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Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: Jester on July 02, 2005, 10:57:35 AM
So there are a couple of forums about this crazy technique involving certain videos or how to start and/or basic tricks

but I can already do all that  :(

so I thought how about a forum for more advanced stuff. What are people trying. where are we going

there's already a 2 diabolo excalibur thread so i guess I'm thinking more about stuff with 1

I'm working on infinite vertax trapeze suicide (on the right stick at least three rotations)

i've started getting genocides back on the string so now i'm thinking about mini genocides

and I haven't figured out quite how but i'd like to try some sort of magic knot

anyone got any body rotations going on?

also I haven't even started working on it BUT if we can do chinese whips above our heads what about below the hips exaclibur! around the legs anyone?

bring it on everyone lets get this Bolo rolling   :D
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: Vojtas on July 02, 2005, 12:30:32 PM
around right leg - i can do sometimes 2 rotations..
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: Jester on July 03, 2005, 02:04:25 PM
what sort of technique are u using for the orbits ?
could you describe it.

suns around the body + passing it around your back looks good
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: Jester on July 07, 2005, 02:14:31 PM
So i guess noone cares about excalibur ?

 :cry:
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: ming on July 07, 2005, 02:54:31 PM
I care just can't think of anything to write. If you need help with a trick or anything post it and i'll see what i can do
Emmet
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: Vojtas on July 10, 2005, 08:13:17 PM
I saw some pretty things done by Antonin and Thrash on Czech Juggling Convention last week... Especially Thrash's things rock  :D  Unfortunately can't describe it.. Will learn this things and make video
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: ming on August 01, 2005, 02:49:49 PM
Anyone know how to get into around the body/ legs?

I was messing with a body wrap to mini genocide way into it yesterday. Looks like its gonna work but still have to nail it. Any easier ways into it?
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: CM on August 01, 2005, 04:11:50 PM
Ryo did an around the body excaliber at the IJA. Instead of going into excaliber by tilting the cup closest to you down, he would tilt it up, like inverse excaliber. The easiest way he got into it was doing constant correction while going around the body. I hope you can understand this... If not heres (http://206.130.99.206/live/2005/Thursday2IndividualsandTea/DSC_5895.html) a picture
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: ming on August 02, 2005, 12:15:19 AM
Did you see how he got into that position by any chance?
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: norbi on August 02, 2005, 12:36:29 AM
Quote from: CM
The easiest way he got into it was doing constant correction while going around the body. I hope you can understand this... If not heres (http://206.130.99.206/live/2005/Thursday2IndividualsandTea/DSC_5895.html) a picture


perchance?
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: ming on August 02, 2005, 12:46:51 AM
Nope was looking for a more lh bw circle right over head etc kind of explaination
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: CM on August 02, 2005, 01:30:45 AM
Ummmm can't really explain the other way he got into around the body.... Maybe someone else who was there could help me explain this. :oops:
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: Sharpes on August 02, 2005, 02:39:33 PM
I would assume it went like this:
in inverse excalibur, unwrap clockwise (to the right), jump over string and diabolo, then start orbiting.
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: ming on August 02, 2005, 06:16:11 PM
Found an easy(ish) way into it from normal excalibur. ufo grind, set up string throw the grind across catch and bob's your mothers brother
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: ming on August 04, 2005, 07:10:46 PM
Inverse excalibur anyone? Has anyone got a vid or could they post one as i can't get the hand positions right need to see how its done
Emmet
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: norbi on August 04, 2005, 08:35:33 PM
i had a couple nice lickle runs of excaliber round the legs, easy when you know how.
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: jakethecakebhs on August 05, 2005, 07:24:25 AM
hi i have just been able toget into excalibur with a chiese whip ( i think thats what it is called) and can do basic tricks but when the diabolo lows down i try doing more chinese whips but it keeps tilting and falls of

anyone that can help
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: jakethecakebhs on August 05, 2005, 07:25:09 AM
sorry if im annoying
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: Elmeri on August 05, 2005, 08:16:37 AM
If you´d watched seans vid about basics in excalibur you´d now that you are suppose to turn yourself if diabolo starts tilting. If that´s not gonna help just practice. Practicing is the key for this whole hobby.
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: Shawn Fumo on September 24, 2005, 05:23:24 AM
I haven't seen anyone else mention this one these threads.. but I saw in a video of a guy who was doing infinite suicide. While still doing it, he tilted it into excalibur style and then turned his body 360 while still doing it.. and then tilted it back into normal infinite suicide.

Anyone else done this? I'm guessing it needs a pretty short string so you don't hit yourself, but it looked really cool. I could try to find the video.. was in the middle of a hong kong yo-yo vid I think.

Shawn
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: viiru on September 24, 2005, 12:15:28 PM
Edit: Getting lot better vertax start instead of chinese whipping, you should try also start it with orbits or open suns. Looks much more smoother. Also you can start it from spaghetti or this 360twist as seen on trick of the week some months ago.

Couple of nice things to do with vertax:

First a vertax monorail looks sick and twisted and its fun to do. Basically you must do it around your forearm. Haven't figured out how the hell it would be possible around biceb.

Inverse vertax starts are also nice. So start with speed orbits and turn the diabolo "down" as if normal vertax would turn "up". After that, unwrap, turn 180 simultanously so the diab is at backhand string. Do a trapeze release and catch it to normal stance. Hard but looks really cool.

If you start vertax sun from up, you can put your left hand behind your neck, while diab is swinging right. here's (http://low.fi/~heimul/18520662.jpg) a picture of the beginning stance. Note the string around left handstick. After that you can either do suicide, change of direction or vertax guilliotine (which is _real_ suicide with finesse g1 :)).

