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Title: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on February 15, 2007, 11:27:41 PM
I have tried something new, not really, but I picked it up.
Inspired from a video of a Japanese who played with a single sided diabolo which I have seen long ago,
on the other side from barnesy who posted in Dezember
http://www.google/patents ...

The result is this prototyp of a single sided diabolo which could be used as a spinner.
Next weekend Flo (sparx) suggested to make a video on the Mannhein Convention in Germany...

(http://diabolonet-shop.homepage.t-online.de/Prototyp%20Circus%20Single%20Sided.jpg)

Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Shaun on February 16, 2007, 05:50:37 AM
i recon you could do some mad vertax tricks with that.
looks very professional (shiny)
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: martijn on February 16, 2007, 02:53:45 PM
I'm still in doubt about the whole onesided diabolo style... I mean, it's fun to mess around with... but for real?
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Steve-O on February 16, 2007, 05:50:24 PM
ha does it work like the one sided one do i agree with miesta it does look very professional any tricks yet/ well i would like to see it if has a vid to it
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Dan on February 16, 2007, 09:35:37 PM
Attach some small angled blades to that cup and you have yourself a mad flying machine....  :P  Looks quite nice and professional, guess you'll have to film some tricks with it now  ;)
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: n3mo on February 20, 2007, 11:08:51 PM
that looks nice.
as for tricks, its more impressive in vertax...I saw somebody who balanced it like a top on their hand, threw it up and continued their vertax. looks pretty sweet =]
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Tom Derrick on February 21, 2007, 01:56:46 AM

Attach some small angled blades to that cup and you have yourself a mad flying machine....  :P

This needs to be done!
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: William on February 21, 2007, 04:32:04 AM

Attach some small angled blades to that cup and you have yourself a mad flying machine.


Oh yes. How about Vertax passing? >:)
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on February 21, 2007, 07:46:21 PM
for a video you must wait a little bit, as said before we will try to make
it on the Mannheim Convention next weekend.
I am still expermenting with the weight and the form,
I had a second idea for form, hope this is also ready till next weekend.
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Steve-O on March 05, 2007, 08:16:59 PM
has the video come? i would really like to see tis thing in action
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on March 05, 2007, 11:03:04 PM
we have made a short video saturday last week on the convention of Mannheim,
you must wait till Flo has come to an end.
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Steve-O on March 07, 2007, 06:32:06 PM
ok sounds good how did it go though?
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: tRPz* on March 24, 2007, 09:00:37 PM
may sound stupid but whats the huge silver bit
it just looks like a big shiny metal thing

or one hell of an axle!
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: William on March 24, 2007, 11:17:02 PM
Its weight to keep it balanced. Seriously couldn't you work that out?
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on March 31, 2007, 07:58:20 PM
I have added a small vid on Youtube where you could see
how the run over the floor....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRO52MgnI7w
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: stupendous on April 01, 2007, 01:29:15 AM
That looks very cool!  I have thrown a tiwanesse diabolo with the top part attached.  They look like this....

(http://www.extremespin.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1301&d=1175101695)

But I have not done anything more interesting then make it spin on the floor....

-stu
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: k2pek2 on April 01, 2007, 07:01:25 AM
is the red one different than the yellow one?
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on April 01, 2007, 11:22:20 AM
I think with a balanced one you could do the same as with a "normal" diabolo.
The red one is my second test sample...
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: kjm on April 02, 2007, 03:16:49 PM

Attach some small angled blades to that cup and you have yourself a mad flying machine....  


Vertax ppassing like that would be pretty cool
toss i across an entire football feild and and catch it in vertx and pass back ;D
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on July 02, 2007, 07:13:27 PM
The second prototyp is now ready

(http://diabolonet-shop.homepage.t-online.de/second%20prototyp.jpg)
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Diabolo88 on July 03, 2007, 11:08:28 AM
Can they still spin in the hand like the taiwanese brands (the bottom looks sharp). If they can I would consider buying one. They look a bit on the "rough" side. How are they for stickcorrections?

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Attach some small angled blades to that cup and you have yourself a mad flying machine

How about knives and you have yourself a deadly flying lawnmower ;D. Seriously though, flying blades is a good idea.
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Jussi on July 03, 2007, 12:16:49 PM
here is some stuff with that first prototype by samuli männistö..

www.supiainen.com/files/diabolo.wmv
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Mathias P. on July 03, 2007, 01:27:36 PM
Great Stuff!!! (And a nice Music too :D)

PeAcE

Mathias P.
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on July 03, 2007, 06:03:52 PM
samuli männistö has got the first sample from me, and
I asked him yesterday, whether it is allowed to post the link.
He said today that it is possible if I like, but Kapis was quicker than me...
The video will be added to Youtube soon.

