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Title: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: kragen on November 12, 2004, 05:23:58 PM
I've been practicing all day by throwing in to myself, as far as I can tell i'm getting better because I can now keep the shuffle going for 6 or so catches, wheras before I was ounly doing 4 or so shuffles.

Wheras this is an improvement, considering I was working on it solidly for an entire day I dont think ive come much closer to actualy understanding how to do the shuffle :(

I found the best method to be "following" the path of the diabolo on my right with my right handstick, the trouble is that that ended up with one diabolo landing on top of the other after a short while.

From what I know about driving around the leg, I can stop this by driving to the right more with my right handsick as soon as ive stopped following the diabolo down, but so far doing that has just led to the shuffle falling apart even faster.

I'm really fustrated by the whole thing at the moment, I'm hoping that when I get someone to throw in for me later on tonight, that might help, either that or filming my failed attempts might give me some clues.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Matt Pang on November 12, 2004, 09:02:44 PM
The Shuffle happens a lot slower than people often think, my advice would be to drive with the right hand, by moving it up and down just pushing the diabolo along the string, under the other diabolo, which i'm sure you're doing already, but still to lift with the left just to the pop the diabolo's over the top, as you get more experienced you'll find that you'll use your left hand less and less and it will be the right hand doing all the work.
 Another thing someone told me was to get your first diabolo spinning really fast before you throw in the second so you don't have to worry about the first one as much and it will start to drive its self around. Hope this helps a bit  :?

Keep at it, it will come!

Matt P
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: MattF on November 12, 2004, 09:13:18 PM
don't give up Kragen, I know how frustrating learning 2 diabolos can be. It took me a good 2 months to make the 2 diabolo shuffle and correction of the cups prefect. Its well worth it when you finally perfect it.

I learned with a method (i think its called the rocket start). One thing which helped me when i was learning 2 diabolos was keeping the left hand completely still, and doing all the work with the right hand and stick. Use a little flick of the wrist when the diabolo passes the right stick. This gives the diabolo quite a bit of power and spin.

Also check out Dave Barnes' site its got some great 2 diabolo starts.

Hope this helps,

Matt
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: kragen on November 12, 2004, 10:56:56 PM
Yeah I know I'll get it eventually!

The trouble is ive been practicing all day, and ive gotten to the stage now where it feels like im just trying the same things over and over again :(

My right hand even aches when I try and do chienese whipping now from doing cheinese whipping with my more rigid wooden sticks too much lol!

The problem isnt with the start, my throw-ins arent ideal, but theyre not bad.

I will try using the left stick more as well, and keep at it.

Thanks for the encouragement! :)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Matt Pang on November 12, 2004, 11:18:39 PM
Some times taking a break from something you've been doing a lot can help as well....i know when i was learning to juggle 5 balls (bit different i know, lol.) if i took a break for half a day or a day and went back to it, it always seemed to be better than it was before, dunno why. Just don't let yourself get frustrated...
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: kragen on November 13, 2004, 01:01:00 AM
yeah, im thinking thats a really good idea at the moment,

Just been practicing and I seem to have gone backwards! :(

I'm going to have a go at it just now, but I will probably end up just giving up after that until I get comments on my shuffle from someone who can actualy do 2 diabolo (probably monday).

The very idea of having to wait until monday until I work on it again is very very fustrating! But a break from it is proabbly the best idea.

My room is too small to practice around both arms though :( :P
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: kragen on November 15, 2004, 02:55:46 PM
Ok - a little update,

I've been practicing on and off for the past 2 hours, and I think something has clicked! Just now I managed to keep the diabolo separated for a short while. I'm no longer just stuck with the shuffle just getting smaller and smaller and then collapsing any more! :D

The only thing is that if I just use my right handstick then the shuffle becomes more and more vertical until it collapses, however if I assist using my left hand i can actualy make it work like a proper shuffle (until they need correcting which I cant do yet),

My question is... Is using my left handstick like this a bad idea? nearly everyone else i've seen uses their right handstick only when doing the shuffle, I'm hoping that I can work on keeping the shuffle going using my left hand and then once I can keep the shuffle going teach myself to use my right handstick more and my left handstick not at all.

But I'm worried that learning to do the shuffle using my left hand will simply make it harder to teach myself to do the shuffle with my right hand alone!

Either way I'm greatly encouraged, I might not be there yet, but at least im making progress again!
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: norbi on November 15, 2004, 03:04:27 PM
If you're using both hands in sync thats fine its a great way to gain speed and make it look right (its right basically). If you are doing it async, so you left hand is actually hopping them upwards, you are going to have a slower shuffle but there is nothing wrong with it as such, also if you keep this habit, then you wont have to break any old habits when u learn 3, yey.

So left hand is fine.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: kragen on November 15, 2004, 03:27:57 PM
Ah thats good then,

One last question, whats the difference between "async" and "synch", at a geus one of them is using the left hand and one of them is using the right hand... is that basicly it?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: norbi on November 15, 2004, 04:06:41 PM
sync is short of synchronous and means moving both hands at the same time.
Async means asynchronously, or Off-sync, or alternating, which means moving the hands at different times. When it comes to 2 diabolos, its hard to find examples. But if you watch Trash or Baptiste do 3 diabolos, Trash does it sync, and Baptiste does it async.

hope that helps
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: kragen on November 15, 2004, 04:10:44 PM
ah yeah, I see - thanks.

Reading the thread about sean needing help with 3 diabolo makes a load more sense now!
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Sean on November 15, 2004, 04:42:45 PM
Quote from: kragen
if I just use my right handstick then the shuffle becomes more and more vertical until it collapses, however if I assist using my left hand i can actualy make it work like a proper shuffle... Is using my left handstick like this a bad idea?

No, I think you are progressing normally. Everyone I've seen learning 2 diabolos starts off by hopping the diabolos with only their left hand (assuming right handedness) and that's how I started too. The only problem with this is that the diabolos won't be accelerated meaning that they will stop spinning sooner and corrections will be a bigger issue. Once you get used to keeping it going with your left hand you will have the time to figure out how to use your right hand.

Using your left hand with your right hand is not a bad thing either. Watch videos of say, Baptiste, doing a two diabolo shuffle and he uses an asynch motion with lots of left hand motion. The essential part is eventually adding some right hand motion to accelerate the diabolos. It will all come naturally with time. Just stick with it.

Sean
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: kragen on November 16, 2004, 12:12:07 AM
whoop!

I'm really getting there, my shuffle is really uncontrolled, but it worked really well all the same, the diabolo were really well separated!

I'm well chuffed :D
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: kragen on November 29, 2004, 04:19:03 PM
yay!

Finally after 3 weeks, I really do "have" the shuffle, it works about 70% of the time (depending on how good my throw in is),

I am soooo chuffed! :D

Anyway, I am now faced with learning how to correct, which seems to me far far harder than the shuffle!

I've looked on the net and seen various quick guides on correcting, the best being the one on www.diabolotricks.com, but it doesnt actualy explain how you get the diabolo into a position where you can whack the diabolo! at the moment they just seem to be spinning so fast...

I've also been told to just whack a diabolo and see what happens! :P

For the moment im just gonna experiment with the shuffle and maybe hitting some of the diabolo randomly, has anyone got any more definite tips on how to proceed though?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Sean on November 29, 2004, 04:37:53 PM
Hmmm... how about trying a little research (http://diabolo.ca/forum/search.php)? ;)
Have a look at this: http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=9

Sean
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: kragen on November 29, 2004, 06:27:32 PM
Ooops :oops:
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: kurei on December 06, 2004, 03:32:21 AM
Have you watched the diabology trailer? I learned how to correct my shuffle from it and also from diabolotricks.com If you can do the shuffle corrections are easy... It will only take you a week to do it right... just remember to relax while practicing...  :D
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: kragen on December 06, 2004, 11:46:36 AM
I have watched the trailer, but I will take another look at all my video's and try and see how people correct.

I will get there, and in the mean time its not too bad because I am actualy doing 2 diabolo whenever im trying to learn corrections :)

Which is cool
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: seán_ on December 06, 2004, 01:35:09 PM
I believe -Fred- has a really nice clip of corrections but I cant see it on his site :) (its probably somebody else knowing me) the clip I'm thinking about is shot from over the shoulder looking down.

Basically just keep practicing it becomes second nature after a while and you will wonder what all the fuss was about.

(corrections might make a nice tutorial if anybody facies it)

Seán_
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: norbi on December 06, 2004, 01:46:05 PM
Quote from: seán_
(corrections might make a nice tutorial if anybody facies it)


Everyone has different ways of correcting, i use a completely different method from either of the 2 ways i was shown, because i couldnt get the hang of them so i played around until i found some that worked for me.

