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Title: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Squiggle on January 19, 2008, 04:52:58 AM
Here is a thing that me and William have worked on, Not 100% done.  PM one of us if you want something added/edited.


Abbreviations

Tricks:

Fts = Feed the sun
Fts 1-2 = 1D sun feeding 2D sun
Fts 2-3 = 2D sun feeding 3D sun etc.

Synch = Synchronous movement of the hands. (Same time)
Asynch = Asynchronous movement of the hands. (Different times)

RHBW = Right Hand Back Wrap
RHFW = Right Hand Front Wrap
LHBW = Left Hand Back Wrap
LHFW = Left Hand Front Wrap

MiniG = Mini Genocide
Geno = Genocide
Wrapped minig = Wrapped Mini Genocide

Btb = Behind The Back


Gear:

1D = 1 Diabolo
2D = 2 Diabolo etc

G1 = Finesse Generation 1
G2 = Finesse Generation 2
G3 = Finesse Generation 3


Forum:

Votw = Video of the week
D.ca = Diabolo.ca




Trick list


One Diabolo:


Backside: Refers to the diabolo being on the backside of the string, a double unwrap will result in the diabolo being on the darkside of the string.

Grabs: Is to stop the diabolo spinning, and have it isolated by a bodypart or stick.

Grinds: To have the diabolo spinning on something other than the string, most commonly sticks or fingers.

Orbits: To have the diabolo throw around body parts and caught again: i.e. orbiting the body.

Magic Knots: Wraps and Unwraps around points other then the diabolo: i.e. Sticks, Fingers.

Slackwhips: Throwing loops of slack string around the diabolo, sticks or strings. Commonly used to make string figures.

Stick releases: To throw one or more sticks and catch them again, usually around the Diabolo(s). Also known as suicides.

Suns: To move the Diabolo in a (usually) circlular motion around or between the sticks.

Vertax: Having the diabolo on the horizontal plane. The name is derived from the diabolos axle being verticle eg. VERTicleAXle. Also known as Excalibur.

Whips: To catch the diabolo in a whipping motion, often in one hand. A full string slack whip.

Wraps: To wrap the string around the diabolos axle. Four main ways:
Right handed backwrap is where the string is wrapped around the near cup with the right hand;
Left handed backwrap is where the string is wrapped around the near cup with the left hand;
Right hand front wrap is where the string is wrapped around the far cup with the right hand - has the same effect as a Left handed backwrap;
Left hand front wrap is where the string is wrapped around the far cup with the left hand - has the same effect as a Right handed backwrap



Two Diabolo:

Anti shuffle: Same as your shuffle, but in different direction.   (Right handed = Anti clockwise    Left handed = Clockwise)

Anti-Suicide: A wrap is placed on the diabolo and throw the stick the opposite way you would a normal suicide (upwards and towards your non-dominant hand).

Fan: A fan can be seen as a continuous (no beat) antisun. There are many variations such as C-fan and S-fan. Other tricks such as 360's, swings and sprinklers can be performed in a fan.

Mini Columns: Each diabolo pops straight up and down a small height from the string.  Side by side. No diabolos swap sides.

Shuffle: Basic 2 diabolo motion, each moving in a circular motion around each other. If you're right handed the diabolos should be moving clockwise and counterclockwise for left handed.

Sprinkler: Wrap both diabolos in one wrap. It's a 2 diabolo shuffle inside a large wrap.  Can be done with any wrap. Also more than one wrap can be used. Known as Double, Triple, Quadruple (etc) Sprinklers. Also known as a hyperloop.

Stalls: Each diabolo is separated by string, sticks, legs, arms or other body parts that stops the diabolos from shuffling. A stall can also be created by a knot or a twist in the string.

Vortex: A Vortex is using the motion of diabolo to place a wrap and/or unwrap another diabolo. Many variations that are also known as transfers








Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: Beni on January 19, 2008, 10:07:35 AM
Nice one... I wonder what seán will think of it ;D.

Maybe you should add that LHBW = RHFW, RHBW = LHFW. Also slack suicides.

