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Title: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: The Void on July 10, 2007, 12:49:32 PM
Seriously folks, it's ugly, and it's not worth getting your collective knickers in a twist about. Come on dudes, just concentrate on some real diabolo tricks instead of this nasty spacky jerkfest.

Thanks, you may now go about your day.

The Void
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Retardant
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: barnesy on July 10, 2007, 01:24:05 PM
It does have some merit, and can be interesting as a bit of variety in an act, but yeah, it mostly bores me.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Susannah on July 10, 2007, 02:27:30 PM
It's clearly rubbish when done badly, but I have to admit enjoying watching people who do it well. Whether or not it's worth the amount of practice it takes to actually be able to do it is another matter.

I think I'll stick with saying it's just not right unless I actually reach the stage where I can make it look good  ;)
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Spink on July 10, 2007, 02:34:32 PM
I agree with The Void, RUBBISH

no click
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Niclas on July 10, 2007, 02:37:46 PM
Vertax is absolute not rubbish.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Arjan on July 10, 2007, 02:59:47 PM
Hahah, I love how you say that. In my opinion, vertax can be done in a nice way though. What about Tr'espace for example?

Sorry Void, you might not like it, and yeah it looks sometimes like a nasty spacky jerkfest, but I`m sure it doesn't have to be like that.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Crackers on July 10, 2007, 04:03:10 PM
I like it XD
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: martijn on July 10, 2007, 04:06:01 PM
Now that's some thought-provoking material right there folks! ;D
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: dave from the grave on July 10, 2007, 04:19:19 PM
Doesn't personal preference come to anyones mind?
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Eric Moffett on July 10, 2007, 04:26:36 PM
Vertax is not rubbish, it's a very unique way to play with the diabolo, and when done correctly, it is a lot of fun to watch. Like when Jose does a web in vertax in The Diabolo Feeling 3. As another diaboloist, I find that very fascinated as I am still learning with vertax. In my experience, most people who don't like stuff, are the same people who can't do it, or can't do it well.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: garner on July 10, 2007, 04:54:50 PM
it's a very unique way to play with the diabolo
hahahaha

void saying that vertax is rubbish is the same as me saying that 3 low is rubbish. its a heavy stereotype but for the most part i find 3 low boring and useless, thats not to say that i can't be amazed by it. but most people always do the same things with it.
...maybe thats how the void feels. its just that everybody is doing the same things with vertax and they strive to learn a trick which has already been done and shouldn't be overdone (vertax genocides and such) while forgetting that improving form and simply creating brand new tricks is better to watch and a better thing to perform.

or am i talking rubbish
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Alex! on July 10, 2007, 05:01:58 PM
everybody is doing the same things with vertax and they strive to learn a trick which has already been done and shouldn't be overdone
Isn't that what most people do with normal angled diabolo all the time. The main difference though and reason why some people may find it boring is because not many people make vertax combos but just perform single tricks instead with intervals of Chinese whips.

I don't think there is much point of starting a topic to say vertax is rubbish. Its not as if everyone will just stop learning it.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: garner on July 10, 2007, 05:12:39 PM
Isn't that what most people do with normal angled diabolo all the time. The main difference though and reason why some people may find it boring is because not many people make vertax combos but just perform single tricks instead with intervals of Chinese whips.

I don't think there is much point of starting a topic to say vertax is rubbish. Its not as if everyone will just stop learning it.
but some people may take heed of the thoughts and decide to make it better. or to focus on other diabolo aspects.

...whats stopping you from making a long combo in vertax, and whats making you 'steal' other peoples tricks on the regular axis?        nothing.it only serves to slow down progress
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: David - SAS1 on July 10, 2007, 05:32:59 PM
Personally I really enjoy vertax and find it the most creative as there is relatively few defined tricks compared to normal diabolo, I just think that sometimes people are not imaginative enough so they just use the same old tricks (genocides) where as if they try to be really creative and think are lots of new tricks then people may be more interested because they are seeing new tricks.

Wow all one sentance but those are my views
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: -Leo- on July 10, 2007, 05:44:25 PM
About two months ago I would've agreed (almost completely) with what The Void said, but then I realised it's just another challenge. Also whoever said vetex is 'unique' isn't true now, that may have been true a couple of years ago but it isn't anymore.