Do 1 diabolo leg orbits and try tapping/stroking/hitting/grinding the diabolo with the right stick as it comes over, this will give you an idea of what you can make the diabolo do by touching it in different places. Then practice getting one to go slightly higher than normal from a shuffle and apply your previous knowledge.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Sean on December 06, 2004, 03:21:42 PM
Quote from: seán_
I believe -Fred- has a really nice clip of corrections but I cant see it on his site

I don't think there is a link on his site. It is a great video. Fred, hope you don't mind us reposting it here:
http://diabolos.zonealta.net/videos/2d/divers/2dcorrections.avi

(That's in an XVID codec (http://www.xvid.org/index.php))

Sean
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Eduardo on December 06, 2004, 04:14:04 PM
I'm starting to try two diabolos, I tried a few starts and the wrap one seems to be the only one I can pull, the throwing one either myself or someone else only pops the already spinning diabolo out of the string far to my right side and I didn't managed to unwrap the diabolo fast enough in the wrap start.

The problem is, I can only manage a few shuffles, the diabolos start to get closer and closer and they crash.

Maybe my handsticks are too close? I need some tips... thanks in advance
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: diabololi on December 06, 2004, 04:34:20 PM
Eduardo-
Which stick are you using to shuffle the diabolos, are you pushing each one over with your left stick? Or are you following each diabolo round with you right?

Oli
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Tom_G on December 06, 2004, 05:06:19 PM
A few things:

1. When I'm correcting the far cup, my string almost always goes too far over the diabolo, and it falls off the string. Should I catch the diabolo normally and then just after it lands try to correct it, or should I just try tapping it a bit closer the axle?

2. When I'm doing the shuffle, the diabolo I throw in always ends up facing to the left (the axle of the diabolo always looks like  \  compared to |  ) - I guess this will just get better in time, but if anyone has any tips...

3. How do you do a wrap start?? Sorry if I'm being dim, but I cant find any tutorials or videos anywhere  :? (the correction video doesn't work for me :( )

4. Once I've got a fairly good shuffle going, what would be a good trick to start trying? Something easy that will give me a bit of confidence please  :wink:

Thanks a lot!  :D

One piece of advice to Eduardo: concentrate on the left stick to start with. I know this is completely the wrong movement, but it will get about 10 or 15 shuffles going before the diabolos fall off the string. Once you're fairly confident with the general feel of this, start using the right hand more and the left hand less. Hey, it worked for me, but I guess everyone's different... Also, the sticks are supposed to be close, so youre probably right there.

Keep trying  :)

Tom
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: seán_ on December 06, 2004, 05:38:57 PM
Quote from: Tom_G
A few things:

1. When I'm correcting the far cup, my string almost always goes too far over the diabolo, and it falls off the string. Should I catch the diabolo normally and then just after it lands try to correct it, or should I just try tapping it a bit closer the axle?


This caused me kittens at first so now I turn my hand so the point of the stick kind of faces me, this might help but I do remember the whole far cup correction thing took a while. some people correct the near cup 'normally' and use a grind to deal with problems that involve the far cup.

Quote from: Tom_G

2. When I'm doing the shuffle, the diabolo I throw in always ends up facing to the left (the axle of the diabolo always looks like  \  compared to |  ) - I guess this will just get better in time, but if anyone has any tips...


Probably just a practice thing or if you know it happens a correction early on (first pass or so). If practice doesnt help maybe find a slightly different throw in style. I throw in from the left butterfly style most times as this seems to work well for me.

Video of Left Hand Butterfly start  (http://elveystreet.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sean/diabolo/left_h_butterfly.avi) forgive my ropey shuffle and slight missalignment ;)

Quote from: Tom_G

3. How do you do a wrap start?? Sorry if I'm being dim, but I cant find any tutorials or videos anywhere  :? (the correction video doesn't work for me :( )


Get one up and spinning, gather both sticks in one hand (left) now you have to put the other diabolo in a backwrap (I'd sugest looking at a few videos to see how they do it) there are a few ways.
One is to hold the far cup, place the axle on the inside of the string, lift the diabolo anticlockwise over the handstick, you now have a wrap on the diabolo and your hand holding the far cup. this can be span from here but is awkward so move your hand so you are cupping both bells (right hand side), when you are ready, give the diabolo a spin, grab the handstick and send the diabolo over the lright stick and into the shuffle. A bit of practice is needed so get the right action.

There are other methods of getting the backwrap on but really it lends itself to pictures or videos

Older string might help here, really new string can be a bit too slippy when learning wrap starts.
Also people find that this method can turn the diabolo / so maybe try starting the spin with the diabolo slightly \


Quote from: Tom_G

4. Once I've got a fairly good shuffle going, what would be a good trick to start trying? Something easy that will give me a bit of confidence please  :wink:

Thanks a lot!  :D


I'd suggest backwraps or stopovers, both are covered on www.2diabolo.net , both are simmilar . Backwraps are handy because they are a great way to get speed up.  They are also good practice for wrap starts (and vice versa), there are more tricks there that I think most diaboloists have a pop at when getting to grips with tricks (I was happy to get two going, I never thought I would be able to do tricks)

Quote from: Tom_G

One piece of advice to Eduardo: concentrate on the left stick to start with. I know this is completely the wrong movement, but it will get about 10 or 15 shuffles going before the diabolos fall off the string. Once you're fairly confident with the general feel of this, start using the right hand more and the left hand less. Hey, it worked for me, but I guess everyone's different... Also, the sticks are supposed to be close, so youre probably right there.

Keep trying  :)

Tom


Yup, I'd say one thing with the left is that it is worth thinking about what kind of motion you have, I think if you lift up and then slightly to the left you might find the shuffle starting to open up, then as Tom mentions get the right hand driving and ease of with the left.

I dont think its wrong to use the left in the shuffle but I do think its important to get the right hand driving down so I usually say you need to use the left to get the shuffle started then let the right do the work. Some people stick to this others use both hands (asynch) or a combination of hands as and when they have the basic shuffle motion down.

Hope that helps a bit
some more tips can be found in this post
Starting and correcting 2 diabolos (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=9)

Seán
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: diabololi on December 06, 2004, 06:30:01 PM
Wow, you're probably right, I've been teaching my friend 2 diabolos and he only uses his left stick and I told him he was doing it wrong. I guess I should just let him get on with it.

Oli
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Tom_G on December 06, 2004, 06:49:50 PM
That's great, seán_ - everything I need to know! I didn't expect such a long reply - and in such a short time!  :D

It's all down to practice now I guess.... that backwrap is going to be annoying me for a while  :P

Quote from: seán_
(I was happy to get two going, I never thought I would be able to do tricks)

Don't get me wrong - I'm really happy to be able to do two :) I guess I'm just impatient  :lol:

Thanks again
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Eduardo on December 06, 2004, 07:34:26 PM
Thanks a lot people I'll give it another go today at the club (I don't have two diabolos else I'd try it everyday, I'm happy my sister will buy me one for the christmas :P) I'll tell you tomorrow if I made any progress.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: j0hn on June 27, 2005, 01:20:35 PM
hello,

i'm new to here (although been reading it for 6 months or so), and i'm hoping that some of you more experienced with 2 diabolos can help me out on something causing me unecessary frustration!

i started learning 2d earlier this year, and through all the advice given on this forum, various videos and a massively good workshop by sean and dave p at shefcon this year (thanks muchly!) i have my shuffle technique down and bagged a few simple tricks too. however, something that has been constantly hindering me is the position / angle of the handsticks and how that affects the alignment of the diabolos.

basically, i got  told by a number of people that if the sticks are roughly pointing towards each other, it helps. what tends to happen when i have them like that is they fall out of line very quickly - not tipping backwards and forwards, but instead of circling parallel to the body, one of them (usually the right) will tend to go further away from the body. i've watched loads of videos of people shuffling 2 and tried to copy their technique, especially from the barnesy "just 2" vid, but to no avail. no matter what angle i put the handsticks at, none of them seem to want to keep pushing the diabolos around level to each other.

any ideas? if anyone could give me any advice or tell me the exact stick positions they use when shuffling 2, it would be greatly appreciated  :)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: seán_ on June 27, 2005, 01:51:29 PM
Hi  J0hn

Glad that Dave P's workshop (that I was helping with) was of use to you.

It sounds like you might be popping a diabolo out of line with one or the other hand (Most likely the left))

the things I did when this was happening to me

I had somebody look at my shuffle from the side
I tried to use my right hand a bit more allowing the shuffle to pop the diabolo over.
I played around with how I held the sticks from both pointing forward to both in line with the string and mixing the directions.
I tried holding my sticks shorter

My standard stick position (one that works for me) is sticks at  nearly right angles, left stick pointing right, right stick pointing forward ( actually 2 oclock and 11) but I change the positions when I do certain tricks and change the shape of the shuffle etc. When I do this, especially with the left, I try to move the sticks in such a way that i dont disturb the string alignmnent too much.

