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Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: w35ku on April 18, 2005, 02:34:55 PM
Is diaboloing dangerous? I diabolo maybe 30min - 1 hour of a day
and some others do maybe 3 hours of a week, so is it dangerous to do it much ?
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Vojtas on April 18, 2005, 03:23:30 PM
Yep, it is very dangerous, especially for your face.. =)
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: barnesy on April 18, 2005, 03:31:46 PM
It's like any physical activity.  If you overdo it, it's possible to injure yourself.  If something starts to hurt, pay attention to it - maybe you need to ease up or stop for a while.   But if everything seems OK, I wouldn't worry about it.

I've been doing a few hours every day for the last few weeks, and don't seem to be having problems, if that counts for anything.
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Sean on April 18, 2005, 03:40:23 PM
Overuse injuries are not uncommon with diaboloists/jugglers.

Personally, I have had many issues with wrist overuse injuries related to the diabolo in the past. Surprisingly, the solution for me was in the equipment I used. Different sticks have different elastic properties and are of different lengths. For me, I discovered the following:

Henrys carbon/fiberglass sticks + Circus diabolos = severe wrist pain
Henrys carbon/fiberglass sticks + Finesse diabolos = mild wrist pain
Henrys aluminum sticks + Finesse diabolos = maybe occasional soreness, not a problem
Henrys aluminum sticks + Circus diabolos = no pain

In short, I believe the carbon sticks give me more trouble because of their greater length (greater torque/moment arm on the wrist by the diabolos) and aluminum sticks force me to adapt a less agressive style of diaboloing. I could hypothesize as to reasons for this all day, but the bottom line is that I stay away from my carbon and fiberglass sticks. Of course, your results may vary.

Other than experimenting with equipment, general overuse prevention and treatment strategies should apply, as barnesy mentioned. Essentially: don't overdo it at any one time - build up the amount of time spent diaboloing slowly, as hard as that might be.
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: barnesy on April 18, 2005, 04:00:26 PM
Quote from: Sean

Henrys aluminum sticks + Circus diabolos = no pain


Ah, I should be fine then!

That does remind me that the change from wood to Henrys alu (which seems to be good, even if I've lost a few tricks on the way) did cause me to get some forearm pains.  I guess that was just because of the slight shift in weight balance, etc.  I paid attention to the warnings, and now seem to have no problems.
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Dax on April 18, 2005, 05:38:40 PM
henry's alu sticks + henry's circus + face = lots of pain!
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: w35ku on April 18, 2005, 05:48:22 PM
Quote from: barnesy
Quote from: Sean

Henrys aluminum sticks + Circus diabolos = no pain


Ah, I should be fine then!


Hehe, I got Henrys aluminium and the diabolo i often diabolate with is a circus, and i dont have any kind of pain... Thanks guys !
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Rusty on April 18, 2005, 06:32:20 PM
Be careful when your arms/wrists start to hurt. I have not been able to juggle since christmas. It is horrible, I have three new finesse G2 just waiting to be used.

Rusty, Norway
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: JGherkin on April 18, 2005, 07:51:39 PM
I disagree with Carbon sticks causing pain, Im absolutely fine, just my muscles get kanckered quite a bit and I presume thatd be the same with any equipment, ok lighter diabs like finesse would ease that up but still :) Love my carbons!
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Sean on April 18, 2005, 08:08:18 PM
I'm not saying carbon sticks cause pain for everyone. Obviously plenty of people are just fine with them. I'm saying that they cause me problems (and I believe Arjan too). I suffered for about 8 months before I realized that. Now, if I pick them up for even an hour or so I start to develop pain. Some people are more succeptible to these things, some people won't develop problems no matter what they do.

Some people may find that carbon sticks are the best solution for them and that aluminum sticks hurt. Different pieces of equipment have different physical properties to them and over a long span of time their use can affect people's bodies in different ways.

The point I was trying to make was that if someone is having problems part of the solution may involve experimenting with different equipment.
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: ronnie2tone on April 18, 2005, 08:21:30 PM
Although my wrists and arms are fine, diabolo'ing has given me a really sore back.

Coming home from the BJC I had all my camping gear, juggling stuff, clothes etc in a big holdall. Carrying it up 3 flights of stairs to my flat one-handed has resulted in a visit to the physio.

