get into the S-Fan, what do you do to get both speeding up, not slowing down?

It looks as though your throwing one straight up turning your body to the left and wrapping the diabolo with your left hand going into something Fan looking. I can do this, but the left diabolo slows really fast down.

Rusty, Norway
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Sean on November 13, 2004, 03:35:40 PM
Well, assuming you are right handed, if you get a diabolo on the back of the string near your left hand and you turn the fan in an anticlockwise direction you can speed up both diabolos. If, for example, you those 2 diabolos on the opposite sides of the string in that position, then both would slow down. Now, there are 4 different combinations possible, I believe. Theoretically, 2 of those should speed up the diabolos and 2 should slow them down.

However, that being said, getting the hand motion just right so that the diabolos actually speed up isn't easy, and don't expect any amazing speed here. We're talking about just enough friction to keep them spinning a bit - enough that you could go on forever with it - but not enough to say, jump into a double sprinkler.

The second video of the week found here:
http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=7

features an s-fan with a 180 turnaround exit. There are better exits which I'll describe later - and probably easier ways to get into the s-fan, such as from mini-columns.

Sean
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Paul on November 16, 2004, 02:48:34 AM
I still cant get into a normal fan never mind an sfan. Ive watched the video that sean put up (stunning by the way!) but i still dont understand how it works properly yet. Has anyone got an explanation for a confused person like me? I even got my girlfriend to hold them (diabolos of course) and move em around but i dont understand!!!! Help!
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: murifri on November 18, 2004, 12:17:18 PM
The fan entry video has really helped me get to grips with the trick.  I just tried all the entries until I found one that worked for me.  Now I'm getting into it I can get a feeling for the whole thing and hopefully have a little more control.

Now I'm using a slightly different entry though.  It's a front wrap that I let roll under the other diabolo and then flick out when it gets to my non-dominant hand.

The vortex is really giving me trouble I can't seem to get the non wrapped diabolo to change directions and always end up losing it off the srtring.  Any suggestions would be great.

Cheers for the great video.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: |}{| Julian |}{| on November 19, 2004, 05:33:48 AM
Tonight I successfully got an S-fan going quite a few times.  The diabolos did eventually slow down.  I guess I just have to perfect my hand movements.  Thanks for the help Sean and everyone else.  Any tips on how to keep it going forever? :P   I need to learn how to get out of it as well I guess :roll: .

Julian
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: diabololi on February 02, 2005, 01:57:16 PM
I'm getting there with the fan, even though I can only do the backwrap entry. There is one other thing, near the end of the video you do some continuous vortexes (one diabolo continuously going around the other). Please can you  give me some tips on how to do them. I can only sometimes get a dodgy double vortex.

Thanks
Oli
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: JGherkin on February 06, 2005, 01:03:01 AM
Im planning on doin a vortex tutorial once I can get some time both me and my cameraman have to get it filmed.  I spent a while at chocfest tryin to explain various vortexes(vortexi? :lol: ) to sum1 and figured a video would defo help as its a quick trick with many variations...anyway, i'm planning to go through the basic vortexes, a few advanced vortex combos and help explain the motion to get the non-wrapped diab to move as this certainly took me a while to get right.  Hopefully maybe get it done next weekend?
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Ifrit on February 06, 2005, 02:01:58 AM
Yay did the first 4 revelations and got out before the diabolos hit the fan if you catch my play on words :)

That vortex tutorial sounds like it will be allot of help. It would be great if you could include a verbal break down of the basic vortex if that would be too much trouble.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Sean on February 06, 2005, 02:27:31 AM
Quote from: JGherkin
...various vortexes(vortexi? :lol: )...


vortexes or vortices (as in vor-tis-eeze) apparently

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=vortex  :)
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: diabololi on February 06, 2005, 09:48:02 AM
Thanks, that would be great. has anyone worked on a backwrap vortex? I can get it to work most times, but I have to use my special "get out of a sun on the right hand side" thingy.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: norbi on February 06, 2005, 11:13:21 AM
I do the given and taken backwrap transfers alot (given more often, and i think the taken one is the votrex version [goes straight into a left hand armstall {and that whole little trick (the backwrap vortex into arm stall) come incredibly well out of a normal vortex if you time it right} by the way])