I like the video and the way he uses this diabolo, so I will starting them into series in the next days...
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Diabolo88 on July 04, 2007, 06:48:35 AM
They look good. Probably more stable for normal play too?
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on July 04, 2007, 06:32:52 PM
you must not go in a circle to play with it...
here is the streaming version of Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIdn531_BkQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIdn531_BkQ)
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Matt? on July 04, 2007, 07:24:46 PM
I take it is possible to do 2 with those JC, perhaps i might need to buy some!
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on July 04, 2007, 08:29:04 PM
I think it is possible to do two, but think the correction of two
is more difficult than with two normal ones. I will keep you informed about this.
Series products with the one you could see in the video would be available in
middle till end of August. The other one, which you could see on the picture are perhaps available
on the EJC in Athens.
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Alex! on July 04, 2007, 08:39:27 PM
I would definitely buy one of those black single sided diabs at the EJC. How much would you be selling them for?
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: David - SAS1 on July 04, 2007, 09:13:53 PM
This may sound really stupid but what is the advantage of single sided over normal
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on July 04, 2007, 09:26:40 PM
@David
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This may sound really stupid but what is the advantage of single sided over normal

Have you seen the video which I posted some lines above?

@Alex
concerning the small quantity I will produce the price should be about 39 Euro.
A white version will also be available.

Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: David - SAS1 on July 04, 2007, 09:31:34 PM
I did, the only advantage seemed to be the spinning on the floor.  I just wondered of there were any other tricks that make it so unique.  I do think it looks like a good model though
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on July 05, 2007, 07:55:58 PM
One positve aspect is also that you could train with this diabolo
your accuracy in the way you play.
Btw, some will not like the design, some will like it...
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Niclas 2 on September 03, 2007, 01:48:37 PM
I have bought one single sided circus on Fdc. They are
very nice.

Can they still spin in the hand like the taiwanese brands?

Yes Tempei did that, on Fdc.
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on September 03, 2007, 06:17:34 PM
Yes, I provided some of them to Samuli before the Fdc,
he told me yesterday that Tempei took two of them to Japan :)
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Amic on September 16, 2007, 11:07:41 PM
Is there a video where the new model (black with two axes) ? What is the second axe designed for ?

Last, is there a weight kit we could put if we use light kit with this kind of diabolo ?
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Eric Moffett on September 16, 2007, 11:54:18 PM
Is there a video where the new model (black with two axes) ? What is the second axe designed for ?

Last, is there a weight kit we could put if we use light kit with this kind of diabolo ?

I believe the point was to reduce weight...
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: William on September 17, 2007, 04:31:20 AM
Yes Moffett. But if you reduced weight around the hubs, but added weight closer to the edge of the diabolo.  You could have a Circus the same weight as stock, but much more stable. You could even put on a Finesse weight kit using Jurgens conversion kit. (http://www.diabolonet-shop.homepage.t-online.de/Universal%20Adapter%20Set%20for%20Evolution%204%20light%20kit%20diaboloca.jpg)
Good modding idea I think.
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Marko on September 17, 2007, 08:44:30 AM
Thanks JC for making these diabolos, "monobolos" as we call them now. ;) I got my
monobolos at the FDC. So i've been testing them since. They keep good balance and
i'm happy about that. Now i'm working on the trick i saw Tempei do at the FDC. Which
was vertax genocide, but instead of catching it straight to genocide you throw it to your
hand and from there back to air and to genocide... Looks really calm and it doesn't need
that fast moves.

Yea it true that Tempei took some of them to Japan. Something like five axelsets if i remember
correctly... And to the people who wonder and ask stuff. The second axel makes diabolo turn
around.

Aaro succeeded on doing three diabolo low with the monobolos, and we also got that on video.
Correcting diabolos is more difficult  when doing numbers. You must have to be accurate not to throw
diabolo on its second axel by accident.

What goes to the weight kits i think the one-sided diabolo is little bit heavier than Jürgens light-weight-kit.
But it's not too heavy for my opinion. Just that much that you can see the difference. Oh and yet one thing,
don't drop monobolo from your vertax to your toes. The diabolo comes down pretty hard. ;)
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on September 17, 2007, 08:00:43 PM
@William,
in the moment it is not possible to add a light kit to the Monobolos,
the weight of the light kit would bring it out of balance...
perhaps I will made something like that in future, but first I had to make
another prop, I promised that on the EJC...

@Marko,
Thanks for your detailed comment, but as you said be careful ;)
You should have also enough space, that you could heart nobody with it.
I have some holes now in my wooden floor, since that I play on the carpet...
Monobolo, I like that name for these diabolos, and will pick up this.