Does this count??
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Alex on April 18, 2005, 08:54:19 PM
The most painful thing that has ever happened to me was when the diabolo rolled up, while I was Chinese Whipping.  Me throwing full wrist action forward, and the diabolo pulling hard backwards, is quite painful.  I couldn't diabolo for weeks.
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: martijn on April 18, 2005, 09:04:16 PM
Besides the scars and stuff, I only hurt my wrist in a period when I played the drums (yes, an other hobby of mine :) ) way too much. I was playing with a little band, and I overused my wrists. When I touched a diabolo, I couldn't diabolo for more than 5 minutes :( That was a hard periode for me..

Blisters are also a very bad thing if you diabolo.
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: diabololi on April 18, 2005, 09:22:38 PM
I believe I had come wrist pain specifically from continuously speedwrapping circuses. It seemed to go away after a few days though.
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Arjan on April 18, 2005, 09:48:15 PM
I always have some spot where I have pain. In the wrist or thumb or palm of my hand whatever. Pain is part of my practicing. It`s not a very strong pain (not always) so I just continue practicing. But doing 3 high (attempting) all day long is bad for your shoulders and arms.

Sometimes I have a little break or fallback, but normally I would train a minimum of 2 hours a day, if I have the chance (weatherwise).
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Chiok on April 18, 2005, 11:43:03 PM
I got some terrible callouses and pressure points from using wooden sticks quite aggressively.  I'd practise 1+2 for a few hours on a saturday and my hands would kinda warm tingle for the rest of the day due to the pressure of holding onto the sticks while chinese whipping.
The aluminiums I use now have nice padded handle, so no problem there.  Though can get a bit of neck and back ache from looking down so much at my 2d.  Plus I imagine your back can cane a bit from doing an s-fan for how long (Sean & A Man's Chew)?

Warming up is important, as it is when doing anything outside the sedatory or passive actions like running for a bus.  Start easy as everyone has said (but if you've already ran for the bus, you'll probably be warmed up already.)

Chiok
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Jack_12325 on April 22, 2005, 07:34:24 PM
The worst ive had is at Glasto 2004 i got a blister right where my right hand holds the diabolo stick! It was so annoying, I was using Carbon fibre's and a circus.

Ive got a finesse now and i find them less painful on the wrist.
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: w35ku on April 23, 2005, 09:56:16 AM
Henry Circus got a weigth of 300 gram and
Babache Finesse got a weigth of 240 gram.

Why do Finesse more wrist-pain if circus weigth more ?
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: dougall on April 24, 2005, 12:41:07 PM
Aside from equipment, which seems to have a marked effect for some people, i've found that concentrating on smoothing out my style (e.g. so there's no jerking action in either arm when continuously backwrapping two) has led to less tension building up in my wrists/ shoulders / back without any loss of speed/tricks. (Infact i believe this benefits speed since the energy is being successfully transfered to the diablo rather than getting stuck in tensions inside me  :? )
Title: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Spooned on April 24, 2005, 08:28:49 PM
After diaboloing nearly solidly for about 2 days (look out for footage coming soon) i got a pain in my first finger on left hand. I am left handed and hold my alu stick quite high for control whilst doing 2, i've had it before but that was the very first few times i was playing diabolo and my left was constantly moving and the stick bashing against my finger. Anyone got any ideas?
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: allsoppy5 on January 05, 2007, 08:33:19 PM
It generally fine except if you have wooden sticks you may get blisters (i have 4). An try not to let it hit your face either.  ;D
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Matt? on January 08, 2007, 06:58:21 PM
i found that for general suicide based tricks alu sticks in general hutrt too much. i got rid of them and now i have carbons, whic are lovley. as for diabolos, the material of a finnesse hurts less when it hits your face than a circus (both of which have happened today). repetative strain injury is apparantly common in people who regularly use henrys circus diabolos. its one of the sale fetures of the finnesse, apparantly it reduces the risc of rsi.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Diabolo88 on January 10, 2007, 08:57:09 PM
My fingers hurts constantly from callouses and broken nails because of duicides. Pains inside the hands from holding the sticks. Usually shoulder- and neckpains because I´m better at three high than low at the moment. A broken nose and a scar in my eyebrow from the Diabolo hitting my face so yes, Diabolo is dangerous...but oh so worth it ;D
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Mark BMC on January 10, 2007, 09:34:28 PM

