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Title: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on December 30, 2007, 11:47:26 PM
Alright so after a year, here is my video.
Part one is a bit long so if your in school or something, I suggest watching part two, which I cut to 3 min.
Enjoy!

Part 1: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WzwjDa2sOWQ

Part 2: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KBFFkMOOnwc

Thanks for watching.

Comments below are about the Trailer, until the comment in all bold.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: William on December 31, 2007, 12:01:38 AM
No way thats only a year! Gnarly stuff in that!
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Eric Moffett on December 31, 2007, 12:42:11 AM
No way thats only a year! Gnarly stuff in that!

he is obsessive compulsive on his practice, I believe it was snowing when he was learning vertax genocides, he practiced for 7 hours straight, in the snow, until he got them, if I remember the story right.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: nev on December 31, 2007, 01:00:21 AM
Right - I'm not even watching this - who the **** thought trailers were a good idea.  You either have a good film or you don't. Non of this "I've got this for now, & I'm sure I'll film better stuff for the final vid".  If you have it - show it, if not keep ****ing quiet until you do - no trailers.

& don't even try and use the editing excuse
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Diabolo Bro on December 31, 2007, 01:04:19 AM
Right - I'm not even watching this - who the **** thought trailers were a good idea.  You either have a good film or you don't. Non of this "I've got this for now, & I'm sure I'll film better stuff for the final vid".  If you have it - show it, if not keep ****ing quiet until you do - no trailers.

& don't even try and use the editing excuse
Fair Enough, but haven't yet heard the editing excuse? Just thought I'd have some fun with the editing.
he is obsessive compulsive on his practice, I believe it was snowing when he was learning vertax genocides, he practiced for 7 hours straight, in the snow, until he got them, if I remember the story right.
That would be correct, good job, I'd give you a plaque if I had one.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: looby on December 31, 2007, 01:54:56 AM
Right - I'm not even watching this - who the **** thought trailers were a good idea.  You either have a good film or you don't. Non of this "I've got this for now, & I'm sure I'll film better stuff for the final vid".  If you have it - show it, if not keep ****ing quiet until you do - no trailers.

& don't even try and use the editing excuse

Bang on. You aren't selling this to a paying customer so why bother "building up the tension of the arrival of your video". After watching the trailer, it hasn't given me any insight into what I should expect, just a few choppy frames that had to be crammed in so they'd suit the timing of the music.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Diabolo Bro on December 31, 2007, 02:06:01 AM
Bang on. You aren't selling this to a paying customer so why bother "building up the tension of the arrival of your video". After watching the trailer, it hasn't given me any insight into what I should expect, just a few choppy frames that had to be crammed in so they'd suit the timing of the music.
Alright, Alright point taken, Like I said I only make trailers for fun with editing, not for promotional reasons.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on December 31, 2007, 06:32:40 AM
Wow, I'm compulsive with practice, but not that compulsive.
Probably the most compulsive thing i've done related to juggling,(And had never done juggling before this) is in 2 weeks learn 3 and 4 ball juggling(As well as loads of tricks)
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Funty on December 31, 2007, 12:16:53 PM
Ha thats a mighty fine burning there :)

peace and love:)
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Marijn on December 31, 2007, 01:18:38 PM
Mad progress, but is this gonna be another 10minute video?

I think people would rather see a 3/4/5minute video of finetuned tricks instead of a video full of repetitive trick variations.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: TomerB on December 31, 2007, 07:47:10 PM
You progress is so awesome !!!

Well done. Waiting for the full vid  ;)
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Beni on January 01, 2008, 11:46:37 AM
I think people would rather see a 3/4/5minute video of finetuned tricks instead of a video full of repetitive trick variations.

What he said, or you could just release shorter videos more frequently.

Beni
(Happy New Year!)
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 01, 2008, 01:27:50 PM
Mad progress, but is this gonna be another 10minute video?

I think people would rather see a 3/4/5minute video of finetuned tricks instead of a video full of repetitive trick variations.
Yeah, I personally don't like watching lengthy videos, I try to keep it short.
What he said, or you could just release shorter videos more frequently.
(Happy New Year!)
I could videos more frequently but I usually release videos every month, I'm not sure how close to go.
Happy New Year as well.


I'll change the title of the thread and bump it when the video is finished.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Matt? on January 02, 2008, 10:09:21 PM
nice to see some original stuff there. cough.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Sharpes on January 03, 2008, 01:04:34 PM
maybe every month is too much. and halloween was like 20 minutes. maybe one every 3-4 months?
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: LaNgErZ on January 03, 2008, 05:25:10 PM
i think your an attention seeker

lz
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Jem on January 03, 2008, 06:27:18 PM
Looking forward to seeing the full vid...

Trailor comments acknowledged with interest.....

