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Title: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Rusty on November 12, 2004, 12:01:50 PM
I am looking at all this different axes for the Henrys Circus Diabolo and wonder whats the difference and if anybody that has tried them could give a review of them.

Henrys own upgrade:

http://www.henrys-online.de/Webshop/enter.html?lang=en-us

Akrobat:

http://www.akrobat.net/shop/

4erlei:

http://www.4erlei.de/index1.html

Hope someone has used these before.

Rusty, Norway
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: -Fred- on November 12, 2004, 12:29:05 PM
Hi.

I have received the henry's kits last week for my diabs (it's a complet spool circus with plastic-made hubs) and it's really better than the original axe. My circus keep there inertia in comparison with the original axe. Now, the grinds are prolonged and it's weight less. It's great and i love it.

--- Fred ---
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: barnesy on November 12, 2004, 02:38:58 PM
I have the 4erlei ones.  I like them because they make the axle wider, so the diabolos seem to tangle less, and they stick grind a lot better than a normal Circus would.   For me, the extra width was an important factor, so I wasn't interested in the Henry's axles.  The akrobat ones look good from what I've seen, but I don't know a lot about them.  

This has already been discussed in this thread: http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=3 - you'll be able to find more opinions there.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: seán_ on November 12, 2004, 05:10:08 PM
I have tried the akrobat ones, I liked the extra width (which differs from the way finesse can be made wider because its the cones that are swapped).

the set I used had a snapped plastic washer which the owner said didn't  bother him at all.

they were definately better to use than standard henrys.

( I did once stumble upon a third maker/seller of such axles but like the slacker I am failed to save the bookmark. )

If memory serves me right I believe it is possible to buy replacement axles and Henrys halfshells for less than the price of a standard Henrys (if you dont mind building them up yourself).

Seán_
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: MattF on November 12, 2004, 09:01:48 PM
I have a question. I have 2 Mr Babache Harlequins that i really like due to the way they grind and also the weight of them.

I also have 2 henry's Circus's but i rarely use them because i do not like the way they grind. I also think the axle is too tight and find that it turns the diabolo too easily when you do 2 diabolos.

I do however like the way the henry's circus diabolos are able to bounce.

So what i am after really is a Henry's circus diabolo with an axle which has similar characteristics of that of a Mr Babache Harlequin.
 
Would either the erlei axle or akrobat axle achieve this?

Matt
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: barnesy on November 12, 2004, 09:06:39 PM
I'd say so.  The 4erlei ones do make the Circus more like an old babache in some ways.   I don't do grinds much, but it's good to know I can now do them as I choose!
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: MattF on November 12, 2004, 09:16:46 PM
Thanks Barnesy, i think i will have to invest in some of those axles in the near future.

Matt
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Sean on December 10, 2004, 05:50:47 AM
I have been talking with Ben from Serious Juggling (http://seriousjuggling.com/). He is about to place an order with Henrys and will be ordering some of the new plastic/Teflon Henrys hubs for the Circus diabolos (partly because of my repeated harassment ;) ).

These hubs are the ones made by Henrys (http://henrys-online.de/Webshop/enter.html?lang=en-us) themselves. They are the same dimensions as the traditional metal axles. The plastic hubs wear the string less, catch on the string less, grind better, and make the diabolo slightly lighter.

I describe how to find these hubs on the Henrys website in the equipment sticky (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=3).

These are the hubs:
(http://diabolo.ca/images/temp/phub.jpg)

I'll be ordering 4 sets. If any of you North American diabolists out there think you may want to get your hands on a set of these, let me know and I will tell Ben how many extras to order. The price is not yet known. It may depend slightly on how many are ordered.

Cheers,
Sean
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Yoda on December 11, 2004, 06:13:18 PM
Hey guys!

I have an jester games diabolo (bought a circus but it will arrive here in brazil only in january,),  and the hub had broken, then I made my own with teflon in a "torno" (I don't know how you say it in english :oops: , that machine that holds the material spinning and you use tools to make what you want)

I was wondering if anybody could measure the henry's circus teflon spool, so I could make then here (It's very expendive to buy stuff in germany and have it sent to brazil!), i'd like to know the diameter of the base, the height and the diameter of the top...
Don't think I'm doing this to sell it in here, in fact, I don't know many people who use diabolo's in here...

Thanks guys!

[]s
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Sean on December 12, 2004, 01:19:21 AM
Lucas, I think the English word for "torno" must be "lathe". I've often thought about making my own plastic hubs but decided that it probably wasn't worth the hassle for me. For you it might make sense though.

Right now I don't have the tools I would need to take my diabolo apart and measure the hubs. I will try and do this for you when I'm home in late December... although maybe by that time you would just want to wait until you get the diabolo itself.  :roll:

Sean
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Yoda on December 12, 2004, 02:09:21 AM
Thanks sean, always expanding my vocabulary =]

Don't worry, measure it when you can, no hurry, even when I get my new diabolo I'd like to know the sizes of the teflon hubs (Is it the same as the original ones? only the material is different???), because I read that teflon doesn't wear the string as quick as the aluminium ones, and it's kinda hard for me to buy strings (It's hard to find good strings in brazil, and impossible to find in my city)
I ordered 25m of henry's yellow string, but this must last for the rest of my life  :lol:

Oooo God! I wish I could find everything here in brazil... It would be sooo easier =[

Tks in advance =]

[]s
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Sean on December 12, 2004, 07:11:52 AM
Yeah, the teflon hubs made by Henrys are exactly the same size as the metal ones. There are also wider versions made by other people (see above in this thread). If you make them wider you will have to replace the bolt as well. The aluminum hubs are good too. There's no reason you can't survive with them... at least for a while. ;)

Really, there are plently of people who like the metal hubs.