Yeah it is vortices, like matrix and matrices (mate-ris-eez, not matresses)
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: JGherkin on February 06, 2005, 12:37:16 PM
Yeh I was planning to do some verbal instructions, slo-mo from various angles focusing on different parts of it and so forth, i'll see what I can come up with lol

And personally I prefer vortexi   :lol:

(mod edit: Johns Vortex tuorial can be found here (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=380))
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Sean on February 06, 2005, 04:10:52 PM
Yes, you can do a vortex with a backwrap that is identical to a normal frontwarp vortex except that all the wraps are reversed. To do it the same as the frontwarp vortex you have to unwrap over the front of the diabolo with your left hand (which is more awkward than the normal move).

It's a fun exercise to do a long vortex combo and keep switching back and forth between front and back side vortices (or vortexi for John ;) )

Sean
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: chak1984 on March 27, 2005, 01:56:11 PM
Hi~I am a new guy here~ :oops:
In many videos, "Fan" seem to be non-stop.
But mine Diabolos stop spinning after 8-10 turns.
And they are not stable at all..........

 :?:
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: barnesy on March 27, 2005, 02:34:47 PM
The one that goes on forever is  an S-fan.  Have a look at the fan threads linked to in the tricks clicky at the top of the forum, and have another look at the videos - you'll hopefully be able to see that the trick is started in a different way to a normal fan.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Arjan on March 27, 2005, 03:41:58 PM
A normal Fan can go on for more than 8-10 turns... as long as they have enough speed, and your string isn`t too old.
Also with ball bearing diabolos you can go on almost forever.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: martijn on March 27, 2005, 03:49:05 PM
Yes, with a normal Fan you can do more than 10 turns, it's just a case of practising. Try to move your hands subtle, no big movements. If you have a new string, the diabolo on the left in't losing spin fast, but an old/dirt string kills your Fan. :P

A S-Fan is infinite, cause both diabolos maintain their speed. The movement of the hands is different from a normal Fan.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: diabololi on April 02, 2005, 06:39:39 PM
Hey everyone. I'm getting closer to understanding the fan now. I even got a few rounds of an S fan (plus exit!). But I think my movements are too big and it tends to go out of control and my hands start moving synchronously after about 5 turns. Any tips?

Thanks
Oli
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Spooned on May 12, 2005, 07:10:40 PM
Hmmm, now i just got to learn Cfans before i even attempt S-fans, got any advise? Ive seen the video and understand how they should work but when i attempt it one diab just flies off the string, any help with this  :oops:
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Dracodragon on May 14, 2005, 04:51:14 PM
Ok, i watched your video, and tried to do a fan. I got it working for one circular motion, and then one of them got tangled and rode up to my left stick. I have some questions that i wasnt sure about. Do you wrap both diabolos while doing this? Also, is this some trick in which it is a series of wraps and unwraps? Anyways, thanks for your help. I hope i can get this cool trick too.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: juggleBG on May 14, 2005, 08:20:38 PM
Ok Draco, my guess is that you're not unwrapping your backwrap (if that's how you're enterting the fan) while doing the fan.  This is a problem.  Work on doing backwraps (left) and unwraps without entering the fan to get the motion down right, otherwise you won't be able to maintain or exit a fan with much success.  I beleive the "seris of wraps and unwraps" you're describing are continuous long vortexes.  This is similar to a fan and can be used to enter a fan.  Suggested watching, punkerpanda's vortex tutorial.  Good luck bru.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Dracodragon on May 14, 2005, 09:53:19 PM
Alright. THanks. THis made me find out what i was doing wrong, all i need to do now is pracitce it. :D
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: tomangleberger on September 17, 2005, 09:11:19 PM
Help needed, please.

I've been making progress and can get a few turns of the fan. (regular fan, left backwrap entry)

HOWEVER, the diabolo closest to the right hand climbs the string until it is so close to the handstick that I have to exit or crash.

Any tips?