....perhaps if you're going to put a trailer in then use the same trailor thread for the main vid too?!  ::)

Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: pippy on January 03, 2008, 10:53:32 PM
Quote
I think people would rather see a 3/4/5minute video of finetuned tricks instead of a video full of repetitive trick variations.

I think this is an interesting point for everyone to take notice of.  I've rarely seen a diabolo video that lasts even 6 minutes that truly interests and engages me throughout (no i haven't seen diabology yet).  My main reasoning is that people tend to repeat a trick excessively with minor variations and as much as I respect their superior skill, would it not be better to use these variations in new videos?  I would say that these long videos are kind of like watching all three Lord of the Rings movies in a row after already knowing what happens. Excessively long, boringly action packed as you already know what the actions are alas, once or twice, you notice something new.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 04, 2008, 02:56:49 AM
maybe every month is too much. and halloween was like 20 minutes. maybe one every 3-4 months?
Yeah that would probably be a better time frame. I used to make videos a year ago that were spaced like that, but then my trick capacity increased and I found it hard to simply make a video that was short, as I was forced to eliminate tricks, have to chose between new creaive tricks and incredibly difficult tricks has always been hard. I'm hoping to keep this one shorter.
i think your an attention seeker
Forward... :-\ Okay ;)
....perhaps if you're going to put a trailer in then use the same trailor thread for the main vid too?!  ::)
Yep old rules shouldn't go unnoticed.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Beni on January 04, 2008, 04:39:37 PM
Be careful there Pippy, I don't know how advanced you are at diabolo but when I was first starting diabolo Antonin and Eric's "Of Baguettes and Diabolos" was nothing compared to what I see in it now — it was all way above my head. The "same trick with little variations" may seem silly now, but when you come to learn and appreciate the trick you'll understand why it was put in the video.
However, you have a point; a lot of videos have tricks everyone has seen a million times (VERTAX ****ING GENOCIDES >:() which can be really annoying and repetitive, sort of like listening to the entire discography of Trivium.

Beni
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: mofro on January 04, 2008, 06:05:38 PM
i agree with nev. no need for trailers just spoils all the best bits.

mofro
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: pippy on January 04, 2008, 06:28:13 PM
Beni I'm not really advanced at all, but what I mean is that  i see these arm combos and to be honest, the motion is repeated unless you watch very very very carefully, whilst if I'm watching some of Ryo Yabe's videos, his tricks are difinitively different and his various videos are different and tend to keep me engaged.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 04, 2008, 10:50:33 PM
However, you have a point; a lot of videos have tricks everyone has seen a million times (VERTAX ****ING GENOCIDES >:()
tell me about it
i see these arm combos and to be honest, the motion is repeated unless you watch very very very carefully, whilst if I'm watching some of Ryo Yabe's videos, his tricks are difinitively different and his various videos are different and tend to keep me engaged.
I don't think there should be that much worry that tricks are minor variations, most of the tricks are ver different, I haven't pointed focus to only one area of diabolo yet.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Beni on January 04, 2008, 11:39:44 PM
Well pippy, when you come to learn arm combos (which are fun, learn them :)) maybe you'll be grateful that you have some material to work with.
And Ryo Yabe is a performer, he's an expert in keeping you as an audience entertained.
Is diabolo bro having a bad quote day?

Beni
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: pippy on January 05, 2008, 03:35:03 AM
yeh im mishing into arm combos and then trying other tricks at the same time   ::)  I think I'll grow an appreciation over time, but still I think a shorter video with a wider range of tricks is better than all of of these longer ones which keep being released.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: William on January 05, 2008, 03:56:13 AM
Off topic.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: diggypimp on January 08, 2008, 01:07:38 PM
 This video lacks the basic fundamentals that makes a good trailor "cool". I reccomend better tricks and more 3d stuff, because this quite frankly does not make the "cut" :'(
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: mofro on January 08, 2008, 03:43:49 PM
This video lacks the basic fundamentals that makes a good trailor "cool". I reccomend better tricks and more 3d stuff, because this quite frankly does not make the "cut" :'(


c'mon dude it i dont agree with trailers, but u cant say that it needed 3d to make it "cool" next you'll be saying that it needed more siteswaps!!!

mofro.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 08, 2008, 06:33:00 PM
c'mon dude it i dont agree with trailers, but u cant say that it needed 3d to make it "cool" next you'll be saying that it needed more siteswaps!
Thats one of my friends, He doesn't know what siteswap means, so he's rolling on the ground in a state of confusion.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: diggypimp on January 08, 2008, 11:15:27 PM
Thats one of my friends,

highly debateable, but whatever makes you happy.