You're probably going to have to wait for your diabolo to arrive anyways before you even think of making the hubs. There's a fair bit of detail in terms of how it fits into the diabolo. I think the only way you'll be able to match this is by having a metal hub there in front of you.

The yellow string will last you for a long time, but unless you give up diaboloing within the next year it probably won't last you for life. :)

I feel your pain though (although I'm sure not as badly). It's hard to get diabolo equipment in Canada too. I have to order from the U.S. or Europe for most things. Shipping and duty taxes aren't cheap... or quick.

Sean
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: JGherkin on December 12, 2004, 10:23:38 AM
I've lasted so far with aluminium hubs  :)  Altho I'm considering getting the teflon hubs...when my monetary position permits  :wink:
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: norbi on December 12, 2004, 11:11:43 AM
as soon as i can (probably just after Vegas) i am ordering some of the wide teflons. They are where its at. As close to a finesse as possible whilst still being a circus  :wink:  (k, perhaps not, but better anyway)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Sean on March 31, 2005, 03:04:06 PM
Well, 5 months after my initial request I'm still waiting for my order of teflon hubs to come in. Gosh it's fun living in North America at times.  :?

I've looked at ordering straight from the Henrys factory but they charge about $45 (CAD) to ship any order to Canada. I'm almost at the point of giving in to that.

Does anyone know of an online shop that carries the teflon hubs? I'm thinking perhaps of a shop in the UK. I still haven't managed to find such a shop myself.

Help! It's a Henrys teflon hub emergency! :)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Dave P on April 01, 2005, 10:18:45 AM
Hi Sean,

I'm in the process of setting up an online juggling store to run alongside our online kite store. The good news is that we have the teflon axles in stock already in our "real" store. PM me and we can sort something out.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Howard on April 02, 2005, 08:58:44 PM
I ordered 4 sets directly from henry's, and have had them for about a
month. It took a while as my online order got lost several times. I ended
up calling and from that point it took about two weeks in the mail (to arrive in Maryland).

I just closed my eyes and ignored things like exchange rates and shipping charges.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Sean on April 03, 2005, 05:54:10 AM
Quote from: Howard
I ordered 4 sets directly from henry's... I just closed my eyes and ignored things like exchange rates and shipping charges.

Thanks for the account of how that went. I should have done that a LONG time ago. :)

Thanks to Ronnie and Dave P. for their offers of help... through some generous UK diabolist I will hopefully soon have my hands on some of these.

When, oh when will they finally start making the plastic hubs standard issue.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Spooned on April 27, 2005, 12:02:20 PM
Are there any axles that are nealry as wide as the wide axles that you can get for the G2's since finger grinds looks really cool and i would love to add them to my trick list  :D
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on April 27, 2005, 09:25:20 PM
you can do finger grinds with any type of axles/hubs. i do finger grinds on my stock Henry's. you wont get as long of grinds as you would with wider axles or hubs, but it's still very possible
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Spooned on April 29, 2005, 12:25:17 PM
Video Tutorial Plz  :roll: its a bit beyond me
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Spink on April 29, 2005, 12:31:17 PM
Quote from: Spooned
Video Tutorial Plz  :roll: its a bit beyond me


There's a thread on the tricks archive that goes into it, bur the main thing is to cath the diabolo betwwen the knuckle near your fingertip and the knuckle in the middle of you fingers.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on May 01, 2005, 10:05:32 AM
you know, there's not much to explain. one day, Sean (you know, webmaster of here) said something like, just expect the friction. and poof it worked!

by now, i dont even need a fast spinning diabolo to get it to grind. just make sure your hands are clean and dry. stick out your hand like you're going to make a handshake, yet keep your fingers totally straight. you're going to need to land the diabolo perfectly straight on your index finger, between the hand and the middle knuckle.

just keep working on it. experiment with how you land it on your finger...pull your hand down a little bit so the landing is softer (like how you catch a kendama). you'll get it. it seems unbelievable at first, but, it is definitely possible.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Spink on May 04, 2005, 12:50:02 PM
Quote from: Matt_
you're going to need to land the diabolo perfectly straight on your index finger, between the hand and the middle knuckle.


Just like i said. :wink:  but without the spelling mistakes. :lol:  

Whats a 'kendama' ??
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on May 04, 2005, 02:45:05 PM
Quote from: Spink
Whats a 'kendama' ??


it's an awesome japanese toy. i bought a couple in Japan last time i was there...they are addicting.

(http://deka2.air-nifty.com/rvr/gazou/kendama-thumb.jpg)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: The Void on May 04, 2005, 02:51:59 PM
Funniest moment of Turin EJC: Tommy Cooper impressions by Masahiro. [1]

Masahiro on the renegade stage, holding a Kendama.
Points at ball, "Ken"
Points at stick, "Dama" [2]
Points at stick, "Dama"
Points at ball, "Ken"
Hops ball onto prong, "Kendama!"

The Void
.................
Spoon, Jar. Jar, spoon!

