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Title: Infinite suicides
Post by: kragen on November 18, 2004, 02:23:28 PM
Mod edit: I split this from the [trick] Genocides - Mini Genocides (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=64) thread to allow them both to develop: Seán_

Also, whats the trick where your only holding one handstick and the other is orbiting around the diabolo, continuouly.

I call it continuous suicides, but what do I know :)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: MattF on November 18, 2004, 03:51:07 PM
Its just a standard genocide, or infinate suicide.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Sean on November 18, 2004, 04:59:00 PM
Quote from: kragen
Also, whats the trick where your only holding one handstick and the other is orbiting around the diabolo, continuouly.

That would be commonly referred to as the "infinite suicide" I believe. My understanding is that a genocide refers to any trick in which a diabolo is released from the string and recaptured in a wrap while only holding one stick. So, yes you can do a genocide from an infinite suicide (as Antonin of France is a master at doing), but no that's not easy. ;)

When you stop and think about it, the terminology that has been adopted for many diabolo tricks is just plain strange.

Sean
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: kragen on November 19, 2004, 12:52:43 AM
lol - strange but making a lot more sense now :)

How do you go about learning infinite suicides anyway? I've got a load of video to look at and im fairly sure how its done, but so far my attempts at actualy doing the infinite suicide have all failed :(
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: |}{| Julian |}{| on November 19, 2004, 01:12:35 AM
I have problems doing the infinite suicide as well.  Everytime I try to get it going, the diabolo wraps up the string and whips the swinging stick around.  I've actually broken carbon sticks before when I wrapped up so fast and hard :cry: .  What am I doing wrong?  What is the correct way to get into it?  Thanks!

Julian
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Arjan on November 19, 2004, 04:57:07 AM
Do it gentle. You don`t need a fast spinning diabolo. make the move rond, but hold on the top for the diabolo to go a little bit down, and for the stick to come around.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: norbi on November 19, 2004, 10:33:08 AM
1) hold the string out horizontal, with the diabolo closer to the right stick, completely unwrapped
2) backwrap (string wrap (what you would do for the classic stringclimb) the diabolo with you right hand. Just as you go underneath the diabolo, let go of the left stick, just let go.
3) as the left stick gets about 180 degrees around (horizontal but on the right hand side of the right stick) tug the right stick upwards quite gently and rewrap the diabolo.
4) this will cause the stick to swing around again. Do the same thing next time

So are continually rewrapping the diabolo to keep the swinging stick swinging. Keep the diabolo as high/as close to the right stick as possible.

If anyone just about understands this but would like something to look at. i WILL make a video, including the start. No doubt i will also inlude some classic or newer variations.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: kragen on November 19, 2004, 11:58:40 AM
thanks for the tips, I'll let you know how I do as soon as ive got some space to practice :P
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Sean on November 19, 2004, 01:56:04 PM
It took me ages to learn this trick. I was hopeless at it until Matt Hall explained one thing to me: The motion is not uniformly circular. You spend perhaps 80% of your time on the upstroke and then quickly whip around to start pulling up again. The upstroke is slow and well... pulling straight up. Watch the hand motion of someone doing this trick very carefully. There is a definite rhythm to it.

If the diabolo is winding up on you it means you are starting to recircle the diabolo too early - or in other words, your upstroke isn't long enough or slow enough. If the diabolo falls down the string or off the string then you aren't performing the rewrap section quickly enough or early enough.

A friend of mine can only start an infinite suicide from a stopover with one stick dropped. You start swinging this around the stick you are holding and then let the string fall off the end of the stick and form a wrap. I believe it may be easier to start this way - it prevents you from having to learn the exact rhythm and motion necessary to start the pattern - which may the hardest part.

Sean
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: seán_ on November 19, 2004, 02:20:03 PM
This trick is sided isn't it? by that I mean if you do it in one direction you will keep the diabolo spinning, the other direction will take speed away (also dependant on what wrap is on the diabolo).

When I try it from a left side genocide I know it generally stacks quite quickly.

Seán_
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Sean on November 19, 2004, 04:41:18 PM
Quote from: seán_
This trick is sided isn't it?

Yes, very one sided. The action adds considerable speed to the diabolo. You can start with a wrapped diabolo on the ground, pick it up in an infinite suicide with one handstick and accelerate it. The longer you spend on the upstroke the greater the acceleration. Of course, you could do it with either hand - as long as you are holding the correct stick.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Martijn on November 19, 2004, 04:59:43 PM
Quote from: |}{|  Julian  |}{|
I have problems doing the infinite suicide as well.  Everytime I try to get it going, the diabolo wraps up the string and whips the swinging stick around.  I've actually broken carbon sticks before when I wrapped up so fast and hard :cry: .

I also had this problem. But I use wooden sticks for crazy tricks like infinite suicide, so it won't break that easy... (I've broken 2 pair of carbon sometimes, so from now on I hate those sticks :wink: ) I struggled with it for a long while. But finally I got it. Start with a non-spinning diabolo, (or a diabolo which spins very very slow) so it won't wrap up any more. Then make the hand-movement very slow, Just like Sean said: You spend perhaps 80% of your time on the upstroke and then quickly whip around to start pulling up again.
And perhaps you use a very weared string. That isn't helping...

Good luck! 8)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: |}{| Julian |}{| on November 20, 2004, 12:00:58 AM
Great, thanks for all the tips!  I'll give it a try at the club on Monday (no room here at home).  Marijn, I know what you mean about the carbon sticks.  I hate it when they break :x , but I've found you can glue them back together many times with a cyanoacrylate glue (crazy glue).  I love them and could never go back to wooden sticks.

Julian
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Sean on November 20, 2004, 03:57:00 AM
Quote from: |}{|  Julian  |}{|
the carbon sticks...I love them and could never go back to wooden sticks.

Amen to that! ;) But, come on... join the aluminium side: the benefits of the carbon sticks but no risk of breakage and less string usage. You know you want to...

Anyway, I was looking on my harddrive to see if I had any old closeup footage of me doing an infinite suicide that might illustrate the pause on the upstroke and the rhythm. Didn't find much, but I did find two short clips which I quickly put together with some catchy music. I tried recording them in slow motion, but the interlaced effects on the video make it shake all over the place and make it generally hard to look at, so this will have to do. In particular, have a look at the 5 to 6 second mark. I think that's the best segment in terms of the ideal hand motion.

http://diabolo.ca/video/temp/sean_1d_infinite_suicides_TEMP.mpg (1.6mb)

(I know what some of you are thinking: Sean's showing a video of him doing a one diabolo trick - I thought he could only diabolo with 2 on the string at once!? Well, I'll have you notice that the first trick is a 2 diabolo entry and the second clip starts with 2 diabolos but I'm in the middle of dropping one. So there.)

Sean
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: |}{| Julian |}{| on November 20, 2004, 08:00:44 AM
Hey thanks for that Sean.  Nice to see the proper motion.  I'll give it a try.  Great music by the way!  I guess I'll have to give aluminum handsticks a try.  I'm on my second set of carbon handsticks in just over a year as I've re-glued my first set way too many times.  Last time they snapped there was nothing left of one.   :lol:  Ciao,

Julian
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: kragen on November 20, 2004, 12:27:06 PM
lol - thanks sean,

I dont know about alumilium handsticks, I've got wooden and alu handsticks atm, and my alu ones are bent!!

I cant use the wooden sticks because the string doesnt slip off the end easily enough and grinds are no good, im waiting for some glass fibre or carbon fibre sticks.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Martin on November 20, 2004, 10:37:23 PM
Ive actually just discovered an alternative one from fritz realise ...

its not too bad, u can catch the stick straight into the throw.

cool
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: seán_ on November 20, 2004, 10:43:00 PM
Quote from: Martin
Ive actually just discovered an alternative one from fritz realise ...

its not too bad, u can catch the stick straight into the throw.

cool


Will have to see it tomorrow in Leeds, (where I'll have more height than I have to play about with infinite suicides)

Any chance of a better description on your method Martin?

Seán_
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: kragen on November 25, 2004, 01:54:37 PM
im struggling with this one, I think i understand the motion but whenever I try it the diablo just seems to drop off the string, no matter how quickly I rewrap it, I think my method of getting into it is wrong...
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Sean on November 25, 2004, 02:58:14 PM
Quote from: kragen
whenever I try it the diablo just seems to drop off the string, no matter how quickly I rewrap it, I think my method of getting into it is wrong...

It starts from a normal backwrap - the one usually used for acceleration. So, if you are right handed, the wrap consists of wrapping the diabolo with the right hand on the cup closest to the body. You would then swing the diabolo from left to right to get into it.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Eduardo on November 25, 2004, 04:04:28 PM
I'm struggling with this one also... Do you need to throw the left stick or just releasing should do?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Sean on November 25, 2004, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: Eduardo
Do you need to throw the left stick or just releasing should do?