---Tom
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: J_J777 on September 18, 2005, 02:46:01 AM
the diabolo shouldn't be climbing anything because it's not wrapped.... my problem is i let it get to close to me... (i have a few scars on my stomach....)
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: -Leo- on September 18, 2005, 08:46:33 AM
I didn't want to bring up an old topic but now it's up again I might aswell ask. For me, when I a fan in any format one diabolo flies off the string. Why is this.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: norbi on September 18, 2005, 12:31:23 PM
its the right hand one (if you are right handed) and it's because you arent getting the string over it when it comes around.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: tomangleberger on September 18, 2005, 02:40:57 PM
Quote from: J_J777
the diabolo shouldn't be climbing anything because it's not wrapped....


Maybe i shouldn't have said climbing.

The diabolo is not wrapped, yet it gets closer and closer to my right stick with each cycle. I can post a video if you don't believe me.

Am I the only one who's ever had this problem?
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: -Leo- on September 18, 2005, 06:10:56 PM
Cheers norbi, I thought it was that. Is there a particular way to get the string over it or is it just down to speed and practice
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Chiok on September 18, 2005, 11:42:25 PM
I've experienced this problem with a diabolo getting close to the right handstick and more often than not, bashing it.  I believe it's to do with the motion and rhythm of the hands which make the fan turn.  I'm guessing it's something that comes alot from feel when you let the diabolos spin out and keep themselves out.

I'm afraid I don't have any real tips on this, but I have had the problem, so you don't have to feel so special anymore.

Chiok
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: JGherkin on September 19, 2005, 12:23:19 AM
Norbi thats only correct for a regular fan (right handed), for an s-fan this problem can occur with either diabolo, I'm a lefty and i find it easiest to release the right hand diabolo during an s-fan but thinking about it I should be able to release either with the same method.

And as for the other problem mentioned, from my experience it could be getting too close to the stick for one of two reasons.  First that I've seen is that hand movements are far too exaggerated, so much so that they are doing pretty much the same size circle the diabs are doing and because of this there is a large chance of you hitting the diabs with the sticks.  Second reason, hand movements are not exaggerated enough on the part of the rotation for which you "pull" the diabolo up in front of you and so the diabolo does not gain enough clearance above the handsticks to make the re-wrapping clean.  This can result in a collision of diabolo and handstick (the method I use for fan correction) or missing the re-wrap in which case the diabolo flies off in front of you (in an s-fan, in a normal fan this could result in either the right hand diab flying off or a tangle of the left hand diab  :wink: )

Hope this helps rather than confuse  :)
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: tomangleberger on September 19, 2005, 02:00:57 AM
Quote from: JGherkin
And as for the other problem mentioned...)


Thanks JG! And thanks for the vortex tutorial, too.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: -Leo- on September 26, 2005, 08:31:44 PM
I'm dissapointed still struggling with the fan I can't get the diabolo on my weak (left hand) to exit. I was wondering if anyone had a specific technique for this or is it just practice and coordination. I can do vortexes but I'm still finding the left backwrap easier.

Cheers,

Edit doesn't matter i can do it now
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: tomangleberger on November 22, 2005, 11:42:34 PM
Am I the only person who has struggled endlessly with this trick without actually learning it?
I have watched Sean's fan entry video 1,000 times.
I have tried to read the rambling fan-related threads.
And I have been working on the trick for about 4 months. I've learned other stuff, vortex, 2 high, etc... without anywhere enar this much headache.

At one point I could do 5 rotations, 7 is my record. Currently two or three is a minor miracle.

I no longer think that tweaking is going to help. I need an extreme fan makeover!

What am I missing? what exactly am i supposed to be doing? At what point in the rotation of the diabolo are my arms actually exerting pressure? Am I pulling, pushing, lifting or throwing?

Feel free to attach this to another existing thread, but please someone give me some good advice here before I give up and switch to cigar boxes.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Ben on November 23, 2005, 07:01:47 AM
humm if you can do vortex it shouldn't be to hard...

the way i got the feeling of how your sticks should move is i just held both sticks out in front of me and rotated them around eachother in a small circle and then tryed to make my hads do the same movement after i got it going..

dunno if that helps but its how i figured it out..
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Chiok on November 23, 2005, 08:50:59 AM
Quote from: Ben
humm if you can do vortex it shouldn't be to hard...
Well, you say that, but I can do vortices no problem, but the fan and s-fan really annoyed me.