[1] Well, if you know who Tommy Cooper was, that is....
[2] I may have got that the wrong way round, but hey....
www.juggler.net/bungayballsup - On your way back from Berlin? Come along then!
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Otoshidama on May 12, 2005, 02:51:46 AM
I'm in the process of ordering a Henry's Circus diabolo and I wanted to get some aluminum handsticks too.  But there is also this vinyl replacement spool for the Circus that I could order and it says that if you use the original spool with aluminum handsticks it could get damaged.  I was wondering if this is actually a serious problem because I would rather not pay the extra 19 Dollars if I don't have to.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Marc on May 15, 2005, 10:45:12 AM
can you buy a wide axle kit for the henrys circus? If so where can I get one from :?:
 I live in England
Thanks Marc
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Sean on May 15, 2005, 03:34:38 PM
Marc, read through the thread that you just posted in, particularly the very first post. There is a wide axle version. You must order from Germany.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: seán_ on May 15, 2005, 03:46:32 PM
AFAIK Marc, the only wide axle kits are the ones mentioned in the first post of this thread, there are links to where you can get them from. If you are after a finger style axle like you can get for finese, I dont think anybody does them. ( apart from in Brazil and that was only partially successfull i believe) maybe its something you could do in CDT (Shop)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on May 15, 2005, 06:27:18 PM
a wide axle kit..? dont you mean wide hub kit? i havent yet seen a wide axle kit for the Circus.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on May 21, 2005, 11:39:05 PM
ok, reviving this thread a little here...

i bought the hubs from extremespin.com. and now, the painful wait begins...
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Hoop on May 22, 2005, 12:32:47 AM
I got them too, and put them on last night.  So far they are great.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Dracodragon on May 22, 2005, 05:32:35 AM
So, are the plastic hubs good with the aluminum sticks? or is there something else that is better for henrys circus aluminum sticks. My hubs are pretty scratched up from them, and its only been a week.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Arjan on May 22, 2005, 08:27:37 AM
This may been said before, but the hubs are from teflon. That is a lot times stronger then plastic. The ofcourse they are good with the alu sticks from henrys.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on May 22, 2005, 08:36:37 AM
ive actually used these before (the official henry's ones). they are exactly the same as the stock ones, just plastic. i must say, i prefer the 4erlei (did i spell that right?) hubs as they are a bit wider and look sexier (and come in black!) but i dont really want to pay 30 bucks a diabolo for new hubs.

however, these are totally fine. i'd recommend em (and mine havent even arrived yet :p)

i'd recommend the teflon hubs even if you use wooden sticks, they are lighter and make for better grinding.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on May 24, 2005, 09:14:33 AM
oh man i got the hubs today! holy crap they are fast, i ordered on saturday and i got the hubs today, monday!

and oh wow, they are awesome, i wish they were wide but they are soooooooo cool already. as you can tell i'm ecstatic. i also scrubbed down my diabolos so its like having a new set. my diabolo life is revitalized!
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Dracodragon on May 24, 2005, 02:50:00 PM
Congrats matt_. Seems like i will be getting lots of competition at creek now.  :D  Hopefully they last long, and your sticks dont scratch them. Dont think they will though.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on May 24, 2005, 10:34:28 PM
im sure they're going to last forever or at least close to it. they rock man. too bad there wasnt juggling club today i would've brought em in :( oh well you'll see em eventually.

by the way, grinds are super quiet it, it freaks me out. anyway, i recommend them to everyone, even though they cost me half as much as i paid for the diabolos themselves....
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Dracodragon on May 24, 2005, 10:57:55 PM
Yeah, i wanted to see how they looked. Thats awesome, ninja grinding(silent grinds). I need to get some new hubs too. You should see the ones i have :| . They are so jacked up. Too bad i dont have the money for it. Oh well, i always have my parents. :P even though if i get these, ill owe them about 50$ or more in diabolo equipment.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Yoda on May 24, 2005, 11:05:04 PM
I've made a finger grind axle for my circus, like the finesse one, it works but it's not perfect, I believe that, now that I know my mistakes, if I made another one it would work fine.
 I made it in a lathe, in aluminium, and with more or less the size of the finesse's. I had to do another "screw" too, but that was easy.

Now I'll probably buy 2 finesses G2, so I don't think i'll be making another one...

[]s
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on May 25, 2005, 07:24:39 AM
i was thinking about making axlex, that'd mean i;d have to get another bolt (no worries) but the harder part is making sure that they are exact. i.e. you cant have the slopes be different or else it will end up really weird and the diabolo will tilt.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: donald grant on May 25, 2005, 01:51:20 PM
I was mucking about at the Berlin convention this week, and Henry's had a stall set up in the traders space.
They gave me a couple of new, prototype wide axles to try out. They're pretty wide, making a Henrys circus about 5mm wider than the 4erlei kit.  They spin very well, even on filthy convention-hands.
Curiouser still, the axle was recessed from the cones (a little bit on one, quite  profoundly on the other).  Both worked surprisingly well.

Alas, I had to give 'em back as they really were the only ones he had made so far.  Will keep you all informed if they make any progress.

Donald
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: seán_ on May 25, 2005, 02:48:21 PM
Well done agent Donald. Blimey they sound huge though but I suppose that the 4erli kits and MB finger kits  do seem  really wide untill you get used to them.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on May 26, 2005, 03:34:01 AM
so they're actually doing wide axle finally, eh? im supposing it was simply the axle by itself, right? on the henry's the axel is just that little piece in the middle... so perhaps you can combine wide axle + 4erli kit to make a super wide henry's eh?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: donald grant on May 26, 2005, 05:30:17 PM
Tricky to describe them, really.  The exposed part of the axle itself wasn't any wider.  The cones were what was really different on them.  How to describe???

Kind of half way between a witch's hat and a nipple on a cold day, if that makes any sense.