A broken nose and a scar in my eyebrow from the Diabolo hitting my face so yes,

what were you using? that’s got to have been a harlequin. Unless you've got some Mr Glass type thing going on,

This is all directed to any beginners on the forum

method of healing after an injury
I would add to what Sean posted  that stick Length is a factor, especially with bendy sticks, i.e. energy's, fibreglass.  More bend means more torque on the wrist. I had a scare about a year ago, after a 6 hour busking session using long fibreglass and a standard circus, I lost about 50% movement in my right wrist for a good few days, I used a piece of stretchy rubber attached to a chair given to me by a phsio friend [you pull it with your effected wrist in different ways thus safely stretching your tendons and muscles and improving strength and movement however you should only use once pain has ceased, until then rest and only gentle movement is the key].

Also switching my gear to allies and lighter circuses has helped, I assume the ultimate low risk combo would be a finesse and short carbons  

Changing your technique can help, mine has changed dramatically, I had the classic string cuts on both my arms and my style was allot more vigorous, now I'm hopefully  more flowy, changing to wrapped orbits to speed up your diabolo should reduce the chance of repetitive strain compared to whipping.  

warm up
This might sound abit over the top but If I know I'm gonna be diaboloing all day ill do some quick wrist exercises, I use ones designed for session drummers as they also hold sticks for long periods of time. Also a few quick shoulder exercises are good to, it will also improve your general flexibility and might help with your style and a relaxed stance
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: seán_ on January 11, 2007, 12:32:16 AM
Nice tips Mark, I'll add one tip Physiomonkey gave me. We arent built to do repetitive small motions so vary the way you do speedups to avoid over repetitive motions.

Also My back went west (several times) he theorised that the most usual way I dealt with picking up a dropped diabolo was (when doing 2) to keep one running holding the sticks in my left hand, bending over and across to the left to pick up the diabolo with my right hand. Doing this motion over several years could cause an imbalance in lower back muscles leading to back problems.

I vary the way I pick up diabolos now, and try and avoid that bending turning motion at all costs.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Dan on January 11, 2007, 02:21:00 AM
I may be wondering offtopic a little here but i spent the last 2-3 years training hard with swimming, badminton (wierd i know but i am pretty darn good) and also played piano.  According to the doctor i have very strong wrists and arm muscles in general.  But because of training physically on the arms and not so much on my lower body i have something wrong with my shoulders and elbows.  Basically it means i cant put my arms straight - the tendons and muscles are tensed by nerves stuck in my elbows  :(.  Anyway i have had no problems with diabloing apart from occasional neck ache and the face injuries which come at some time for all of us.  Vertax has been a problem for me as it messes up my left shoulder quite bad.  I spent about half a day working on vertax and some new tricks ive been learning and that resulted in 2 weeks of pain when lifting my arm above 40 degrees from my legs.  Can anyone suggest an exercise or simple technique to stop this happening (im right handed so my less dominant arm is the problem)?

Would be much appreciated,

Dan

PS: Sorry if ive blabbered on a bit, its a school night, im bored and its 20 past 2 in the mornin.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: scottp45 on January 11, 2007, 03:34:40 AM
yes diaboloing is dangerous. doing vertax (or at least attemting to do so) i have hit myself in the face at least 3 times. I got burns from doing over arm orbits/combos. ive got wood sticks and got blisters on my right thumb, forefinger, and middlefinger from whipping. ive also got shoulder strain from vertax. Its also dangerous to your furniture, cieling, and houseplants if you hit something while doing suicides or anything involving throwingt the diab.

ps:sean_, you have a back curve too? I didnt get mine from diaboloing though.


scott
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: one.man.band on January 22, 2007, 03:46:59 PM
I can see the idea behind hitting yourself with a high speed diabolo, because although friction burns don't seem like they will be painful, they often are after a while.