Release it while swinging the diabolo to the right with the right stick. The first part is the hardest. Once you get into the infinite part it gets much easier. I think I would describe the part where you release the stick somewhat slow and relaxed but then you must quickly wrap back around the diabolo at one point to get into the 'infinite' position.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: kragen on November 25, 2004, 04:46:28 PM
ah cool, gonna need to give that another go once its light again...

damm winter...
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Punkerpanda on January 09, 2005, 11:15:35 PM
i know this is an old thread, but i was playing around with infinit suicides today at my local juggling club and i was wondering, what kind of variations are possible?

i've come up with switching hands, which i have been told looks nice, the good ol' walking around the whole mess

also, i've seen a very interesing thing from vux, on diabology. he puts the stick in a position so it does an inverse trapeze(magic knot) for you, then throws it up, does a genocide and continues doing infinit suicides, i only got the catch once, and it hit my hand.

also, if i remember correctly, either erik or antonin on the MFP open stage at the EJC(i think that's where it was), he did infinit suicide and then stopped it with his foot or something.

on another note, could anybody explain to me what i should do for antonin's genocide from infinit suicides variation?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Sean on January 10, 2005, 03:57:41 AM
Quote from: Punkerpanda
...could anybody explain to me what i should do for antonin's genocide from infinit suicides variation?

Let the string start to unwrap. At the very last second before the diabolo falls off the string but you still have a bit of friction on the diabolo from the string, pull up hard to launch the diabolo. Let the stick continue to swing (if you're Antonin feel free to swing the stick on either side of your body for good measure) and re-wrap the diabolo as it falls.

Simple. :)

Sean
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: zzzzzzzzzzzz on January 14, 2005, 09:39:52 AM
Yeah.

Yesterday i tryed to do the infinitive suicide, and with the tips i've read here it's working (sometimes :P)

For me it was hard to find out how fast the diabolo should spin...

The only negative thing about infinitive suicides is that you need a quite large room... (can't wait till summer)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: kamikace on January 14, 2005, 11:33:28 AM
No problem, come to Spain, lol  8) (I´m just joking) :D
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: unenergized on January 31, 2005, 07:27:00 AM
I recently got infinite suicides, but the string always seems to wrap around my stick i'm holding. thus reducing the stringlength slowly but surely, i'm wondering is this common, or is my technique incorrect.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: barnesy on January 31, 2005, 09:27:05 AM
Hi unenergized, and welcome to the forum.

I've moved your post to this thread to we can keep posts on this subject together.  If you read the rest of the thread, maybe you'll get some useful help.  I'm not good at this trick, but I think you're letting the stick wrap around the diabolo each time it goes round - it's meant to wrap and unwrap each time.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: diabololi on January 31, 2005, 09:33:39 AM
Barnesy, I think you might have misunderstood him. When I do infinite suicides with wooden sticks, the string does slowly wrap around he tip of the stick, so I used carbon fibres. That fixes the problem.

Hope this helps
Oli
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: barnesy on January 31, 2005, 09:43:13 AM
Ah yes.  You're right, Oli.  I've seen people get that problem with wooden sticks when they use a knot that ties close to the stick.  I use a bowline, so there's a loop of string near the knot, allowing freer movement.  Sean_'s  profile image is a bowline.

I've got used to letting the string slip off the end of the stick (by tipping the stick forward a little) when doing continuous suns, or other tricks where the string could keep wrapping round the sticks.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: norbi on January 31, 2005, 09:47:56 AM
ah yes i have this problem, as i also use wooden sticks (that will be sorted in a week [my birthday on feb 8th, getting some short fiberglass]) But i have now developed a subconscious unwrap of the string, everytime i lift the stick, as it gets to its peak i let go of the stick for a splits second and it causes the stick to spin around quickly and undo the string. It's genious, and works great, see if you can work out what i mean.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Elmeri on January 31, 2005, 02:46:25 PM
For me inf. suicide wasn´t that difficult (maybe because of my heavy diabolos, in those days I used arlequinos, nowadays my principal are finesses, but I still use arles sometimes), usually I use trapezes/stopovers when I start them ( http://www.kolumbus.fi/diabolo/infsui.wmv ).
   But inf.suicide->genocide is quite difficult but little practice I think I´m able to do it... And some more practice I believe I migth be able to do inf.suicide->genocide->mini-geno..

My real problem rigth now could be continous mini-genos (like Diabolumberto does) they are much more difficult for me... And I haven´t done anything with one in few months (I wan´t to learn 3d), exept some horizontal stuff... (I can´t close excalibur suicide :evil: it allways stop or something stupid happens....) Sorry again ´bout my english and bad writing stuff.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Mattias on January 31, 2005, 04:58:24 PM
Quote from: norbi
my birthday on feb 8th.


Best...day...ever  :D

And yeah. Infinite sucides...*runs away*
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: MrBabache on June 09, 2005, 07:52:32 PM
Hi
Can someone explain how to do that trick?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: eggy900 on June 09, 2005, 08:39:58 PM
yes please do, i want to learn it too so that i can link it in with a genocide
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Mattias on June 09, 2005, 08:40:54 PM
Rather slow speed on the diabolo on an open string
Then wrap the diabolo and when the right stick is a 3 o'clock. Let go of your left stick and start rounding the diabolo with the right. You should do slow motions upwards and then fast downwards. Kind of make the shape of a half heart.

This aply if right is your dominant hand, and I guess you can figure my discription out if you're a lefty too

Hoped it helped
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: eggy900 on June 09, 2005, 08:44:30 PM
thanks, i will try that as soon as i get some new string
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: seán_ on June 09, 2005, 09:02:01 PM
plenty of pointers in this thread about infinite suicides.

Personally I found it helped me to have the stick pointing either towards the diabolo or towards the sky (depending on wether or not I'm running a short or long string), as I say maybe a personal thing, but when I have the stick horizontal I find this move harder.

@eggy: if you are doing this move from a genocide, you get a 'not so infinite suicide', the motion apears the same but the diabolo will slow down
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: ztt on June 09, 2005, 09:07:29 PM
i been doing diabolo with a broken arm and the only trick i can really do is an infernate suicide and just pulled off an infernate suicide to magic knot to genercide to infernate suicide again the infernate suicide stopped after 2 cycles though
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Spooned on June 10, 2005, 08:46:53 AM
Quote from: ztt
i been doing diabolo with a broken arm


 :shock: ?????
Why, not the most healthy thing to be doing, but the trick sounds cool, prehaps when your arm heals you could make a quick vid?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Dracodragon on June 10, 2005, 08:36:30 PM
Hmm. Is it possible to do infinate suicide with two.  I tried it and had the stick i wasnt holding orbiting both diabolos for at least two orbits, than it started spinning super fast and everything got out of control. I think this is infinate suicide with two, but maybe not, Im probably just kidding myself. If you guys want an explanation on how i tried it, i can try to explain.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: seán_ on June 10, 2005, 10:47:37 PM
In the first Leeds video, Mattf left in a clip of me trying an infinite suicide with 2d using the hyperloop suicide exit, keep putting the wrap on with the left as the right stick keeps suiciding, this is one way that people have tried infinite suicides with 2d, Your way sounds different so maybe an explanation or a video (possibly in a new thread to keep this one clear).
The hyperloop way is very tricky because of the speed it spins at, The best I have heard of with it is 3 revoutions with a catch (Martijn) and 4-5 revouotions with a catch (Tahia) bit of chatter about it here (http://diabolo.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?p=835#835))

Another way to do an infinite suicide with 2d was demonstrated by Priam at the BJC, he used an antisuicide but kept it going, he used bearing diabolos for this because he said with fixed axles one will loose spin.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Dracodragon on June 10, 2005, 11:13:16 PM
Yeah, sounds like you guys had the 2d infinite idea two. I tried from the hyperloop to suicide exit then to infinite suicide. I also had another idea on it which was not antiusicide, but then i dont think it will be infinite suicide anymore. That idea was to wrap both diabolos, let both sticks go, and somehow do a 1d infinite to the left and a 1d infinate to the right diabolo.  :shock:  Then again its probably not possible. Ive never tried it. Tell me if any of you guys actually pull it. I will be amazed!
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Spooned on June 11, 2005, 11:42:20 AM
Quote from: Dracodragon
That idea was to wrap both diabolos, let both sticks go, and somehow do a 1d infinite to the left and a 1d infinate to the right diabolo.  :shock:  Then again its probably not possible. Ive never tried it. Tell me if any of you guys actually pull it. I will be amazed!


So would i, i really think its beyond anyones capacity at this stage, maybe in the future.

edit: Look at diabolumbeto's trailer vid at 6secs - 7secs. Is that what you mean?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Chiok on June 11, 2005, 02:31:44 PM
Quote from: Spooned
edit: Look at diabolumbeto's trailer vid at 6secs - 7secs. Is that what you mean?
That does appear to be the pickle.