Sorry, I would've taken a photo, but sticking pictures of peoples new prototype kit up on the internet is hardly the done thing :)

Donald
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: norbi on May 26, 2005, 07:42:45 PM
and neither if desribing them! Basically, they are cool, now all you people just wait and see (or ask him at the next convention you him at if you can have a go)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Luke Burrage on May 30, 2005, 02:21:40 PM
Hi guys,

In Berlin I tried out some prototype wide axels from Henrys. They were very, very nice. They are noticably different in shape and feel from normal wide axels and about 4mm wider than the 4ereli wide axels. Also they give you much more control, especially when doing verital axis tricks, something that normal wide axels make very difficult indeed.

If enough people ask for them Henrys will start selling them. I can assure you they are worth the investment.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Arjan on May 30, 2005, 03:37:23 PM
Hello Luke,

Are it actually the axles wich are prototype, or just the hubs? These day`s I`m doing 3 a bit, henrys is the way to go... they have better stability and longer spin. I`m sure there is a markt for new stuff like this, thnx for keeping us up to date!

btw, are you talking about the berlin convention, or just about juggeling in berlin somewhere?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: norbi on May 30, 2005, 03:43:38 PM
At the convention, they are great, i'm sure he'll have some with him all the time so just ask next time you see him.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: je4d on June 13, 2005, 04:10:11 PM
Great news, guys.. well, for UK residents at least

I've been pestering firetoys.co.uk, asking them to stock henry's own upgrade hubs (the plastic/teflon ones) recently and they've just mailed me this:

On Monday 13 June 2005 11:00, Firetoys Ltd wrote:
> We now have them in just need to put them on the website (check this
> evening).
>
> Kind regards,
> Stephen
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

(-:
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Paul on June 13, 2005, 05:38:45 PM
Ive pestered Firetoys for these for about a year now! Finally !!!!!!  whoooooooo!  :)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on June 13, 2005, 07:19:44 PM
heh, good job. extremespin has em for US residents, so that's cool...well now if only the 4erlei kits were a bit easier to come by...
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: azza192 on June 25, 2005, 05:34:08 PM
Can I get a finger axle for my henrys at all?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on June 25, 2005, 07:01:10 PM
well, not that anyone knows of (read this thread ;) ). if one exists, it's a custom job. henry's diabolos only have hub modifications; finesses have the axle kit. you cant find an axle kit for a henry's or a hub kit for a finesse.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: -Leo- on June 26, 2005, 09:44:14 AM
Here are the sites for Henry's upgrades/ mods.

Henrys own upgrade:

http://www.henrys-online.de/Webshop/enter.html?lang=en-us

Akrobat:

http://www.akrobat.net/shop/

4erlei:

http://www.4erlei.de/index1.html

Maybe you will stop pestering me and bill about it now :wink:

You may also need this to translate them
http://www.google.co.uk/language_tools?hl=en

Hope this helps,

Leo
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: seán_ on June 27, 2005, 03:33:37 PM
just saw this on Jongle.net

http://www.jongle.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=160678#160678

Its a finger axle for a circus. Yoda from brazil made one a while back as well, might be an interesting thread to follow.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: JC on July 04, 2005, 08:51:29 PM
For a while I bought the Tuning kits from acrobat.net

TK 2 Original
1 Achse 4 mm
1 Carbonhülse 6 mm
2 Teflonnarben (schwarz oder weiß)
2 Teflonscheiben 40 mm mal 2 mm (schwarz oder weiß)
2 Hutmuttern Messing 4 mm
2 Scheiben 20 mm
Gesamtgewicht Diabolo 256 gr

Yesterday I weighted the diabolo with the new kit and the result was
270g.
Now my question is, is my kitchen scales wrong or the information which I found on the acrobat.net?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: JC on July 16, 2005, 01:29:51 AM
Mod edit - I moved this message to this more relevant thread. -Sean

I think that I have a new solution for the hubs of henry circus diabolos,
please view

http://home.arcor.de/scheta/html/diabolo.html
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on July 16, 2005, 04:27:48 AM
interesting....very ugly, but interesting
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Arjan on July 16, 2005, 06:41:11 AM
Aren`t these the prototypes Luke was talking about? They look smooth btw.  I could imagine they feel good playing with.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Chiok on July 16, 2005, 12:33:06 PM
It reminds me of the chinese diabolos with the long sinusoidal axles to hubs.  Does look pretty sweet though.  Someone owns a mould and some raw teflon.  Or he lathed it from a cylinder.

Chiok
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: JC on July 16, 2005, 12:45:36 PM
No that are not the the prototypes Luke mentioned.

I had the idea, made a drawing, and a friend of mine works
on a CNC lathe, he made the hubs for me.
Unfourtenately he had no black material in this diameter or bigger.
Perhaps I will get soon two black hups.

I will take them to EJC 2005 in Ptuj.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Arjan on July 16, 2005, 02:52:24 PM
Hmmm... I think there will be some people intrested in using them..
If they work nice I would love to get my hands on a set for myself, so you could start selling them ;)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: JC on August 04, 2005, 08:57:55 PM
Next week I will get some with black hubs, if not the worst comes to the worst. I think it should be possible that you could test them on the EJC in Ptuj. :)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Arjan on August 04, 2005, 09:38:48 PM
Yes I will! Looking forward to this whole convention.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: JC on August 09, 2005, 12:23:30 AM
My website is now updated with the series kit

http://home.arcor.de/diabolo-kit/index.html

regards
JC
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on August 09, 2005, 06:15:58 AM
wow, quite a weight reduction there. is there anything different besides the hubs? or do you have differnet hardware that goes with it? and..are you selling any?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: JC on August 09, 2005, 09:31:58 AM
The complete kit is:
two hubs out of POM in black colour,
two big washers out of POM in white colour,
two small washers out of aluminium,
two nuts out of aluminium,
and the axe also out of aluminium.
That´s all.