Concerning the way to play, I also mentioned that you had to play very correct,
if the string comes in the second axle you must move arround...
On the other hand I found it is a good training to play more correct, without the second
cup, and without forced centering.

Concerning the weight you are also right it is 5 - 10g heavier than a Henrys Circus with Ultra Leicht Kits.
By the way, it seems for me that the finnish Diabolo Convention was a big fun





Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: William on September 18, 2007, 02:32:12 AM
@William,
in the moment it is not possible to add a light kit to the Monobolos,
the weight of the light kit would bring it out of balance...
perhaps I will made something like that in future, but first I had to make
another prop, I promised that on the EJC...

I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about a regular circus. By taking the weight from the diabolo with your hubs. Then using your conversion kit to put on a weight kit not a light kit. So it would be around the weight of a circus with some POM hubs (I think) but much more stable.
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on September 18, 2007, 08:12:10 PM
Seems that I misunderstand you, the weight of a Circus with my Ultra Leicht kits is 250g.
The Henrys Circus with the original POM hubs is between 250g - 270g, this dependes which orginal axle kit you use...
If you add the Evolution 4 Light Kit combined with the my Ultra or Standard Leicht Kit, the weight is 300g.
So you have the same weight as with a regular Henrys Circus.
Conclusion, the momentum of a normal Henrys Circus with aluminium hubs is not so good as the combination of Evolution 4 Light Kit and Ultra or Standard Leicht kit. The same effect (better momentum) it is with the Ultralight and the Twist Kit from Henrys (they also reduce the weight about 50g).

If you add the Evolution 4 Light Kit to a normal Henrys Circus the weight is 350g, this is very heavy...

 

Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: William on September 19, 2007, 02:22:19 AM
I wasn't talking about light kits! I'm talking about WEIGHT KITS if its made for might kits, weight kits will fit also.
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Amic on September 19, 2007, 11:10:09 AM
Oops I think all the confusion comes from me. In fact it comes from this language call english, where light and light don't mean the same thing...

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Last, is there a weight kit we could put if we use light kit with this kind of diabolo ?

I apologize for the weight and light in the same sentence... light kit was just a LED kit (evolution4 for example).
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on September 22, 2007, 06:35:14 PM
I think now it is clear, you could attach onto the babache conversion adapter also weight kits...
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: JC on July 20, 2008, 09:01:41 PM
Since this week the Monobolos are also available with a white axle.
Here is a photo of them

(http://diabolonet-shop.homepage.t-online.de/MONOBOLO%20blau%20mit%20weisser%20Achse.jpg)
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Marko on July 20, 2008, 10:20:20 PM
Yeah, all white monobolos here we come! Think i might have one after EJC ;)
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: seaneatsmuffins on January 11, 2009, 06:56:20 PM
where can i get 1 with american dollars
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Marko on January 12, 2009, 12:21:56 AM
Well, if the JC for some reason can't sell for ya. Get back to me. Then I can fix you up with one.
But the better way is to pm JC first. He can give it for cheaper price. ;)
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: TimEllis on January 13, 2009, 01:46:24 PM
Do any of these single sided diabolos have bearing axles?

I recently got a Sundia single sider, but it has a bearing axle.  I'm having trouble getting it spinning up due to confusion.
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Eric Moffett on January 13, 2009, 01:57:47 PM
Do any of these single sided diabolos have bearing axles?

I recently got a Sundia single sider, but it has a bearing axle.  I'm having trouble getting it spinning up due to confusion.

JC's Monobolo do not have bearings and are balanced. Though I also think you can put the fixed axle kit on a bearing one sided fly.
Title: Re: Single sided with a Circus Cup
Post by: Marko on January 13, 2009, 03:14:22 PM
Yeah, Eric said it. Monobolo's are balanced like diabolos. For the story how these were
created check out, http://mudflapcake.blogspot.com/ (http://mudflapcake.blogspot.com/) <-monobolo post.

Also buying the monobolo means you get actually two kits for you circus. Lighter and wider hubs = ultraleichtkit. Lighter normal hubs = leicht kit. So if you buy monobolo you actually get three different things. ;) Only thing you need to do is use original washers and buy some bolt for your circus, wich is really cheap. For finesse users, yes. The monobolo can be assebled with Jürgens adaptor kit for finesse. But then the weight distribution is messed up. I haven't experimented enough to tell you how to make it balanced. Perhaps someday JC or somebody else will figure out it and balance monobolo for finesse too. Mean time, we use circus (i would do that anyways, paid circus advertisement, Henry's if you hear me please send me one circus for this). ;)

I realize this is old knowledge for most of people. But i've had to explain this oh so many times trough msn. Monobolos are made from parts that JC makes. If they are stuck together it doesn't necessarily mean that they can't be separated. That's my tip of the day.

Cheers.
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