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Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: kragen on February 21, 2005, 11:27:59 AM
Ok, ive got the 2 diabolo shuffle, corrections are storming along since last week when i spent a load of time working on corrections at uni... But I cant do anything else!!! :P

Where do I go from here? I wouldnt mind learning how to accelerate, but it always goes badly (im trying to loop one diabolo and speed that one up with the other still on the string, then unwrap it and cary on - but it always ends up jumping all over the place and i loose control).

I've also been playing around with hyperloops, but mianly cus I dont know what else to try! I've also heard grinds arent too hard as far as 2d tricks go...
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: el_grimley on February 21, 2005, 11:48:21 AM
Suicides are fairly easy. They are pretty mcuh the first trick I learnt or single diabolo trapese and escape

Graham
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: seán_ on February 21, 2005, 02:17:08 PM
Well done Kragen.

A lot of people work through the selection of tricks on  Barnesys 2diabolo.net (http://www.2diabolo.net). I've heard Dave say something along a the lines of that it takes a length of time to get a shuffle going, a length time to keep it going with corrections, and length of time to start getting tricks.

So you have got an idea of whats coming ahead. :)

On the acceleration front one thing to consider is that you can get good speed up purely through shuffling, either by changing the shape of the shuffle so that the diabolos roll longer on the string or by speeding up the shuffle

Quote from: DaveP
As for the speed thing, as Dave says thats just how it was done back in the day, if you want 'em spinnin' faster, spin 'em faster!

Check Dave Ps action in a clip in  this thread (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=319)

A few threads on the forum you might want to look at are
Stopovers/trapeze (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=73)
 [Trick] Standard 2 diabolo sun  (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=76)
Backwraps every pass (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=53) Martijn has made a great video of backwrap variations
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Seán_
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Dave P on February 22, 2005, 03:52:29 PM
If you can stand the shouts of "old Schooooool!!"Try some stalls(thats sticking and arm/leg/head under the string to separate the diabolos for a moment before shuffling again)
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Eduardo on February 22, 2005, 04:33:55 PM
I got the hang of corrections like 2 weeks ago, and pulled that sun that cross the sticks, over the head pirout sun (I don't know how its called) and the sprinkler... I cannot do any stalls and only pulled a stick hook or stopover once each... I find it hard to throw one high enough to make a stall or go into orbits, when I try, either the other one falls of the string or one tilts a lot and makes it impossible to come back from the stall... any tips?
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: seán_ on February 22, 2005, 04:58:04 PM
Quote from: Eduardo
I got the hang of corrections like 2 weeks ago, and pulled that sun that cross the sticks, over the head pirout sun (I don't know how its called) and the sprinkler... I cannot do any stalls and only pulled a stick hook or stopover once each... I find it hard to throw one high enough to make a stall or go into orbits, when I try, either the other one falls of the string or one tilts a lot and makes it impossible to come back from the stall... any tips?


To pop a diabolo up for a stall move your left hand up and to the left. be aware of how  your hands are moving this can cause you to either throw a diabolo forwards or backwards or to move the catching hand out of line.

To enter the stall you do not need to throw a diabolo too high, in fact throwing it too high can cause trouble

When I do an armstall I like to get the string resting at the elbow joint
 and try and keep everything in line, this should stop the tilt. to exit pop the left diabolo up in the air and sun out of the armstall (again keeping it all in line). You might want to practice exiting the stall with one diabolo.

Seán
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Dave P on February 22, 2005, 05:04:29 PM
...and for the legs...... lift one diabolo slightly higher and more to the right, stick your leg up under the string, catch the diabolo on the right by bringing your hands wide and low, don't fall over at this point (or any other for that matter), lift the left hand and lower your leg to resume the shuffle.
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: kragen on February 22, 2005, 06:50:18 PM
woo - some nice suggestions there - gonna give the leg stall a try methinks.

I've had more success with the hyperloop too, or rather unlooping it again, but rather than try and explain on here I will find someone who knows how to do it at GV on monday to explain it to me.

As for acceleration - i wanted something to speed the diabolo up just as another "trick" if you like... plus im impatient :P

Thanks for the suggestions :)
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Dave P on February 23, 2005, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: kragen

As for acceleration - i wanted something to speed the diabolo up just as another "trick" if you like... plus im impatient :P


High throws are a great trick for speeding up diabolos.
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Ed on April 10, 2005, 03:31:57 PM
Quote from: Dave P
Quote from: kragen

As for acceleration - i wanted something to speed the diabolo up just as another "trick" if you like... plus im impatient :P


High throws are a great trick for speeding up diabolos.


Could someone please Explain How to go from 2 low to 2 high?