If you are interested in buying send me an email to
diabolo-kits@web.de
and we could clarify the details.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Spooned on August 09, 2005, 11:56:25 AM
How much are they each, they look pretty sweet though  :D
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Sean on August 09, 2005, 01:19:09 PM
Looks nice JC! What height is the diabolo with those hubs? It looks taller than a normal henrys but shorter than the current long axle. Am I correct?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Spooned on August 09, 2005, 02:42:41 PM
Theres a hernys long axel? I thought that they were only being made by people at home.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Sean on August 09, 2005, 02:50:43 PM
Quote from: Spooned
Theres a hernys long axel? I thought that they were only being made by people at home.

Ahem... read the first post in this thread. ;)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: JC on August 10, 2005, 12:09:44 AM
@Spooned
please send me a email to
diabolo-kits@web.de
and you will get price details.

@Sean
Yes you are correct, the height is 147mm,
the height of the original Henry Circus is 139mm,
the version from Acrobat is 150mm.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Chiok on November 18, 2005, 11:29:59 AM
Pulling up an old thread...  I'm gonna become a Circus man soon when my order comes through, but looking at the Butterfingers catalogue, they have these new arrivals:

POM (Teflon) hubs for Circus Diabolos: - £3.95
Fitted in place of the standard metal hubs for incredibly smooth grinds

Tune-up Kits: - £11.95
The entire axle and hub assembly, including POM hubs, to revitalise tired Circus Diabolos.

Now does anyone have any ideas which hubs these are exactly, or whether it's just some random make?  And would I be correct in saying the Tune-Up kits would include a new axle, bolt, washers etc?

Just thinking of getting them, and as they're cheap (even cheaper with club discount  :wink: ) then it might be worth it.  Also Butterfingers now have the Henrys Carbon and Glass fibre sticks in white if anyone is interested.

Chiok
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: nev on November 18, 2005, 12:27:00 PM
Quote from: Chiok
Now does anyone have any ideas which hubs these are exactly, or whether it's just some random make?  And would I be correct in saying the Tune-Up kits would include a new axle, bolt, washers etc?


Dont know what make they are, but the tune up kit includes teflon hubs, a new (thinner M4 bolt) with a carbon tube sleeve (to make the up the bolt diameter to the original size on the hubs / axel part), large plastic washers, small aluminium washers & new cap nuts.  They do not include an axel (you use the original axel piece).

They also come in normal width or extended width.  If its the normal width kit then you can just use the teflon hubs and keep the original bolt etc (which will reduce the weight a bit and feel much smoother in play over the aluminium hubs) or you can use the whole kit which reduces the weight much more (about 44g saving over standard circus).

If its the extended version it makes the diab hubs part about 10mm wider and also lighter (about 35g saving).  The orignal bolt will not fit this kit (as its not long enough) but if you still want the weight of the circus (just need the smoothness of the new hubs) you can easily make a new bolt for the original kit from a length of M6 threaded bar cut down to the right size and use the old washers & nuts etc

Hope this helps
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: JC on November 18, 2005, 04:57:30 PM
Here you could find a good overview for all the axes

http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/Henry_tuning_vega_kits.html

The last axe is mine, you could get it also over my website
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Sean on November 18, 2005, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: JC
Here you could find a good overview for all the axes
http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/Henry_tuning_vega_kits.html

Firetoys is my hero!
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on November 18, 2005, 07:29:28 PM
yeah i saw those a while back...contemplating on getting some..

JC did you ever fix the balance problem with your hub kit?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Ben on November 19, 2005, 06:15:04 AM
i have the ultra light extended axle kits on my diabolos


i like the weight reduction a lot and they are great for 1D as well as 2D (still working on 3) as long as you already know 2D because they do tend to tilt and have to be corrected

you can fingergrind for a long time.. i can get 40 seconds without to much trouble as well as do stick grinds

I use carbon sticks for doing 1D because aluminum is a bit heavy for infinite suicides but i use the aluminums for 2D.

they seem to not gain as much spin in tricks that would usually speed the diabolos up but its not that bad

probably the worst part about them is that after using them and then using a regular Circus the regular one feels so heavy as well as looks funny since im so used to the extended width

overall I like them a lot and world recommend them to someone who likes Circus diabolos but wants better grinds, more room around the axle for string, as well as a huge reduction in weight

yeah well that was kinda long now its time to go practice
 :)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Ben on January 02, 2006, 02:31:58 AM
dose anyone know whats up with the 4erlei site?

http://www.4erlei.de/

its been like that for a while

is there other places to get them?

like are these the same as the 4erlei ones ?
http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/White__Extended_Axle_Tuning_kit__Circus___286g.html#aAK_2fTK1

anyone have any imput?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on January 02, 2006, 08:58:56 AM
the second set looks similar to the 4erlei's that i've used. i'd say that even if they arent exactly the same, they are a pretty good bet (and way cheaper than the official henry's kit eh?)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: j0hn on January 02, 2006, 11:46:27 AM
i have a question about the henrys extended axle kit, it's the white 265g one second from the bottom :
http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/Tuning_kits_and_extended_axles.html

i bought 2 to fit to my circuses recently, and haven't had much success in getting either of them to fit together in a stable way. the axle they give you is the same size as the regular circus one through the middle. this means that when you assemble a standard circus, you have plenty of thread on either side to tighten the nuts securely. but with the hubs extended by 10mm, and the thread the same size... it means there is not much room to tighten! i found that once assembled correctly, i had roughly 1mm on either side to tighten the nuts! and if i didn't tighten them simulataneously, with equal pressure on both, then one would ping off and i would have to start again! eventually i managed to assemble both, after a long time, but the cups were very loose indeed even after tightening, and after 20 minutes of use they got looser and dismantled themselves on my carpet, so i put the original hubs back on.