I've also noticed that many people contort their body when they diabolo so that unnecessary strains are put on themselves (be that neck, back or shoulders). I'd imagine loosening off, stretching and video-taping yourself to see if you are doing anything strange might help solve those problems.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: David - SAS1 on January 22, 2007, 04:21:47 PM
Yeah that was funny, the only problem that i have had is that my shoulder muscles hurt quite a bit after learning vertax, but i think it is just because it feels unusual
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Mark BMC on January 23, 2007, 04:58:18 PM
hi scottp45

to answer you question regarding sean_ I carbon dated him when he fell asleep after a meal and his curved back is just the result of time reeking its terrible toll, so not to worry.

to Dan

It sounds like a proper warm up will help your problems as this allows your muscles to deal with the extra rotation and stress caused by vertax more easily [think of them as elastic bands you've got to get them stretchy first or they will snap or contract, also strengthening your lower back muscles as well as your abs helps with posture,

HTH
Title: Hand Pain?
Post by: Mr. Diablo on December 09, 2007, 08:40:32 PM
Have any of you experienced hand pain while holding on to the sticks for a long time. Is there any way to help this like some sort of stretch or something to put on the sticks.

                                                                           Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Hand Pain?
Post by: TomMiller on December 09, 2007, 08:52:34 PM
how old/new are the sticks, and what sticks are they
Title: Re: Hand Pain?
Post by: Duncan on December 09, 2007, 08:52:44 PM
The best thing to do is rest when pain like that hits - if it's a muscle strain, stretching will likely aggravate it. Otherwise, don't diabolo for as long if you're going to be experiencing pain. If it's a blister pain, you'll just work up some callouses. Stretching a little beforehand is always a good idea that is not really used too much by us, but should be. If it's a cramp, stop diaboloing and rest.

For clarification on if you can put something on, what sticks are you using? This might also help us figure out what's causing your pain.

-Duncan
Title: Re: Hand Pain?
Post by: Mr. Diablo on December 09, 2007, 09:03:39 PM
They are just some cheap wooden sticks. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Hand Pain?
Post by: Duncan on December 09, 2007, 09:09:42 PM
I'm still waiting for some explanation on what your hand pain is: can you describe it?

As for wooden stick, you can either get some silicone grips (http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/Devil_Stick_Hand_Sticks.html) and stretch that over your sticks, or you could get a pair of aluminum or carbon sticks with a foam grip. And even after that you can mod up your aluminum or carbon sticks with something that might make it more comfy.
Title: Re: Hand Pain?
Post by: mellowscholar on December 09, 2007, 09:13:09 PM
Yeah I used to get sore hands with wooden sticks, the Henry's aluminium ones I've got now have lovely soft handles.

I've pulled a muscle in my right hand by chinese whipping this weekend.
Title: Re: Hand Pain?
Post by: Mr. Diablo on December 09, 2007, 09:14:12 PM
It's like cramp. You know when you are writing for a really long tome and your hand starts to hurt? Well, that is how it feels.
Title: Re: Hand Pain?
Post by: Ben. on December 09, 2007, 09:28:58 PM
just a tip here, if your suffering from blisters, like i always do (Mark BMC should know) then i strongly advise using surgical spirit. after the BJC my hands were completely buggered, i had about 10 blisters and at bristol i had about 5 but now i have put surgical spirit on them for about two weeks, they are fine and if anything, too hard.
Title: Re: Hand Pain?
Post by: Duncan on December 09, 2007, 09:32:41 PM
Cramps are a fairly typical pain. Drink more water, softly massage your hand when it cramps up, apply heat if it is a sustained pain.

Try changing up the way you grip the sticks as well. If you have a "locked" position with your hand, as if your were riding a bike and are gripping on tightly, open it up and try using just your fingers more like if you were using drumsticks. More importantly, take regular breaks.