HTH of you go and practice
Sean_
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Chiok on June 28, 2005, 01:09:54 AM
I've got this problem a bit as well with misaligned sticks.  It tends to make me correct more than I should need to.  When I notice it happen, it's usually my left hand infront, so I try and pull it back bit by bit to move the shuffle back to plane.  This is a very annoying habit that I need to really sort. Although you'll need to break plane with lots of moves unfortunately like vortices.

Chiok
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: wua05 on September 16, 2005, 02:43:06 AM
hi i just started working on 2d about a week ago.  when i throw in a diabolo, i manage to "drive" the diabolo.  However, i can only drive 1/2, instead of how everyone can do 2/2.  this may sound confusing, but i mean that when i drive the 1st diabolo, the second diabolo comes in and i dont have time to drive it.  by the time im ready to drive the daibolo, the 1st one comes.  is there any advice i can get?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Hoop on September 16, 2005, 06:21:35 PM
Are you having one diabolo orbit the other?  I think that is a trick in and of itself.  What I mean is, does the shuffle keep going or fall apart from your problem?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: tomangleberger on September 17, 2005, 04:39:54 AM
Quote from: wua05
hi i just started working on 2d about a week ago.  when i throw in a diabolo, i manage to "drive" the diabolo.  However, i can only drive 1/2, instead of how everyone can do 2/2.  this may sound confusing, but i mean that when i drive the 1st diabolo, the second diabolo comes in and i dont have time to drive it.  by the time im ready to drive the daibolo, the 1st one comes.  is there any advice i can get?


I'm not 100 percent sure what you mean, but if you are having the second diabolo come down to close to the one already on the string, that's a problem I had for a while.
I had to force myself to focus on getting the on-string diabolo as far to the left as possible as quickly as possible.
Also, getting the on-string diabolo to roll up towards the left hand stick should give you a little more time.

don't forget to download barnsey's video of himself doing 2d with no tricks. Very helpful.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: wua05 on September 17, 2005, 07:16:00 AM
can you give me the link to that video?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: tomangleberger on September 17, 2005, 03:04:02 PM
Quote from: wua05
can you give me the link to that video?


http://dreamhost.barnesy.org/just2.mpg

 Here you go!
 Also what a great opportunity to say, Thanks Barnesy!
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: wua05 on September 17, 2005, 05:32:38 PM
Thanks Barnesy!

Quote from: tomangleberger
getting the on-string diabolo as far to the left as possible as quickly as possible.


yes i think this is where i am having trouble, because i do it too slow.  when i drive one, i dont have time to drive the next one, so i wait for the first one again.  yes, kinda confusing, but sorry  :lol:
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: wua05 on September 18, 2005, 04:21:47 AM
i seem to have fixed this problem.  now i am faced with learning how to correct :-/

edit- okay now i can do it pretty much the same way as barnsy does it.  but, after a while one diabolo is much more "forward" than the other one, although they are still paralel, if u understand that.  what am i doing wrong?

oh btw is it better to have the diabolos revolving in a circular way or an eliptical way?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: mofosyko on September 19, 2005, 03:11:38 AM
It depends really, circular is a better position to enter some tricks with. The shuffle should be pretty circular anyway, if its not then the diabolos are probably hopping onto the other side instead of rolling around.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: eggy900 on September 19, 2005, 04:03:59 PM
Quote from: Matt Pang
Some times taking a break from something you've been doing a lot can help as well....i know when i was learning to juggle 5 balls (bit different i know, lol.) if i took a break for half a day or a day and went back to it, it always seemed to be better than it was before, dunno why. Just don't let yourself get frustrated...


i agree, a couple of months ago i could only do a few shuffles but when i tried again last week i managed a good 30 or so, a break does help
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: tomangleberger on September 19, 2005, 05:23:32 PM
Quote from: wua05
i seem to have fixed this problem.  now i am faced with learning how to correct :-/

edit- okay now i can do it pretty much the same way as barnsy does it.  but, after a while one diabolo is much more "forward" than the other one, although they are still paralel, if u understand that.  what am i doing wrong?


First of all, don't worry about the corrections too much. They will come eventually. If you can get a good shuffle going and put some spin on them, they will not need correction so much. (This is just echoing advice I read elsewhere in this thread.) I encourage you to work on tricks and wait until corrections start to feel natural.

As for your second problem, this happens to me all the time. I usually just give one diabolo a little toss and catch it so that it is now back in line with the other diabolo.

Learning to toss one of the diaboli is well worth it. It helps solve a lot of problems and gives you some spin. Plus, you can use tosses to set up suns & suicides.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: wua05 on September 20, 2005, 12:34:49 AM
thnx for you help, can you give me some advice on how to toss it?  i tried it and it is pretty hard to throw it straight up

edit- okay after experimenting a while i can throw it up pretty well by driving a diabolo very hard, as it natually goes up the towards my left hand and pops up.  is this the coreect way?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: tomangleberger on September 20, 2005, 03:50:02 AM
Quote from: wua05
i can throw it up pretty well by driving a diabolo very hard, as it natually goes up the towards my left hand and pops up.  is this the coreect way?


Sounds good to me. Whatever works. It'll be automatic soon. Remember you're looking for that perfect Priam arc from left handstick to right handstick.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Archangel_i on November 11, 2005, 06:10:46 AM
Finally I got the 2d shuffle “working”. Like other diabolists, I started using my left hand only, now I am using both, RH doing circles and my LH going up and down.
Am I doing it right ( well.. on the right track to perfection??)). When I look at them working together it seems they keep getting closer and closer on an horizontal line. Is it good/ bad ???. What should I do next ( except practicing ) to make the RH do all the job.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Chiok on November 11, 2005, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: Archangel_i
When I look at them working together it seems they keep getting closer and closer on an horizontal line. Is it good/ bad ???. What should I do next ( except practicing ) to make the RH do all the job.
Good to hear it's working for you.  Just liking running 5 balls (bounce or in the air), this feeling of controlling the seemingly uncontrollable.

As for this horizontal line thing, I get that when I try to do a shuffle like Dave P and pump it really fast with my right hand keeping my left still (my momentary practise for possibly trying 3 synch).  If you can keep the timing, great.  But when you're just a bit out of time, you'll disrupt the flow and it'll start getting more and more horizontal and finally collide.  This is a less prominent event if you use your left hand a bit to pop it up just a lil as it goes across.

Chiok
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: dynamaniac on November 11, 2005, 10:06:00 PM
just started learning 2d last night, and ive had two good runs of around 16 catches each so far. this thread is helping a ton.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Archangel_i on November 13, 2005, 10:41:11 AM
Tring so much hard that my hands are getting bumps on them. Corections are way much harder than the shuffle. Trying all type, havent find one that suits me ( tapping, grinding, etc). Arghhh
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: redmonkey on October 06, 2006, 09:13:32 PM
heres my problem,
i can start another diabolo via a wrapstart, the problem is, i cant keep the shuffle going, what am i doing wrong

btw, im new here. hey!

i have 2 finesses, one of them has a finger axel
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: seán_ on October 06, 2006, 10:45:18 PM
theres some great stuff in this thread
practice, you'll get it in no time and it's so worth it.
See about getting the normal axle back on for a while if you can.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Matt_ on October 07, 2006, 03:09:18 AM
yeah, it's kind of a challenge to do different axles...if you must use seperate types, i'd say that you should be wrapping in the one with the standard axle.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: -Leo- on October 07, 2006, 09:31:32 AM
After you have the shuffle solid different axels might be ok. When i first learned to do 2 diabolos I used one with a wide axel and one with a thin axel so that i got some of the benefits of a wide axel and I could still correct the thin axel dibolo to the one with the wide axel. (I did this because I couldn't do wrap corrections)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: redmonkey on October 08, 2006, 04:03:25 PM
i have the shuffle most of the time now.

my problem is correcting, when they go out of line i try to touch the cups but the diabolos just miss the string, what am i doing wrong???
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: seán_ on October 10, 2006, 07:02:13 PM
i have the shuffle most of the time now.

my problem is correcting, when they go out of line i try to touch the cups but the diabolos just miss the string, what am i doing wrong???
moving your hands too much out of line.
work on changing the shuffle shape especially popping one up so you can get the diabolo in a nice place to correct rather than trying to reach for the diabolo you want to correct.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: -Leo- on October 10, 2006, 08:58:40 PM
Also turning your body to face the axels of the diabolos might help you learn to correct.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Beni on January 15, 2007, 07:22:25 PM
Tap the diabolo as it hits the string, not too early. And try some tricks, your correcting wil get better as you go along.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: diabolo store on January 23, 2007, 10:22:19 PM
when i drive with my right hand, the 2 diabolso keep colliding verticallyu. how do i fix this?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: seán_ on January 23, 2007, 10:40:32 PM
untill you have a fast solid shuffle you still need some concious motion with the left, else they'll collapse. just a slight up and away, keep at it, you'll get it soon. If you can maintain a shuffle another way concentrate on that, the other methods come with time.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Neil on March 30, 2007, 11:18:05 PM
hey i'm new to the forum and just starting to try to learn the 2d shuffle
problem is that usually i only get one or two catches before i just completely miss the string with a diabolo

is this normal for the first few hours of attempts?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: seán_ on March 31, 2007, 12:42:17 AM
yeah, we all missed the string, you'll either have a hand alignment problem or will be pushing the diabolos out of line when you throw across.
The narrower gapped synch pattern tends to miss less if you can drive it comfortably.