help, anyone? they cost almost £12 each, and it'd be good to see them working... i just don't understand why henrys don't supply a longer axle, rather than supplying one the same size!
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Ben on January 02, 2006, 08:46:34 PM
umm you should use a ratchet wrench and a regular wrench on the other side

i don’t think you can ever get them tight enough by hand tightening and it looks like there isn’t room to tighten but if you use a wrench then it will tighten pretty far

wrench size is 10mm btw
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on January 02, 2006, 09:10:37 PM
so just to clarify--you have the wide hubs but it came with standard size bolt? if that's the case, call or email Firetoys. they are excellent with customer service, in fact that is the reason i keep buying from them. they should either say:

A. you're SOL because that's how these hubs are made, however we'll talk to the company and see what they can do
B. oh crap, we sent you the wrong thing. we'll send the right one

i've contacted them because i had a broken G2 hub, they contacted Babache and sent me one right away.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: JC on January 03, 2006, 12:13:05 AM
@ben

The white kits with the weight of 265g have 4mm axes and a distance piece out of fiber, the wrench size of the nut is here 7mm.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Jesse on June 19, 2006, 12:09:35 AM
I've got ultra-lights on my circuses and I have a problem. They work fine 1d, but they seem too slippery doing 2d. I use henry's yellow string and they don't seem to stay in the wrap so I'm having trouble speeding up. Even when wrapping every pass it feels too slippery. I've just started doing 2d and it feels like I'm not progressing as fast as I could with other axles. Should I get some other axles or use different string for 2d?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: seán_ on June 19, 2006, 02:22:16 AM
did you have your other axles for a long time? the metal wears with time and the new ones might seem a bit slicker. Have you used any type of POM hubs before?

Other than that I'm not sure because I dont use the ultralights but I know some people dont use the full kit but keep some of the older washers for a not so ultralight kit.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Jesse on June 19, 2006, 03:37:56 AM
I had the metal ones for a couple of months. These are my first POM hubs. And I use my old washers. They work perfectly apart from speeding up which seems to be a lot easier with other hubs. I tried allround and they worked fine. It seems like these ones are a lot more slippery than the other ones. Like I said it doesn't bother me when doing 1d but doing 2d feels too slippery.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: fredo on June 19, 2006, 01:49:20 PM
that's just because of the string....I've got some ultra-lights, too, and they work fine..but henrys string is really too slippery for me - I hate this string - so I use MB's string(whih is very slippery at the beginning as well, but gets weared a lot faster than the Henry's)...so just try the MB string...

PS - the MB string has got an advantage, though; when playing somewhere with very umid air, the string will get too rough to do anything! Then you should use Henry's, which is more resistant to umidity!
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on June 19, 2006, 09:04:59 PM
yeah, that's just how it is. when i went from metal to plastic there was a huge difference.

you just need to break in your string and then get used to it.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Chiok on June 20, 2006, 06:00:41 PM
I had a horrible time transitioning from Henrys Beach to MB Finesse for the same reason.  The metal hubs just had more grip around the string for some reason so hovering and speeding up was quick and easy.  Relevance being that Finesses have plastic hubs as well, I imagine its a similar situation with the POM hubs.  

Just wear you string in nice an good and it'll be ok.  I rub it under my shoe to speed up the process.  I would be in the same camp as you if I'd managed to order my plastic hubs.  Alas no, still metal.  I'm fine with it though (but my wrist is killing).

Chiok
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Jesse on June 20, 2006, 07:22:31 PM
Yeah the string is fine when it's a little worn out. It just seems to take an awfully long time to do that. I guess I should try your shoe technique  :wink: .
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: JC on June 20, 2006, 07:26:22 PM
sand paper or shoe?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on June 20, 2006, 08:00:05 PM
ah, the shoe technique. i first heard about that one from Priam in 2004--it's a good one ;)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: seán_ on June 21, 2006, 01:40:25 AM
soap
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: tommi on June 21, 2006, 10:02:42 AM
I use soap to get the grip, but it still takes some time to get the string right. What kind of soap should i use?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Kusti on June 21, 2006, 10:10:05 AM
The soapy kind?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: martijn on June 21, 2006, 11:08:05 AM
You should use pink soap.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: fredo on June 21, 2006, 01:41:41 PM
how do you use the soap btw? wet or dry? and simply pulling the string over it???? (sry if this was explained before, I'm too lazy to look it up ) :P

or do you mean liquid soap?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on June 21, 2006, 06:27:10 PM
rub the string over a dry bar of soap.

or rub the string under a dry pair of shoes (whilst wearing them).
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: seán_ on June 22, 2006, 12:12:03 AM
I'm on the damp string lather the soap and string in my hand trip personally.
Not Ideal if you need an emergancy string but babaches excellant engineering means I have six sets of extreme tips so I tend to have a few spare strings waiting.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: fredo on June 22, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
btw, what do you think is better for vertax, the TK2 of akrobat or jürgen's (JC's) ultra-leicht-kit?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Chiok on November 10, 2006, 11:02:01 AM
Does anyone have any experience with the Circus Tuning kits that Passe Passe are advertising HERE (http://www.passepasse.com/diabolos-tunning-kits-c-108_129.html?osCsid=5e33381e7bd343e4dd4362d51473529d)?