The hand movement I've found to work for me is once you're facing to the side in the ready "fan position", try holding your sticks like you're trying to play a drum, that is, hold sticks like normal, thumbs on top with your sticks pointing in a V fashion towards each other.  Then trying drumming, well, more moving your sticks alternatively up and down like your drumming a slow beat.  The key is to get the feel for when to move your sticks, which you will get when you feel more resistance to your "drumming".  This is when diabolos are at their extremes (up or down) and you're pulling them around.

Tricky to describe, but I've found this to help me quite a bit to get a few rotations of an S-fan.

Chiok
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Valium on November 23, 2005, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: tomangleberger
Am I the only person who has struggled endlessly with this trick without actually learning it?
I have watched Sean's fan entry video 1,000 times.
I have tried to read the rambling fan-related threads.
And I have been working on the trick for about 4 months. I've learned other stuff, vortex, 2 high, etc... without anywhere enar this much headache.


me too, I hate this trick
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Ben on November 23, 2005, 08:27:49 PM
well yeah vortex doesn't really do anything for s fan but i was assuming he was talking about a regular fan

the only thing i found tricky about the s fan once i got the regular fan was the entry
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Chiok on November 24, 2005, 03:12:04 PM
Well I meant fan too.  I understand how the vortex and the fan are very similar motions, your hands just keep going around for the fan, but unfortunately it was never that simple for me.  It's definitely one of those "click" tricks that you'll just get the feel for.

Chiok
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: tomangleberger on November 25, 2005, 11:57:48 PM
Thanks for the tips, folks!
I wish i could say they had helped me get a handle on the fan. Maybe they'll sink in gradually.

I think I may have to wait until I can meet up with one of you folks in person and get a hands-on tutorial.

I'd estimate that I have put in about 25 times as much practice to try to learn the fan as the amount of time it took to learn the vortex.
The worst thing is that after all that struggle I have nothing to show for it!

Oh well, maybe this will make me polish up my 1d skills.

-Tom
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Jeppe on August 27, 2006, 03:34:22 PM
i have problem with this .i start doing it but after 1-3 rounds they both tilt and drop off the string with no speed what helps with this?
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Drumbody on January 11, 2007, 11:17:19 PM
If the diabolo 2 my left gets caught alot and get's stuck at the top am i doing to big movements or is it my string. because to be honest i do have pretty old string. =P
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: William on January 12, 2007, 03:19:40 AM
Hmm.. Drumbody, make sure your fan is nice and slow. It lasts longer that way. Also make sure your hands aren't too far apart, or both diabolos will tilt away from eachother. If you have old string buy some more ;) Go to your local home hardware/D.I.Y store and buy some. I found some excellent quality Nylon stuff there, called "Builders Line" Which comes in 50m or 100m, there are a fair few colours too. Hope this helps you :)

Will
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Drumbody on February 15, 2007, 12:37:16 AM
I've got the entrance and exits of fans pretty much sussed. But  the left one completely runs out of spin by the time it's been going for baout 5 seconds.

What am i aiming to do with my hands to get them to last longer?
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Dan on February 15, 2007, 01:08:20 AM
Ive been experimenting with fans alot lately and for some reason my complete fan is tilting to the left so it ends up looking like:
         
         \  \
           \  \
             \  \
               \  \
                 \  \

Both diabolos are still aligned to each other but just equally slanted.  I've almost got into excalibur like this by accident - i was pissed off and just pulled them round really fast and it tilted quite fast till it was flat and it fell apart.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: shizzlerr on May 16, 2007, 12:24:49 AM
ive watched seans video for probably the billionth time now, but still cant get it. r both diabolos wrapped? and it looks like rythm is really heavy for this trick?
 :-\
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Sean on May 16, 2007, 03:37:48 AM
Well I'm glad to see that his ancient video is still of some use! :)