Keep at it, it wont be a problem soon.

Good luck
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: cpai on March 31, 2007, 06:00:12 AM
Is there a way to correct tilt without making the diabolos turn? When I try to correct tilt by tapping, either it does nothing to the tilt or turns it instead of correcting tilt.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Sean on March 31, 2007, 06:04:28 AM

Is there a way to correct tilt without making the diabolos turn?

There most certainly are ways. It depends where you are rubbing/tapping. Rubbing the sides will make it tilt but not turn. Experiment with 1 diabolo spinning and a stick to figure out where to rub then work at it, and work at it, and work at it with 2.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Neil on April 01, 2007, 10:47:11 AM
ok then, cheers
i'll just keep trying :)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: seán_ on April 01, 2007, 12:26:16 PM
Depending on where the contact is will determine wether it tilts, turns or both at the same time.
Hold 1 diabolo in a loop or left stopover and touch it ion different places, you will soon get the idea cpai.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: shiber on April 10, 2007, 11:42:36 AM
keep on traning ;)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: zwiggelbig on May 05, 2007, 05:47:50 PM
I just started lurning 2d to.
But the thing is that you all say your right hand is doing most work or both hands
But what im doing is my right hand is doing nothing now and i keep pushing the diabolo up with my left hand
and after like 3 times they collaps i know this is wrong.. :-\ Gotta practice on letting my right hand to do something..
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Ben. on May 05, 2007, 05:52:37 PM
that is what i did when i was learning. then i met this guy called taffy and he told me that you have to push down with the right hand and it helped a lot!
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: zwiggelbig on May 05, 2007, 10:20:34 PM
And push up with the left hand?

Down with right
Up with left?

Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Ben. on May 06, 2007, 01:00:31 PM
yep push down with the right and pull up with the left
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: zwiggelbig on May 10, 2007, 07:33:04 AM
I can't find the motion of the right hand.. every time i try it with a wrap start
Then i onley use my left hand... Can't make a motion with my right hand.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Unforgiven on May 10, 2007, 10:31:11 AM
I can't find the motion of the right hand.. every time i try it with a wrap start
Then i onley use my left hand... Can't make a motion with my right hand.

I got the same problem. I use only my right hand to go up (leftie). When I've done the shuffle sometime, like 5-10 times, the other diabolo starts to get away from the string. Guess I have to practice it with left hand too.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: zwiggelbig on May 10, 2007, 02:33:49 PM
I now started to practice stop using the left hand pussing it up and i did a few times getting the motion of pushing down with right. And now i try to use boths
Pus up with right and push up with right. Now im just gonna practice on the shuffle  untill i can do it i cant expect i can do it in a day.. :D
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: zwiggelbig on May 14, 2007, 08:02:28 AM
New progress update:
I can now do the shuffle i just found the feeling
All you gotta lurn is to get the feeling of pushing up with left and push down with right!
When you get that you will make a smooth motion and you can do the shuffle.
But then you will face corrections. Can't do that yet thats the next step to lurn.

My onley problem is that 7 of the 10 times the wrap start goes wrong and that the diabolo is not straight in it...

And i can't speed the diabolo's up with the string i have if i wrap a diabolo with my string it will twist up immediatly its not string made for diabolo's.. il get my henrs tommorow :D
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: k2pek2 on May 16, 2007, 11:25:13 PM
i can keep the shuffle going. i want to know if i'm doing anything wrong though, i only use my right hand and basically the left one just stays in one place. i kind of mostly just move the diabolo i'm catching to the left and then it hops up again once i catch the other one. anything wrong?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: zwiggelbig on May 19, 2007, 04:03:32 PM
Can i ask what is the most diffrence between using both right and left hand on the shuffle.
Or onley the right hand?

Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Alex! on May 19, 2007, 04:23:33 PM
Using just the right hand keeps the shuffle taller than using both your left and right hands and when I was learning the shuffle I found this did not help because it kept getting too tall and then collapsing in on itself. The left hand movement was useful for getting a bit more control over the diabs and keeping the whole shuffle more horizontal.
You can do either and there is no real correct movement of your hands as everyones shuffle is different, its just what suits you best and is easiest for you.

Yay, 200th post... ;D
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: zwiggelbig on May 25, 2007, 08:51:18 AM
Hehe gratz, and tnx Benmorgan i can do shuffle tnx to your tip:P

But now i have a other question what is the following order to do 2d
First lurn shuffle then lurn correction then speed up? or first get shuffle going speed up and correct.?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: NeoRufus on June 07, 2007, 10:41:31 PM
Hehe gratz, and tnx Benmorgan i can do shuffle tnx to your tip:P

But now i have a other question what is the following order to do 2d
First lurn shuffle then lurn correction then speed up? or first get shuffle going speed up and correct.?


I think it's best to learn: shuffle --> speed up --> correct
Because it's easier to correct diabolos when their speed is higher.

I'm shuffling for quite some time now, but I never got the hang of speeding them back up and correcting. This week I learnt to speed them up and correcting followed pretty quick.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Eric Moffett on June 08, 2007, 02:20:38 AM
Well, I've had a bitch of a time trying to correct so I gave up! :o and decided to learn acceleration, I've had a bitch of a time with that, but I made progress! So I also learned the wrap start, I've been tossing it in. Then I noticed the diabolos like to stay in a straighter line when they are both going nice and fast, but they are more aggressive. Since they now have more spin and are generally better in line, I found some times I can correct them right and it won't all fall apart, but most of the time I can't... So if you have trouble with something learn different things!
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: josephmcginley on June 12, 2007, 12:56:48 PM
Just learning here too, I may be learning in a horribly inefficient way, but I'm making lots of little bits of progress and really enjoying it.  In the last couple of days I've managed to do a few runs with one or two corrections for the first time... I've got a great buzz from every single one.

One thing I've noticed is: there are 3 things you must keep under control:  The blue diabolo, the red diabolo, and the shuffle.  To concentrate on one of these 3 things means I have to ignore the other two a bit:  This is what usually happens:
1. I notice "The blue diabolo is starting to tilt away from me"
2. I take a guess at where I will need to hit it
3. I kind of tweak the shuffle so that I have a little extra time to make the correction on the blue diabolo  (not sure how I am doing this, but it seems to come naturally)
4. I try to tap the blue diabolo in the right spot
5. Now I have to recover the shuffle back to full health after I deliberately messed it up in step 3.
6. By the time the shuffle looks healthy again the red diabolo probably needs a correction
7. Everything falls to pieces

I expect that with more practice the shuffle will become automatic, then I'll only have two things to concentrate on.  That would make the whole situation a lot easier to cope with.

I'm really enjoying the progress I'm making at the moment,  I think I'm at the stage where I would really benefit from meeting someone who can already do 2d so they can look at my shuffle, and give me a little trouble-shooting.  Luckily there is a juggling convention coming soon just 100km from where I live.

Dave Barnes's website (http://www.2diabolo.net) is great... very good explanations and videos for learning 2d shuffle.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: William on June 22, 2007, 11:11:32 AM
Make sure you have speed. Slow spinning diabolos react heavily to corrections.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Hodges on July 26, 2007, 12:01:29 PM
would having wider axles on your diabolos affect the sart in any way? ive got 2 MB finesse diabolos, (ones G2 the others G3 but i've taken them apart and put them back together so that theyre half G2/G3) and on both of them ive got the evolution 1 upgrade for longer axles. i'm not sure whether this always happens, but i do the wrap start and the 2nd diabolo always seems to turn so its perpendicular to the other diabolo, would this have anything to do with the axles?

hodges
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Dan on July 26, 2007, 03:09:26 PM
Just try adding more spin when you release it with your hand.  When i got wide axled fly's i had this problem a couple of times but thats because i just tried starting my accelerations without any spin on it beforehand.  Now i can go straight into chinese whips  ;D
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Hodges on July 26, 2007, 04:24:17 PM
thanks, i'll try that when the weather sorts itself out... ::)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: psyspinner on August 18, 2007, 03:01:04 PM
before I started reading this thread I was getting nowhere with my 2d shuffle.