I tried to do it from a left bw and managed to get it for a couple of revolutions (looks awesome) but the right handstick comes round just too damn fast to catch, or if I did manage to catch it, could break my fingers!  I tried to do it from a left fw (or right bw) but I couldn't get the suicide to come around and when I tried to rewrap it for the infinite, the sprinkler imploded.  I guess thats cause you're moving  in the opposite direction to the sprinkler rotation.

Chiok
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: QUOTH on June 19, 2005, 11:30:19 AM
hey sean, i cant seem to see your vid, is it just me or has it gone?  :?

my problem with the infinite suidcides sre it droping down the string[main problem] or wrapping up. im using henries jazz,and henries string.

i think its just down to me being new and my string is nackered.

anyone got any tips for tricks for me to try to get used to doing infinite suicides[apart from suicides, obviously :p].


btw, hi everyone, im new :)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Sean on June 19, 2005, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: QUOTH
hey sean, i cant seem to see your vid, is it just me or has it gone?

Yeah, it was gone. I uploaded it again temporarily (http://diabolo.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?p=533#533) for you. It's a low quality video and there are probably much better examples out there now.

In terms of advice to keep the diabolo from sliding down or wrapping up my best advice would be in this message (http://diabolo.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?p=500#500).

Welcome to the forum. :D
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: QUOTH on June 19, 2005, 02:44:51 PM
thankyou :)

ive read the post, ive read the whole thread ;) ive tried since and now my problem is getting the released stick to spin around properly. grrr, much to warm here today, to stuffy to practice

thankyou verry much :) :D hopefully ill fit in here :)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Llama_Bill on June 19, 2005, 06:43:14 PM
To start it off just swing the "spinny" stick under the diabolo as you pull up the other stick. After that just up 80% and then under 20% (or what works best for you).
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: QUOTH on June 19, 2005, 10:29:44 PM
hmm, i can see what you mean. so should the held stick be roughly making a "1/2 a heart shape" like described [somewhere] above? pulling it up to keep going and only then looping, pulling on the "spinny" stick to keep it going round uniformally??

*hopes question made sence :shock: *
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Chiok on June 19, 2005, 11:03:31 PM
That's kind of the shape yes.  You swing the swingy stick to the right and then do a quick wrap with the right stick and just get the feel for the swinging motion.  The trickest parts are to not rush the wrap otherwise the spinning stick will spin faster and make your life hard.  The other would be to get the right timing.  Hope you get it soon.  

I did however find it easier with the right equipment.  Before I was using Henry's Beach and MB Performer sticks and couldn't do it at all, just wrapped up.  Then I used a friend's finesse and fibreglass sticks, and managed to do it to my surprise.  Not to say it's the equipment, but I can't be sure.

Chiok
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: QUOTH on June 19, 2005, 11:09:34 PM
i thought so, it looks like im just wrapping it to rapidly. everytime i practive it gets abit closer, ill kepp you updated [and by "updated" i mean ill keep asking for advice :)]

im using henries jazz and wooden sticks, and my string is nackered, frayed to death. thankfully i have more in the post, and some short carbon fibre henries sticks in the post to me :)

thanks for the advice :) :)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Llama_Bill on June 20, 2005, 11:14:02 AM
Also an old string makes it alot harder as it wraps up more, if you come to EPCC I can show you how to do it and give you tips (not that Im a master at it or anything).
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: QUOTH on June 22, 2005, 01:01:14 PM
*back on topic*

ok, ive got my new sticks and string and am feeling so much more comfortable with them :D, anyway, lets get to the trick

i have trouble getting into the infinite suicide to start, and if i do well the stick im wrapping always catches up with the "swingy" stick. meh, i think i just need more practice.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Llama_Bill on June 22, 2005, 06:32:00 PM
That means you need to pull up slower and loop under fast but smooth when the "swingy" stick gets to around 2 or 1 on the clockface.  You have the same problem as my mate Aaron.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: QUOTH on June 22, 2005, 06:54:09 PM
glad to know its not just me then :p

ok, thats useful info. so how should i start? ive tried from wrapped chinese but that dosent work, and suicide to slowicide didnt work just because its to low. so how should i get into it :S

all advice apreciated :) [and sorry for taking over the thread, lol]
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Llama_Bill on June 22, 2005, 07:16:38 PM
Have 80% of the string on the swingy stick side of the right wrap (if you're right handed) as you let go of the swingy stick with a little push pull up a little faster than usual with the other stick and just get into a smooth motion, soon you stop thinking about it and just do it.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: QUOTH on June 22, 2005, 07:27:59 PM
ill give it ago tomorrow. even if i cnat get it im shure someone will show me at elsmere port :)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: James on June 23, 2005, 06:27:28 PM
I was trying to do infinite suicides for a while with my Finesse Gen 2 and Henry's Aluminium Handsticks, but I found it really hard to create a smooth looking movement (partly due to the fact the string wrapped round the handstick).  But then today at school my friend leant me his Henry's Jazz and Henry's Carbon Fibre sticks (I think), and it made the trick so much easier.  With those I can pull it off 90% of the time, making it look really smooth  :)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Matt_ on June 23, 2005, 07:18:31 PM
if your string is wrapping around the handstick, hold your stick at a tilt. when the string comes around and hits your stick, it'll slide right off.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Twilite on June 25, 2005, 03:40:46 PM
Just tried these for the first time today, got it sort of working on the second attempt with I was proud of. Apart from the stick hitting the floor all the time, but that can be remedied.

Problem is it only lasts until the diabolo loses its spin. I'm sure I'm doing it the right way; Right handed and circling anti-clockwise right?
But my movements, although keeping the diabolo from slipping down the string doesn't actually add any spin.
Any suggestions as to why this is?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: jake on July 19, 2005, 02:35:02 AM
what is it called when you do what looks to me to be a continuous suicide...you have only one handstick in your hand and u spin the other continually around in a cricle while the diabolo stays at relatively the same hieghth... also any links or tips on how to do the trick would really help a lot ... thanks
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Dracodragon on July 19, 2005, 02:39:24 AM
Its called infinite suicide.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: jake on July 19, 2005, 04:45:57 AM
thanks bud!
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: nezzybaby on July 19, 2005, 06:33:56 PM
as for tips (written for righties), do a right hand wrap,  and let the stick in your left hand go. as it comes round, encircle the diabolo with your right hand and give it a gentle tug upwards. try just doing it once or twice to start with and increase over time.

Start with a slow spinning diabolo, as if its too quick you could get the string biting and smacking you in the face. This trick adds acceleration, so dont worry too much about going into it with a slow diabolo.

try to sort your string length out so that you dont hit the stick on the floor every time, keep your right hand quite high in the air to help this also.

cant think of any more tips, you will see it is fairly straight forward once you get started.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: dynamaniac on July 19, 2005, 11:02:26 PM
yay! i got the infinite suicide on my first try after reading this thread! i really didnt think i'd be able to, but all the little tips somehow seeped into my brain and came together. thanks :D
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: seán_ on July 19, 2005, 11:30:10 PM
I posted  this  in the bragging thread and thought I'd  add it here in case anyone is interested. (not sure if the names the right thing, I'm v tired)

Quote from: seán_

As for  what I have learnt recently.  Last night, during a session with the Matts, I  pulled an infinite  suicide  with beats  (?)  that  infinite  for  a few times, add an extra  wrap,  let the swinging stick remove the wrap,  continue the  infinite suicide
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: tomangleberger on July 20, 2005, 01:56:28 AM
Can anyone explain to me how some folks, like Sean in Hamster Dance, is able to throw the diabolo so high up from an inf. suicide? I mean he gets a huge pop out of that and I can't even see how its physically possible.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Dracodragon on July 20, 2005, 02:32:14 AM
I think he just pulls the stick real hard at the right moment. I can do them for a normal toss, never really tried to make it go super high.

Correct me if im wrong at this.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: TimEllis on July 20, 2005, 07:14:55 PM
When I do the infinite suicide, my diabolo turns toward the right (clockwise).  The tilt stays fine, but I don't know why it's turning.  Anybody know why or possibly even help me out to get this to not happen? Thanks!
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Dracodragon on July 20, 2005, 07:48:03 PM
If you are left handed, it should be going clockwise. If you are right and it is starting to go clockwise, then you are probably doing the infinite suicide backwards. Make the stick rotate the same way the diabolo is rotating.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Chiok on July 20, 2005, 10:40:23 PM
Quote from: The Ska Boss
When I do the infinite suicide, my diabolo turns toward the right (clockwise)

Assuming you're right handed, I think the problem might be that as you're rewrapping the diabolo, you might be rubbing the inside cup on the left side with the string which I think will turn the diabolo to the right (clockwise looking down at it).  So try and not pull your handstick too much towards you during the suicides and stay fairly central over the axle.