 
He doesn't know what siteswap means,

i know what a sideswap is! I've seen Al of diabolo bros do a 123-it can be done!

he's rolling on the ground in a state of confusion.

i was looking for a penny, it was very shiny... :P

Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 08, 2008, 11:28:13 PM
highly debateable, but whatever makes you happy.

 
i know what a sideswap is! I've seen Al of diabolo bros do a 123-it can be done!

i was looking for a penny, it was very shiny... :P


Okay, are you finished? ::)
i know what a sideswap is!
Wow, diabolo ignorance thread any1. (you spelled siteswap wrong)


BTW, I request keeping this thread closed until the video comes out.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: diggypimp on January 08, 2008, 11:37:48 PM
ignorance is bliss, but i was talking about a sideswap------poker and ya im finished
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Beni on January 09, 2008, 05:21:51 PM
BTW aren't you Al, diabolo bro?
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 09, 2008, 09:38:54 PM
BTW aren't you Al, diabolo bro?
Yes, diggypimp (<okay how stupid is that?) apparently likes to talk in the third person. I showed him dsss after his state of confusion, and he tried typing in words. hair, big, and a**, is all he could get thats valid.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: garner on January 09, 2008, 10:36:05 PM
there are worse words that work!
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: William on January 10, 2008, 12:18:02 AM
I feel a competition. Longest/funniest word that is valid in DSSS
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: diggypimp on January 11, 2008, 09:45:43 PM
i got fa*fu* to work (t,x)
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Duncan on January 11, 2008, 10:54:51 PM
All right - end of off topic stuff. Get back to talking about the video.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: diggypimp on January 15, 2008, 07:37:57 PM
i think al of diabolo bros is going to attempt a 511into a feed the fan :-)
 
Title: Re: SnowBound
Post by: Niclas on January 20, 2008, 07:34:22 AM
The video is here: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WzwjDa2sOWQ
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: William on January 20, 2008, 08:46:38 AM
Maybe DiaboloBros actually wanted to post that himself? You don't have to post about every video you see on youtube.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Niclas on January 20, 2008, 09:06:40 AM
Maybe DiaboloBros actually wanted to post that himself? You don't have to post about every video you see on youtube.
Okey, i am sorry.
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Beni on January 20, 2008, 09:57:51 AM
So you do have really long string :).
Nice job on the slacks and the inventive 2d stuff. I would say next time more 1d and no more themed sh*t. The music really grated on my nerves, especially since the christmas season is over so I shouldn't have to endure it any more.
Other than that, it was a really nice watch.

Beni
(Looking forward to part 2)
Title: Re: SnowBound Trailer
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 20, 2008, 01:03:14 PM
Okay, The video Is here the following comments are about it not the trailer.

BTW, I edited this before christmas, so you may not like the music Beni. ::)

Also, I'm 5 hours behind So I just woke up, and was unable to post.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Squiggle on January 20, 2008, 02:34:52 PM
I only watched half (Slow internet..to lazy to wait it out)

Some nice things, Like the tripple underwhip slack thing. (Don't know names :D)

But seemed like a fair few "common" tricks, That sorta brang it down.

It'd be like..  One average trick One average trick A good Trick etc

Take the Average tricks out and yeh..:P   



10 minutes is to long imo, Only few can make a video that long and keep it interesting.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Niclas on January 20, 2008, 02:40:59 PM
Actually i did'nt think it was to long, i like the video.
I liked number 1 most.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on January 20, 2008, 03:11:24 PM
Awesome stuff, feed the fan, feed the sun 2-3, great stuff.
I have till May till my years up, but im nowhere close to your level.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Ben. on January 20, 2008, 03:23:15 PM
well, i thought the video had some excellent tricks in, there is no denying it. however i agree with jake that there was a mix up between average tricks and good tricks which could have been taken out and i didn't like the juggling.

one thing though, you say in the video description box that you have had a month practicing 3d yet in one of your videos at least 8 months back you were practicing 3 low, possible exaggeration there? 
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 20, 2008, 05:12:50 PM
one thing though, you say in the video description box that you have had a month practicing 3d yet in one of your videos at least 8 months back you were practicing 3 low, possible exaggeration there? 
A month after 5/5 qualifys. I attempted, (and failed) three low many times before, but just because you can wrap one doesn't mean you can shuffle. Consistant qualifies does.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: tommi on January 20, 2008, 05:20:04 PM
..just because you can wrap one doesn't mean you can shuffle. Consistant qualifies does.

Does it?
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 20, 2008, 05:23:53 PM
Does it?
Does for me... in my opion if you can qualify every time that means you can do 3low. Answer these:

Have you ever tried 3low?

Can you do 3low?

Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Duncan on January 20, 2008, 05:28:52 PM
Does for me... in my opion if you can qualify every time that means you can do 3low.