But it clicked last night!

less is really more for 2d :)

the movent of your hands is small and slower yes! Dont panick!
small  hand movements, and keeping those sticks low, and closes together made it work for me.

And a good string backwrap start was probably the hardest to learn but easier than throwing it in as i find you get more speed and a straighter flying diablo the backwrap start way.

 Massive thank you to everyone posting on this forum, you just saved me 2 months frustration i rekon.

I know you probably covered all this but hey, im excited ;))

I can even drive it with my right hand, its feels good yesss!

crashing after about 10 -15 spins, but its comin along nicely.

now steering ;)

catch you all in a month ;)

happy spinning. :D ;D :D

Richy.

Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: William on August 19, 2007, 12:26:38 AM
Congratulations Psyspinner. I wish the same thing would happen for me- but with three  ;)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Marijn on September 11, 2007, 10:21:51 AM
I decided not to learn anymore 2d tricks until i can do continious wraps smooth..... i never practiced them because it is so very very very frustrating it makes me feel like breaking stuff (i never did :P, but i jsut cant stand them >:() :-X
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Eric Moffett on September 11, 2007, 01:06:38 PM
I decided not to learn anymore 2d tricks until i can do continious wraps smooth..... i never practiced them because it is so very very very frustrating it makes me feel like breaking stuff (i never did :P, but i jsut cant stand them >:() :-X

I figured out continuous wrap acceleration, my problem was I was making the movement way to big, you need to just return the diabolo into the shuffle not throw it, and so the other diabolo just pops up perfectly in the right place to get wrapped.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Marijn on September 11, 2007, 04:22:25 PM
I figured out continuous wrap acceleration, my problem was I was making the movement way to big, you need to just return the diabolo into the shuffle not throw it, and so the other diabolo just pops up perfectly in the right place to get wrapped.

yeah i already figured that it was something like that, when i have enough time i will just practice it for multiple hours to (hopefully) get it right.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: TomMiller on September 12, 2007, 10:03:49 PM
ok ive started 2 and i can get it going preety well sept my shuffle just gets smaller and smaller then dies  :( and im using my left to pop them up but nuin seems to work wud long string have to do with it cus the string goes from the floor to my nose is this to long
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: William on September 18, 2007, 07:38:16 AM
the string goes from the floor to my nose is this to long

Much too long (IMO). Try around chest-shoulder height.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Squiggle on September 18, 2007, 07:52:44 AM
Much too long (IMO). Try around chest-shoulder height.

It's all preference, It has been discussed. I like both, If your usto long string, Stick with it imo.

Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: TomMiller on September 18, 2007, 05:47:21 PM
thank Ill try that length but my carbon fibre sticks cut  the string form inside i dunno how so I'm buying sum extremes ATM I'm using string from the floor to just below my ribs yeah i no way to short
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: William on September 19, 2007, 02:26:37 AM
It's all preference.

Exactly, Thats why I wrote IMO.  ;)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: TomMiller on September 20, 2007, 09:58:52 PM
got my string the right length ;D almsot got it i can do the shuffle but not that long and suprisingy i can do sprinkler
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on October 11, 2007, 04:28:23 PM
Im having shuffle problems.
I accidentally learned anti-shuffle to start, which i do a good distanced shuffle in, except corrections.
Now that im trying to learn the real shuffle, im having a lot of trouble.

1. My diabolo often misses the sticks or string when i try to do the shuffle, it often goes over.
2. When i try to do a shuffle with less stick movement, it just gets smalller until it collapses.
3. When i do wrap starts, the diabolo doesnt really balance out.

i do it with left hand higher then right, but i might be over pushing, and my movement doesnt look normal.
Can someone try to analyze what my problem might be, and maybe give me a summary of a good, right handed, flowing shuffle?(I have a horrible left hand)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: seán_ on October 11, 2007, 06:06:37 PM
Legault I reckon you accidentally learnt a 'wrong handed' shuffle if you'd managed antishuffle I doubt you'd have any problem getting a normal shuffle since antishuffle is a fairly advanced technique (shuffling the opposite direction to the way the diabolos want to go through tere direction of spin without loosing speed).

1. have somebody look from the side and see if you are throwing the diabolo out of line. practice open orbits and leg orbits using a variety of left, right and both hands.
2. practice
3. you need to turn the diabolo a set amount towards you before releasing to allow for the tendancy for the diabolo twisting back, learn how much is required for YOUR start. keep your starts consitant and dont allow the diabolo to drop too far down the string before unwrapping.

Video some attempts and put it on youtube. bear in mind that 2d is hard to crack and you have to have a certain level of ability and feel or you'll get frustrated by trying to develop that feel at the same time as trying to crack 2.
Read through this thread again and probably more usefull the monster one as that deals more with the stage you are at.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: TomMiller on October 11, 2007, 06:18:15 PM
Heh i know it a b***h to do it i almost gave up, but when you dont expect it you do it out of no where  ,then after that your shuffle become better and beter and so on so NEVER GIVE UP!
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on October 11, 2007, 07:26:04 PM
seán, thank you so much! I had my brother look from the side, and found i was doing it wrong, and i practiced leg orbits and worked with my left, and realized i had to put a lot faster thrusts from my left, and then my async shuffle practically clicked (besides corrections) Now i just have to work on those and my sync shuffle. THANK YOU SO MUCH  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: TomMiller on October 11, 2007, 09:10:13 PM
What no one thanks me..nah im only joking ;D,Glad you made the shuffle it will be your new best friend
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on October 11, 2007, 10:32:03 PM
Well, i found my shuffle isnt so great.
While it is going the right direction, it seems like im only using my left hand, and its not a very wide shuffle(But it does stay apart which is good)
So im not sure if its slowing down, and i have no idea how to do tricks =P
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Matt D on October 11, 2007, 10:42:45 PM
@legault
try to get your right hand to do more of a push instead of your left hand doing a lift. That should make it more controlled and then from there you can do some easy tricks, sun, around the leg, sprinkler.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: robbie322 on December 11, 2007, 07:47:40 PM
hey i'm working on the suffle right now and getting it going for about 15 seconds or so. but my shuffle always ends up horizontal. any ideas?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: cpai on December 12, 2007, 12:29:54 AM
What do you mean by horizontal?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: William on December 12, 2007, 03:03:02 AM
Vertax. Don't worry. Its been solved in another thread.


Seven.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: robbie322 on December 12, 2007, 10:32:17 PM
What do you mean by horizontal?

just that it goes really flat and the diabolos keeo going but dont get much air. it eventually falls to piece, although it's getting better now
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Midoryu on February 11, 2008, 06:24:06 AM
So far, all of the beginners have been having trouble with their shuffles is because they don't feel the shuffle.  Kragen, wua05, Ben. and psyspinner have all had this problem.  I think the most important thing to 2d is the motion of the drive of your right hand.  In plain english, the motion you make when you "drive" the diabolo down in 2d is the most important factor here, and a lot of beginners don't know what "drive" really means.  For those of you out there who don't know what it really means, try doing orbits around your leg using ONLY your right hand.  And, answer yourself this question:  What motion should my right hand make to spin the single diabolo in the 2d?  Sure it's hard to answer, but it really focuses on one thing:

During your start, bring your right hand just a little bit above the nearest diabolo.  The force of the shuffle will force the diabolo in an arc towards your right hand, so you don't need to worry about using your left hand to help you (if it helps using your left hand, then go ahead.  But this is only if your want to practice not using your left hand as much.  The whole reason why not a lot of people are using their left hands are becasue you don't NEED to, because of the natural movement of the diabolos).  Then, you want to roll the diabolo on your right string, down in a small arc, and "scoop" the diabolo to the left.  When I say scoop, I mean a tiny motion.  It should not exceed around 2 centimetres or an inch.  That will force the second diabolo to come to your right hand.  Repeat the previous motion, and that will bring your first diabolo back to your right hand.

Of course, the above is only for people starting off.  I myself have only gotten familiarized with the motion recently, so I know I'm not really in the positin to giving out good advice yet.  But, it's all in the motion, so I feel that that is the most important thing when it comes to 2d.