I think it was said in a light hearted manner and no-one should take it too seriously,

-Leo
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: martijn on July 10, 2007, 07:24:43 PM
Oh, so now it's vetex? :P
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Dracodragon on July 10, 2007, 07:34:19 PM
Haha, yeah whatever happened to Excalibur? Now we're changing the "a" to "e" in vertax...  ;)

Anyway, my two cents on this. Personally, I love the vertax style. I find it challenging and amazing. Although there are not as much tricks possible, I still find it unique. It also seems to get some crowd pleasing as well when I use it in performances, so it isnt too boring from an audience perspective I suppose. Well, what really matters to me is that I like the style. To tell you all the truth, I wouldnt really give a damn if everyone hated the style, I will still do it because I think its cool. Not to seem rude or anything, but thats the cold hard truth when it comes to what I practice with diabolo (although it doesnt mean I am going to have a closed mind about new tricks and different styles).
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: nev on July 10, 2007, 08:22:53 PM
I hate vertax  ;)
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Pete on July 10, 2007, 09:59:59 PM
I've never really been a big fan of vertax, its good fun and at times very impressive. I'll admit i don't enjoy doing it all that much, it feels a little clumsy, but thats only because i don't do it enough. For ages i was annoyed at how stage acts would all have a short, and sometimes lame excalibur part in the middle just to prove it could be done to their audience, even if it looked naf. But i can see why some people would love to do it and prefer it to normal axis diabolo. As Dave from the grave said, it really is a matter of personal preference. If someone wants to do vertax and you think its rubbish, let them do it and feel justified by the fact that you think they look stupid or whatever. If someone doesnt want to practice vertax and you think they should, let them not do it, and quietly know that they're missing out.  Don't make a song and dance about it, just let them get on with it and do something worthwhile, instead of moaning about what other people are doing.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: OLOBAID on July 10, 2007, 10:37:40 PM
the most enjoyable thing on vertax is passing :) i love vertax passing, its soo much fun!
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Jesse on July 10, 2007, 11:09:57 PM
I really wasn't a fan of vertax until I learned genocides. Now I'm addicted and absolutely love it!
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Shaun on July 10, 2007, 11:34:42 PM
this was unexpected! :-\
i use to not like it, but then i learnt how to do it, and i love it :D
like jesse, vertax genocides, whips, passing ufos etc are all addictive
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Matt D on July 11, 2007, 12:48:03 AM
Although there are not as much tricks possible,
\

Who says there are less pssibilities, there should be just as many things to do and some that can't be done with a normal axis diabolo. The only thing is that it seems that people just try to convert normal diabolo tricks into verax, that is why vertax is boring alot of the time. People who are really good at vertax should try to make new tricks instead of just converting old ones. Unfortunately I am terible at vertax so I don't really know what could be done.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: tomangleberger on July 11, 2007, 03:31:29 AM
Doesn't this week's VOTW prove that Vertax isn't rubbish?

Despite my inability to progress at it, I think it's the most exciting part of diabolo.

Rather surprised to hear anyone is uninterested. I cant wait to see what they come up with next.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Eric Moffett on July 11, 2007, 03:43:12 AM
You know... as soon as somebody gets a good 2 diabolo vertax, everybody will be doing it =/ and it will go from "Vertax is rubbish" to "Vertax is not rubbish" =/ something I thought about.

Is it ok if I make all my text blue? It's readable enough?
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: barnesy on July 11, 2007, 08:17:36 AM
Is it ok if I make all my text blue? It's readable enough?
No. And no.  Right, I'm glad that's sorted.   
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: tommi on July 11, 2007, 08:52:35 AM
I don't think excalibur is rubbish, most people are just rubbish at it :D. Only few has taken it to the level where it is actually interesting to watch for a bit longer time (Tr'espace for example). I think  body movement is very important part of excalibur-diabolo, not only spinning around to keep the diabolo from tilting, but something that really is part of the trick itself. And also the thing in excalibur I find interesting is passing, there is so much things you can do, and it adds something to the movement-element. So yeah, two or more persons, nice choreography's and dynamic passing with vertical axis diabolo, that would be sweet (Tr'espace again ;D)
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: The Void on July 20, 2007, 12:18:31 PM
Right then...

OK, firstly sorry for being a bit hit-and-run - I started this topic just before I went away for a week. Mostly with my tongue in my cheek, and to see the reaction. :-)

Tijn: Yep, it certainly seemed to stir up a bit of a hornet's nest. There are obviously those out there who are less than wowwed by Vertax. To reply some specific comments....

Alex, Jarkho: impressive to who? Impressiveness is subjective

Niclas: Nice argument

Arjan: There are exceptions to every rule. I've seen Tr'espace's show, and loved it.

moff3tt: I choose not to learn vertax, 'cos I don't like the way it looks. I'm sure I could learn (at least the basics of) it quite quickly if I wanted.

garner: No, you're not. Well said.