Also, see if your diabolo is balanced right.  When it is up and spinning, just hold it there and see if it begins to tilt in a particular direction.  Of course it'll tilt when it's slow, but before then will see if it's out of balance.

HTH
Chiok
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: wua05 on July 22, 2005, 07:21:16 AM
haha i just managed to get the infinite suicide down! :D but, whenever i try to catch the stick, i cant catch it (i just end up hurting my hands).  does anyone have any tips or advice on making a solid catch of the stick?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: -Leo- on July 22, 2005, 07:59:57 AM
Scroll down the pages or search and you will find this in which the topic has probably been discused even if it hadn't you could have posted on that.  

http://www.diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=72

Cheers,

Leo
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: seán_ on July 22, 2005, 02:07:37 PM
wua05, asssuming  you have normal  suicides  down (great how tos at  www.diabolotricks.com) then you need  to  catch the stick the same way (thumb up palm facing).

When learning infinite suicides (to be honest I still does this most times) I  allow the swinging stick  to travel over the stick I am holding then I deal with  it. There are several trick options  from this positition anyway.
Some things that might help is to grab  the  string instead of the  handstick until you get comfortable with it, keep practicing the trick until you can control the speed the stick swings at.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: QUOTH on July 27, 2005, 10:54:15 AM
yay, ive got infinite suicides[now im just struggling with genocides  :?]

im just having a lil problem, my diabolo keeps tilting away from me. it accelerates fine, the stick spins fine all is well unless the diabolo tilts and dies on me or the diabolo just spins to fast and it runs up and hits the stick. any advice? :)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: jake on August 10, 2005, 09:02:16 AM
when im doing the infinite suicides after like 10-15 rotations the handstick thats swinging begins to go diagonal and it eventually makes me stop the trick...or the diabolo falls off...is there a way to correct this in the air? or perhaps another method to fix this? any tips would be very helpful!
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Jonnyh on August 10, 2005, 09:47:45 AM
This happened to me alot, but you just need to make sure you keep the string perpendicular (right word?) and in a straight line. It should work fine if you do this.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: ScottMcG on September 14, 2005, 07:23:11 PM
ive been trying soo much, but every time i do, the diabolo just falls down and catches the left stick, can anyone offer me any tips???? please!

 Cheers
        Scott
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: tomangleberger on September 15, 2005, 04:02:27 AM
There are a lot of good tips here, if you're willing to read thru all 6 pages of posts.
The tips that helped me were:

Diabolo doesn't need to be spinning fast to start.
Wrap close to the diabolo.
Let left stick come around to 9 o'clock postion, then quickly rewrap with right stick. Repeat.
Remember to pull up with the right stick each time. It's not a perfect circle.

String quality, handstick weight make a difference. I've got one set of wooden sticks with ratty old string that are just perfect for doing it.

-Tom
The Chicken Guy
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Squiggle on September 15, 2005, 06:55:32 AM
i havent been able o get infinite suicde cause the stick flys around to fastt            would that maybe be cause of my heavy diabolo ( harlequin) :?:  :?:
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Domi on January 17, 2006, 08:38:19 PM
I managed it for a short time!
Thx for the help. :D
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: fadge on January 17, 2006, 08:49:19 PM
i've been practicing for awhile now and can do the right hand infinite suicides, also the genocide from it and also the kinda grind then duicide then carry on infinite suiciding. if you get me :)    

i am now on a quest to find more to do with them, does anyone else know other variations? i am think about Antonin's genocide but with the stick going infron behind and then infront of the body before cathcing it. it's on diabology anyway on Of baguettes and diabolos. But unfortunately i fear for my life when a stick is spinning hta fast near to my body in every direction  :lol:

anyones variations would be welcome,im really liking them now that i can do them. :D

Fadge
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: JyNo on January 17, 2006, 09:42:31 PM
I think i have a diferent problem, at least i havent seen it posted somewhere around here, when i release the left stick (after bw the diabolo with my right hand) it goes around the diabolo too fast and unraps it before i can rewrap it again so in the next cycle the diabolo just flies out of the string

 has anybody got this problem before? am I doing something wrong or is it just a problem of my rookie self? (also I am using henrys circus, carbon sticks, and that bright yellow string i think is thinner than the regular one (is it? i've been wondering that for a while...) can that have something to do with my poblem?)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: fredo on January 17, 2006, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: JyNo
it goes around the diabolo too fast and unraps it before i can rewrap it again so in the next cycle the diabolo just flies out of the string


Maybe your string is new? Then it's clear... Just keep on playing till it wears off its slippery. If not maybe you don't to the movement with the diabolo to your right when beginning the trick. This is very important (Watch diabology if you can't imagine what I mean)

Quote from: fadge
i am think about Antonin's genocide but with the stick going infron behind and then infront of the body before cathcing it. it's on diabology anyway on Of baguettes and diabolos. But unfortunately i fear for my life when a stick is spinning hta fast near to my body in every direction


The way to get it is not to swing the stick really behind yor body, but turn a bit to your left and make the stick going first to your right , then left (looking like behind the body)and then catching the diab (right of you). You can't really see this turn in diabology, cause it's filmed from the side. But I've got another vid where antonin does it like this.

You've to throw the diabolo up very high when doing the trick (at least at the beginning). It has  its relaxed style when the stick isn't too fast. The feeling for the time you've got and the throwing height comes with time...

But don't overestimate with turning to your left! And reduce the turn more and more. Maybe you can get it just as a mind help(right word?).
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: JyNo on January 17, 2006, 11:31:44 PM
fredo said:

Quote
Maybe your string is new?

(I dont know how to put that "Someone wrote:" thing intead of "Quote:"  :oops: )

Well it wasn't that new, but I went outside with my heavy wood sticks armed with white string and I got it!!!, I dont know if it was the weight of the sticks or what but I guess I just needed to "feel" it, now I can do it much easier with carbons and yellow string! (I also kept playing with the string before trying again, that probably helped, thanks fredo!)

Tanks everyone for the tips! I finnally got it!!
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Martijn on January 18, 2006, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: JyNo
(I dont know how to put that "Someone wrote:" thing intead of "Quote:"  :oops: )

IF you press the 'Quote'-button in the right top corner, you can find the name of the poster here:

[ quote = " member " ] blablabla [ / quote ] (without the backspaces)

Back on-topic again :P
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Mithew on January 19, 2006, 12:42:28 AM
Anyone have any advice about unwrapped infinite suicides?  I can get it most of the time, but when i try to walk around the diabolo while doing unwrapped infinite suicides (i've gotten this three or four times) the string will usually tangle up around the diabolo.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: J_J777 on January 19, 2006, 12:52:31 AM
don't hit urself? it's all timing and practice kinda like integral suicides...
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: fredo on January 19, 2006, 09:43:27 PM
Just wondering how to do Diabolumberto's Infinite Suicide "Ducicide", where he releases the seccond stick, too... Any tips for the right timing for the throw-up? I got it a few times, but i really want to let it look like diabolumberto's very high one (third one) in drop& change where the diabolo does some "elypses" in the air...But anyway, have a look at it...

(Just hesitated to create a new topic, so I posted it here)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Mithew on January 23, 2006, 01:20:06 AM
i tried it a few times, and it was almost impossible.  Can you do that trick where you do a genocide out of infinite suicides, then switch sticks and go back into infinite suicides? I was trying to learn the infinite suicides duicide, and Jacob said that its better to learn this one first.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: fredo on January 23, 2006, 02:28:49 PM
Yes, I can do it sometimes, but really don't know what I'm doing when I succeed... I think I got it this day at school during the break, you've to wait very long after the genocide.

The other one, I havent't got the trick yet, but keep trying and watch drop and change carefully... At least in Ieper, I'll get it , I suppose
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Martijn on January 23, 2006, 03:00:35 PM
Quote from: fredo
At least in Ieper, I'll get it , I suppose

You could ask the master himself in Ypres :)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: fredo on January 26, 2006, 02:09:47 PM
OK, I thought I'd share this, i know it's a quite old video, but actually nobody knows it... In this video, Jonas Zeller does an infinite suicide to genocide with the left hand and the wrong way, like a normal suicide goes. I didn't know of this trick and I watched all my old vids and i found it.