Edit: finally got around to merging this topic up.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on December 10, 2007, 02:22:45 AM
When i was just starting, i had horrible form , and overdid it, so i ended up injuring my wrists in an odd way.
When i was diaboling a while back I heard i CRRRICK in my wrist and felt my wrist went out of line a bit.
It went back a few seconds later, and its happened in both wrists, but now sometime my wrist bones will go out of line when theyre at an odd angle, and that HURTS! >:(
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Conor on December 14, 2007, 06:36:21 PM
when i first started i wouldnt put my diabolo down and within a month i got repetative strain injuries in my right fore arm (it was diabolo i swear). If you do too much too early you're likely to hurt yourself, it takes time for the muscles to build up and be able to deal with it and even then there are limits - tried diaboloing / juggling all day at BJC most days and was ready to die when i got home :)
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: sasha on December 31, 2007, 05:42:26 PM
i have carbons with a hard foam grip and i get pain in my right forearm which is ok, its not that bad, but when i do vertax (which i do very badly, :(  ) my palm sometimes hurt so much its unbearable! i got a new technique where i like hold the left stick pretty loosely and point it downwards. anyway, diabolo puts a lot of strain to your arms and back when you do it too aggressively. if you do it with patience you can do like 2-4 hours a day without much trouble. i always have a go for like ten minutes and then rest for a minute, then some more and more and more etc.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: dashpops on December 31, 2007, 08:55:50 PM
Is diaboloing dangerous? I diabolo maybe 30min - 1 hour of a day
and some others do maybe 3 hours of a week, so is it dangerous to do it much ?
ive got pain with all gear just by doing chinese snaps
Title: muscle strain
Post by: ERIK da blue on January 15, 2008, 04:12:35 PM
just recently i have hurt my wrist by diaboloing and juggling too much.
I'm going to a juggling convention in a week, so should i:
a)rest my wrist for a week and become a bit rusty for the convention?
b)sod it and just keep practicing until the convention and rest after, risking making the healing time longer?

please help me!!!

thanks
janion
Title: Re: muscle strain
Post by: TheDutchMan on January 15, 2008, 04:40:52 PM
Had a similar problem a while ago...except I had no juggling convention in a week. Sure I didn't injure myself doing diabolo, but I'm sure it didn't help it. I couldn't help it tho... its just to addictive!

I did end up getting a pysio for it in the end though

All in all it seems to be better now.

I bet you'll find other people will tell you to rest it but you'll be wanting to use it! I suppose it depends just how bad it is?
Title: Re: muscle strain
Post by: Duncan on January 15, 2008, 04:49:42 PM
DutchMan called it - I say rest it.

You've answered your question already, Erik. By noting that continual practicing will injure it further, it's pretty obvious you should rest it.

Are you performing at this convention, Erik?

-Duncan
Title: Re: muscle strain
Post by: Tom Derrick on January 15, 2008, 09:48:48 PM
Definitely rest it. You'll be doing more than usual at the convention, so you don't want to be in pain for that.
Title: Re: muscle strain
Post by: ERIK da blue on January 16, 2008, 08:52:01 AM
no, i'm not performing but i will rest it.

i will be sooo bored but i think it will be worth it for the convention

thanks for all your advice
janion
Title: Re: muscle strain
Post by: ~james~ on January 16, 2008, 09:00:18 AM
I had this problem too, i think the pain was caused by doing "whip acceleration" (not sure of name). I tried to rest it but couldnt resist just a little bit of practice.
Id say if you have the convention in a week maybe just polish up the not-so-violent-movements tricks your working on but try to give it a good rest overall.
James
Title: Re: muscle strain
Post by: robbie322 on January 16, 2008, 05:16:35 PM
i got this pain from practising club flourishes at Bristol, and more recently from chinese whipping. i would definitely give it a rest and when you go back to it, try a more upward gentle chinese whip if this was what caused the problem. in the mean time, juggle!
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: relic on January 18, 2008, 08:38:20 PM
I hit myself in the face with my diabolo harder than I ever have done before today.  >:(

I was not impressed and kicked my diabolo round the room in anger  ;D
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: pimjco on January 21, 2008, 02:33:33 AM
usually if I diabolo for a long time my right shoulder really gets soar
I guessing im gonna have to get used to it
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Eric Moffett on January 24, 2008, 03:25:57 AM
usually if I diabolo for a long time my right shoulder really gets soar
I guessing im gonna have to get used to it

My friend I hurt his shoulder from doing that, he had to rest it for a few weeks... Like a ripped tendon or something...
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: fzzyrn on January 24, 2008, 04:28:54 AM
that happened to me the other day when i was working on getting my whip duicides nice and consistent. I rested for give or take a day (read: did homework), and now i can do as many whip duicides as i want without hurting. Thank god diabolo doesn't make use of fingers that much
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Tomko401 on February 16, 2008, 04:55:59 PM
My friend was doing around the body orbits with someone and hit him in the eye
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: DiaboloBRODiggy on March 11, 2008, 10:12:20 PM
I guessing im gonna have to get used to it
You will get used to it and it will be subsituted with new pains that you never experienced whence you try new tricks.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Diabolo Dodson on April 21, 2008, 09:06:36 PM
I got some serious wrist pain when i was at BJC, i ended up using some deep heat cream stuff before and after diaboloing.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Adamer15 on April 21, 2008, 09:18:49 PM
Well im using Mr babache alu sticks and a harlequin diabolo and i never had any pains
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: hibbo on July 21, 2008, 10:16:47 AM
I know it might bee seen as dragging up an old issuse.  But to save  me asking if anyone gets any weird pains in a new forum.