By the way, how do I correct 2d WITHOUT brushing/tapping/hitting/pounding/stroking (or any other related synonyms) the diabolos?  I know it's possible, looking at praynay, the Sharpe Brothers, Ryo Yabe, and myself with leg orbits.  The only thing is putting it into action...How???
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: seán_ on February 13, 2008, 06:02:14 PM
Corrections can be made with the string itself.
Think of it this way, often when doing 2d you will do something with your hand position to make the diabolos run out of line, there fore you can use hand motions that will also correct.

I think a lot of this happens subconsciously when you have a decent shuffle and personally I wouldn't suggest this method of correction as the first one to learn rather It's one that you will learn just through doing 2d. (Ironically at a point that you will require less correction anyway)

String correction is the one most widely used in high diabolo.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Tidus on April 04, 2008, 03:27:54 PM
for me it helped a lot, not to try to push the diabolos down on the right side (righties), but rather lift the string up as soon as the diabolo touches the string. the fluid movement looks like I'd push it down everytime it comes to the right side, but in fact I try to lift up the string and then I have to lower it to do that again. I think it's more the way you accelerate one diabolo as a beginner.
with this movement I'm easily able to keep the shuffle going using my right hand only.

maybe this can be helpful for someone...  ;)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: zwiggelbig on October 13, 2008, 02:14:33 PM
Alright someone told me a way to learn corrections.. I onley forgot who =|

Anyways.. If you want to know what kind of a tap makes wich kind of a correction do this:

Get into a stickstall and now you can just experiment.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on October 13, 2008, 03:52:37 PM
I learnt corrections from 1D around the leg, experimented tapping different places, got control over it, then tried with 2D.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Diabolique on December 27, 2008, 04:34:47 PM
my problem is that when i throw the diabolo in ,after a few shuffles it finally becomes too slow and falls of the string, i need help with the looping please.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: mike. on December 28, 2008, 10:44:13 PM
you probably shouldnt use the throw start. try the wrap start or the "faast start"
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Diabolique on December 29, 2008, 10:45:30 AM
thank you ,ill try to watch my diabology dvd again!
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Hathaway on December 29, 2008, 11:36:30 AM
Assuming you are right handed: Use your right hand to push the diabolos round, the harder you push the more spin you will put on to them. As with anything once you have the feel it is the 'easiest' thing in the world, just keep practicing!
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Mr.D on January 21, 2009, 10:01:57 PM
I have the problem that both diabolos tilt forward, away from me, as I shuffle, and eventually crash/jumps off the string. I'm no good at corrections yet, but do I  have to correct constantly to prevent the tilting, or am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Sean on January 21, 2009, 10:48:28 PM
If both are tilting then everything isn't lined up right. If you push forward with each movement of your dominant hand (right hand for a right hander) they will both tilt that way. Conversely pulling in will do the opposite. Play with it a bit and see how it goes. Also realise that slow spinning diabolos are very unstable. You'll need some practice to get good at getting them up to speed quickly.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Swix on January 27, 2009, 03:05:32 PM
The best way to learn it, is to try, fail, try, fail, try, fail.
Suddenly, you can do it! thats the way Ive done it :)

I uploaded an video on youtube, and one person gave me a little tip to get it look better, and make it easyer. He told me to use my right hand more than i did on that vid.

Good luck everyone :)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Terminator on February 20, 2009, 10:08:19 PM
Ive been practicing but it seems that as my shuffle is sustained longer, it becomes smaller and smaller and then they crash.Any tips? :'(
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: mike. on February 20, 2009, 11:37:43 PM
you probably arent pushing hard enough with your right hand causing the diabolos to lose speed and in turn, momentum.

either push harder or learn accelerations.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: sadOreo on February 21, 2009, 12:05:06 AM
my right hand cant even push at all yet its all my left hand lmao
is it more impressive to do 2d same color or 2 contrasting colors?
whats the most impressive contrast?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: mike. on February 21, 2009, 01:57:34 PM
it doesn't really matter. both are fine.

probably the same to be professional
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Terminator on February 28, 2009, 04:54:06 PM
I just ordered two new sundia multicolored diabolos......ftw
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Terminator on March 06, 2009, 01:25:24 AM
now my shuffle is getting demented.  My diabolos leave from the left string and gradually the only way to sustain it is to put out the right stick because the diabolos keep flying in the northeast direction. :'(  Can anyone give me tips?
   
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: mike. on March 06, 2009, 08:15:22 PM
now my shuffle is getting demented.  My diabolos leave from the left string and gradually the only way to sustain it is to put out the right stick because the diabolos keep flying in the northeast direction. :'(  Can anyone give me tips?
 

try and push with your right hand too.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Terminator on March 07, 2009, 06:19:15 PM
How do you keep from having the diabolos tilt?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Sean on March 07, 2009, 10:01:37 PM
How do you keep from having the diabolos tilt?
1. Line everything up straight.
2. Get them going faster.
3. Read through this thread.
4. Practice, practice, practice, and practice some more. :)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: aioN on December 28, 2009, 11:17:23 PM
Hi,

I have been doing two diabolos for 1 week, and i'm not making any progress.
   when im starting the shuffle it goes around 2 times before it crashes into the other diabolo. Am i supposed to use the right stick more??  (im right handed)

I, at the point of giving up..  its realy frustrating and I just want to burn the diabolo...   :-|         

Someone  PLZ help 

( Im using one finesse g3 and one g4, can that be the problem?)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Toddyupa on December 29, 2009, 03:44:18 AM
2 different weights doesn't matter too much, unless they are big. It would be easier with 2 g3s or g4s, you just have to experiment with how much of this hand, and how much of that hand. It's hard to say what you have to do differently if we don't know exactly what your doing, maybe a video of your problem could help? Anyway, DON'T GIVE UP!
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: NewfoundAddictions on February 01, 2010, 09:24:40 AM
I've managed to be able to a very uncontrolled shuffle,
I think that might help my cause is a little bit better understanding of the stick positions.

Are they exactly parallel to each other, or is the right stick
pointing a little bit further out than the left? (I'm Right handed)
because sometimes the diabolo i throw in does one cycle
and kinda flys off to the right a bit?

Also may it be my Diabolos, im using 2 Yoho ones, cant afford the good ones =(
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Sean on February 01, 2010, 01:10:20 PM
Stick position won't matter that much. Whatever is comfortable for you. Some people go with a more parallel position. Some people go with both or one stick pointing in to varying degrees. I think it would be rare to find people that point their sticks outwards. I'd think that would be a bit awkward.

Nothing wrong with Yohos, assuming they are the full 5 inch non-ratchet variety. Do they say "Jumbo" on them somewhere? In fact, I think they may be some of the best diabolos to learn with. They are large, heavy enough, stable, and their non-rubbery surface is great for learning corrections.

If you want some really specific advice, you could take a quick video. People are typically more than willing to offer advice.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Tipper on February 01, 2010, 01:16:32 PM
Yeah a video would help us help you. An advice: forget about your right hand to begin with. Learn to use your left hand only. Later when you get a steady shuffle you can start learning sync or async and speed-ups.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Ben. on February 01, 2010, 04:27:57 PM
Yeah a video would help us help you. An advice: forget about your right hand to begin with. Learn to use your left hand only. Later when you get a steady shuffle you can start learning sync or async and speed-ups.
I think this is bad advice. When I started, my shuffle was using far too much left hand and the shuffle would lose spin a lot, when I started using my right hand more then not only was the shuffle more solid, but it had much more spin.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: NiekG on February 01, 2010, 04:32:04 PM
I think this is bad advice. When I started, my shuffle was using far too much left hand and the shuffle would lose spin a lot, when I started using my right hand more then not only was the shuffle more solid, but it had much more spin.
Dito. You'll see tricks are almost impossible to do if you only use your left, because the diabs lose spin way too fast.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Tipper on February 01, 2010, 04:35:26 PM
Seemed to work fine with me. Of course, you couldn't just forget your right hand forever but the left hand is a bit more important when learning the shuffle. Remember, the guy is not capable of a controlled shuffle and practicing his lefthand throws will make it much more steady. When his left hand throws are a little more accurate he can decide to start using his right hand only or whatever he wants to. He is not yet at the point of learning a 2d trick people.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: NewfoundAddictions on February 01, 2010, 08:52:33 PM
Ill have to figure a way of getting movies onto the computer, then uploading on my 56k internet ='(.

Any ways, I throw in with my right hand, and shuffle clockwise.

I seem to be moving the left stick to the right when the diabolo is about to reach the stick,
maybe to help it over, maybe it doesn't need help?
The right stick makes anticlockwise circle when the diabolo is about to reach the left side string.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Richard on February 01, 2010, 09:24:56 PM
I think this is bad advice. When I started, my shuffle was using far too much left hand and the shuffle would lose spin a lot, when I started using my right hand more then not only was the shuffle more solid, but it had much more spin.