One diabolo has a half twist on it, the other is open. Try working it through on the floor yourself or ideally have someone move the diabolos into the pattern for you. I'd also recommend trying it with the armstall or backwrap start at first unless you already have a solid vortex. With the armstall or backwrap start all you have to do is throw a diabolo in the right direction (the opposite direction they normally travel in) and then move your hands in rough circles to the right rhythm. The diabolos don't have to be spinning to get the idea of that rhythm.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: shizzlerr on May 30, 2007, 01:02:00 AM
grrrrrr i still cant get it, im doing the backwrap and all and when i start the rotations the yoyos like go beserk, i havent even gotten like 1 whole rotation yet, i have no clue wat i doing wrng. ive tryed putting the yoyos on the floor and tryed to rotate them but its kinda hard with rubber diabolos, and nobody really unerstands or wants to help me hold the yoyos... ive been at it for like a month now and ive gotten no where  :(
help plz  :'(
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Dan on May 30, 2007, 03:11:20 AM
Ok I can't remember and can't be bothered to read through the whole of this ancient thread.  But i can only assume you are talking about a normal fan.  The way i first learnt it was to get some decent speed up on both diabolos and go into a left sprinkler (bearing in mind i am a righty).  Then slip one of the diabolos out leaving one in open string and the other in a left back wrap.  Now i would turn to my right and move behind both diabolos just before the wrapped diabolo climbs over the top of the left stick.  Once it reaches the top i give it a little push away from me whilst bringing the other diabolo up towards my face.  Once they are moving you can get a feel for what you need to do with your hands and try to keep them going round (also keep in mind one will always lose speed - unless you're as crafty as nev with his way to keep speed on them both). 

If however you were talking about an s-fan.  The simplest of ways is from a right armstall and the diabolo in normal open string is then popped to the left and taken into backside with the other diabolo following in the same motion as a normal fan.  Just remember an s-fan requires a little less hand movement than a normal fan because it can pretty much carry itself around.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: cardsharp on August 01, 2007, 06:59:04 AM
-bump-
I know this has probably been rehashed beyond belief, but can someone help me out with timing the entry? I first learned fan and had it solid around january, february. Then, in trying to teach my friend, my timing fell apart. Now, if i can actually get INTO the fan, it'll last for a good while, but I can't actually GET the entry timing anymore :(. Counting tricks, positioning, etc. would be appreciated. I use the armstall or just a left stopover.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Ilias on August 01, 2007, 08:28:30 AM
Try vortex ;)
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Peter Skoett on August 11, 2007, 10:39:27 AM
Nice Tutorial. It really helped me a lot.
Im still working hard on S-fans, and having a lot of trouble with them.
By the way: Im new on Diabolo.ca, just so u know  ;)
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: john_s on August 27, 2007, 01:36:57 PM
sorry for the bump, chaps... just having a wee bit of trouble exiting a normal fan. i enter using sean's vortex method, which works great for me, but when i exit, the left diabolo always has a backwrap. because i start the fan with the right, i assumed i exited with the right also, but that's when i get the wrap. i tried exiting with the left one, but that seems to make things more messy.

i know if i'm getting a wrap then i'm not doing a final full circle with my left diabolo as i exit, i had a similar problem with suns. but i can't seem to figure out why i can't do it. pfffffft.

Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Matt? on August 27, 2007, 07:47:20 PM
i think it may be with the vortex entry, if you dont unwrap the right hand diabolo properly it messes up the entry and you end up doing a fan with a wrap on it. Arm stall/left diab left backwrap entries are easy and dont have this problem, try them.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: monkiatzu on January 14, 2008, 07:38:47 AM
firstly, this is a great video, thanks.
secondly, what are the hand movements in the fan like, please explain.
and finally, what is the difference between a normal fan and a S fan and a C fan.
can someone please tell me, im so confused
thanks
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: barnesy on January 14, 2008, 08:21:26 AM
There's lots of old answers to those questions linked from here: http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=2359.0  They may not be replies to your post, but are still well worth digging through as the answers are in there!
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: William on January 14, 2008, 08:39:22 AM
Hahaah. Check out your post count Barnesy.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: monkiatzu on January 16, 2008, 05:46:34 AM
THANKS SO MUCH!
that answered most of my questions
but is still dont get this, or maybe i do? please tell me if im right:

sean cleared up the rest with an ancient forum i found lol
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Marijn on January 18, 2008, 06:53:53 PM
Is it a common problem that fans are too fast when learning them? My hand movement is o.k. (I think) but my fans are going about 2-3 times faster than they should go. I've been trying to slow them down as much as I can but I can't seem to get a slower ''fan-pattern''. When I try to use a slower handmovement the diabolo's fall out of the fan.