SAS1: That's not a sentence.

Draco: "I wouldnt really give a damn if everyone hated the style, I will still do it because I think its cool." Good for you.

Nev: How can you say such a blatantly provocative thing?! ;-)

tomangleberger: That votw is rubbish. As for the one afterwards.... Oh my prophetic soul!

So to close, if you want to do vertax, or whatever, go ahead and I'll watch someone else in the meantime. Maybe I'll change my mind one day. But that day is not today, tomorrow or next week.

The Void
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...was sorely tempted to put a bit of Garner doing vertax in the Bungay video. You know, just for kicks...
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: David - SAS1 on July 20, 2007, 05:03:35 PM
SAS1: That's not a sentence.

Ok, maybe not, it is more clauses placed next to each other without connectives
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: karatepekka on July 23, 2007, 04:51:37 PM
For you who think that vertax is rubbish.

You are just jealous because you cant do the tricks yourself.
Ofcourse it looks like rubbish if you cant do any tricks, so stop whining and start practising!!
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: DiaboloFeeling on July 23, 2007, 06:06:54 PM
.. just...    xD!, so funny post
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: garner on July 23, 2007, 06:10:19 PM
guys. STOP! he made a closing statement already
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Marco on July 24, 2007, 10:01:02 PM
My opinion is that vertax is not rubbish. There is lot's of ways to choose how to diabolo, and vertax is just one of them. Some people may wan't to master all of the styles (or just most of them). Vertax is very impressive, if its "done right". If that would talked about me, that's true, because i can't do it. Some people may be bored to normal way of doing diabolo, they wan't to try new. Vertax is good way to start doing something different. I don't know what others think, but i wan't to improve my skills in diabolo. But, those are just my opinios... Sorry if i somehow managed to insult somebody. I didn't ment to say anything bad.

Marco

guys. STOP! he made a closing statement already

Sorry  ;) Just wanted to express my opinion.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: nev on July 24, 2007, 11:37:15 PM
guys. STOP! he made a closing statement already


I 2nd that.... click (& I don't click lightly) - time gentlemen please!
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: busk on July 28, 2007, 07:19:29 PM
i love to do excalibur..but not so much watching it..



is like jazz music..
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: mofro on July 30, 2007, 05:06:32 PM
I hear you brother VOID its crap and you all know it so just face the truth.

mofro
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Ginger_Tom on July 31, 2007, 11:13:38 AM
The void, as always, is right.
VERTAX IS ****ING ****!
Really bad diabolo.
It's just a poor show.
Nev keeps saying i'll get into it, but, nah.

GT

PS: I know he made a closing statement nev, but seriously, it sucks.
PSSSSSSSSST (apart from the crazy shiz nev tries with it)
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Ilias on July 31, 2007, 03:22:15 PM
This topic is rubbish..
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: karl e dangerous on July 31, 2007, 07:27:37 PM
this topic ended many messages back but hey vertax is not crap its an amazing skill to hold and if u think it sucks you suck and should not refer to yourself as a diaboloist i however cant vertax but want to be able to ;D
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: looby on April 30, 2009, 12:59:05 PM
Vertax is rubbish
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: nev on April 30, 2009, 01:05:37 PM
honestly looby, you could at least get it vertical next time -1 for sloppyness
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: mykill on April 30, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
it is rubbish
learned vertax genocide and that it...
surprisingly its the audience's favourite trick often  :-|
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: martijn on April 30, 2009, 08:52:15 PM
You're a genius!
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Ben. on April 30, 2009, 08:57:56 PM
error on page with the attached picture for anyone else?

and vertax is really not rubbish.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Marijn on April 30, 2009, 10:44:45 PM
Looby :-*
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: The Void on May 03, 2009, 03:06:33 PM
Nev, I blame the photographer.