So here's the link: Jonas Zeller bilbao Routine (http://www.jugglethis.net/filemgmt/singlefile.php?lid=186) (Couldn't find the right thread for posting that :P )
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: sander p on January 26, 2006, 07:32:47 PM
wow everything is going so fast and smooth :D
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: seán_ on January 27, 2006, 01:30:12 AM
more chatter about the Jonas Zeller routine in this thread (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=789)

Open multiple suicides go nicely into genocides but it's hard to do them as well (or with as many suicides as that).
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: hammerhead on February 17, 2006, 08:02:20 AM
ok, last night at my juggling club i tried, and it went perfectly, until my diabolo stopped spinning. i thought it accelerated it, but a guy there told me if you use your right hand to spin then you actually take spin off with infinite suicides. is this true? and if it isnt then what went wrong? :oops:
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Squiggle on February 17, 2006, 08:29:58 AM
Quote from: hammerhead
ok, last night at my juggling club i tried, and it went perfectly, until my diabolo stopped spinning. i thought it accelerated it, but a guy there told me if you use your right hand to spin then you actually take spin off with infinite suicides. is this true? and if it isnt then what went wrong? :oops:


Well if you are re-wrapping the diabolo counter-clockwise then  it is the right way ( If you are right handed )
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Chiok on February 17, 2006, 09:13:55 AM
I found that learning infinite suicides went really well when I picked up a friends Finesse and fibreglass sticks.  They just seemed to flow then.  Squiggle's right, if you're wrapping the diabolo righthand backwrap then it should keep it going.  The acceleration comes from the upwards pull of the string around the diabolo giving it a lil tug each time.

Like it's been discussed before I think, the shape you're ideally looking for is a kind of "heart" shape.  Constantly wrapping the diabolo will work, but without the upwards movement at the top, the diabolo won't speed up.  I believe the right stick to diabolo weight ratio is beneficial to learning the technique, but after some practise, you'll be able to do it with almost any combination.

HTH
Chiok
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: fredo on February 17, 2006, 03:06:26 PM
You're absolutely right Chiok, learning the trick with a finesse and carbon sticks should be the best way. And don't try Energies!!! It's amazingly hard to do inf. suicide and especially genocides from it with them...

But I think it looks best if you don't have this up and down movement in the inf. suicide, but a flowing, perfect round movement - but that's a matter of taste... But maybe you'd go better with the heavier extremes... Just try it and find out...
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: bok_sk on February 24, 2006, 01:52:41 PM
when i do genocide, i often see outer cup of diabolo tilt downward,
that is, inner cup pointing upward.

Why is that ?
and how to get it over ?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Rivid31 on April 15, 2006, 10:15:50 PM
My problem with this trick is right when I let go of the left stick, the diabolo slides almost entirely down the string to the left stick making the left stick unwrap really quick, and requiring a very large circle with my right hand to rewrap the diabolo... I can't seem to get the diabolo to stay closer to my right stick. (I'm right handed, using a circus diabolo with henry's string). I read through the thread and I read somewhere that Im rewrapping too slowly, but it happens almost instantly before the left stick has a chance to even start unwrapping... any help is appreciated.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Valium on April 15, 2006, 10:50:20 PM
either your string is too new and not grippy enough or youre pulling up to hard with your right hand
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: stroevey on April 16, 2006, 04:21:27 AM
happened to me to  :(
you just need to wear your new string in  that's all i did and I've got it going fine now.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Rivid31 on April 16, 2006, 04:30:28 PM
Ok, thanks. I'll keep trying it out, and ask for help at juggling club wednesday in case my form is off.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: TyeTye on April 20, 2006, 09:05:23 PM
hrmm... what about string being too grippy?   with fresh henry yellow, and a couple swipes with a bar of soap...  i find that i still can't do infinites...

I can do them for a long time on ball-bearing axle'd diabolos... but when i move to solid.... the diabolo loses all of it's spin...  i'm right handed... have a right backwrap and am adding the wrap counterclockwise.....

could too fast/too slow take the spin away?  Or could it just be the fact that it's too grippy?....  hrmm.. i'm kinda at a loss.  :)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: -Leo- on April 20, 2006, 09:18:56 PM
I had this problem for a while. The motion isn't circular it's more up and down, pull up for for about 80% of the time that you wrap and that will give you the spin. Sean posted a good explanation ages ago.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: jake jones on May 07, 2006, 08:08:45 PM
i am having a problem with infinite suicides, because i watch ppl doing tricks on videos, they are mostly right handed, and i try and do the trick it doesnt work. i looked at infinite suicides. i was just wondering on how do i do it if im left handed? what wrap do i start with and what hand to i turn?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: seán_ on May 07, 2006, 08:52:48 PM
Left hand backwrap (or stopover/trapeze slipping into a backwrap) hand motion and stick swinging clockwise

basically 'mirror' what you see right handers do or watch videos of diaboloists such as Vux, Jgherkin, and Fred (i think)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: jake jones on May 08, 2006, 04:27:56 PM
ok thx for that sean
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: tommygrhcp on June 01, 2006, 04:00:53 PM
New idea! Everyone is just saying the same old thing for learning this trick but they havent said my version:

I learnt most of my foundation diab off www.diabolotricks.co.uk and i leant chinese suicides. These are just trapeze suicides. So when i saw people doing inf. suicides, i tried and failed! :lol:

I started learning infinite chinese suicides which took me a while then i found that if i got the chinese suicide going then i slipped off the string and i was in an infinite suicide.

Takes a bit of practice but its easier (for me) and original!

Ive been learning the walking round infinite suicide recently but im struggling! I can walk round the other side and keep suicidding easily but i cant walk back. I walk to the left of the diab then on the way back i'm not sure. ANY TIPS????

Ive been trying the genocide as well. I can release the diab then catch it but after about 2 sotations it goes wrong and the suicides after i catch dont feel right. ANY MORE TIPS????

HAs anyone came up with variations for the infinite suicide? The best ive seen is the grind  duicide then continueing infinite suicides. ANY MORE????
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: The Vitamin Guy on June 01, 2006, 04:54:05 PM
www.diabolotricks.co.uk doesnt open with me. Are you sure you don't mean www.diabolotricks.com ?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: tommygrhcp on June 02, 2006, 10:37:11 PM
maybe i do, sorry!
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: El Chinho on June 05, 2006, 01:08:36 PM
I can now do left-handed infintite suicides nae bother (I am right-handed), and can even put a mini-genocide on the end - but I can NOT get the hang of the right-handed ones.

Any pointers? Best tricks to go into it with? What is the right action with the right-hand?

It's doing me head in, cos there's tons of good tricks to do after it on diabology and the like, so please help!
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: CirqueKid on June 28, 2006, 09:27:59 AM
I HATE INFINITE SUICIDES!!!!  :evil:  I've tried inf. suicides with my G1 XTremes, first, the foam breaks off the bottom of the handle, glued it back on.  Next, I snap the plastic piece on my XTremes.  Now, I had to purchase new G3 XTremes (which I love, BTW), and I've already broken a piece of foam off of.  Now, I've had it, so I go back to wood, which the handles on those fall off on impact.  :cry: GRR, I'm not going to practice any more inf. suicides any time soon (aka, next week  :wink: ).
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Martijn on June 28, 2006, 01:15:16 PM
Welcome to the real world :wink:

Serious though, try to shorten your string a bit, to keep the swinging stick from hitting the ground, so it won't get damaged. I don't see how you broke the plastic piece from infinite suicide practice? On the other hand... those plastic pieces break all the time :?

Tell us something more about the G3 Extremes, I don't think a lot of people have them yet?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: fredo on June 28, 2006, 02:02:16 PM
Quote from: Martijn

Tell us something more about the G3 Extremes, I don't think a lot of people have them yet?
I've got the m, but will send them back and order some gen2s! they look ugly for me - and there's a sort of small "hill" (don't know the right word even in German :P) between the cap and the stick - really annoying...

but a nice stick for others

(got them in orange btw)  :wink:
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: JyNo on June 30, 2006, 12:37:49 AM
Quote from: Colin
I HATE INFINITE SUICIDES!!!!  :evil:  


I also broke my first pair of henrys carbs trying to learn this trick, they only lasted for 2 days!! Now I own a pair of carbs and a pair af alu so I try to do the hard work on the alus that will never break! (I hope) and then when I have lernt the trick I try it whith the carbs, now I can do the inf suicide without the worry of crushing my sticks (they hit the floor a LOT less than they use to)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: live_to_burn_stuff on June 30, 2006, 07:13:30 PM
surely you would just use wood to practice on, that way they dont break, and even if they do, they are a heap of crud anyway? :?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Chiok on June 30, 2006, 08:04:06 PM
There are some dab handed diaboloists that still swear by wood sticks.  The lightness and toughness appeal to some people.  But are rubbish for learning infinite suicides with especially if they're tied with a traditional (whatever it's called) knot.

Also, learning with one type of stick doesn't neccessarily transfer across to your regular sticks.  It's best to learn with what you're using.  Of course, no need to make your life harder than normal, use whatever makes it easiest to learn.

Chiok
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: max cozzi on September 13, 2006, 03:22:23 AM
I Need some tips on how to do iffinite suicides with 1 diabolo.



                                                  Max Cozzi
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Squiggle on September 13, 2006, 03:24:15 AM
Search
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: William on September 13, 2006, 03:38:30 AM
It took me 2 minutes to search and find this http://www.diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=72&highlight=infinite+suicides

Please read the stickies.
Have a look in the trick and video archive.
Welcome to the forum!  :)

Haha.. Beat the Moderators to it..
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: The Vitamin Guy on September 13, 2006, 03:40:36 PM
Quote from: Will.
Haha.. Beat the Moderators to it..