I did a search but it didn't come back with what i wanted.
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: seán_ on April 10, 2005, 05:04:52 PM
people do it several ways,
Pop one up a bit, get the other to height and then get the first one up to height as well.
Come out of a right hand back wrap or stopover launching that one high follow with the other.
most common ones I have seen.
HTH
Seán

Any more info you want on two High, probably the Two High (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=119) Thread a good place to start
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Ed on April 10, 2005, 05:41:12 PM
Thanks Seán i couldn't find a thread on that :? Oh well cheers.
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Alex on April 10, 2005, 08:32:02 PM
2d Chinese Whipping is a great way to get up a lot of speed quickly.  And once you get it, you'll feel much more in control.

You can see this thread (http://www.diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=286) for help, and a nice video by Sean.

Also, mini-columns is a nice trick that will increase your control (not very flashy, however).
Title: 2 diabolo
Post by: Marc on May 11, 2005, 07:00:27 PM
I have learnt how to do 2 diabolos and a few tricks like a sun, stalls and sprinkler but these are becoming too easy so I was wondering if anybody knew a website that teaches you 2 diabolo tricks or has anybody got any tips? Also what is your favourite tricks?
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: stix on May 11, 2005, 07:02:52 PM
I found that circusplanet.net is a really good site

any one got any more sites?
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: seán_ on May 11, 2005, 07:42:56 PM
Hi Marc, sounds like there are a few tricks you have missed out that would probably be a bit easier than double sprinklers.

Have a look through the tricks sticky and see if any of the tricks or videos there might help.

Barnesy has some good tutorials on his site www.2diabolo.net

There are lots of websites in the website sticky, loads of videos but not many tutorials. www.thediabolo.com has some interesting stuff to check out.

If you havent got Diabology thats probably your best bet.
the Donald Grant books are also a good resource.

(favourite trick, very hard to pick one. I like all the tricks I do otherwise I wouldn't do them)
Title: Using two diabolos
Post by: JoKo on October 30, 2005, 05:10:25 PM
Mod edit - this thread was merged into the current thread.

This may already have been answered befor many time by veterans of this site so bear with me.  But i am now at the stage where, although i can use two with a basic pattern i want to be doing tricks soon any suggestions how and where?
Title: Re: Using two diabolos
Post by: GbH on October 30, 2005, 05:42:26 PM
Quote from: JoKo
This may already have been answered befor many time by veterans of this site so bear with me.  But i am now at the stage where, although i can use two with a basic pattern i want to be doing tricks soon any suggestions how and where?


If you're in Southampton, you could try getting along to  http://www.hants.gov.uk/southamptonjuggling/.  I should think that we'll be able to help you out.

Guy
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Mithew on October 30, 2005, 06:36:59 PM
www.2diabolo.net is a good website.  some basic tricks for 2d you could try are: inside suns (this is probably the best to start out with), stick grind, stop-overs, leg orbits, arm orbits (thats a bit harder, but i didn't find it too challenging), and trapeze, but there are a lot more tricks for 2d.  JiBes site has a lot of good stuff for 2d, and you might be able to learn some of it.  Also: GET DIABOLOGY!!! it has awesome parts that teach you a bunch of beginer stuff for two diabolo's
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Stevey on October 30, 2005, 10:00:48 PM
Does a difference in size and weight between the diabolos matter much? Im thinking of getting a new diabolo and wondering if it would work well with my current one.
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: JoKo on October 30, 2005, 10:58:37 PM
Thanks i will check out the sites fore mentioned.  to answer above i am using two of the different weight and it doesnt seem to make much of a difference but that may be because there are quite similar is size and weight.  but it does come to be a pain when tricks are involed because you can only use the bigger of the two successfuly or with any intent to complete the manover.  So yeah thanks.
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Sean on October 31, 2005, 05:22:53 AM
Hey Joko, there are some great threads going beyond the 2 diabolo shuffle in the "tricks and video archive" sticky at the top of the forum.
http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=149

I attached your thread to the most relevant one.
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Chiok on October 31, 2005, 10:02:42 AM
Quote from: Stevey
Does a difference in size and weight between the diabolos matter much? Im thinking of getting a new diabolo and wondering if it would work well with my current one.
http://www.diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=733 Should answer your questions about that.  If you think about it, trying to do anything that's supposed to use two or more objects at once is tricky if they aren't the same, like chopsticks.