I've taught 2 diabolos for about 8 years to students and in the last 5 years I've found it's WAY better to start them off with only lifting the left hand.  Getting the timing correct is the main issue when people start learning 2 low.  Lifting the left is a lot easier for most people than driving the right.

Once they have the timing correct, then I introduce the right hand drive.  This seems to be the fastest way I can get someone to do 2 low really well.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: NewfoundAddictions on February 01, 2010, 09:38:59 PM
So you recon to keep the right hand stick still for a while, and lift (not move to the right) the left stick?
will this keep the diabolos spinning or gain speed? or is it purely for timing purposes?

Cheers heaps!
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Ben. on February 01, 2010, 09:47:35 PM
Use a mix of both, just don't forget the right hand whatever you do. I think that using the right hand when learning is essential though.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Sean on February 01, 2010, 10:10:57 PM
The right hand will add spin to the diabolos and stability to the pattern. I usually get people to concentrate on their left hand at the very beginning. Once they can start and keep it going for a bit I emphasize that they now need to start thinking about adding in their right hand. As the diabolo arrives on your right hand, try and follow it down a bit. The more you use your right hand the faster they will spin, the more stable your pattern will become, the less likely they will be to tilt off, and the easier they will be to correct.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: NewfoundAddictions on February 01, 2010, 10:24:11 PM
Ok cool guys, thanks for all the tips and comments, tip to put em all into practice!

Ill cya guys in a few hours ^_^
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Richard on February 02, 2010, 08:40:05 AM
Timing is the HARDEST thing for most people - this can only be achieved by heaps of practice
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: NewfoundAddictions on February 02, 2010, 09:23:22 PM
Well after a hard days work trying to shuffle, I managed quite a bit.

The 1st try I beat my record by just using the left hand,
as the day went I started to use the right hand.
Now I can -start- the shuffle bout 40%ish and I can keep it
going for a few rotations. Still uncontrolled but a lot better than it was.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Toddyupa on February 04, 2010, 08:36:30 AM
It's kinda wierd for me as I leanrt how to do about 10 shuffles consistently in about 10 minutes after seeing the wrap start. I didn't know it existed.

I wish the 3D shuffle was the same...
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Icebox on February 10, 2010, 02:30:07 AM
ok i've been really devoting myself to 2 diabolos for the past 3 days or so, and I can get the wrap start every time, and the shuffle isn't that hard, but from the shuffle the diabolos fall out of line (both tilt and axis) and when I try to re-wrap, the diabolo just coils and smashes into the right stick. Any tips on re-wrapping and from there what would be the best approach to try the far cup corrections? I'm right handed, and I can correct the near cup, but when the shuffle is going around I often touch the near cup by accident when I'm driving, so it would be really beneficial if someone could give me some tips on the far cup correction.

Cheers, thanks for taking the time to help.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: azndiablo on February 11, 2010, 02:29:31 AM
hey guys, i've been having a bit of trouble in the form of my shuffle dealigning itself. i can usually get the shuffle working pretty well with a good throw-in and maintain it for up to mayb 10 rounds, but what always happens (unless i can rewrap one of them and start a wrap acceleration) is that the shuffle slowly moves from a straight shuffle to a diagonal one, at which point maintaining stability is impossible for me. from an aerial point of view, it would look something like this:
                                   \
------------      ==>         \
                                      \
although it never gets that misaligned becuz i lose control of it way earlier :-|
as soon as i get my camera back, i'll try to post up a vid to help u guys visualize, but i was wondering if anyone had encountered this before and had any advice? it seems to work a bit better when i forget about using left-hand and rely solely on right-hand drives, but i've yet to master corrections, so im working on that with tips i've picked up from going through this thread. should i just forget about using the left hand and just stick w/ right hand for now? thanks in advanced for ur help guys!  :-D
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Richard on February 11, 2010, 07:31:34 AM
I've got some tips for Both Benc and ANZ,

Even though you can keep the shuffle going, quite often there are some fundamental issues which stuff it up.

These are most likely timing, angle of strings and timing, timing, timing.

Timing is something that you will just get through hours of practice.  don't fret too much about it.  Each time you lift at the wrong time, you are working 'against' the natural shuffle of the diabolo.  If you have REALLY good timing, you shouldn't really need to worry about correction.

Therefore, just keep up the practice for now - I wouldn't concentrate on doing corrections until you have your timing REALLY solid.

Then there's the angle of the string/sticks.  I always teach my pupils to point BOTH sticks inwards so that the sticks are pointing towards the diabolos. This can really help you ensure that you're lined up better and you look down directly onto the shuffle.

The shuffle should also be directly in front of you, not too much towards your left or right side.

If you're having problems with the wrap acceleration, you just need to practice practice practice.  the reason it is wrapping is because you haven't mastered the timing of it. Another thing you can try is using newer strings.  REALLY new strings will make the wrap acceleration REALLY hard.

Post a video if you are still struggling.  Just remember that the diabolos should correct themselves a certain amount if your timing is perfect.

Richard
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: finesse on February 11, 2010, 12:53:18 PM

Then there's the angle of the string/sticks.  I always teach my pupils to point BOTH sticks inwards so that the sticks are pointing towards the diabolos. This can really help you ensure that you're lined up better and you look down directly onto the shuffle.


This really helped me.
After i tried that, i started moving my sticks more and more straight, and after some time, the sticks were pointing straight. What alse helped me was 2diabolo.net
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Burnin on February 16, 2010, 01:46:52 AM
Hey guys! :D

Well, I'm new to the forums, but not new to Diabolo.. I've been doing it for about 4 or 5 years :) and today I learned how to do 2 Diabolos! yay for me! :D (yeah, i know, maybe i should've learned it before, but I'm only 14 :p)

So here's my problem, I've read the entire thread, tried everything, but when I try to correct a tilted or sideways diabolo I can't even touch it, it's too difficult! what should i do?

Many many thanks,

Stephan :)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Sean on February 16, 2010, 02:28:48 AM
Welcome! Glad you started to work on 2 diabolos.
today I learned how to do 2 Diabolos...
There lies your problem. Work at it daily for a couple weeks and I'll bet you'll get it working. If you've already read through this thread then there's not much more to be said!
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Richard on February 16, 2010, 08:05:10 AM
There lies your problem. Work at it daily for a couple weeks and I'll bet you'll get it working. If you've already read through this thread then there's not much more to be said!

I agree. You REALLY need to concentrate on keeping your shuffle going before thinking about correction.

As I mentioned earlier:

Timing is something that you will just get through hours of practice.  don't fret too much about it.  Each time you lift at the wrong time, you are working 'against' the natural shuffle of the diabolo.  If you have REALLY good timing, you shouldn't really need to worry about correction.

Correction requires VERY good control of the shuffle. You're changing the pattern of the shuffle so that you can tap the diabolos as they pass. Also, it helps if the diabolos are spinning faster.

Be happy with what you've got for now and concentrate on getting your timing working first.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Burnin on February 16, 2010, 11:47:16 AM
I agree. You REALLY need to concentrate on keeping your shuffle going before thinking about correction.

As I mentioned earlier:

Timing is something that you will just get through hours of practice.  don't fret too much about it.  Each time you lift at the wrong time, you are working 'against' the natural shuffle of the diabolo.  If you have REALLY good timing, you shouldn't really need to worry about correction.

Correction requires VERY good control of the shuffle. You're changing the pattern of the shuffle so that you can tap the diabolos as they pass. Also, it helps if the diabolos are spinning faster.

Be happy with what you've got for now and concentrate on getting your timing working first.

Hey guys :)

Thanks for the tips :) I'll definitely try to concentrate more on my shuffle before correcting :) I guess I rushed a bit haha

But how can I practice the shuffle if my shuffle only keeps going for about 10 to 14 rounds??

Thanks
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Burnin on February 20, 2010, 01:09:21 AM
erm.. helo?? any help o this? how do i practice my shuffle when diabolos fall?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Not Skilled Yet on February 20, 2010, 03:23:01 AM
You just practice until they don't fail.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Richard on February 21, 2010, 08:44:40 PM
Welcome to the painful/frustrating and beautifully fulfilling world of diabolo.

Sometimes you just need to put the hard yards in and no tips or advice will get you there quicker

e.g. 3 high :)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Benjy on February 21, 2010, 08:58:48 PM
I am having the same problem as many here seem to be having that the diabolos seem to fall out after dealigning. but i noticed that usually the one i started spinning fast before i throw/wrap start the second diabolo that seems to fall out less and so i think that practicing the shuffle by itself will improve itself. When you see the pros doing two diabolos i notice that when they start they rarely seem to do any corrections only after doing hard tricks that have seemingly gone a little off target. Personally i took two diabolos as starting fresh and tried to "forget" what i had been taught about 1 diabolos as when you first start one diabolo the diabolo constantly spins out of control goes forward backwards but now i feel i almost never have to make corrections because i can feel what the diabolos doing in a way and i think that the same will happen with 2 diabolos. Of course im not saying dont learn correction just remember that you have only just started and essentially new aspect of juggling.