Should I just continue trying to get 'em slower, or are there certains things I should pay extra attention to in order to get normal fans?
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: TomMiller on January 18, 2008, 08:33:06 PM
This is what hepled me, when doing fan get it slighty  slower and work on that speed, then get slightly slower and work on than speed after you are comfortable on the speed you are on
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Marijn on January 19, 2008, 12:30:19 PM
Is it a common problem that fans are too fast when learning them? My hand movement is o.k. (I think) but my fans are going about 2-3 times faster than they should go. I've been trying to slow them down as much as I can but I can't seem to get a slower ''fan-pattern''. When I try to use a slower handmovement the diabolo's fall out of the fan.

Should I just continue trying to get 'em slower, or are there certains things I should pay extra attention to in order to get normal fans?
Here is a little video with some ''fans'', I hope it clarifies my problem a bit.
[youtube=425,350]sSsEUjqq61Q
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: nev on January 19, 2008, 04:25:12 PM
Try and move your hands less (smaller movements) - with fans less is definitely more
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: seán_ on January 19, 2008, 04:32:04 PM
as Nev says (and he definitely knows)

my other thoughts
Some of them looked a bit 'lazy' to me, that is you hadn't turned fully to face the fan. You can fan in that position (and some people prefer it) but might be harder to keep the alignment when facing you can hold them higher, some people find that helps. Other than that just keep at it, find for yourself what hand motions kill speed/knock out of line. But you are well on the way. You might want to try not going for broke but going for a few rotations and exit, then add rotations.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Ginger_Tom on January 19, 2008, 06:49:35 PM
What you are doing marijn, is a lazy fan. Try minimalising the hand movement on the hand closest to the body, but slow the other hand too, be patient.
Try it in front of you, works wonders in many cases.

GT
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Marijn on January 20, 2008, 09:29:31 AM
Thanks a lot for the tips! I will keep them in mind and continue working on my fans.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Dennis on June 13, 2008, 03:44:32 PM
hi guys! ;)

I'm having some trouble with the s-fan.
I can keep it going for about 2-3 seconds and then everything crashes and collapses........

What do I do wrong?
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on June 13, 2008, 04:19:36 PM
hi guys! ;)

I'm having some trouble with the s-fan.
I can keep it going for about 2-3 seconds and then everything crashes and collapses........

What do I do wrong?
I no that when i started S-fan i was trying it way way way too fast, try to keep it really slow.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: gaze on June 17, 2008, 10:35:26 PM
When I start an ac-fan from a vortex entry, I always have to pull the string over the left stick to get the bottom diabolo over the top, otherwise it turns into this ugly sun type thing. Is this the normal technique? I haven't been able to see if this is how it's done in any of the videos. This may be tied into the fact that I can't seem to do multiple vortexes... any tips for that?

Also, any tips for getting a c-fan started from a sun style entry? I can't seem to keep it from just falling into a sun
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: gravity on July 02, 2008, 11:51:58 PM
yo people. im trying to get the s-fan going but im left handed. im going into it with a right handed back rap the first rotation is fine but then i keep getting loops around the left biabolo i dont seam to be able to find the momentem to keep them spinning level with each other. because im left handed im spinning anti clockwise is that right? 
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: UniMA on December 26, 2008, 04:48:39 PM
          Great tutorial! I'm still working on it, but it has helped to inspire me and get the start right.  What is a fan that i could learn after this that speeds the diabolos up? Is it the, im not sure on the exact name, but it's something like a c-fan or s-fan (start with a left sun, then keep going without the diabolo switch at the bottom), or is there some different and better method?
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Sean on December 26, 2008, 06:27:50 PM
Glad you found it useful... it's been a long while since I made that!
What is a fan that i could learn after this that speeds the diabolos up? Is it the, im not sure on the exact name, but it's something like a c-fan or s-fan
That's the s-fan (because of the s-shape the string makes around the diabolos).
(start with a left sun, then keep going without the diabolo switch at the bottom), or is there some different and better method?
That's the c-fan (for the clockwise direction if you're right handed).