Nice tee-shirt, Looby - where did you get it? ;-)

The Void
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sig-hiders are missing www.tlmb.net/tees (http://www.tlmb.net/tees)
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Synkful on May 26, 2009, 04:59:20 PM
Haha I belive all who says it's more rubish then any other catogories (I belive I spelled that wrong) of diabolo, is because they just can't handle it : ) Go practice, learn it, and you'll love it!
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: martijn on May 28, 2009, 08:06:54 PM
I removed some of the last posts in this thread, because well... they weren't leading to anything. If you have nothing useful to contribute, please withhold from posting.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Aleksi on June 02, 2009, 09:08:53 PM
Vertax is not rubbish but this topic is rubbish.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Alex! on June 03, 2009, 12:40:51 AM
Vertax is not rubbish but this topic is rubbish.
Ooooooooh! Those be fightin' words! :P
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: mike. on June 03, 2009, 02:31:18 AM
RUBBISH FIGHT
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Sean on June 03, 2009, 02:35:32 AM
(http://diabolo.ca/images/forum/singapore-rubbish.jpg)
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: William on June 03, 2009, 03:40:15 AM
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m241/Willba5/vertaxisrubbish.jpg)

Note the plane the diabolo is on, relevant to this thread.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Sean on June 03, 2009, 04:15:03 AM
(http://diabolo.ca/images/forum/vertax-free.jpg)


Subtle? Check. Took way too long? Check. A waste of time? I think not.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: William on June 03, 2009, 04:49:59 AM
Brilliant! So worth it. I bow to you.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Hack on June 03, 2009, 05:21:48 AM
Game, set, and match to Sean!
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on December 11, 2009, 06:09:09 PM
vertax is not rubbish
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: christoi on December 11, 2009, 10:29:16 PM
Although there are not as much tricks possible,

There a loads of vetax tricks. You can take most 1d tricks and do it sideways. You just do it while spinning in circles. What happened to elkku?

Personaly, I think vertax (or should I say vertex? xD) is not rubbish. It looks amazing and is usually a crowd pleaser. A problem that I find is annoying is that you cannot do it in a small space. The neck transfer is a "real" vertax trick as it cannot be done with 1d. 2d vetax has been done by tres'pace and the sharpe brothers also did it on be sharpe with the ice.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Will G on December 11, 2009, 10:33:50 PM
Vertax is a lot more limited than 1d, less fun (my opinion) , and just feels rather akward. It only matters if it's a crowd pleaser if you actually perform, and in any case, diabolo should be done for fun, not to impress crowds/friends or any onlookers.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on December 11, 2009, 11:56:32 PM
Look at M4U's Excalibur video.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Will G on December 12, 2009, 09:40:08 AM
Not saying vertax is limited, just more limited than normal 1d
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: christoi on December 12, 2009, 10:26:10 AM
Vertax is a lot more limited than 1d, less fun (my opinion)
Less fun? I enjoy vertax, it's just fustrating to learn trick like with 1d. There is no such thing as a limited amount of tricks- there is just too many vertax tricks that are impossible to do. (e.g. the 6x vertax genocide, etc.)
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Tipper on December 12, 2009, 10:30:41 AM
vertax is rubbish (because i cant do neck transfer -.-' )

but why not learn it anyways? :D
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: ERIK da blue on December 12, 2009, 10:56:14 AM
Personaly, I think vertax (or should I say vertex? xD) is not rubbish. It looks amazing and is usually a crowd pleaser.

elevator is a crowd pleaser. That is also rubbish.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Hathaway on December 12, 2009, 11:05:53 AM
You can do a neck transfer without being in vertax... its in loads of body combos.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Icebox on December 12, 2009, 03:33:32 PM
vertax has some really good tricks and i find it good to watch, but it's too difficult to make a vertax performance smooth if you add tricks. If there were a way to make vertax as smooth as one diabolo, i'd say it wasn't rubbish, but you can't, so it's rubbish
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Arthur on December 12, 2009, 06:02:21 PM
What is the problem with Vertax!
It's just another position of the diabolo, and it expands the amount of tricks you can do with your diabolo.
People shouldn't make such a problem of other people doing it. I think most important is that the preformer of the tricks likes what he/she is doing.
most of the comments are just stereotyping vertax...
I like vertax btw, even wish i was better at it.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Icebox on December 13, 2009, 04:48:43 PM
I'm changing my opinion. I think vertax is not rubbish, but it should be left to those who can do it well or are willing to practice it to make it look better. My previous reasoning still stands.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: The Void on December 13, 2009, 05:36:52 PM
Ah, the thread that won't die. Wear your hearts on your sleeves! (http://www.capsule39.com/item/tlmb/vertaxwhite.php)... er chests....

The Void
..................
Has a bigger spoon than you.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Marko on December 13, 2009, 08:15:56 PM
Oh vertax is just so Rubbish. Don't do it people. There is just no reason why anyone would like to do vertax.

The less people do it, the better the ones doing it will seem to be. ;) Now that would make me cool...
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: maunch on December 15, 2009, 06:34:48 AM
elevator is a crowd pleaser. That is also rubbish.