(i may be completely wrong here if so ignore what just said hehe)

This is only spoken from 2 months of diabolo experience.

Ben
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Burnin on February 21, 2010, 11:18:24 PM
You just practice until they don't fail.

So I'd have to practice even though they fall, cause I don't know corrections yet and you guys told me to practice shuffle and then correction, but no corrections means diabolos fall D:

Thanks :D
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: liqinglei419 on April 18, 2010, 05:58:31 PM
Hi, I have been trying to shuffle 2 diabolos, but I seem to have some trouble. I can get a wrap starts done very well, but after i release the wrap, i manage to get 1-3 shuffles, then something goes wrong. I noticed the following occurs:

1. The diabolo that is not wrapped pops up, then misses the string.
2. After unwrapping the diabolo, it goes under the originally unwrapped one, goes up towards the right stick, then misses the string. Either that or the that diabolo will go up, but not go far enough towards the stick. The originally wrapped diabolo also tends to orbit the originally unwrapped one, and eventually crsashes from shrinking shuffles, etc.
3. The diabolos shuffle around, then the shuffle just shrinks and crashes. Sometimes after it crashes, I somehow manage to make it shuffle the opposite way.


I looked at a lot of videos on youtube on how to do the shuffle, and try to do what they say, and and see how they shuffle, but those keep happening. Does anyone have any advice on how to effectively shuffle the diabolos?  I use 2 bearing diabolos, is there any difference in style when it comes to shuffling bearing axle and fixed axle diabolos?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Richard on April 19, 2010, 10:45:08 AM
I highly recommend filming yourself and posting it - it will save any misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Mr.D on April 19, 2010, 01:41:17 PM
A video would help, but evidently all you need is more practice to get the rhythm and control. And yes, using bearings makes it all harder to learn because you have to time the pushes and throws even better. :)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: liqinglei419 on May 30, 2010, 03:11:39 AM
Sorry about the slow response, I found out the problem after switching to fixed axles, and lifting my left hand only, and then using the right hand to shuffle, and reduce the left hand movement to the point where the right hand is doing most of the work, and now I feel more comfortable doing tricks and shuffles with bearing diabolos  :o. Thanks anyways!  :)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Tipper on May 30, 2010, 09:56:15 AM
you dont have to use your right hand the most. I learnt the biggest part of my tricks with a left dominant shuffle. just shuffle the way it works for you.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Diamono on June 15, 2010, 11:12:44 AM
Ok this is maybe stupid question, but are shuffle hard when you can do it? Do you need attend to that thing? :w
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Tipper on June 15, 2010, 01:42:27 PM
Ok this is maybe stupid question, but are shuffle hard when you can do it? Do you need attend to that thing? :w

When you get the motion down, you can shuffle with your eyes closed easily.
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Diamono on June 15, 2010, 09:12:40 PM
ok, thanks.  :-D
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Diabolique on June 28, 2010, 10:23:47 PM
i have finally conquered the shuffle  :-D
now what ? :-|
im thinking , whats the best trick to start off trying / failing , badly ?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: dave from the grave on June 29, 2010, 10:05:46 PM
learn to control and manipulate the shuffle as much as possible. speed it up, slow it down, stop it completely! (this is really hard) you need the diabolo spinning at exactly the same speed. but most importantly learn how to control the tilt of each diabolo completely. so go from making them both tilt forward to both tilting backwards.

then learn accelerations.  lots of them.

work on tricks that keep the diabolos moving. so forget stop overs and stalls for now learn suns and mini columns and ping pong and best of all learn 2 high
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: seán_ on June 30, 2010, 02:21:07 AM
i have finally conquered the shuffle  :-D
now what ? :-|
im thinking , whats the best trick to start off trying / failing , badly ?

http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=378 (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=378)

Old thread but aimed at people who have got the shuffle bit sorted and are looking what to do next
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Diamono on August 07, 2010, 04:49:11 PM
Hi! Two weeks ago i got my second diabolo (Finesse). In first 2 diabolo training day's evening i managed the suffle going ~10 seconds. I can't do it longer becose second or both diabolo(s) tilt and they fall then. What i'm doing wrong becose my diabolos tilt that fast? I can't manage to correct or speed up any diabolo, becose when correcting and touching the diabolo i can't continue the suffle or diabolo goes more tilted. When speeding up i can't do the wrap becose second diabolo falls then when doing it. Or are i'm doing the suffle wrong? HELP, thanks.

(SFMBE.)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: seán_ on August 07, 2010, 05:41:48 PM
keep having a go at the shuffle, you need to get some kind of shuffle before you can realistically correct.

With one diabolo what makes a diabolo tilt? what might you be doing in 2d to make it tilt?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Mr.D on August 07, 2010, 07:18:06 PM
A diabolo will only tilt if something is forcing the axle to change its direction, i.e. the string or the sticks are rubbing the cup. When the diabolo has low speed it is more sensitive because forcing the axle to change direction consumes less energy, so if the diabolos have very little speed, the even just a push of the string on the cup at every 'push' or 'lift' can make it tilt.

:)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Zac on August 17, 2010, 05:17:44 AM
Please help me my 2 diabolo shuffle keeps failing! I have practiced for about 3 hours and don't feel I have made any progress. I can start the shuffle fine but it starts to get smaller and smaller. I am doing most of the work with my left hand by flicking it over onto the string and rolling it down. My shuffle seems very flat. does anyone have any tips for improving it? Thanks a bunch -Zac
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: finesse on August 18, 2010, 07:28:11 AM
Well, if you are going to learn something advanced in diabolo, its not sure that three hours will give you progress.
What sorted out my beginner shuffle was reading this entire thread, try every advice it had, and after three of four days, i finally got it, due to constant diaboloing xD
My tips is to have your right stick loose, and not move it, and only drive with your left hand at first.
Keep your stick tips facing each other ( if that makes any sense :-| )while learning it.
Try 1D around the leg, there is so many brilliant ways to learn this, but i would guess the most important one is to get enough speed on both diabolos.
And when you practice, remember big achievements can only be reached with hard work.
Good luck on your shuffle Zac   :-D
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: Zac on August 18, 2010, 10:50:24 PM
thanks a bunch finesse! I feel so close to nailing it!
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: finesse on August 19, 2010, 04:13:09 PM
You`re welcome :D
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: deo97 on June 27, 2011, 02:54:51 PM
hey guys ive been trying to learn 2 diabolos for a while now (but not solidly) and ive been doing the hover start.  whenever i wrap the second diabolo in and start spinning, it starts moving to a different angle. (not tilting of the cups, the whole angle of the diabolo) Ive tried puttting it in at a different angle then let it rotate into the right one, but it doesnt seem to work.  whenever i do get it to work, the cups then tilt.  i cant find any toturials on correcting, and im also really bad at it any way. :s somebody help or give me tips?

thanks
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: NicholasTo on June 27, 2011, 11:03:20 PM
Do you mean the diabolo you wrapped was turning clockwise (looking from the top)? Start it with the front cup facing to the left side and upwards a little bit and unwrap the diabolo when it is about at the correct angle. It is normal for the diabolo turning clokwise(and tilting) in hover start (I have this problem since I learnt 2D). Also, the hover start should not last for so long (It is hard to control when you have just started learning 2D), once you get the feeling and the diabolo is about the correct direction, you can unwrap it and have a try on the shuffle. These video may help you:
2 Diabolo tutorial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGZXpYA1eHA&feature=related#) I'm not the person in the video :P

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/tancle/4664193 (http://www.wretch.cc/blog/tancle/4664193) Also not in this video :P

http://www.diabolotricks.com/2Correction.htm (http://www.diabolotricks.com/2Correction.htm)
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: deo97 on June 28, 2011, 01:11:46 PM
thanks for that.  im slowly but surely getting the hang of it.  but if one is at a different angle to the other i find that really hard to fix  :-| .  anything on that that might help me?
Title: Re: Learning 2 diabolo! keeping the shuffle going
Post by: BruceM on June 29, 2011, 03:46:23 PM
thanks for that.  im slowly but surely getting the hang of it.  but if one is at a different angle to the other i find that really hard to fix  :-| .  anything on that that might help me?

what preciselly help do you need? i am not shure that i understood you, but i wanted to help you.
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