We're thinking about doing an order with them, and I think I'd like to get some new hubs now.  Since Passe Passe are stocking a range, I wondered if anyone recognised any of them (apart from the Henrys own set).  Without any better pictures of the kits, I can't tell if the hubs are normal size, giant size or what.  I do not want the giant ones, all-rounds or normal size would be nice.

So if anyone has any proof about them, please share.

Chiok
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Christopher on November 10, 2006, 12:00:55 PM
they might be tuning kits from akrobat i guess, but i'm not sure cause i only use the ones henrys produce.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: fredo on November 10, 2006, 12:21:27 PM
Akrobats!
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Sean on November 10, 2006, 01:09:56 PM
I believe Akrobat makes regular and wide hubs both with light and super-light bolts and washers. In the Passe Passe shop I see all four of these.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Chiok on November 10, 2006, 09:54:57 PM
Oh right, if they're Akrobat axles, then I guess that's all ok.  Think I might save some money and go for the TK1 kits.  I'll do a bit of research I think.

Chiok
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: fredo on November 10, 2006, 10:48:52 PM
Get the TK2! All Advantages of a wide axle combined with the feeling of a normal one! Definitely one of the best axle!
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Chiok on November 15, 2006, 09:06:27 PM
Advantages of a wide axle?  Isn't it just wider hubs?  And how is it different from the TK1, just not as heavy?  Which is fine, I don't want a huge reduction in weight, just a bit would be nice.  Still not sure, the saving is tempting...

Chiok
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: fredo on November 15, 2006, 09:36:46 PM
Wider hubs of course, sry!

Believe me, the TK2 is perfect! If you want it a bit heavier, go for the TK1.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on November 16, 2006, 01:07:50 AM
Which is fine, I don't want a huge reduction in weight, just a bit would be nice.

Once you go light, you never go back. That's the only reason I don't use my Circuses much anymore, with the stock Henry's plastic kit they are just too damned heavy.

It will probably be a huge shock when you go from heavy metal hubs (heh, heavy metal) to light plastic, but you'll get used to it, and in a pleasant way (your arms aren't gonna be as sore after those 2D sessions). You can't fool me Chiok, I saw your Diabolo.ca sweatshirt pic, you're just as scrawny as me. Maybe someone with Jason Garfield arms can stand to use heavy props, not me...

Keep in mind also the proportional weight of the diabolo. If you take weight away from the center (hubs, etc) you increase the outside to inside weight ratio, thus making it more stable and longer spinning.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Chiok on November 16, 2006, 02:05:41 PM
See, now Fredo, you say it's wider hubs, but the Passe Passe sight state that both the TK1 and TK2 sets have the same width hubs, but the TK2 set has more weight saving in the form of a thinner axle and plastic washers.

@Matt - Well, boo to you.  I know taking more weight from the centre is the best solution, but also, the TK2 costs more, which if you know me matters alot.  But the TK2 costs the same as the TK3 without the extra width and then there's Henrys own.  It's just, for the price of 3 TK2/3/Henrys, I could get 4.5 TK1 kits.

Grr, the complications of tight-fistedness.  Cheers for the help though, and I like the weight, it's more my style.

Chiok
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: fredo on November 16, 2006, 04:44:20 PM
See, now Fredo, you say it's wider hubs, but the Passe Passe sight state that both the TK1 and TK2 sets have the same width hubs, but the TK2 set has more weight saving in the form of a thinner axle and plastic washers.
that's what I said! Now you got it anyway...
still the table to make it clear for all:

DTK1    +12 mm    -14g
DTK2    +12 mm    -35g
DTK2A   -       -44g
DTK3     -        -20g

The DTK2 is the one I prefer and recommend.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on November 16, 2006, 08:09:45 PM
See this is a main reason I use the Finesses. Out of the box they are perfect. None of this tweaking needed like Henry's.

Although one day when I get some extra money I'd like to try out these TK kits...
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: martijn on November 16, 2006, 08:55:19 PM
Oh come on, you only REALLY need the teflon hubs, the rest is just the same as how you can modify the Finesse with it's limited selection of kits. If Henry's started making the Circus standard with the teflon hubs, it would beat the Finesse even harder, for you lazy people ;)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Matt_ on November 17, 2006, 01:17:57 AM
Well I'm still amazed that Circus still ships with metal hubs. It just boggles the mind.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: aznintheoutfield on August 25, 2007, 02:44:09 PM
hey guys, i saw these teflon hubs on here--(http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/extended_axle_kit_circus_.html#aBF_2fpomhubs (http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/extended_axle_kit_circus_.html#aBF_2fpomhubs))

Does anyone know any US vendor that has these exact ones? I would like to buy some.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Marijn on September 04, 2007, 04:40:47 PM
i dont really know where to post this. Today i discovered a quite large crack in one of my teflon hubs. And they are only about 7 weeks old. Does this happen often??

EDIT: took them off my circus, and the damage is worse than i expected  :-\

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9820/teflonkapot002xj7.th.jpg) (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=teflonkapot002xj7.jpg)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: martijn on September 04, 2007, 06:56:02 PM
Woah, that looks serious, I've never seen that before. Maybe it was a flawed batch... I'd say go back to the store you bought 'em.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Marijn on September 04, 2007, 07:34:00 PM
Woah, that looks serious, I've never seen that before. Maybe it was a flawed batch... I'd say go back to the store you bought 'em.