There are many ways to enter s- and c-fans. Have a look around the forum and the trick stickies as well as with the search function. Here are some good threads to start with:

2d s-fan start (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=2615.0)
Am I doing an S-fan, AC Fan, C Fan? [was: Man I suck at...] (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1575.0)
S-Fan Exits: A Video Tutorial (with 2 new exits) (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=617.0)
S-Fan corrections, stability, tips? (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=60.0)
Left sun/Left C-Fan (difference) tutorial (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1237.0)
Title: Re: fan tutorial
Post by: mike. on January 28, 2009, 11:52:05 PM
maybe this (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=20) will help.

again, please use the search button. its at the top of the trick sticky.

mike
Title: Re: fan tutorial
Post by: Duncan on January 28, 2009, 11:56:01 PM
maybe this (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=20) will help.

again, please use the search button. its at the top of the trick sticky.

mike

By the time you replied, I'd finally merged the topics together. Ah well.

sean, check out the this thread that I've merged your topic with - more than enough information here to get your fans working.
Title: regular fan help
Post by: Neil on March 21, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere but could anybody help me with the hand action for a regular anti clockwise fan?  I'm reasonably proficiant with two diabolos but after extensively trying left backwrap, arm stall, and vortex entries i just can't keep the fan going.
after one or two rotations the distance between the diabolos immediately changes and one diabolo always flies off away from me.
i feel like the problem is that i'm driving far more with my left than my right hand?
perhaps if someone could explain to me how the fan is actually driven that would help

thanks, Neil
Title: Re: regular fan help
Post by: Duncan on March 21, 2009, 05:33:54 PM
...Stuff about getting fans working...

I merged your topic with this thread. Take a look at some of the earlier pages, as they'll help you fuss out how the motion should work. I found this (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=20.msg11144#msg11144) which might help how to sort your hand motions out.
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: zwiggelbig on March 23, 2009, 12:54:26 PM
Hey I'm struggling with the fan also now but I have a question about how the entry works.

When you do the backwrap entry with the left stick ( right handed ) You wrap it unwrap it and then comes my question. Right after this usualy when I turn the right diabolo that isn't wrapped flys off.. But I tried to slow the motion down.

Do you start the turn and start the fan motion after the right diabolo hits the left string? Because right after you unwrap it your right diabolo that you have not wrapped flys in the air and goes to the left string.'

I hope someone of you can help me out with this =)
Thanks in advance.

Ramon
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Sean on March 23, 2009, 01:43:14 PM
When I do it, I think about the diabolo that I am putting the wrap on. When it comes around, backwrap it and then go. If your other diabolo is flying off it means you aren't getting your hand around it fast enough and you're starting the motion with an open string. So, backwrap when that diabolo gets into place, turn quickly, and then unwrap and get your right hand up and over the other diabolo quickly. It can also be a stop over instead of a backwrap. You could also try the over the arm start. (This is assuming you don't have the vortex down yet.)
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: zwiggelbig on March 24, 2009, 08:12:41 PM
Hey Sean thanks alot! That really helped me alot. I know understand how it goes a bit. And I'm now at the following point:

I backwrap the left diabolo, I turn, I unwrap it, I catch the right diabolo in the string and I put my right stick above it so the diabolo comes around once.

But then after that my left diabolo falls out of the string and I can't figure out how come.. Anyone knows what I'm doing wrong that causes that?

Thanks!

Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: Ben. on March 24, 2009, 08:33:11 PM
Think about what you are doing Ramon.
Really i know you can work it out for yourself with all of the help on the forum.
Keep it slow is all i'm saying...
Title: Re: Fan tutorial on Diabolo.ca
Post by: zwiggelbig on March 24, 2009, 08:36:00 PM
Think about what you are doing Ramon.
Really i know you can work it out for yourself with all of the help on the forum.
Keep it slow is all i'm saying...

Yea Ben thats the best thing you ever said to me. ' Try to figure out whats going wrong ' I found out why my right diabolo kept flying of the string because I was actualy thinking how come? And I just had a run of 3 seconds of a fan!!! The left diddn't flew off. But I can't figure why it does sometimes..

But I'm getting to a fan  :o
SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2022, SimplePortal