So when I have a bad run of 3 that crashes at the beginning, despite having a previous run of 100 catches, I can't do 3 by your logic.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Ben. on January 20, 2008, 05:50:11 PM
the only reason i asked was because i thought it meant you have only practiced for a month which would be blatant lying and showing off. fortunately this was not the case and it meant that you have been able to shuffle three for a month, so can we just leave this now and get back on topic?
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: robbie322 on January 20, 2008, 05:53:37 PM
some insane skill in that vid, liked the 1d slack whip, the juggling was a bit shaky tho.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: garner on January 20, 2008, 06:26:30 PM
i'm not going to deny that theres skill there but it was so dull. i also saw alot of names of other people on the screen as you were taking their tricks (not the issue) but there wasn't a name with the vertax umbrella or with arjans behind the back throws.

garner
(style is paramount)
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 20, 2008, 06:50:52 PM
I'm not going to deny that theres skill there but it was so dull. i also saw a lot of names of other people on the screen as you were taking their tricks (not the issue) but there wasn't a name with the vertax umbrella or with arjans behind the back throws.

garner
(style is paramount)
I was unsure who the original creator of those tricks were, so I left those blank. I tried to credit as many people as I could.
So when I have a bad run of 3 that crashes at the beginning, despite having a previous run of 100 catches, I can't do 3 by your logic.
I tried to take what I knew to be rotten luck out of the equation.

About juggling: My juggling essentially sucks. I could kind of manage with a simple 3 ball cascade in April, but not really. I learned manly in late June. (28,29,30)
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: garner on January 20, 2008, 07:00:05 PM
but you've seen the tricks done before...yea cheers. i'm out.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Marijn on January 20, 2008, 07:06:19 PM
I'm kinda confused wether this is a ''look what I've learned'' video or a ''real'' diabolo video.

If it is the first --> well done!
If it is the second --> keep the real nice tricks, throw away the other 80% of the tricks and make a 4 minute mind blowing video.

Other than that, mad progress.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Sharpes on January 20, 2008, 07:59:08 PM
I don't have time....

like I've said before, I think that you should only put in tricks that are new or rarely done, and make a shorter video.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Eric Moffett on January 20, 2008, 08:08:36 PM
Yes I agree with Mr. Sax, and all this discussion leads me to believe that I should make my first year video in two parts a "Look what I learned" and a "Real Video" to avoid much of this debate and such

But NICE PROGRESS, and work on your style
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: tommi on January 20, 2008, 08:48:43 PM
Can you do 3low?

Every time I tried it today, I qualified it ::) But to be serious, I wouldn't perform it on stage..
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: TomerB on January 20, 2008, 09:06:09 PM
Mad progress.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 20, 2008, 10:12:43 PM
Mad progress.
Thanks
I'm kinda confused wether this is a ''look what I've learned'' video or a ''real'' diabolo video.

If it is the first --> well done!
If it is the second --> keep the real nice tricks, throw away the other 80% of the tricks and make a 4 minute mind blowing video.

Other than that, mad progress.
I'm gonna say 50?50 half are standard cliche tricks that simply represent progress, and the other half are less common inovative tricks, like double trash's web, 2d eiffel tower, quintuple overwhip, stuff like that.
Every time I tried it today, I qualified it ::) But to be serious, I wouldn't perform it on stage..
Then 15-30 days after where you are now is when those tricks were filmed.
But NICE PROGRESS, and work on your style
My style only shines after learning a trick, especially in performances, most of these are first time lands, but I can add much style to previously learned tricks, and probably these in another month.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: William on January 21, 2008, 12:21:21 AM
Well yes style. You seem to be a trick monkey.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 21, 2008, 01:18:58 AM
Well yes style. You seem to be a trick monkey.
Juggling monkey as Jason Garfield would say. :D
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: LaNgErZ on January 21, 2008, 09:58:18 AM
9 minutes! seriously? you could cut the crap and leave it at 2 easily, good trickery but get it smooth before putting it on film, QUALITY NOT QUANTITY, your 2d eiffell wasn't a true eiffell either just to split hairs,

lz

doesn't approve of using other peoples tricks in vids
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: aaro on January 21, 2008, 06:52:05 PM
9 minutes! seriously? you could cut the crap and leave it at 2 easily, good trickery but get it smooth before putting it on film, QUALITY NOT QUANTITY, your 2d eiffell wasn't a true eiffell either just to split hairs,

lz

doesn't approve of using other peoples tricks in vids

Few days ago i heard a wushu teacher say that kunfu got worse and worse because teachers did not teach the best techniques for the next generations, in fear that their pupils get better than their teacher. We don't want that to happen for diabolo now do we?
No one owns a trick, someone might own a style or a combo.
Chill.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: robbie322 on January 21, 2008, 07:34:58 PM
Few days ago i heard a wushu teacher say that kunfu got worse and worse because teachers did not teach the best techniques for the next generations, in fear that their pupils get better than their teacher. We don't want that to happen for diabolo now do we?
No one owns a trick, someone might own a style or a combo.
Chill.