Haha we could have a competition every time people come and ask for these kind of questions.

Darn, I just wonder how you have the patience to answer these things again and again.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: cpai on December 18, 2006, 04:48:58 AM
When I try to do the Infinite Suicide the stick hits the diabolo and the whole thing messes up. I'm wondering how to fix this? I have read through the whole thing and I don't think that I saw an answer to this.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: William on December 18, 2006, 05:15:49 AM
You should include more information, Which stick?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: cpai on December 18, 2006, 05:18:10 AM
The stick that was released.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: William on December 18, 2006, 05:40:57 AM
Assuming you're right handed, The left. You are trying to do too much of a circular motion. I think it was Matt Hall that said "Infinite Suicides are 80%  pull" and something else that I can't remember..
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Christopher on December 18, 2006, 05:46:05 AM
Assuming you're right handed, The left. You are trying to do too much of a circular motion. I think it was Matt Hall that said "Infinite Suicides are 80%  pull" and something else that I can't remember..

when did he say that? was it in the matt hall and ryo yabe workshop video?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: William on December 18, 2006, 06:08:14 AM
I can't remember.. I think somebody quoted him aswell.. It doesn't really matter anyway
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: The Vitamin Guy on December 18, 2006, 08:32:46 AM
1) hold the string out horizontal, with the diabolo closer to the right stick, completely unwrapped
2) backwrap (string wrap (what you would do for the classic stringclimb) the diabolo with you right hand. Just as you go underneath the diabolo, let go of the left stick, just let go.
3) as the left stick gets about 180 degrees around (horizontal but on the right hand side of the right stick) tug the right stick upwards quite gently and rewrap the diabolo.
4) this will cause the stick to swing around again. Do the same thing next time

So are continually rewrapping the diabolo to keep the swinging stick swinging. Keep the diabolo as high/as close to the right stick as possible.

If anyone just about understands this but would like something to look at. i WILL make a video, including the start. No doubt i will also inlude some classic or newer variations.

Hope that helps.

It took me ages to learn this trick. I was hopeless at it until Matt Hall explained one thing to me: The motion is not uniformly circular. You spend perhaps 80% of your time on the upstroke and then quickly whip around to start pulling up again. The upstroke is slow and well... pulling straight up. Watch the hand motion of someone doing this trick very carefully. There is a definite rhythm to it.

If the diabolo is winding up on you it means you are starting to recircle the diabolo too early - or in other words, your upstroke isn't long enough or slow enough. If the diabolo falls down the string or off the string then you aren't performing the rewrap section quickly enough or early enough.

A friend of mine can only start an infinite suicide from a stopover with one stick dropped. You start swinging this around the stick you are holding and then let the string fall off the end of the stick and form a wrap. I believe it may be easier to start this way - it prevents you from having to learn the exact rhythm and motion necessary to start the pattern - which may the hardest part.

Sean


These are some really useful posts by Norbi and Sean from the first page of this topic. And btw, shouldn't this be at the "tricks" section than videos?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Christopher on December 18, 2006, 09:57:52 AM
These are some really useful posts by Norbi and Sean from the first page of this topic. And btw, shouldn't this be at the "tricks" section than videos?

oh yeah, it should be. didn't realize that.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: stryju on December 18, 2006, 05:00:54 PM
the method that worked for me:

1. put right wrap
3. do a trapeze (yes, with the wrap on the diabolo)
4. let go the left stick
5. when the left stick is at 12 o'clock start pulling up the right stick
6. when the left stick reaches your right side (i won't tell you the 'time' because you'll be ****ing the hours, not learning inf.s. - too distracting i think) put right wrap rather quickly - -one quick smooth move
7. pull the right stick up
8. go back to step 6.

rest is up to you
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: scottp45 on December 27, 2006, 04:21:26 PM
when i do infinites i can get it going but the string wraps 'round my left stick, then the diabolo stops and the string tangles >:(. Any solutions????? Thanks in advance ;).

scott
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: looby on December 27, 2006, 05:18:35 PM
I assume you're left handed, and if so it seems you need to perfect the lift motion as mentioned a few posts above.  The timing is essential  and I reckon you're probably being too aggressive with the left stick motion if a tangle is the end result.  Read what's already posted but if I can offer any tips:

- Bring the left stick over the diabolo when the right stick gets to about "4/5 o clock".
- The left stick movement should be smooth and rythmic but not too slow as this movement gives the "thrust" needed to bring the trailing stick round

Hope that helps somewhat, if not everything you need is already in this thread

Good luck with it
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: scottp45 on December 27, 2006, 06:40:35 PM
i meant to say it wraps around the right stick
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: seán_ on December 27, 2006, 06:51:03 PM
wooden sticks? either keep it pointed down, release the stick at an apropriate point in the move to let it unwrap, tie string with a big old bowline like in my sig, move to ally or carbon sticks.

Keep working at it, shouldnt take you to long to get the hang of it now.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: scottp45 on December 27, 2006, 11:02:55 PM
yup im using wooden stix. btw im righty. i cant tie the string that way bcause its pointless because i hav to backwrp the string 'round the stick to make the string appropiate size (im very short)

scott
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: seán_ on December 27, 2006, 11:24:30 PM
you might find that if you tie one end of your string like that, then measure out (usually against your body, see threads in gear section) an appropriate length of string and tie a similar knot at the other end then you wont need to bw the string round your sticks. make sure the loop is big enough to alow it to swivel freely.
This should stop your sticks catching your string for a lot of moves both sun based and stick based (magic knots etc) also when i used wooden sticks i found it nicer to suicide as the sticks stayed in line with the string.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: scottp45 on December 31, 2006, 04:50:20 PM
k i tried pointing the stix down with no luck. question: will alu stix break if i do infinites? (WHICH ARE BETTER 4 INFINITES)

scott
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: The Vitamin Guy on December 31, 2006, 05:55:20 PM
For only doing perfect infinite suicides, your alus will not break, but if they hit the ground hard they can bend.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: diplodicai on December 31, 2006, 07:34:20 PM
I use henry's short carbons and they work fine for infinites. Have smacked the floor several times and haven't had any breakages. For some reason the weight of MB sticks seems way out and I can't get infinites with em no matter how hard I try??? BTW, whats the easiest way of catching the stick after an infinite to genocide? The free stick seems to achieve warp 9 and I wondered if there was an elegant way of controlling it. 
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: scottp45 on January 01, 2007, 12:22:58 AM
Ill buy some carbons then if i get the money :P

scott
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Christopher on January 01, 2007, 12:30:41 AM
i use carbons too for infinite suicides but it's tricky to do a complete 360 turn due to the light stick and the fast rotation of it.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: merripp on January 20, 2007, 04:39:42 PM
i dont gettit when ever i try it everything goes spack and just wraps up the string or just flies across the room :'( ???
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: merripp on January 20, 2007, 08:08:14 PM
so any1 help me? lol
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Matt_ on January 21, 2007, 05:12:49 AM
Are you using wooden sticks? If so, that's the reason why.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: -Leo- on January 21, 2007, 09:02:46 AM

i dont gettit when ever i try it everything goes spack and just wraps up the string or just flies across the room :'( ???


If you mean that everything wraps up into a ball it could be old string that is too grippy. If it's just wrappping around the stick then what Matt_ said.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: merripp on January 21, 2007, 07:46:31 PM
nah its alright now lol i think i was just wrapping 2 quickly :P its fine now tho lol ty anyway
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: cpai on January 22, 2007, 07:25:57 AM
Right now I can do this fairly well, but most of the time the stick swings around the diabolo faster than normal. Then the diabolo falls off. So therefore I am thinking that my techinque is incorrect in some way. Is there a way to correct this? I have tried wrapping faster, but the stick swings around even faster, so it doesn't help much.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: seán_ on January 22, 2007, 03:18:22 PM
nice and steady pull upwards for 80% follwed by a quick rewrap. during this rewrap you also recover the 'drop' of the diabolo caused by the pull upwards so that you keep the diabolo fairly close to your right hand. If you dont do this the diabolo falls further and further and you have to make huge circles to keep the move going

Basically you dont want it to get to the point where its wild
hth
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: brind0g on May 03, 2007, 09:59:18 PM
Quote
Amen to that! Wink But, come on... join the aluminium side: the benefits of the carbon sticks but no risk of breakage and less string usage. You know you want to...