It seems that when i play and concentrate on diabolo for a long time i push my tongue to the front of my mouth completely subconcitiously as when i finish my front teeth are absolutlely aching.  It's unbelievebaly sore to even attempt to eat and that sucks 'cos i also love to eat.

Oh Well.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: sasuke_2255 on July 21, 2008, 05:22:13 PM
It seems that when i play and concentrate on diabolo for a long time i push my tongue to the front of my mouth completely subconcitiously as when i finish my front teeth are absolutlely aching.  It's unbelievebaly sore to even attempt to eat and that sucks 'cos i also love to eat.

Oh Well.
I don't see how your teeth can hurt. I can't even budge my teeth with my tongue. Maybe you have a cavity?
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: CirqueKid on July 25, 2008, 02:29:14 AM
I'm not sure if your teeth are sore because of that, but maybe you just have a toothache or something.  I sometimes get this and my teeth will feel really sore, but they just get better over about a week or so.  I'm no dentist, so I'm not claiming to know the first thing about dental issues, though.

Myself, I find that my tongue rubs between my upper and lower molars when I concentrate on something really hard.  I'll come off of a practice session and realize my tongue has been all ripped up from the crushing force of my jaw.   :P (literally)  However, it really is just for a little while and is more of an annoyance than an actual injury.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: hibbo on July 25, 2008, 07:41:51 PM
Not that it matters.

But it's definitely because my tongue pushes against my front teeth but only when i concentrate really hard.  I was learning some guitar and the same thing happened, lol.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: monkiatzu on August 02, 2008, 02:58:53 AM
diaboloing becomes dangerous in different levels of diaboloing.
e.g if you were doing 5 diabolos high and sudenly your string breaks, theres a high chance of a sore head.
but thats a bit extreme.
things such as your arms hurting are actually good signs because it means your muscles have made micro tears which will repair after a few days leaving you with bigger,stronger muscles.
the more you diabolo in a day will equate to how tired you are. its a physical activity and all activities result in this.
i diabolo until im tired, which is longer and longer every day, then again some days i wake up tired so i dont diabolo much
its different for everyone
hope it helps
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: William on August 02, 2008, 03:07:09 AM
I never thought about that. You have a good point. Prime example would be 3 low edurance. At first 100ott seems like a stretch then its like nothing after a month (provided you can shuffle obviously)
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Aaron Z on August 02, 2008, 06:38:13 AM
Your muscles don't get that burning sensation because they're tearing...

It's a build-up of Lactic acid, which tells you that not enough blood is going to your muscles to get oxygen there.
Once your body realizes this, it builds on those muscles so that they require less oxygen to operate, or more blood goes to them or something like that, I forget.

Just wikipedia search lactic acid.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: monkiatzu on August 02, 2008, 07:46:12 AM
i think your right..
either way it makes your muscles bigger ;D
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: Squiggle on August 02, 2008, 09:40:23 AM
your arms hurting isn't a good sign...that's just silly.

Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: William on August 02, 2008, 09:58:11 AM
Jake and I learned that rescuing diabolos from cliffs and another place I'll keep a secret to surprise the collab. Can be painful. Wish I got Jake falling down the cliff on film.
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: ryannn on August 15, 2008, 09:48:44 AM
the other day the not on my diabolo sticks came of as i was bouncing to get speed up and i poked my self in the eye with the stick, that really hurt
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: PPM on August 15, 2008, 11:29:20 AM
Never do vertax on an old and weak string…. One day I was practesing it, the string suddently tears (broke up, no idea if tears is the right term)… hited my face over the cheek up to the eye, luckly I have to wear glasses to see something and this saved my eye from a very painfull hit…

So never overuse your string for vertax!
Title: Re: Is diaboling dangerous? (overuse injuries)
Post by: JimmyCords. on August 15, 2008, 11:44:44 AM
Don't throw your diabolo into the big spikey bush next to where you diabolo. Hahahah I won this round spikey bush.
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