amen, thing of all the tricks that have been taken from diabology by almost every diabolist who has watched the vid. diabolo couldnt possibly progress if we didnt use other people tricks, this doesnt mean originality is lost.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 21, 2008, 07:46:54 PM
9 minutes! seriously? you could cut the crap and leave it at 2 easily, good trickery but get it smooth before putting it on film, QUALITY NOT QUANTITY, your 2d Eiffel wasn't a true eiffell either just to split hairs,
lz
doesn't approve of using other peoples tricks in vids
You're right I even think this video was way too long, next one I'll keep short. Correct, the Eiffel had a twist at the bottom if it needs to be open, Didn't know, but I guess you could say it was a variation. There are all kinds of variations that don't involve such parameters.  Why split hairs?...pointless. ::)

Few days ago i heard a wushu teacher say that kunfu got worse and worse because teachers did not teach the best techniques for the next generations, in fear that their pupils get better than their teacher. We don't want that to happen for diabolo now do we?
No one owns a trick, someone might own a style or a combo.
Chill.
Well put, agree 100%, BTW I study wushu.....hmmm. :D
your a little copy cat. there was not one trick in there that i have not seen before, or in some variation.
Where have you seen a reverse 360, or 720 excalibur duicide before, (or in some variation.) I think that is a tremendous exaggeration.
Your video was just frame after frame after frame of tricks with no interesting angles or locations.
What part of the title Snowbound do you not understand.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on January 21, 2008, 08:06:52 PM
Trick stealing?
I don't really think this is an issue.
Tricks are meant to be used, it doesnt matter who made them.
If you care about trick "Stealing" then don't show your tricks.
If someone can do it, make a nice combo, or simply make it look nice, i think doing whatever trick you want is fine.
And further on, if you care about trick stealing, you can credit every basic trick, and many advanced ones to someone in history.
Yeah.
Also, the excalibur duicide looks great, I don't mind the spinning, the concept is impressive, and so is the trick.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 21, 2008, 08:17:30 PM
Most of the video was inside. snowbound makes it sound like you are on a journey in search of snow? is that what you were trying to get across?
Lol  :D. Snowbound would be reffering to me not being able to venture to venture outside due to the conditions. Snowbound-adjective-confined or shut in by heavy snow.
I don't, in all of your videos you have put in too many Excalibur duicide. The whole concept of Excalibur duicides, it seems to me, has been taken over by you, whereas it was infact Eric and Antonin who first (correct me if I'm wrong here) pulled the trick off. Another point is that the trick isn't even clean. People do not want to see you spinning in circles trying to recover. Personally id much rather see you fail, and give the impression that you were trying to say 'well, here is someting that could be possible'.
I'm not sure it was diabology who pulled it off, I think it was devoloped in early '06. I think the 720 was pretty clean, in most I'm randomly running, then spinning for ages after, in that I at least had control ???
I was trying to help, if you cant take criticism, don't make, or should i say don't post, diabolo videos.
Alright, I see you were trying to help, and I apologize. I suppose it was this
your a little copy cat.
that threw me. ::)

Thanks to all comments.

-Diabolo Bro
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Marijn on January 21, 2008, 08:33:22 PM
Using tricks of other isn't really a big deal, but at least try to fit them into a nice little combo. All you do is learning trick after trick after trick after trick without style,flow and combo's. Everybody must make his own decisions of course, I don't mind if you decide to do so, but your video's are just plain boring.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: LaNgErZ on January 21, 2008, 08:59:31 PM
i not argueing again about trick stealing so i'll keep it simple, in my eyes for a vid to be good it needs to have unseen material throughout, dont you think someone else's name coming up on the screen in your vid is a little degarading? i just dont see the point thats all. your good enough to come up with your own stuff so do it. obviosly learn other peoples tricks we all do, just dont use them in your vid.

lz

whatever i'm probably gonna get bitched at now, dont care old debate found here
http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=3160.0
dont care dont care dont care
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Beni on January 21, 2008, 09:03:13 PM
Matt, you're being ridiculous.
Complaining that AL is "taking over" vertax duicides is just you being jealous — I have never seen anything else close to a 720 vertax duicide. The fact that it takes him some time to recover is completely understandable.
I saw lots of originality, and I actually quite enjoyed the close up filming and the style of the video. It made a single flat throw with 3 clubs look really cool (for example).
And your criticism about location? It's winter, what do you expect?! I guess I'll just quit thinking about filming some of my stuff 'cause it would be filmed inside. Ah well, better no video then, God forbid, a video INSIDE.
Al has already responded and thought about the constructive criticism — you coming and shoveling sh*t on everything aint productive.
@ langerz and Al: I tend to call eiffel towers with twists eiffels, and open eiffels 'pure' or 'complete' eiffels. I was gonna film a basic tutorial outlining these ideas, but alas; I can't as it would be filmed inside.