Hater!!  :'(
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Toddyupa on December 16, 2009, 09:08:11 AM
ELJAS? JOONA? M4U? MATT HALL!
Have a look at them, then fly to Australia and tell me with a straight face that Vertax is Rubbish!
Seriously, I don't get why someone started the whole Vertax is Rubbish idea that all so long ago. Completely random and out of the blue.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: GreenFinesse25 on December 16, 2009, 10:55:35 AM
Vertax is not rubbish if you can do it like the Sharpe Bros. Lol
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Hathaway on December 16, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
Looby invented it!
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Marko on December 16, 2009, 10:27:40 PM
I used to get angry over this whole movement. Apparently i've switched sides, since it's true. Most of jugglers can't even do proper vertax ;) So where can i get these shirts again?
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: mike. on December 17, 2009, 01:16:49 AM
I used to get angry over this whole movement. Apparently i've switched sides, since it's true. Most of jugglers can't even do proper vertax ;) So where can i get these shirts again?

YES, and the links in the voids sig
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Toddyupa on December 18, 2009, 03:50:46 AM
WHAT??? Marko, but, you like, but, did all the, like, finger grinds and manipulation with the string, and, like, but, I'm in real shock here. Emotional time for me. The Vertax haters are winning. This can't be...
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Marko on December 18, 2009, 03:29:00 PM
Yea, i still do put most of my practice time to vertax, hoping that someday it will be anything but rubbish. In it's current state vertax is rubbish. I've gotta admit that. People are just focusing on genocides (like what's happening with genocides and integrals with normax right now) and that's not at all the thing that i like about vertax. It can be so much more but it isn't.  Really.

So this is mainly the reason why i believe that vertax is rubbish. We'll see how it progresses if people care to put time needed to learn vertax properly. Most people can't even stay still while doing vertax, now the control needed for that is ancient, like 4-5years old. It's oldschool and still it is so rare to see a decent control over vertax. For all this i happily agree with Void and others that "Vertax is Rubbish." (Even bought one t-shirt for support.)

That doesn't still change the fact that i like to practice vertax. Don't loose all the faith in the world Toddyupa. Maybe someday vertax will claim it's place in diabolo discipline. But that day is not today or even this year.

Cheers.

-Marko
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: christoi on December 18, 2009, 04:47:49 PM
Yea, i still do put most of my practice time to vertax, hoping that someday it will be anything but rubbish. In it's current state vertax is rubbish. I've gotta admit that. People are just focusing on genocides (like what's happening with genocides and integrals with normax right now) and that's not at all the thing that i like about vertax. It can be so much more but it isn't.  Really.

I agree that most people are focusing on genocides now. Its because it's the few vertax tutorials there are and it's amzing to pull off. There are more tricks but they don't try it becasue it's either there taking time perfecting genocides, it's too difficult or they don't know how to do it/ can't bothered to try to get it. There are loads of tricks that can be done with practice. An example is the vertax loop genocide in the video "Turn it Out." It's the vertax version of the loop genocide by Pranny. It's a bit different but the concept is simmilar.

Sadly, people learn it, learn a couple of tricks and just stop altogether. Like 3D, some people just give up and stop. The reason why people say its rubbish is probably becasue they cannot do it and ish jelous of others who can. (Although I am rubbish at it I still think its not rubbish  :P)

I think vertax is great and I encourage others to continue doing vertax. Then you will hopefully regret it if you said that vertax was rubbish.  :-D
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on December 18, 2009, 05:32:13 PM
The two diabolo excalibur grind column in 40 below Pt. 2. Watch it if you think vertax is rubbish. Vertax around the body 2d passing Eljas and Joona. Vertax is not rubbish. M4u and many others.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Hathaway on December 18, 2009, 06:27:59 PM
The two diabolo excalibur grind column in 40 below Pt. 2. Watch it if you think vertax is rubbish.

That actually makes me think even worse of vertax...
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: nev on December 18, 2009, 07:57:21 PM
I hate vertax  ;)

I wholeheartedly stand by my original sentiment.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Marko on December 18, 2009, 08:43:10 PM
The 2diabolos in vertax is generally not a good thing. If you go for numbers it's never gonna be anything more than, "I bet he/she can't do one more..."