I bought them from the eenwieler webshop. Already ordered new ones. There is no way that they are gonna replace them for me.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: tommi on September 04, 2007, 07:46:52 PM
I think they should still play ok, If the hub still stays in the cup, does it? Anyways I bought some JCs kits for my circuses, the regular width ones. They feel really different after long use of the allround-kits. Almost like playing a finesse, but that is pretty much what I wanted, something lighter and smoother. I like how they feel with two diabolos, maybe it is time for me to work with some of that stuff bit more seriously  :P.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Marijn on September 04, 2007, 08:07:12 PM
because of the crack the cups have a slightly different shape, so i decides to take them off and buy new ones.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Ivo on September 05, 2007, 09:44:43 AM
hi, it seems henry's has changed the Allround tuning kits. I bought a kit from firetoys to fit in a new circus for 3d. The kit's i bought a while back made the diabolo 50g lighter, while the new one makes the diabolo 30g lighter. The difference seems to be the washers wich are plastic/tefloncoated in the old version, but metal in the new version. I'm not entirely sure if this is an improvement (could very well be) but it might be a good idea to check when you are matching the weight of several diabolos.

btw. Thankfully Firetoys still had an old style kit and parts, and their customer service is brilliant, so they solved this for me. It seems they also added the info on the website.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Chiok on September 05, 2007, 12:18:56 PM
Marc Cabry discovered they had change the washers a few months ago.  When I bought my axles from Butterfingers 7 months ago, they had the aluminium washers.  I believe this change was made due to the plastic washers having too much deflection during the tightening process and the diabolo would loosen up over time.  This does not happen as readily with the aluminium washers.

Still, always a good piece of information to remind people of.  As for the cracked hub, that's interesting indeed.  They're not really the right shape to crack under load, a very hard knock on a very sharp point perhaps?

Chiok
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: JC on September 05, 2007, 05:22:54 PM
@tommi

Thanks for your comment concerning the Standard Leicht Kits
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Dennis on June 22, 2008, 09:13:03 AM
I also decided to buy some new axles for my circuses for my birthday.
But I really don't know which ones to buy......

So which do you suggest, which are the best?
I want to have some that are good for 3d, and especially Vertax!

looking forward to some helpful answers,

Dennis

Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Chiok on June 24, 2008, 04:57:09 PM
Different people like different hubs.  I think the main choices are between regular shape in plastic, giant or all-round.  I personally have all-round and really like them.

Whichever ones you choose won't be a "wrong" choice.  You will adapt to them and learn to love whatever it is you have.

Chiok
* Don't read beauty magazines, they will only make you feel ugly.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Dennis on June 24, 2008, 05:14:59 PM
I think I'll order somer allround! ;)
are they good for vertax?
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Chiok on June 24, 2008, 05:24:11 PM
They're not bad for vertax, I make do as do many others.  I think it's more in the cups than the axle for vertax, but the main qualities don't really differ much.

Chiok
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: dan.ballarin on October 31, 2008, 04:27:15 PM
Can anyone tell me the difference between Henry's "Twist" axle and the "all-around".  I was going to get the "all-arounds" but thought that the twist had a wider metal part and would tangle up even less.  I do 1d and 2d with original Circus axles right now.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Sean on October 31, 2008, 04:51:35 PM
The twist has a wide axle and normal hubs. The all-around makes the diabolo slightly wider (5mm apparently), has different shaped hubs, and leaves a gap between the hub and axle. Never seen or used either in person.

The plain old regular shaped plastic hubs or ultralights are probably the most commonly used.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Jesse on October 31, 2008, 08:59:37 PM
Allrounds are much better. I don't know anyone who has tried both that hasn't liked the allrounds better. Tommi uses them.  ;) The gap doesn't bother me at all and as far as I know hasn't bothered anyone else. The twist is alright, but not that great. In fact I find that it tangles more easily than the allrounds.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: tommi on November 01, 2008, 09:51:13 AM
Tommi uses them.  ;)

That's not right, haven't used my allrounds for over a year. (we clearly don't practice together often enough Jesse  ;))  JC's kits are what I play with nowadays. Allrounds are nice too but I find them a little clumsy for 2 diabolo stuff.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Jesse on November 01, 2008, 10:45:09 AM
Oh right I forgot about the black ones.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: Diabolo88 on November 01, 2008, 11:17:42 AM
Don´t know how much people have discussed them in this thread but I will always love my wide acrobataxles (dunno about the name, they´re wide and black).

Learnt excalibur on them, absolutely awesome for vertical play and they also seem (haven´t weighed them to see if they actually do) to take the weight down + they are really smooth against the string. All in all a great kit for the circus.
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: seaneatsmuffins on April 15, 2009, 10:20:28 PM
Just wondering the best kit for circus diabolo
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: William on April 15, 2009, 11:59:03 PM
Whats better? Finesse or circus, sundia or taibolo? carbons or xtremes?

What I'm saying is everyone is going to have their own preference. Try and many as you can, or just pick one you think you'll like and buy them. At best get to a convention and just ask to try out peoples gear. I found my love for circus that way.

(Still a Sundia man through and through) ;)
Title: Re: Henrys Axles (teflon, 4erli, finger etc.)
Post by: seaneatsmuffins on April 16, 2009, 12:08:22 AM
yeah will thats a good idea to do thanks
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