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Title: Editing Videos
Post by: Spink on June 07, 2005, 12:51:13 PM
Hi folks,

I have just got a new pc and us ponte lot are making our first video.

What do people use / recommend we use??

excuse my spelling i am english :wink:
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: seán_ on June 07, 2005, 01:19:30 PM
The daddy of editing programs is Premiere (not a cheap option however)

You might get somewhere  with the program supplied with your PC or camera, or from a program available on the net. (speaking of which, there are a few programs mentioned in the TMPGEnc (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=136) thread that aspiring video makers should look into. Also have a look at
What makes for an interesting diabolo video? (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=653&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=) just for general thoughts on making interesting videos
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: MattF on June 07, 2005, 02:02:17 PM
i agree with Sean, Adobe premiere is great, and it also works in conjunction with all the other adobe programs.

For example, if you want to import a PSD file that you have created in Adobe Photoshop, it can be done really easily and you can apply all sorts of funky transitions etc.

Matt
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: JGherkin on June 07, 2005, 02:43:24 PM
I can't afford Premiere or find anyone who minds me borrowin it so if you're in the same position you could do what I do and just use Windows Movie Maker...I don't see why alot of people seem to hate it, I wouldn't say my videos turn out particularly bad  :wink:
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Sean on June 07, 2005, 02:55:31 PM
A more affordable option than Premiere Pro is Premiere Elements (http://www.adobe.com/products/premiereel/main.html), which is meant for home users, and as such is much much less expensive while being almost as powerful (and certainly far more than powerful enough for what we're doing). You can buy a copy of it for about $100 US. I used Premiere Elements for that "Smile" video.

I edited and assembled my entire first video, Sean Diabolo video #1, using nothing but TMPGEnc (an MPEG converter, cutter, and joiner). Yeap, not doing that again... but it can be done. :roll:
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: kno on June 07, 2005, 03:14:19 PM
I prefer "Magix Video Deluxe 2005" it's cheaper than Adobe Premiere and the handling is simpler


Pinnacle Studio is also a very good program!
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: martijn on June 07, 2005, 03:31:12 PM
I'm still using Windows Movie Maker :P but I'll hope to learn how to use Adobe Premiere soon...
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: JGherkin on June 07, 2005, 04:47:36 PM
I did get given pinnacle Studio at one point, but at the time I had a camera which took videos that it couldn't use...so I got rid of it...but now I've got a diff camera and probably also a method that works of changing the video type to be compatible...it did look a good program tho, plenty of aweseom effects and transitions  :)
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Elmeri on June 07, 2005, 05:18:44 PM
I used to use WMM but nowadays it tilts my computer if I even try to put there any of my vids...

I´m using different programs...

  I belive that I´ll make my first longer (more than 2 tricks  :D ) vid this summer... It´ll (hopely) include at least 3d low siteswamps (probably 3d high, cant do yet), some 1d tricks/combos and some tricky 2d stuff (I´m working on my 2d armsuicide, I can´t yet explain it but it´s quite hard, I´ve succeed in it twice [it includes armstall, 2 suicides and late backwrap exit] it´s mae from one my invented 1d trick, which is much easier). And some basic stuff (mostly)... This was supposed to be a hard-to-read message, because I haven´t done almost anythis for this project and I´m buying new camera sometime in this summer, I´ll start working on vids after I get it...   :)  But we´ll see if I manage to do something...
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Spink on June 08, 2005, 12:19:26 PM
cheers guys i hope to 'buy' premiere tonight.  :wink:

(WMM is already on the windows cd right?)
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: trash on June 08, 2005, 02:48:51 PM
Nobody knows 'Vegas' by Sony (ex Sonic Foundry) which is a real good software. It doesn't crash like Premiere, or Windows Movie Maker or Pinnacle.
You can find some tutorials on the net.

If you're editing sounds, you probably know Soundforge by Sony and so you understand that Vegas is a good software. Search on the net if you want more informations about it.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Dracodragon on June 08, 2005, 02:58:07 PM
Quote from: Martijn
I'm still using Windows Movie Maker :P but I'll hope to learn how to use Adobe Premiere soon...