Beni

EDIT: Watched the video again, there was lots of original stuff.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 21, 2008, 09:29:04 PM
Well put Beni.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 21, 2008, 11:37:27 PM
Oh no, here comes Beni to rain on my parade. sob.
lol :D
Its winter, yes, but i would beg to argue that a lot of places look much more idyllic in winter and are great for filming in. Another solution would be to wait to film, then film it when the weather gets better.
*checks thermometer*.....-7 yeah I'm going outside, snow makes your string slippery and diabolos wobble like crazy, and gloves limit abilities for handstick transfers. Ice on the ground make spins near impossible as well. As for filming when its over, I think diaboloing should live on despite being snowbound, and despite the locations being inside, who cares there are many creative tricks in here, and it would be a shame just to let them rot around until The snow melts, which last year, didn't happen until mid-April.
I never said That it was a bad trick, but perhaps he could have only included that scene of vertax duicides. And no Beni, I am not jealous. I haven't done vertax for ages, it isn't my thing, i just would like to see them credited to the creators.
Honestly, I agree, but with something archetypal, I mean, do I have to trace every BIG variation on a standard trick to the creator? J-whips, Vertax, the person who invented the stopover? I'll credit for specific tricks but an extreme variation on something is mine, do you credit the person who first did 2d (intraceable name) everytime you do a trick in a video? Only if you directly use the trick they did.
Me shoveling sh*t on everything. Very mature Beni. Am i not allowed to express my opinion.
I agree that Beni's choice of words didn't help, and compromised the meaning of the phrase, But I agree with what its saying Matt, you're allowed to express your opinion, but its the words that you use that make what you say seem less credible. If you don't believe that, take Beni's phrase as an example. Though the root of what he said was sensible, his choice of words conveyed it disrespectfully.

-Diabolo Bro
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: J_J777 on January 22, 2008, 01:31:48 AM
I think there was some nice stuff.  My main issue is that your tricks aren't clean.  It looks like you barely got it especially on the 3 diabolo stuff.  Also there is some repetitive stuff in there like how you show a 3 diabolo shuffle then you show tricks later or a 2 diabolo mini-g and a 2 diabolo double mini-g, and the leg ping pong.  They were cool but show the best version and not the not as good ones because this video is extremely long.  Nice skills for a year, you learn alot faster than I do.  I envy that along with your vertax skills w/ the duicide and the really cool integral. 

Josh
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: William on January 22, 2008, 05:11:35 AM
Lol  :D. Snowbound would be reffering to me not being able to venture to venture outside due to the conditions. Snowbound-adjective-confined or shut in by heavy snow.

Yet you were outside in the video? Little logic please. (ASDF)

Ice on the ground make spins near impossible as well.
Never stopped Sharpes.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 22, 2008, 11:57:12 AM
I am so sorry I forgot to put this in the video. I credit M4U with the integral. I knew I forgot something. :'(

Yet you were outside in the video? Little logic please. (ASDF)
Those days it wasn't particularly cold, 10, maybe eleven degrees farenhieght. But it was hell.
Never stopped Sharpes.
Respect to them, mount Washington is cold as sh*t, on the ice, I've found at least, that the snow factor isn't an issue. They found away to use the ice as an advantage, but I only saw a few tricks not involving it. I'm guessing that if you're trying to land 6420, You wouldn't want to try it on glare ice.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Dan on January 22, 2008, 04:18:01 PM
I liked the video alot.  Yes as everyone before has said its a tad long and repetitive but still some pretty nice skills in there.  I agree with Josh on this point that you should practise making your tricks cleaner then film rather than film as soon as you've pulled it off.  Ye sure filming the trick whilst only just making it satisfies a revolutionary VoTW but a complete diabolo video needs to have refined and flowing tricks. 

Off-topic:  What the hell has happened to this forum??  All the bitching, unwanted criticism and general hatred towards each other or others tricks.  We all diabolo to have fun, some make money others do it for a hobby but the general reason to do it is to have fun!  If that means pissing on other peoples campfires when they believe they've achieved something or wanted to show something to the rest of the diabolo community then you can expect no respect back towards you.  Constructive criticism is necessary for the creators to make their videos/skill/style better but theres a fine line between being constructive and just being over critical.  The forum in general has gone downhill over the past year or so and i could sift through the majority of comments and regard them as insignificant to the topic due to the nature of the content.  Rather see an option to allow or not allow comments on video threads or similarly 1 post per user in a video thread etc.

Anyway enjoyed the video in general and insane progress for only a year!


Dan
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Beni on January 22, 2008, 06:18:25 PM
I was expressing an opinion.
So was I. That makes that argument null and void; in almost any case. Please don't use it again.

For such a long video there was a deffinate lack of variation in location.
Well for some of us it isn't easy to film outside. The film's about diabolo, not artistic photography. We're all a little spoilt by beautiful videos like Busk's.