Anyway, I was looking on my harddrive to see if I had any old closeup footage of me doing an infinite suicide that might illustrate the pause on the upstroke and the rhythm. Didn't find much, but I did find two short clips which I quickly put together with some catchy music. I tried recording them in slow motion, but the interlaced effects on the video make it shake all over the place and make it generally hard to look at, so this will have to do. In particular, have a look at the 5 to 6 second mark. I think that's the best segment in terms of the ideal hand motion.

http://diabolo.ca/video/temp/sean_1d_infinite_suicides_TEMP.mpg (1.6mb)

(I know what some of you are thinking: Sean's showing a video of him doing a one diabolo trick - I thought he could only diabolo with 2 on the string at once!? Well, I'll have you notice that the first trick is a 2 diabolo entry and the second clip starts with 2 diabolos but I'm in the middle of dropping one. So there.)

Sean

Just bumping this back up to get someone to possibly temp load the video up again please *cough* Sean *cough*... Would be GREATLY appreciated!! Or if anyone else has since made a nice tutorial... Please share it!! Love you long time  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: zwiggelbig on May 03, 2007, 10:42:39 PM
Okay i had all the same problems.. i tried infinite suicide normal way failed it.. i did to wild
So i tried it true trapeze i got the basics true there and now i have the feeling to do infinite suicides.

What you must do is do it SMOOTHLEY dont try and wrap it around wildly just..
Wrap the diabolo then hold the sticks in normal position.
You let go of the left stick and you try to find out at what time it is the best to re wrap it
But after you let go of the stick pull the diabolo up! with your right stick then make a circle around the diabolo so you rewrap it. But remember hold the diabolo close to your right stick.
Then just simply stop the re wrapping and catch the left stick.

This is how i do it.
Dont say you cant do it you just have to find your own way to do it..
And dont go wild and get crazy just smoothely and you will lurn it. :D
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Martijn on May 04, 2007, 12:40:29 AM
Could you please try to write without all the funky colours? Thank you.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: zwiggelbig on May 04, 2007, 10:03:07 AM
fine fine..

Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Hodges on May 31, 2007, 11:10:02 AM
when infinate suiciding i can do all of it until the stick is orbiting the diabolo, when the string just unwraps itself and falls out of the string ???.
thats the clearest i can think to describe my problem but any suggestions?
hodges
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: doiabolo (joe) on May 31, 2007, 12:10:00 PM
some people have no common sence at allll!!
if its unwrapping surley to prevent this you would rewrap it as its unwrapping
ha
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: William on June 01, 2007, 03:04:34 AM
Yes, you must rewrap the wrap you just wrapped before it unwraps ;)

Say that ten times
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Radium on June 01, 2007, 11:38:12 AM
I do it a bit differently to most others. I don't wrap the diabolo first, I swing the diabolo anti-clockwise and then once it reaches about 2 O'Clock I let go of the left handstick and finish the wrap with my right handstick I then continue with infinite suicides. With that method I learnt the trick consistently within a couple of hours.

Radium
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Niclas on June 01, 2007, 05:23:57 PM
same here.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Hodges on June 08, 2007, 06:55:37 PM
I'm not a dumbass, the rewrapping thing is obvious, but when i try to rewrap it, it starts to unwrap faster, so i speed up, so it unwraps even faster etc... maybe i should have said that earlier.

hodges
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: David - SAS1 on June 08, 2007, 08:22:54 PM
if it speeds up when you speed up then maybe you should slow down
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Rick on June 08, 2007, 09:17:52 PM
Norbi's intructions on page one helped me immensely. Basically just let go of left handstick as you wrap the diabolo, when stick reaches 2 o clock wrap again. :) simple
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Chiok on June 08, 2007, 10:08:09 PM
Start with a slow spinning diabolo as well.  Infinite suicides accelerate the diabolo to a degree so just give it enough spin to balance itself and then do it, this should slow the wrapping process quite a bit.  And slow down yourself, no need to go nuts with it, it's a calm and collected French move as opposed to a fast and heady Taiwanese move.

Chiok
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: zwiggelbig on June 09, 2007, 10:37:14 AM
Good string helps with doing infinite suicide.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: seán_ on June 10, 2007, 05:11:17 AM
.... it's a calm and collected French move as opposed to a fast and heady Taiwanese move.

Chiok
Bend the knees then ;)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: paul.w92 on June 10, 2007, 09:54:47 PM
i dont think my problem has been talk about on this thread

i do a right back wrap then let go of the left sick i manage to wrap the diab once or twice but then insted of the left stick passing around the far cup it wraps around the near cup so i end up with a sun wrap (or knot) so how do i keep the left stick to keep going around the far cup?!

many thanks
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Dan on June 10, 2007, 11:38:06 PM
Your problem could be caused by old grippy string which just isn't cut out for infinite suicides.  Or even your diabolo, what diabolo(s) do you use?

As for problems with technique - try to slow it down.  I see so many people learning them just trying to drag it around the diabolo instead of letting it speed up normally.  Also make sure you rewrap the diabolo by pulling up at first instead of around.

Practise, practise, practise!
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Chiok on June 10, 2007, 11:40:29 PM
I believe what's happening there is that you're letting the diabolo slide too far down the string and it's allowing the left stick to swing inside, under the right stick, around the inside cup.  As long as you wrap and pull up fast enough to keep the diabolo close to the right stick, the left stick shouldn't be able to swing under the right stick, at best it will swing around the right handstick instead (which is how most people finish as it becomes a magic knot to release).

I believe that is the problem you're experiencing.  If it's not, a video or a diagram are useful for diagnosis.

Chiok
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: paul.w92 on June 11, 2007, 07:56:50 PM
well i use a normal henry circus and some old henrys string maybe i should change it but i read some where that grippy string was good... anyway thanks for the tips!
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: David - SAS1 on June 11, 2007, 10:54:47 PM
condition of string is generally personal choice but slightly warn in string helps with infinite suicides otherwise the diabolo just rolls down the string and falls out
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: paul.w92 on September 27, 2007, 07:10:26 PM
well i have been practising all summer and i can almost do it correctly i just have 3 problems (i know ... they do sound a bit silly...)

1)the orbiting stick hits the gound but i cant hold my arm up any higher

2)the diabolo keeps turning to the right so i have moved almost 90 degrees

3)i seem to get realy irugular circles and after a while the diabolo just falls all the way down the string so it is impossible to continue
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: karl e dangerous on September 27, 2007, 09:54:24 PM
1.) shorten your string that will stop the hittin the floor

2) make sure that your diabolo is paralal to you and you are are wrapping the diabolo without hitting the cups should stop the turning

3)the irugular circles i used to suffer and its probably fast jerky wraps that cause it so try the trick with a slower diabolo remember to put the wrap on as the orbiting stick gets to about 9 o'clock
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Nahxela on September 28, 2007, 02:01:23 AM
Don't suppose that someone could help me out on doing infinite suicide stick grind releases?
I don't seem to be able to move the wrap onto the diabolo, and trying it open string on a stick didn't work too well for me...
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: William on September 28, 2007, 01:34:57 PM
Define what you are doing. Do you mean grind it on the stick and do a duicide?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Nahxela on September 29, 2007, 01:59:26 AM
Define what you are doing. Do you mean grind it on the stick and do a duicide?

Yes, that would be it.
Is there a specific name for that infinite suicide variation?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: William on September 29, 2007, 04:18:58 AM
Uhm.. Infinite suicide to duicide?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: VincentPlumbers on September 29, 2007, 09:12:54 AM
Could you explain how to do that stick grind release? I don't really understand, but it sounds cool.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Marijn on September 29, 2007, 11:16:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDL64NIU8s

@1:29 is (i guess ::)) a infinite suicide stick grind release
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: TomMiller on September 29, 2007, 01:36:07 PM
ah man i fought i made up a tricks with a grind release
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: VincentPlumbers on September 29, 2007, 07:17:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDL64NIU8s

@1:29 is (i guess ::)) a infinite suicide stick grind release

Thnx, I'll give it a try tomorrow, looks awesome.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Marijn on September 29, 2007, 08:31:44 PM
Thnx, I'll give it a try tomorrow, looks awesome.

i cant do 'em, they are hard :-/
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: paul.w92 on September 29, 2007, 08:59:30 PM
oh no we gone off the topic i was talking about! only joking everything is coming along nicely but the diabolo still turns even it i dont tap it... any help?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: TomMiller on September 29, 2007, 10:17:36 PM
maybe your not pulling as you should do much or the diabolo is to slow
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Nahxela on September 30, 2007, 11:57:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msDL64NIU8s

@1:29 is (i guess ::)) a infinite suicide stick grind release
Ah, yeah, that's the one, but I probably want to be able to do a normal one before adding in a 360 ._.

Wes Peden is sick.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Marijn on October 01, 2007, 07:12:58 AM
Ah, yeah, that's the one, but I probably want to be able to do a normal one before adding in a 360 ._.

Wes Peden is sick.

it was the first video i could think of that had one in it;)
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Duncan on October 01, 2007, 07:43:24 AM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TuSP37rUook

From our esteemed moderator Martijn, around 2:40. It's the grind release to a left hand continuation with a mini-g exit. I think the angle is helpful with learning how to enter the grind.