Hehe, I am using that too.... although ive never released any long or edited videos. I might make one soon if I can get a theme.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: eggy900 on June 08, 2005, 03:58:37 PM
i use windows movie maker sometimes too, but only when i can't get on my dad's laptop to use pinacle
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Marc on August 24, 2005, 04:26:59 PM
I was looking for some editing software and looking at the forum adobe dose some good programs. Dose anyone know if Adobe Premiere Elements is good because I might buy it if it is.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Will^ on August 24, 2005, 05:16:41 PM
Quote from: Sean
A more affordable option than Premiere Pro is Premiere Elements (http://www.adobe.com/products/premiereel/main.html), which is meant for home users, and as such is much much less expensive while being almost as powerful (and certainly far more than powerful enough for what we're doing). You can buy a copy of it for about $100 US. I used Premiere Elements for that "Smile" video.


No offence but a little reading wouldn't hurt. I'm only deducing here, and correct me if I wrong, but I think it's pretty clear that Sean is happy with his purchase of Elements. :)
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Matt_ on August 24, 2005, 05:45:47 PM
i use Premiere Pro (friend of mine's sister got it for free and gave it to me :O ), and it rules. Adobe's "elements" line is designed to give you what you need for most tasks, but taking out the professional stuff. like Sean said, Elements is definitely more than what you need, which makes it an excellent choice. good for school projects or anything else you need to edit video for too :)
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: g0t on August 24, 2005, 08:48:58 PM
Quote from: trash
Nobody knows 'Vegas' by Sony (ex Sonic Foundry) which is a real good software. It doesn't crash like Premiere, or Windows Movie Maker or Pinnacle.
You can find some tutorials on the net.

If you're editing sounds, you probably know Soundforge by Sony and so you understand that Vegas is a good software. Search on the net if you want more informations about it.


Good choice ;), i use Vegas too. Its a great program u can import psd files too, just like with Premiere pro etc. Its pretty easy to learn, and u can do alot of things with it. I make my (game/frag)movies with it... I recommend it.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Marc on December 19, 2005, 07:19:31 PM
I have £100 to spend on video editing software and I have come to a conclusion from reading the ‘Editing Videos’ post and looking in the shops that I should buy Adobe (http://www.adobe.com/products/premiereel/main.html) Premiere Elements 2.0 or Pinnacle (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/uk/Products/Consumer+Products/Home+Video/Studio+Family/Studio+MediaSuite+version+10.htm) Studio Media Suite version 10.
Has anyone had any experiences with these programs and which one do you think is best for making juggling and diaboloing videos?
Thank you
Marc
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Matt_ on December 23, 2005, 08:34:32 AM
mod edit - in response to some now deleted posts by other members promoting software piracy -->
now we wait for diabolo.ca to get shut down by Adobe's lawsuits  :roll:
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: seán_ on December 23, 2005, 01:02:44 PM
Fair point Matt_

on behalf the Mod team let me say that the diabolo.ca forum does not condone the illegal use of software.  You wouldnt go into a shop and take a bar of chocolate (as I usd to say when I taught).

There are other options, the software that comes with your opeating systems, programs that have a trial offer, opensource software etc. etc.

Seán

P.s. Internet downloading is killing home taping
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: nev on December 23, 2005, 01:37:18 PM
Quote from: seán_
P.s. Internet downloading is killing home taping


HA HA HA HA HA

As Seán said though, there is plenty of opensource software about which, although not as good as commercial software, will get the job done.  No matter what software you use, the finished product is only as good as the time you put in to editing it (which explains my crap videos). :wink:

Alternitavly you can download trail versions of the major commercial packages including Adobe Premier 7 here www.computervideo.net/software.html
which will let you try before you buy (recommended - I once tried a copy of Pinacle which was at the time the industry leader, found it to be crap for me - loads of functions but too complex to use unless you spent months learning it - thus saved a few hundred quid by not buying it).