As for the vertax duicides
They were some of the nicest vertax tricks I have seen. Stop claiming that Al's vertax duicides aren't his own.  And he is not overusing them in the slightest, that's like saying langerz overuses slack suicides or Sharpes overuse vertax passing.

Me shoveling sh*t on everything. Very mature Beni. Am i not allowed to express my opinion.
It is a reference to an eminem song. It is a subtle use of aliteration and fits quite nicely with my rant :). Maybe also, it communicates to you on your level. Maybe not. You're just jealous you didn't think to reference something cool like that. Yes, I am being patronising. :).
Anyway, stop sh*tpicking (I know I'm a little guilty of this myself).

You do not have to be the good Samaritan for everyone. relax.
Good Samaritan? I wish...

Dan, you have a point, but look at it this way: put 100 and chances are some will fight. Actually, this forum is (compared to others I have seen) very clean and friendly — the mods do an extremely good job.

Beni

P.S. If it's awesome, it's in the video — clean or not. That's my belief :).

Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: TomerB on January 22, 2008, 06:32:27 PM
I don't get it. Is it so hard to say something good about a video ?

The comments here just make me sick, i can't believe how hard it became to post a good comment about a video, it wasn't so bad as you describe it.

I've seen a couple of videos with four diabolo high, but never saw Tony complaining. I can't see the reason that Al couldn't use the Excalibur Integral. As long as the trick isn't copyrighted, everybody can use it on their videos.

Some of the people here are just horrible ( aka " Ass Suckers " ), there is no reason giving somebody those disguisting comments, that kind of comments will lead people to be afraid if your comments and not making videos.

Al - your video is great. Keep making such videos and don't pay attention to the donkeyholes in here.

Good luck, Tomer.

Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Jussi on January 22, 2008, 07:02:32 PM
that is nice video. and im sure your next is even better! (after snow has melted) :)
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: robbie322 on January 22, 2008, 08:18:18 PM
the hostility and bitchiness is a joke and it's well out of order. enough i say.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: -Leo- on January 22, 2008, 08:36:50 PM
I haven't posted a comment due to all the bitching, but I might aswell shove my thoughts into the mix aswell.

That video was frustrating more than anything. You definately have the ability to make a good video, but you're filming tricks that aren't solid, original or nice to look at. By my reckoning you've thought of a theme to make a video and tried to stick every trick you have remotely solid into it while there was still snow around.

It's a fine (maybe even good) 'look what I can do after a year' video, but if you'd have given it more thought and time it could have been a good 'diabolo video.'

Don't take this the wrong way either because you've made very good progress trick-wise, but you have to realise that there's more than just learning tricks to be a good diaboloer and making a good video. An example of this is 'Of Baguettes and Diabolos' -when this was released not only were the tricks very hard, but they were also creative, innovative and pleasing on the eye.

I'm not saying to rip-off that Antonin and Eric, but a lot of things can be taken from that vid. When you get a spare 10 minutes watch it and compare it to yours, their vid is full of combos. Over their whole 10 minute video they probably only have 3 or 4 cuts that were not combos, just single tricks whereas yours is completely the opposite. It's things like these that will make the video memorable, not just "3-low after a year, that's pretty good." Hopefully you can see where I'm coming from with this and try a different approach with your next video.

I'm not just having a go at you, your progress is to be commended, but given another year you could blow that video out of the water. I used to think diabolo is just about learning as many tricks as possible. I soon realised that it's a lot more than that and that is what makes it interesting.

Hopefully you understand what I'm saying, although it might seem a bit harsh you could probably look back on some of this critisism in a years time and think "some of the stuff that was said was useful afterall."

Look forward to seeing what you do with your next video (don't rush it for God's sake!!),

-Leo

BTW: sorry for the overly long post, but I felt I needed to justify some of what I said!
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Matt? on January 22, 2008, 09:10:08 PM
All im going to say is sorry for not being more tactfull with my words. im out.

Better?
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 22, 2008, 09:18:33 PM
Some of the people here are just horrible ( aka " A** Suckers " ), there is no reason giving somebody those disguisting comments, that kind of comments will lead people to be afraid if your comments and not making videos.

Al - your video is great. Keep making such videos and don't pay attention to the a**holes in here.

Good luck, Tomer.
Thanks Tomer, bang on.
that is nice video. and im sure your next is even better! (after snow has melted) :)
Thanks, your advice helped m on that sun, much appreachiated.
I'm not just having a go at you, your progress is to be commended, but given another year you could blow that video out of the water. I used to think diabolo is just about learning as many tricks as possible. I soon realised that it's a lot more than that and that is what makes it interesting.

Hopefully you understand what I'm saying, although it might seem a bit harsh you could probably look back on some of this critisism in a years time and think "some of the stuff that was said was useful afterall."
Evwn now I don't "shun critisism" I'm open to the ideas and opinions of others around my videos, and thank you for expressing yours, I will take all comments from this thread into consideration in my next video, until then,

-DiaboloBro
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Beni on January 22, 2008, 10:51:41 PM
Peace Matt, and sorry too :).