Now go outside and try some hard stuff ;)

@Paul - the diab will turn even when you're perfect. No worries.

-Duncan (hates early morning Masters classes)

Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Nahxela on October 01, 2007, 11:18:19 PM
Ugh, I hate how youtube doesn't let you get to exact points in a video...

Thanks for that, Duncan (and Martijn, of course), but I still can't tell what's going on the string...
It's getting released onto the stick for a grind, right? How does it stay on...
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Duncan on October 01, 2007, 11:30:29 PM
Thanks for that, Duncan (and Martijn, of course), but I still can't tell what's going on the string...
It's getting released onto the stick for a grind, right? How does it stay on...

You're still wrapped - you're just doing a grind and releasing before you unwrap.

Think of it this way: you're going with the infinite, pulling up and quickly going underneath - as you start your motion to go underneath, you change your stick so that it's pointing to your left (or right for lefties) side, stick it under the diab axle, and give it a little push. The momentum will carry it (hopefully) and, after a rotation, collect and don't suck. Beg for applause from the audience who will never know how hard the trick is in reality.

You're still wrapped, nothing changes on that part.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Nahxela on October 02, 2007, 01:37:35 AM
Ah, alright, so the stick grinding part is like a 2D anti-suicide with the right diabolo being wrapped.
Thanks for clarifying that for me.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: legand in the making on October 07, 2007, 08:50:36 AM
im trying to do the infinate suicide unwrapped, it spinns faster and its really dificult.
any 1 got any tips?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: eminem2012 on March 02, 2008, 11:45:52 PM
ive seen some people in the middle of an infinite and they sort of push the diabolo up then continue again what do they do?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Duncan on March 03, 2008, 09:19:34 AM
Eminem,

The last few posts in this topic are on the grind you're asking about. Have a look at those.

-Duncan
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: zwiggelbig on April 11, 2008, 12:30:25 PM
Wow! Does anyone have a tutorial for the first part of that diabolo trick in that movie? Before he does the infinite suicide? The integral I wanne lurn that  :o
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: spinnin pig on April 11, 2008, 09:18:48 PM
ok i know this is gonna sound stupid but wats the difference between a wrapped and unwrapped inf. suyicide
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Ben. on April 11, 2008, 09:31:54 PM
wrapped is when there is a full wrap on the diabolo and is usually quite slow whereas unwrapped is when the diabolo isn't wrapped and is usually a lot faster. if you watch videos of the MHD then they all do it, i usually start from doing half a right trapeze and when it is coming round at about 2 o'clock let go of the left stick.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: spinnin pig on April 12, 2008, 02:08:06 PM
ah right thanks ben i dont know why i didnt think of that before
but if you want it faster shorter string works thats how i learned infinite to geno
back to the topic i came up with quite a cool entry
put a wrap on the dibolo and put it into a right grind
when youre done grinding let go of the left stick it will pull the diabolo off your right stick (if youre sticks are heavy i use alu's) and you can start youre infinites
piggy out
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: sharkbait911 on April 15, 2008, 02:14:28 PM
how do you do them i tryed it but it just dnt work :'(!!!!
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Duncan on April 15, 2008, 03:07:16 PM
how do you do them i tryed it but it just dnt work :'(!!!!

I believe you're going to have to slave away practicing the trick like many others have done in the past ;).

Read the thread through and you'll find a hint that helps the trick click.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: sharkbait911 on April 17, 2008, 07:44:27 PM
yeh i call it the infinite suicide
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: diabolo on April 25, 2008, 11:47:23 PM
Mod edit: I split this from the [trick] Genocides - Mini Genocides (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=64) thread to allow them both to develop: Seán_

Also, whats the trick where your only holding one handstick and the other is orbiting around the diabolo, continuouly.

I call it continuous suicides, but what do I know :)
Hey how do u keep on wrapping the infinite suicide?? ???
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: fzzyrn on April 26, 2008, 03:08:49 AM
its kind of a rhythm. let the stick go partially around the axel before rewrapping
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: zwiggelbig on April 29, 2008, 11:27:10 AM
80% of the time you are doing a pulling up motion.

You start by doing a right wrap around the diabolo. Then you just let go of the left stick and with your right strick do a pulling up motion and re wrap the diabolo. Now don't do anything and you will see that the diabolo will fly off.

Now do the same thing again.

- Do a right wrap.
- Let go of the left stick.
- Make a pulling up motion with the right stick.
- Rewrap the diabolo, so just make another wrap after the pulling up motion.
( This will prevent the diabolo to fly of. )

You just have to get a feeling for the pulling up motion and the wrapping motion. But remember that 80% of the time you are making a pulling up motion.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Fritz Stein on May 04, 2008, 08:34:07 PM
Hey, I basicaly got the motion down (meaning I can make the stick spin around about 7 times before I fail), yet everytime I stop, the string will be wrapped around the right stick several times, even if I did everything right...

Is this normal?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: fzzyrn on May 04, 2008, 08:52:47 PM
This is simply a flaw in technique.
Try pointing the stick towards the axle as you wrap it.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: zwiggelbig on May 04, 2008, 10:31:27 PM
You can also do a right trapeze and then you release your left stick.
As soon as the stick hits about 2 o clock? Not sure.. But then you do the pulling up motion and re wrap the diabolo.

Could somebody give me any tips on doing the 360 infnite suicide?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Dennis on July 15, 2008, 07:27:54 PM
I need help with the infinite suicide Antonin does in "Baguettes and Diabolos" at 2:32!
He always pulls it up with his right hand in the string!

How do I have to start the trick?


the trick can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkSr_zgU_iY  at 2:32


please help me,
I really want to be able to do that trick!.. :D

Dennis
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: fzzyrn on July 15, 2008, 07:42:39 PM
you do it like a normal inf, but instead of straight up starting it like normal, pinch the string before starting when the diab is already wrapped.

make sense? slightly...... incoherent.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Duncan on July 16, 2008, 12:17:47 PM
One way [1] I do this trick by Antonin is to start a regular infinite suicide with my right hand, change it to my left hand, then grab the string and start the infinite with my right hand again.

-Duncan

[1] Well, the only way I can do it.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Shadebob on April 07, 2009, 02:37:34 AM
So, this trick seems really cool and after working on it for about a month and a half now I think that I have got it. The only problem is that this motion is supposed to add speed right? Because whenever I exit the wrap, I have almost now spin left on the diabolo. Am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Chiok on April 07, 2009, 11:22:12 AM
It adds speed, up to a point.  During the wrapping, the upwards pull of the string is what adds speed, you then rewrap the diabolo so you can pull up again to maintain the speed.  If you're finding almost no spin left, it's most likely a technique issue and you're not focussing on the up pull but on the wrapping of the string around the axle.

Nice smooth upward pulls and then a quick wrap.  Does that help?

Chiok
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Shadebob on April 07, 2009, 06:36:05 PM
That's what I thought the proper way was. Is it possible that I have another wrap on the diabolo and this is messing things up?

Edit: I just spent some time with the trick trying different rythms to the pulls that I was doing and I think I found out what was wrong. It is hard to describe, but I believe with a bit more practice, I should be pretty comfortable with this trick. Thanks again for your advice.
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Linny on June 18, 2010, 12:22:40 AM
Hey guys, I'm pretty new to the site but what the hell! :D

I've been trying to learn myself infinite suicides because i think they look ace! :D

Problem is that when i let the left stick go after my wrap, i start to circle the right stick but my diabolo just ends up clumped up with my left stick flailing around in the air ? :P Anyone know why this may happen, any tips ? :D

Thanks,

Alan
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Sean on June 18, 2010, 04:33:45 AM
Hi Linny, I merged your post to this rather long thread. There should be lots of useful information within.

A couple general suggestions to summarize:
- don't start with too much speed
- the motion isn't a circle, it's sort of shaped like a tall backwards "D" if you are right handed. i.e. mostly an elongated upward motion with a quick return back down.
- it can be relatively slow
Title: Infinite suicide help
Post by: Wigg wigg on October 19, 2010, 08:20:15 PM
Could any body give some help to me because I can't do Infinite suicide no matter how hard I try, I have watched loads of tutorials on youtube.

Btw does it make any diference using a sundia sun ( ball bearing diabolo) ????
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Sean on October 19, 2010, 08:35:08 PM
I merged your thread to this long existing thread. There is lots of useful information within. Yes, an infinite suicide feels quite different with bearings. I imagine it would be easier to learn without them. However, a Sundia Sun doesn't normally have bearings, so is that what you meant?
Title: Re: Infinite suicides
Post by: Wigg wigg on October 19, 2010, 08:42:32 PM
It dosn't?! It does say "Sundia Sun" in the cone?! But I am (hopefully) getting 2 finesses for 2D so I'll try it with them.

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