Beni
(And lacerations, and string rejection.... naah)
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: Duncan on January 19, 2008, 10:14:31 AM
I think this is a good idea. I do feel there's still a lot of jargon that needs to be teased out (which I've spent a few minutes unsuccessfully trying to do) so that it's completely understandable to a beginner, but it's a good start.
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: William on January 19, 2008, 10:26:58 AM
Maybe you should add that LHBW = RHFW, RHBW = LHFW.
I did?
Wraps: To wrap the string around the diabolos axle. four main ways:
Right handed backwrap is where the string is wrapped around the near cup with the right hand;
Left handed backwrap is where the string is wrapped around the near cup with the left hand;
Right hand front wrap is where the string is wrapped around the far cup with the right hand - has the same effect as a Left handed backwrap
Left hand front wrap is where the string is wrapped around the far cup with the left hand - has the same effect as a Right handed backwrap

Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: TomerB on January 19, 2008, 12:15:51 PM
Very good !
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: aaro on January 19, 2008, 02:10:01 PM
Magic knot could be just knot, not too much magic in those :)
Maybe you could also drop the hand from RHBW's, i think it's useless.
Othervice nice job.
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: Squiggle on January 19, 2008, 02:21:54 PM
Magic knot could be just knot, not too much magic in those :)
Maybe you could also drop the hand from RHBW's, i think it's useless.
Othervice nice job.

I think it's said more "Magic Knots" then just a Knot.

You're saying there is no difference between left hand backwrap and right hand backwrap?

Example: You were explaining to some how to enter a fan with a LHBW, If you just said backwrap..They wouldn't know which side you ment..etc.  If that makes sense ^_^


Thanks.
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: aaro on January 19, 2008, 03:27:21 PM
I think it's said more "Magic Knots" then just a Knot.

You're saying there is no difference between left hand backwrap and right hand backwrap?

Example: You were explaining to some how to enter a fan with a LHBW, If you just said backwrap..They wouldn't know which side you meant..etc.  If that makes sense ^_^


Thanks.
Well, if you think magic is in the right place there...
But the other thing, i meant to drop the HAND, not left or right, please read my post. It could be said like "left backwrap" as i think there will be quite small number of people trying to do the wrap with legs or nose.  ::)
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: seán_ on January 19, 2008, 04:19:53 PM
Nice one... I wonder what seán will think of it ;D.

I have been talking with William about it, I think it's a good idea.
Sorting out the order and putting some links to tutorials etc might be handy.
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: Beni on January 19, 2008, 07:03:01 PM
No, I said LHBW = RHFW, as in it is the same wrap done by different hands.
I believe a magic knot is bringing a stick over and under a diabolo in equal amounts, all released into nothing (as Jake said). A knot could be anything; any mount, any wrap.

Beni
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: Squiggle on January 20, 2008, 05:39:34 AM
I'll work out the order later tonight, If you want anything added post it :D


I'll also search for good tutourials or videos for each trick, Or even film small clips of each trick if you guys think it would help.
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: tommi on January 20, 2008, 08:07:46 PM
BackSide: Refers to the diabolo being on the backside of the string, A double unwrap will result in the diabolo being on the darkside of the string.

I don't think that clarifies the trick very much, since you describe the term by using the term itself in the definition. You know, a string doesn't really have sides. Maybe describing the way the string goes around the axle and noting the also the sticks.

Um, like "A position where string goes from righthand stick on over the axle to the lefthand side of it, and from there under it, to lefthand stick over the right side of the axle."

That sounds quite bad. Backside is the simplest thing, but a hard one to explain..

Other than that, this seems pretty good. Nice work and keep adding stuff to it.
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: Beni on January 20, 2008, 09:23:16 PM
Or just crossed string.
And I was under the impression that backside and darkside are one and the same.