Some freeware editors can be found here

www.freewarefiles.com/cat_6_74_Video-Players-Editors.html
http://www.tucows.com/downloads/Windows/AudioVideo/Video/VideoEditors/
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Matt_ on December 23, 2005, 10:43:48 PM
i dunno, i just checked Amazon, go get Premiere Elements for 89 USD or Vegas Video for 80USD. i feel pretty lucky that i got Premiere Pro 1.5 for free ($700 software!!)
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: fredo on December 25, 2005, 02:31:16 PM
Hi guys,

I know it's a bit off topic, but what cameras do you guys use? E.g. Feel good inc. and the Circusplanet 05 video have a great quality... i've got a Panasonic NV-Gs 75, it's a quite good camera and I was really disappointed when loading my first video on the pc.

I haven't tried a direct output into avi (without compression), maybe it's just because of the bad software (Windows Movie maker and the Standard Panasonic software)?

Thx Fredo
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Matt_ on December 25, 2005, 07:54:44 PM
i use a sony DCR-HC21, it was pretty cheap (and check out the gunn video for the quality).

remember, always ALWAYS use firewire to rip the DV video. that's the only way to go ;)
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: fredo on December 25, 2005, 09:58:27 PM
Yeah I thought about this, it's because of the cable! The USB sucks! I don't have a FireWire output... Maybe a AV-cable or a S-Video would work? What's better? Or is the DV-cable the best?

EDIT: OK i see... I've to buy a DV-cable... that's the best...because it's FireWire :D ANd what about the S-video? That's not as good as the firewire of course, but what experiences do youv have with it?
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Matt_ on December 26, 2005, 12:02:36 AM
well, Svideo sucks. all you need is DV/firewire/1394 whatever you want to call it.

the camera films in digital. DV transfers it in digital. you edit in digital. no quality loss thus far. then you can encode it and send it on its way.

if the camera films in digital...then you transfer it in Svideo..that's an analog signal. so it has to go digital-->analog then get encoded from the analog back to digital, which is a quality loss.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: fredo on December 26, 2005, 10:00:08 AM
Thank you, I just ordered a DV-Cable...
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: fredo on January 07, 2006, 04:03:38 PM
OK things just cleared up and I thought I should share it for those who don't know (as I did):

The quality with USB is the same as with Firewire!! But you have to follow one of those ways when copying your film from your camcorder to your pc (with a MiniDV-Camcorder at least)

1.) Software x with FireWire > Editing with Software x (mustn't be the same as the "x" before)

2.) The Original Software (which is delivered with your camcorder) with USB > Editing with Software x

Just follow one of these ways and everything's OK  :) I just wanted to spare you all the problems and loads of support mails I had...
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: eggy900 on January 07, 2006, 07:48:44 PM
does anyone know how to do the four videos at once effect as seen at the end of diabology, by using sony vegas?

any help would be greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: martijn on January 08, 2006, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: eggy900
does anyone know how to do the four videos at once effect as seen at the end of diabology, by using sony vegas?

If you want 2 or more clips played at the same time, you have to put each of them in a seperate video track. They have to be played simultaneously. Then, you will have to resize the clips to let them fit all into one screen. You can do this by using the Event Pan/Crop tool. If you zoom in on the videoclip, it's the little icon in the right corner (above the Event FX tool), or you can just select the clip and click Tools>Video>Video Event Pan/Crop.

Hope that helped :) good luck!
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: fredo on January 12, 2006, 12:26:04 PM
If you guys are talking of Soy Vegas, what do you mean? The full version or the Vegas Movie Studio?

And what is actually better? Vegas or Premiere? (And inbetween them the Vegas 6 or Movie Studio / Premiere Pro or Premiere Elements?) Are the smaller versions enough?

What is easier to learn?
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: martijn on January 12, 2006, 12:50:32 PM
Quote from: fredo
1) If you guys are talking of Soy Vegas, what do you mean?

2) And what is actually better? Vegas or Premiere?

3) What is easier to learn?