I see Leo's point about combos, my way of remembering tricks I have made up is to stick 'em in a combo. Then you find cool ways of linking and maybe find a few new tricks in the process. I think maybe you should try this Al.

Beni
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: William on January 22, 2008, 10:58:03 PM
Some of the people here are just horrible ( aka " Ass Suckers " ), there is no reason giving somebody those disguisting comments, that kind of comments will lead people to be afraid if your comments and not making videos.

Really, grow up. You're complaining about the comments, and making ones like that? That will only create more conflict. Quit the childish name calling.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on January 22, 2008, 11:32:01 PM
I don't get it. Is it so hard to say something good about a video ?

The comments here just make me sick, i can't believe how hard it became to post a good comment about a video, it wasn't so bad as you describe it.

I've seen a couple of videos with four diabolo high, but never saw Tony complaining. I can't see the reason that Al couldn't use the Excalibur Integral. As long as the trick isn't copyrighted, everybody can use it on their videos.

Some of the people here are just horrible ( aka " Ass Suckers " ), there is no reason giving somebody those disguisting comments, that kind of comments will lead people to be afraid if your comments and not making videos.

Al - your video is great. Keep making such videos and don't pay attention to the donkeyholes in here.

Good luck, Tomer.


You the man. Diabolo is not about claiming tricks, were a community after all.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: William on January 23, 2008, 12:09:23 AM
A community that resorts to childish name calling. I'm out.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Ginger_Tom on January 23, 2008, 12:48:52 AM
William, No one cares.
The video was alright, cut the guy a break.
Bit long, bit sloppy but still some mad skills for a lil guy with long string.
Your fans generally suck though is my one criticism but everything else, excusing the vertax because you all know how i feel about it, was all cool, and I
think the sketchiness of it all brought some life to it.

GT

Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: pippy on January 23, 2008, 01:27:36 AM
It was good and not too repetitive, except for the juggling bits that were tedious.  I still stick to my previous opinion that the a 3-4 min vid of tricks that are well linked would have been better, though your progress and ability is staggering! Well done.

I know we got past the trick stealing theory but maybe you should just put a bit in the credits saying 'thanks to' instead next time round, because those tricks can't be stolen as they aren't copyrighted or an object to own, but a thank you is just polite.  In my opinion, without the names being shown throughout the video, it would have made it less, 'look what I can do' and more of a normal diabolo video (if you can define normal ???).

Quote
aka " Ass Suckers "
Tomer, chill. People are allowed their opinions (as nasty as they can be) but I also know we all have to remember the boring yet useful idea of constructive criticism, let alone polite criticism Tomer. :-\
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: William on January 23, 2008, 01:28:52 AM
William, No one cares.

I think you need to take a nap.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Squiggle on January 23, 2008, 02:05:57 AM
I like icecream.

End of thread.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 23, 2008, 02:11:45 AM
Tomer, chill. People are allowed their opinions (as nasty as they can be) but I also know we all have to remember the boring yet useful idea of constructive criticism, let alone polite criticism Tomer. :-\
Okay, hear is the deal with the whole people are allowed their opinions thing, this isn't only about this particular one, this is merely a microcosmic example if you will. Tomer, though harsh in his words was disagreeing with an opinion, due to the phrasing of words in them...(ironic ???). He has every right to his opinion aswell, however, critisizing a critisism ABOUT a critisism, hasn't this gone too far? Everyone is allowed to express their opinion but they should know that if their opinion is phrased hashly, it will be responded to in a similar way, so trying to null Tomer's opinion, while saying people are allowed their opinion? Come on.

BTW, can't this end already?

MOD: sorry your post happened in the middle of mine. I also like ice cream, end of thread.....Again.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: William on January 23, 2008, 02:13:16 AM
I like icecream.

End of thread.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: mofro on January 23, 2008, 09:34:31 PM
i don't feel that this thread has to be ended just like that, i realise that my opinion doesn't really matter to most of you, but i do feel that this conversation as been a long time coming. i have been noticing alot of arguing just for the sake of it. is it really necessary? if you want to argue join a debate forum don't unleash it here just because.
for what it matters. my opinion.

josh.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Diabolo Bro on January 23, 2008, 09:37:33 PM
i realise that my opinion doesn't really matter to most of you
Oh come on, the thread is over because of unessesary argument, I'm sorry for posting again, but that needed to be said. Now that it has:
I like icecream.

End of thread.
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: Daniel on January 25, 2008, 12:32:56 PM
Your fans generally suck

lol i love that, especialy coming from you lol

video shows good skills al

daniel,

edit: oops end of thread
Title: Re: SnowBound: DiaboloBros
Post by: William on January 26, 2008, 01:38:40 AM
Come on people!
I like icecream.

End of thread.
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