Chiok
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Pete on October 31, 2005, 10:17:20 AM
I followed the tricks on 2diabolo.net and learned them near enough in the order they are in on the site. I learnt to start with a throw start, then learnt to start with a wrap, then learnt the rocket start. THen i learned to accelerate (long before i learned to correct) using warp accleration just once at first, then every other pass, then every pass. And somewhere in between all of that  i did corrections. I didn't rally think about learning corrections, i didn't spend a day learning to correct i just did it gradually while llearning to accelerate. For quite some time i could only correct one way.
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: J_J777 on October 31, 2005, 11:44:06 AM
um... alex... I can do transfers, ping pong, double sprinkler and many other things but I can't do mini columns... They are just starting so mini columns may not be the best thing to try....  Try cross stick sun sprinkler, over leg orbits or anything really.
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: JoKo on November 01, 2005, 03:02:34 PM
Yeah i been looking through thoses sites above and the Videos how long have you guys been Diaboloing for, with two i mean?  ive been at about three weeks now, and havent got much to show for it yet.  But i have jumped forward with tips from thoses sites. I have been trying two high recently but they are always flying off in different directions. Is this because im throwing them too hard or just the way I start off, because im using a wraped start to begin with then moving straight into two high?
Title: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: garner on November 01, 2005, 05:55:00 PM
i would just say...mess around with one diabolo tricks but one two...if that makes any sense, eg j-whips, cats cradle, backside tricks etc
   
    thats all i ever did when i learnt 2 until i started watching other people and messing around with what they did
Title: poponeout 2 diabolos
Post by: karl e dangerous on December 06, 2007, 07:37:04 PM
could anyone tell me how to launch just 1 of the 2 diabs, when i try the both go oppisite ways and not up
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: seán_ on December 07, 2007, 05:34:21 PM
Move your non dom hand up and away from the shuffle.
Do some 1d orbits (and leg orbits) look how you change the paths.
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: gravity on May 28, 2008, 10:51:30 AM
yo hello peoplle iv got in2 2 2d about month ago iv got a feuw trix down like hyperspin vortex anrh stik traps but i carnt get betta at correcting 2 i understand the way it works i just carnt get it 2 work its driving me mad!! eny advice would b fat!!
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Duncan on May 28, 2008, 11:11:55 AM
yo hello peoplle iv got in2 2 2d about month ago iv got a feuw trix down like hyperspin vortex anrh stik traps but i carnt get betta at correcting 2 i understand the way it works i just carnt get it 2 work its driving me mad!! eny advice would b fat!!

First, see the PM I sent you.

Second, running 2d is a big step and you shouldn't expect everything to be perfect right away. It takes a fair amount of time to run 2d without problems.

Some people have some good advice in the starting and correcting 2d thread (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=9.0) and it is probably worth a look even if you think you know how it works. Someone will say something in there that helps 2d click.

-Duncan
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: barnesy on May 28, 2008, 12:00:24 PM
yo hello peoplle iv got in2 2 2d about month ago iv got a feuw trix down like hyperspin vortex anrh stik traps but i carnt get betta at correcting 2 i understand the way it works i just carnt get it 2 work its driving me mad!! eny advice would b fat!!

Woah.  Please try to use the spell check button, and try to type clearly.  Not everybody here has english as a first language, so it really doesn't help if you talk whatever kind of slang that was.  ANd have a look at the posting etiquette thread (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1480.0) too.  Thanks.
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Aaron Z on May 28, 2008, 01:41:50 PM
Here's a thought:

Why not make the reply-thingy automatically spell-check before submitting the reply?

So, someone writes a reply, the spell-check automatically reads through it, and if they made any spelling mistakes- a pop-up comes confirming that they want to submit their current reply before editing it...?

Not the best explanation, but I'm tired so there ya' go  :P
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Horho Ent on August 16, 2008, 03:05:12 PM
Any more info you want on two High, probably the Two High (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=119) Thread a good place to start

I'm probably missing the glaringly obvious here, but that link doesn't seem to work

is there a more recent two high thread? or another link?
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: NeoRufus on August 16, 2008, 04:27:50 PM
I'm probably missing the glaringly obvious here, but that link doesn't seem to work

is there a more recent two high thread? or another link?

You have to replace 'viewtopic.php?t=' with 'index.php?topic=' (both times without the quotes ofc), then it works.
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: zwiggelbig on August 16, 2008, 04:42:19 PM
First, see the PM I sent you.

Second, running 2d is a big step and you shouldn't expect everything to be perfect right away. It takes a fair amount of time to run 2d without problems.

Some people have some good advice in the starting and correcting 2d thread (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=9.0) and it is probably worth a look even if you think you know how it works. Someone will say something in there that helps 2d click.

-Duncan


I'm working on 2d for over a year now.. And I can't do far cup corrections yet nor any good tricks so.. Take your time! ( I'm probally taking to much thought  :( )
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Horho Ent on August 18, 2008, 01:22:38 PM
You have to replace 'viewtopic.php?t=' with 'index.php?topic=' (both times without the quotes ofc), then it works.


Cheers man

wasnt glaringly obvious, so i'm happy :D
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Aaron Z on August 18, 2008, 01:39:17 PM
I've only actually been PRACTICING 2D for a few days, that is, the time I spent trying to expand my skills. I'd been repeating the same stuff over for a while longer, but not trying to learn in that time.