1) If I am talking about Vegas, I mean Sony Vegas 6.
2) I think they're the same, they are different in features (transitions, effects..) but they are both of excellent quality (I think :))
3) I found Vegas easier to learn, but if you'll ask a Premiere-user, he'll probably say he found Premiere much easier :P

So basicly, try both, and see what you like most.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Matt_ on January 12, 2006, 08:16:36 PM
let me tell you, Premiere Pro and Vegas Pro (or whatever the l33t version is called) are wayyyy overkill for juggling videos. unless, i guess, you're going to make the Sin City of diabolo videos (i.e. super post production, filmed entirely on green screen, a new level of visual techniques, etc).

luckily there are the "cheap" versions of each of those that have plenty of features. personally i think Premiere is easier, Martijn is right, i guess since i've used Premiere for a few years (since 6.0) i feel more comfortable with it. i tried Vegas once and it didn't really do it for me.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Shawn Fumo on January 13, 2006, 10:15:36 PM
As far as audio editing goes, check out Audacity. Very nice and open source.

One nice thing about Premiere (not sure if it is in the non-pro version) is a mini-after effects capability. So you could do something like put in an arrow and animate it following the motion of something. Pretty helpful in certain instructional cases.

As far as free video editors go, most of them seem to be on linux at the moment. Something people may want to check out is Dyne:bolic:
http://dynebolic.dyne.org/

It is a linux system that boots up from a cd and comes with several linux video editors like LiVES, Kino and Cinelerra, as well as other apps. I haven't tried it yet, but seems like it could be cool. One possible sticking point is I think it needs FAT32 instead of NTFS if you want to read and write from the windows paritions, but I'll have to look into that more.

As for USB on cameras, some may support full quality through the USB port but many will only do a lower quality version through USB. I think the issue is that for many consumer cameras they use USB1 so you can do stuff like a webcam, but they don't want to spend more on USB2 for full quality since there's already the firewire port. But if you're buying a DV cable, make sure you have a firewire card or that your motherboard comes with it already supported, or else you'll need to buy a card too.

Shawn
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Shawn Fumo on January 13, 2006, 10:25:06 PM
Oh, and if there's anyone here that has a bit of a programmer's outlook or doesn't mind making scripts, Avisynth is really powerful:
http://www.avisynth.org/

For instance, that effect mentioned earlier where you have the screen split into four videos is pretty easy to do with Avisynth. There's also many plugins for stuff like higher quality slow motion, stablization (de-shaking), and various other stuff. I did this gradual slowmo effect (http://www.yoyoing.com/shawn/videofiles/avisynth/step7slow/example1_xvid.avi) using avisynth, some plugins, and a function I wrote.

Using Virtualdub's reload video feature, you can kind of get an editing environment going, though it still isn't as suited for editing something to music. But for specific effects or for processing before final compression (a lot of the free compressors use avisynth for input), it can be helpful. Can spend way too much time on Doom9's forums fussing with various avisynth related stuff if you aren't careful though.. ;)

Shawn
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Matt_ on January 14, 2006, 09:02:34 AM
man, ramped slow-mo is sweet. i remember doing it for skate videos back in the day using Premiere 6.5 to edit and...dun dun dun...Adobe After Effects. the only thing i ever figured out how to do in after effects was ramped slowmo :p
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Shawn Fumo on January 21, 2006, 03:20:54 AM
Hah cool. I didn't know After Effects could do ramped slow-mo, but it makes sense that it could. When I learned After Effects at school, I used it mostly for some animation effects. That program really does have a cool interface on it. Now that adobe bought macromedia, maybe they can make flash's interface a little more... coherant.. ;)

Shawn
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: busk on March 24, 2006, 03:22:24 PM
hey guys! i have lot of questions about video editing, but for the moment the only i remember are those 4:

- my camera is a canon MV800 i don't know if it's a good quality camera, but when i put the videos on my computer the videos looks more dark than the video showed on the screen of the camera..how can i set my camera for make video at home?

- when i make video at the outside the camera doesn't record colors very well..i mean..the video has color, but it's all very sad, its like all quite grey have you understand?