I like the idea about vertax. But yea, otherwise it's totally rubbish.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: gravity on December 25, 2009, 08:47:01 PM
it is 100% personal prefrence but i have never turned my nose up at eny style of diabolo i practice body moves, slacking, 2d an vertex an now arfter 3 years im reaping the rewards. the way i see it evry new trick i learn the betta i get an same for you lot im shure.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: wgm on January 02, 2010, 11:20:47 PM
not trying to start a big argument here- but i think this is kind of a dumb thread. if anyone cares that much about what style of diabolo other people do they need to forum less and diabolo more  :)
EDIT: im not trying to start an ANGRY argument. if you disagree with me feel free to say so
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Marko on January 03, 2010, 08:13:22 AM
So basically you're saying that people should do diabolo only for themselves. And that focusing on the social aspect of diaboloing (this case talking about diaboloing) means that you're not juggling enough. Yet you are yourself commenting on a thread you claim not to care about?   ;)

On the topic also, i believe this is more to gravity. "...but i have never turned my nose up at eny style of diabolo..." But still you don't practice all of the styles as much. So all i'm saying is that everyone of us prefers something and likes to practice something. We are all choosing styles we like to play even when we could practice everything. Like i don't practice loop diabolo (1d and 2d in loop, no sticks fellas) almost at all. So isn't that the same as turning your back on some style? Or does the turning the nose here mean "talking bad about some style", in which case i understand better.

For both of these, well i'm just trolling to see where this ends up. Not meaning to be mean for anyone.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: wgm on January 03, 2010, 03:09:18 PM
im not saying not to be social- but we shouldnt tell other people what style they should be doing. if i told all the people in my juggling club how they should be juggling they would not go anymore.
sorry if its hard to understand what i'm trying to say, i find it hard to have conversations over the internet (but that dosen't mean they aren't worth having)


disregard the statement about the forum- you are right marko
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: EvIlAlEkSi on January 13, 2010, 06:07:00 PM
I'll just leave this here.

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Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Jasper on January 14, 2010, 12:45:11 PM
i dont think excalibur is rubbish, I even like it :D and if your doing excalibur duo its even more nice =]
why dont u guys like it then?
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: bourgeois.jason on January 14, 2010, 02:22:21 PM
Because I enjoy performing, I practice what I know will please a crowd.  Vertax, even if it's simple, generally pleases a crowd of non-diaboloists.  To please a crowd of diaboloists, the vertax skill needs to be at a certain level that I have not attained, yet.

I say that to make this point... If practicing vertax helps you achieve your diabolo goal or goals, it is not rubbish to you.  My goal is to please whatever crowd I am in front of, and vertax helps me achieve that goal.

If you like vertax, keep doing it.  If you don't like vertax, keep abstaining.  It makes no difference to me. :)

-Jason
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on January 15, 2010, 02:50:26 AM
Nev, what do you mean, you hate vertax? What about the fans??
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Ben. on January 15, 2010, 07:59:20 AM
Nev, what do you mean, you hate vertax? What about the fans??
Vertax Fans are pretty rubbish really, hard to get into and sloppy at the best of times...
And you need to understand sarcasm on the internet a bit better.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: NewfoundAddictions on January 27, 2010, 10:06:39 AM
I've only been Diaboloing for a couple months and relly getting into it, after seeing a tutorial about doing Vertax Genocides and Infinite Genocide, I became hooked on trying to get the diabolo even onto vertax is insanely hard!!

Something to aim for I suppose.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Marko on February 11, 2010, 12:36:19 PM
Just a thought. Vertax is clearly rubbish. If it weren't rubbish we would see lots of videos focusing only on vertax tricks.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: luabduch on February 11, 2010, 12:48:58 PM
Just a thought. Vertax is clearly rubbish. If it weren't rubbish we would see lots of videos focusing only on vertax tricks.

I don't think so.
But anyway, watch the last video by hooker (I think is called 'Awake') and you'll see that vertax is not rubbish.
Or the last year videos by LKQA and his friends.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: finesse on February 11, 2010, 12:58:57 PM
Just a thought. Vertax is clearly rubbish. If it weren't rubbish we would see lots of videos focusing only on vertax tricks.

If i remember right, M4U does got a whole vid of only veratx called vertax games.
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Hathaway on February 11, 2010, 01:05:57 PM
I'm afraid that for me whilst Hookers vid did have some new vertax stuff it just showed how unpracticed and sloppy that vertax is...
Title: Re: Vertax is rubbish
Post by: Jasper on February 11, 2010, 04:11:43 PM
I dont think vertax is rubbish i really like it.

@ marko, ppl just dont do so much vertax because everybody knows diabolo as "not vertax" and with vertax you can do less tricks
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