Beni
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: Squiggle on January 21, 2008, 01:40:31 AM
Yeah, I had a little trouble with backside. Cheers, And I'll work on changing that up a bit, possible with a video to help.
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: -Leo- on January 21, 2008, 11:16:57 AM
Good job guys! I'd like to think that stuff like this, the stickies and the equipment guide are useful the new forumers.
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: mofro on February 13, 2008, 11:04:19 PM
much appreceated guys an asset to the forum

unlike some people i know....

or is that me?

orfom
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: Eric Moffett on April 01, 2008, 02:24:39 AM
Hey, I was thinking about adding a notation to make 2d high  etc easier my idea would be:

2h, or 2dh for 2 diabolos high
3h, or 3dh for 2 diabolos high
1v, or 1dv for 1 diabolo vertical
etc.
etc.
Title: Re: Diabolo Trick List and Abbreviations.
Post by: William on April 02, 2008, 05:35:48 AM
That was some merit. I've used 2dV before.
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: ETAMark on October 14, 2008, 01:27:38 AM
yet again, might make myself look dumb, but what EXACTLY is "feed the sun"? could someone tell of a time in a video that I could see? I hear the trick alot, but never was really clear on what it was.
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Sean on October 14, 2008, 01:42:50 AM
what EXACTLY is "feed the sun"? could someone tell of a time in a video that I could see?
Does this (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1257.0) help?
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: fasilevi on October 14, 2008, 02:16:37 AM
i think you missed this:

ott: over the top
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: ecuador16 on October 14, 2008, 02:33:36 AM
how about ott? i still dont know what it means and thats a very common one
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Sean on October 14, 2008, 03:41:45 AM
?reverse in happening everything is Why
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Diabolo88 on October 14, 2008, 08:30:53 PM
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i think you missed this:

ott: over the top

Wow, I´ve been wondering about that one for SO long (there is no equivalent in my language :().

What does FTET stand for please?
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Ben. on October 14, 2008, 08:57:23 PM
Wow, I´ve been wondering about that one for SO long (there is no equivalent in my language :().

What does FTET stand for please?
learn 2d eiffel first :)
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: ETAMark on October 19, 2008, 02:01:17 AM
Many thanks Sean! I've seen that trick in many videos, but never made the connection.
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: allsoppy5 on October 19, 2008, 01:19:25 PM
This has been confusing me for so long!
Site swaps! 522? 554? 552? What is it all about??!!
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Alex! on October 19, 2008, 02:01:12 PM
This has been confusing me for so long!
Site swaps! 522? 554? 552? What is it all about??!!
Read this: http://www.artofdiabolo.com/siteswap.php (http://www.artofdiabolo.com/siteswap.php)
Then download this: http://www.artofdiabolo.com/dsss.php (http://www.artofdiabolo.com/dsss.php)
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: allsoppy5 on October 19, 2008, 04:46:56 PM
soo... 201 would be throwing 1 diabolo in the air, catching i t and doing an  open sun? lol
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Ben. on October 19, 2008, 08:01:45 PM
Why don't you go to the DSSS and try it?

[Edited for cleanliness by Sean. Rinse, repeat, and lather again.]
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Diabolo88 on October 28, 2008, 11:16:10 AM
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Wow, I´ve been wondering about that one for SO long (there is no equivalent in my language ).

What does FTET stand for please?

learn 2d eiffel first 

^OK, finally learnt 2D Eiffel fairly solid + new slackcombo from it yesterday. Now could you please cut me some slack (oh the hilarity of that pun) and say what it means :-D. It´s driving me insane not knowing.
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: daryy on December 19, 2008, 05:10:18 AM
You're saying there is no difference between left hand backwrap and right hand backwrap?