- i want to exit from the hole of windows movie maker... there are some video editing software open source available on the web? or i have to buy software like sony vegas or pinnacle studio?

- movie maker sucks! when i take an high quality video from another video already edited (an example..a part of the best of year of capitaine busson) movie maker save the part on my computer with a worst quality of the original, although i have ordered to movie maker to save it with the best quality possible.

Argh i NEED to make a video!

thanks! and sorry my english!
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: _Matz_ on January 08, 2007, 03:24:36 PM
i was wondering, when i was making a 2d backwraptutorial, how to put text to frames, and it looks like film is going on  and there's text. im using pinnacle 9. tips? sorry my englisah isn't too good, but i wan't get some help to make better videos.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: martijn on January 08, 2007, 05:22:32 PM
You don't need to make another 2d backwrap tutorial. Have a look at mine: http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=53.msg9092#msg9092
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: _Matz_ on January 08, 2007, 07:06:06 PM
i mean backwrap start. it's ready, but i'm asking for that editing. how to put text, when movie is playing on? i  can explain it on english very well.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: martijn on January 08, 2007, 08:15:02 PM
Google is your friend. There are plenty of tutorials on basic and advanced feautures of any video editing program you can think of. I learned by trying it out, I didn't learn from posting in here.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Paino on June 21, 2008, 07:43:42 PM
i want to get one but which one ive been useing windoes movie maker and it is crap so i want a good but simple one
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Niclas on June 21, 2008, 08:24:41 PM
I use Pinnacle studio 8 but plane to buy Studio 11
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: fzzyrn on June 21, 2008, 08:31:22 PM
sony vegas. I think v8. I know martjin uses it too
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Jonny_ on June 21, 2008, 08:59:26 PM
windows movie maker... anyone know a good free editor?
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Paino on June 21, 2008, 09:56:36 PM
<deleted - please keep it legal>
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Hathaway on June 21, 2008, 10:41:42 PM
<deleted by Sean to keep it legal>
Yeah cos thats nice and legal... Just the sort of thing to advertise!
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Alex! on June 22, 2008, 12:09:40 AM
Yeah cos thats nice and legal... Just the sort of thing to advertise!
Lol who cares
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: fzzyrn on June 22, 2008, 12:27:45 AM
big business does, and we all know who runs the government
but seriously, for liability reasons, i seriously recommend that you edit your last post, Paino
and remove the quote, hathaway

we wouldn't want d.ca to get shut down would we?
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Squiggle on June 22, 2008, 02:53:28 AM
Sony vegas [Any version, shoot for 6+]



Tried one by Adobe at school (Not sure on version) and just hated how it was set out/how you did stuff. Perhaps that's because I'm used to Vegas.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Sean on June 22, 2008, 07:09:32 AM
Paino, I merged your thread to this thread. You may find some answers within. There are some free video editing programs (most of those I can think of are for linux), but I don't think any of them match the quality of the pay programs.

If you have a mac, it comes with iMovie, which is quite decent. If you get more serious about it, you'll appreciate something more complex. All the big video editing packages also have a home version which is fairly inexpensive, especially if you are a student. They have most of the power of their bigger siblings at a fraction of the cost.

Remember, almost all of what makes a good video has more to do with tasteful decisions and good filming than fancy editing. Even windows movie maker can get you there, albeit with a few extra headaches along the way.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Kingsid3 on June 22, 2008, 01:07:52 PM
If you are at school they can do deals with Adobe and microsoft and the likes and you can get huge discounts. I can Photoshop CS3 for £200 not £1200! Its really good, peolpe like RM do it and stuff.
Title: Rendering videos in Vegas
Post by: Marijn on October 13, 2008, 09:46:32 PM
*BUMP!*

So, I started using Sony Vegas (7.0) but I have a problem with rendering video's. I import my clips the way they are when I upload them to my pc from my Sony camcorder (MPEG-2, right??). After a little bit of editing etc. I decide to render and see what it will look like full screen... but whatever ''output-filetype'' I choose (.mpg/.mp4/.mov/.avi/.wmv/. *and so on*) it just doesn't work. The video renders in less than 1second and it results in a 0seconds unviewable file. I also tried all kinds of different ''templates'' etc. when choosing an output-fileype, but I just can't get it done.