Anyways, over the course of a couple 'days, I've nailed corrections, just today got good at sprinkler-suicides (All thanks to Sundia Carbons), learned suns in both directions, grinds, some slack-whips, sprinklers, wrap accelerations and developing Chinese accelerations.
Oh, and transfers.

It all isn't really that tough, it just takes determination and lack of frustration.
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: mike. on September 30, 2008, 12:01:36 AM
i got corrections and accelerations down pretty much but the only trick i can do constantly is a suicide!

whenever i exit a sprinkler one of my diabs has a left wrap, any suggestions
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Aaron Z on September 30, 2008, 07:43:53 AM
i got corrections and accelerations down pretty much but the only trick i can do constantly is a suicide!

whenever i exit a sprinkler one of my diabs has a left wrap, any suggestions

That left wrap is caused because you aren't unwrapping both diabolos from the sprinkler, just one. Either do a fan/transfer to get out of it, or work on exaggerating the unwrap motion to avoid the wrap entirely.
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Diabolo88 on September 30, 2008, 02:34:58 PM
Quote
i got corrections and accelerations down pretty much but the only trick i can do constantly is a suicide!

whenever i exit a sprinkler one of my diabs has a left wrap, any suggestions
Or perhaps if you can already suicide you can do a suicideexit. Aaron Z´s advice are good otherwise. Jump the first diabolo out of the exit over the one with the wrap and then unwrap it with your left. This is the most basic way to exit that probably.
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: mike. on October 11, 2008, 10:29:22 PM
thanks guys, i just got down both exits to almost 100% great advice. now what should i try... ???
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Terminator on March 07, 2009, 06:20:40 PM
how do you get into a leg stall?
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: seán_ on March 08, 2009, 02:22:03 AM
Leg stall? for me I get a nice slow shuffle, hold it at a reasonable height, pop one up and wide, bring the knee up so that the diabolo in the air will land after the knee makes contact with the string. I seem to recall that some people feel comfortable just bringing the leg forward in a goosestep but when I do it this way it doesn't feel as solid so I have to raise the knee..
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: mike. on March 08, 2009, 12:44:28 PM
that was a good explanation seán_. an easier way to get into it though to get the feeling at first would be;
1. right backwrap one diabolo
2. do a sticktrap on that side
3. put your knee in the middle
4. drop the sticktrap
5. re-right wrap the right diabolo
6. unwrap back into shuffle
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Terminator on April 04, 2009, 08:46:59 PM
YAY!
I have 2 diabolo corrections and accelerations down and I can consistently do a leg stall, hyperloop, and suns.  After I learned those tricks,  I kept trying new ones but to no avail.  I am wondering you guys could give me a few more tricks to work on at this level.
   Thanks.
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: mike. on April 05, 2009, 03:00:37 PM
http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=5410.0 (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=5410.0)

http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=380 (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=380)

http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=20 (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=20)

those should keep you occupied. :-D
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on April 05, 2009, 05:20:36 PM
that was a good explanation seán_. an easier way to get into it though to get the feeling at first would be;
1. right backwrap one diabolo
2. do a sticktrap on that side
3. put your knee in the middle
4. drop the sticktrap
5. re-right wrap the right diabolo
6. unwrap back into shuffle
When i learnt, i grinded one diabolo, pushed my leg into the string, then slipped the diabolo off the grind onto the string, then just took my leg away and shuffled.
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Cottie on May 02, 2009, 01:07:12 PM
I'm having trouble catching the diabolo in a wrap to do wrapped acceleration do you just do a normal throw in the shuffle or does it help to throw it a bit higher/lower left/right? I can do wrappped start so once I can learn to ctchit but also having trouble doing the similar trapeze stall on the dominant side
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: mykill on May 02, 2009, 10:33:38 PM
I'm having trouble catching the diabolo in a wrap to do wrapped acceleration do you just do a normal throw in the shuffle or does it help to throw it a bit higher/lower left/right? I can do wrappped start so once I can learn to ctchit but also having trouble doing the similar trapeze stall on the dominant side

i've been doing 2 for 6 months now and i still cant do a good trapeze stall all the time on my dominant side, don't worry keep practicing and it'll come.
when you wrap it you wanna pop it off the string instead of letting it just go over. try popping it multiple times until you can see when it kinda slows down at one spot in the air. thats what i did to learn it :)
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: Lahtibolo on November 08, 2010, 02:06:57 PM
Hey, i started to diabolo again after summer. i can now do 2 diabolos, but not very well, the shuffle is good, but i cant get new speed, u know what i mean?
i cant get wrap, and wrap and wrap and wrap, i only have to practice it?
Title: Re: 2 Diabolos: first tricks and things to consider
Post by: BruceM on June 23, 2011, 02:10:57 PM
about new speed,m try something more twisted in wrapping..
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