Example: You were explaining to some how to enter a fan with a LHBW, If you just said backwrap..They wouldn't know which side you ment..etc.  If that makes sense ^_^

Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Spink on December 19, 2008, 08:54:23 AM
LHBW = RHFW
RHBW = LHFW
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: William on December 19, 2008, 10:48:22 AM
There is no spoon.
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: mike. on December 19, 2008, 07:57:39 PM
LHBW = RHFW
RHBW = LHBW

you mean that RHBW=LHFW
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Stevey on March 04, 2009, 09:06:52 PM
Sweet, usefull. What is an 'intergral'? I'v heard it mentioned around the forum a few times and still got no idea what it is :P
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: seán_ on March 04, 2009, 10:18:40 PM
It's the trick d'jour... It's the family of suicides where basically you hold the string and both sticks swing. A well known one is a 'Tomicide' search for that on youtube.
Somebody will be along in a bit with some video examples no doubt.
HTH
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Chiok on March 05, 2009, 11:48:44 AM
Cups - The outer bell shaped shells that make up the majority of the diabolo, made in a plastic or rubber material.

Hubs - The inner cones that the cups attach to, made in plastic or metal.

Axle - The bit in the middle that string sits under.

Chiok
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Stevey on March 05, 2009, 08:55:44 PM
It's the trick d'jour... It's the family of suicides where basically you hold the string and both sticks swing. A well known one is a 'Tomicide' search for that on youtube.
Somebody will be along in a bit with some video examples no doubt.
HTH

aahhh right, yeah i get it now. :) thanks seán_
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Diabolo88 on March 29, 2009, 02:45:17 AM
Is there a preferred way of writing fts combinations? Wondering because someone (think it was GuiZ) recently posted in the "I just learnt" thread about having learnt 1-2 fts but it was hard to know if this was 2D or 3D until it was actually written out.

Would you write 2D 1-2, or maybe the 2D pattern is within parenthesis (2) or maybe there is some other way? Is it considered standard to write out fts all the time?

And how are you supposed to write the siteswaps that are taken down from high or taken down and then back up again? I still can´t figure out the siteswap for these and they don´t work in DSSS but is there a standard way of marking in writing that the pattern moves between high-low in the middle of the combo?
Title: Diabolo terminology
Post by: ra5se on March 29, 2009, 07:02:28 AM
I prefer writing the siteswaps the same i do in juggling. (according the height of the throws)
In juggling, the 441 is 2 asynch throws at the normal 4ball pattern. Then pass one ball to the other hand. 
In diabolo 441-3d high, 2 up in the height of a normal 4d high, and 1d sun. this is how i get it. But low patterns, like with 3d the 42, is how I think of it, is 1 up in normal 4d low height, and the normal 2d shuffle. You shouldn't take my word for it, but this how I think of it.
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: martijn on March 29, 2009, 10:30:08 AM
Is there a preferred way of writing fts combinations?

I don't see the problem. The highest number always represents the amount of diabolos used in the fts sequence. Right? ;D
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: William on March 29, 2009, 12:55:37 PM
So if I do 57[11][2]333.. How would you write that?

but really, just put (x) at the start.
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Diabolo88 on March 29, 2009, 01:14:09 PM
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prefer writing the siteswaps the same i do in juggling. (according the height of the throws)
In juggling, the 441 is 2 asynch throws at the normal 4ball pattern. Then pass one ball to the other hand. 
In diabolo 441-3d high, 2 up in the height of a normal 4d high, and 1d sun. this is how i get it. But low patterns, like with 3d the 42, is how I think of it, is 1 up in normal 4d low height, and the normal 2d shuffle. You shouldn't take my word for it, but this how I think of it.

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Is there a preferred way of writing fts combinations?

I don't see the problem. The highest number always represents the amount of diabolos used in the fts sequence. Right?

Quote
So if I do 57[11][2]333.. How would you write that?

but really, just put (x) at the start.

But you can do 3high 4 (or is it 5?) 2-1 fts back to 3 high (4 is a normal throw). It doesn´t work out in siteswap (or at least I don´t know how to write it :embarassed:) but it does in reality.

522 would possibly work for the above siteswap as far as pace go but when the last fts is still a 1 it doesn´t.

What is (x) supposed to mean?
Title: Re: Diabolo Terminology and Abbreviations.
Post by: Diamono on June 06, 2010, 10:31:06 AM
Good. I have seen many places where are those terms but i didn't understand them before that.  :) Example RHBW-terms are useful.
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