*heeelp, I need somebody, heeeelp, not just anybody, heeeelp* :-*
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: martijn on October 13, 2008, 09:56:11 PM
Have you tried unchecking the box "render loop region only" in the render as menu? You might have selected only a very small loop region by accident. Try unchecking that box and tell me what happens if you render.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Jonny_ on October 13, 2008, 10:01:34 PM
I use camtasia but windows movie maker is probably better even though you have to pay for camtasia but i got it free
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Marijn on October 13, 2008, 10:09:43 PM
Have you tried unchecking the box "render loop region only" in the render as menu? You might have selected only a very small loop region by accident. Try unchecking that box and tell me what happens if you render.

That probably was the problem :)

Is 8 minutes rendering for a 45s vid usual?
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: martijn on October 13, 2008, 10:15:27 PM
That depends on the output and the specs of your computer. Uncompressed avi doesn't take that long and that's what you want anyways :)
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Marijn on October 13, 2008, 10:28:37 PM
Ok I tried another .avi-template and it renders way faster now.

One last technical question though (the editing wise stuff I can figure out myself :) ): When I render as .avi I get a problem with ''lines''. I think this has something to do with deinterlacing (or something like that ::)). Has this something to do with the template I chose when I rendered (I think I picked PAL DV for the fast render, default and NTSC were veeeery slow). I can't really find the reason for this ''lines'' by using google >____>.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: martijn on October 13, 2008, 10:32:51 PM
Yup, that means your video is interlaced and that's perfectly healthy. You will need to deinterlace and compress your video before you put it on the internet. Deinterlacing with the bob+weave method described at www.100fps.com (http://www.100fps.com) - which is all you need to know about (de)interlacing - gives the best results. You want to compress with H.264.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Marijn on October 13, 2008, 10:44:09 PM
Nice, I'm gonna give that a try!

Thanks a lot :)

EDIT: Nevermind VirtualDub gives
Avisynth open failure
Script error: syntax error
(C:\path\to\my\file.avs, line X, column X)

so i'll figure all of this out in my holidays next month, since 100fps .avs FAQ doesn't answer :P Seems like there is a problem with AVIsynth although I am pretty sure everything is installed correctly etc.. Google confuses me since much discussion about this seems to go about other DVDrips and other application-things
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Marijn on October 15, 2008, 06:40:18 PM
I did some google-searching, but I ain't got no answers :( Maybe someone can clear it up for me?

Problem is that I can open my .avs file:
(http://i33.tinypic.com/6jd7yv.jpg)


I've first read the ''FAQ'' on this problem on 100fps (http://www.100fps.com/avsproblems.htm) but it didn't provide me with an answer.


The video plays normaly in both VLC and WMP, and is a normal .avi:
(http://i33.tinypic.com/wbuser.jpg)


The .avs is written o.k., I think:
(http://i33.tinypic.com/126fdhh.jpg)

VirtualDub is installed (see screenshot of error)


DivX is installed:
(http://i33.tinypic.com/5u2su1.jpg)


AviSynth is installed properly, I think:
(http://i34.tinypic.com/izrgj4.jpg)


Any thoughts??
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Sean on October 15, 2008, 07:36:46 PM
It's saying there is a syntax error in your line 1. Nothing more.

What if you make the file reference local?

For example:
AVISource("preview.avi")

(of course you'll have to make sure the file is in the same folder as the script)

Saves the trouble of making sure you got the absolute reference and all the syntax perfect. Ones you've tried that troubleshooting, you could try making the "C" in C:\ lowercase as in the 100fps example. First, try a local reference.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Marijn on October 15, 2008, 07:43:03 PM
I've already done that, this longer reference was to avoid the failed AVISource(''preview.avi'') (with.avs in same directory as .avi)  :-\
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: martijn on October 15, 2008, 07:43:41 PM
Could you render a 1 second video for me and pass it over via e-mail or mediafire?
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: martijn on October 15, 2008, 08:45:23 PM
That's weird - it opens up just fine if I drag the avs file into Virtualdub.

AVISource("Untitled.avi")
separatefields

DivX's got nothing to do with this. If you've tried putting both in the same directory, the file location isn't the problem either. I don't think you'll need the Panasonic DV codec for this either, since it's an uncompressed avi file... so I don't know :(
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Marijn on October 15, 2008, 09:23:01 PM
Mmm, crap. Thanks for the effort anyway :P
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Marijn on November 29, 2008, 03:49:10 PM
I have this file:
(http://i34.tinypic.com/e9hrup.jpg)

I wanna render a 16:9 movie. I've tried it with these settings:
(http://i35.tinypic.com/epf0x3.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2i95t2w.jpg)

The file that is rendered doesn't show up in 16:9, but in 4:3 (I guess....). When I play it in VLC and select 16:9 it looks fine, but with black bars. When I play it on ''standard'' in VLC it shows a 4:3 that looks kinda deformed (I look skinny and tall ::))

Also, when I upload it to youtube for instance it doesn't show as a 16:9 video.

I also tried to render it with a ''custom'' template with a 1.4220pixel aspect ratio (par???).
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Loriot on November 29, 2008, 05:06:12 PM
Try to set the Pixel aspect ratio 1:1 and size the video to 1024:576, which will give you an 16:9 output of the video file (The 16:9 format for YouTube has to be done with the right ratio of the pixels instead of the aspect ratio of the pixel itself).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbob4Pw1Z2k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbob4Pw1Z2k) This is a reuploaded version of my video and it just worked with 1024:576. I tried out 720:576 with the right aspect ratio of 16:9 but it won't work for me.
Hope it made sense what I wrote.
For further question in videorendering I think http://forum.doom9.org/ (http://forum.doom9.org/) is the best adress in the net.
Search also Wikipedia for the right understanding of aspect ratio and all the other very complicated things in videorendering :P.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Marijn on November 30, 2008, 04:40:14 PM
Thanks Loriot, that was very helpfull!
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Monregi on December 04, 2008, 08:33:40 PM
Hi people, let´s have the things in order:

DvPal/D1: 720x576 PixelAspect: 1,07     4:3
DvPalWideScreen:  720 x 576 Pixel Aspect: 1,42     16:9
DvPalSqpixel: 768 x 576 Pixel Aspect: 1                  4:3
DvPalWideScreenSqpixel: 1024 x 576 Pixel Aspect 1    16:9

All this formats are interlaced fields [with lower(even) field dominance], 25fps.

Interlacing is important when tv broadcasting but not when playing in computer, so you must deinterlace for not line dropping and flicking.

You must be shure your sequence settings while editing match like the media settings cause mixing formats makes video streching or scaling it up because of the aspect ratio.
Normally edition programs like FCP, Vegas, even Premiere ask you if you wanna match your sequence settings to clip´s settings and then there is no problem but....make sure. Avid media composer user must say what kind of aspect ratio when they are importing media to the proyect so...Try with photoshop to mix different aspect ratios(drawin for example a circle and moving it up to another pixel aspect ratio document)and see what happens there.(For after effects and shake or nuke editor users it´s never gonna happen cause you can change there the correlation of the aspect ratio in the main composition)
Goodbye SD (PAL one, i´m sorry for ntsc users)

Welcome to the HD world in the next One.
Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: Diabolo88 on August 10, 2010, 10:45:50 PM
Just got my camera (YES!! 8)). What would be the easiest program to start with (I know absolutely nothing about computers and/or editing and will sound stupid asking all of this)? Does WMM do the job? What's the best and what's the simplest (so I know where to start-go to at least)?

Oh effects I would want to try I think would be playing backwards and slow-mo so a program that does that well would be good. Adding music to everything too ofc.

Title: Re: Editing Videos
Post by: luabduch on August 11, 2010, 12:32:57 AM
I use Ulead Video studio cause my pc don't run really good programs like Sony Vegas.

Ulead is really easy to work, try it.

=D
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