At least one magic knot is rather nice and easy to do in vertax. Do a left hand missed (from crossed string) trapeze 3 times and release from trapeze.

I'll try (as usual) make some videos out of these but lack of DV camera is a bit limitating.
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: ming on September 24, 2005, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: viiru
Edit: Getting lot better vertax start instead of chinese whipping, you should try also start it with orbits or open suns. Looks much more smoother. Also you can start it from spaghetti or this 360twist as seen on trick of the week some months ago.


I find the diabolo never goes completely vertical from the sun, it nearly gets there but it always needs a few chineses snaps to get it to 'click' into vertical, might just be me though.


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First a vertax monorail looks sick and twisted and its fun to do. Basically you must do it around your forearm. Haven't figured out how the hell it would be possible around biceb.


How do you get into this position?

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Inverse vertax starts are also nice. So start with speed orbits and turn the diabolo "down" as if normal vertax would turn "up". After that, unwrap, turn 180 simultanously so the diab is at backhand string. Do a trapeze release and catch it to normal stance. Hard but looks really cool.


Using the above idea minus the inverse start when the diab is on crossed strings start a sun and then half turn and lo and behold your into around the body/neck


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At least one magic knot is rather nice and easy to do in vertax. Do a left hand missed (from crossed string) trapeze 3 times and release from trapeze.


Doing a triple inverse trapeze witha half turn also gets you into around the body

A few more nice ones. Do an overhead sun to the left so strings get crossed then reverse direction then put your rh behind your neck like the pic virru posted then unwrap the string with left hand over the top of the diabolo, the diaolo is now on an open string pop it up pirouette EXTREMELY fast, catch diabolo and your into around the body.

Do excalibur lie down lift your legs now do around the legs, if youve got a bit of ab strength you can go into a shoulder stand and do a round the stomach.

Want one more? course you do. Do a ufo grind on right stick throw the left stick around your body catch so your in around the body position throw diab up pirouette to right catch with left string and guess where you are?
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: viiru on September 24, 2005, 01:17:46 PM
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First a vertax monorail looks sick and twisted and its fun to do. Basically you must do it around your forearm. Haven't figured out how the hell it would be possible around biceb.


How do you get into this position?


Couple of ways actually. One is just wrap the string with your left handstick around your right arm while chinese whipping. Usually you end up making scratches to your hands this way unless you are fast. Also the position of the left hand is really twisted at this technique. It helps to twist also right hand a bit, but you might end up losing the vertical stance there.
I usually do a upper sun, turn it back in the halfway of it and do a suicide around my arm with left stick. After that either wrap or trapeze the diab to the monorail. My current record is 6 times around arm but it seems quite easy to do more.

Hope this helps. I'll try to answer more or get the tutorial done.
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: viiru on September 24, 2005, 01:26:25 PM
I actually just invented one more which is easier than previous 2. Unwrap diab, as it is swinging left, do a right hand wrap around arm same time than you do left trapeze with left. After that just swing diab back through the loop, wrap and start monorail.
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: ming on September 24, 2005, 03:40:50 PM
That one is simple, worked second time and haven't got the other two to work yet. we should combine our efforts around the body monrail? i reckmon it can be done
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: viiru on September 24, 2005, 03:44:53 PM
Quote from: ming
That one is simple, worked second time and haven't got the other two to work yet. we should combine our efforts around the body monrail? i reckmon it can be done


Actually there is one guy here in finland who does some sort of a around body monorail. I have tried it also but haven't gotten it anywhere near solid. But hey, if we don't tell anyone, we can say we were the first 8)
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: ming on September 24, 2005, 04:05:53 PM
I like your attitude  :wink: , you hear that everyone we done it first (video pending) * ming wanders off to get him a longer string*
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: Chiok on September 25, 2005, 11:43:13 PM
I saw some funky vertax stuff at Bristol JC this weekend.  A fella called Julian I think had a real good go at 2D vertax which must have taken a bit of thinking about on his part to come up with it.  Basically get one going,unwrap and spin round while you wrap a second diabolo in (like in 2D wrap start) and then give a lil tug to keep it spinning and then, well, I missed the rest of it, might have passed out in shock.  Was nifty though, gets very dizzy.

And JGerkin's ever so close attempts at the vertax genocide, and Tempai's sickening solidness of his double spin vertax genocide.

Chiok
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: Matt Pang on September 26, 2005, 09:45:19 PM
Yeah that was Vux from the Mad French Posse, doing the 2d vertax. Tempai was awesome, and John was getting really really close! Nice to meet you by the way Chiok...

Take it easy,

Matt
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: Chiok on September 26, 2005, 10:55:04 PM
Oh wow, didnt realise that was Vux, guess I've not really seen a photo of him since Diabology.  That's kinda pleasing to see him in action.  Why is he in the UK?  Yeah was great to meet you and others too.  You're a pretty nifty juggler too, your 5b runs are much better than mine and some great passing too.  Don't see many of the new generation doing much club passing.

Take care and hope we meet again,

Chiok
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: Squiggle on November 24, 2005, 08:32:06 PM
Hey I was just wondering if anyone had started 2 diabolo in excalibur by some one else doing excalibur and throwing it into you.   or trying s-fan with someone throwing it in
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: ming on November 24, 2005, 09:49:58 PM
Tried it into excalibur not too hard problem is keeping them going
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: fredo on June 23, 2006, 10:42:19 PM
sry for bumping up...

you talked about that monorail around the arm earlier in this topic...but don't quite get how it should look like...is it just like an around the arm-monorail? you've got a wrap around the arm, let it go through the it and throw it over the arm to continue again? or is it something else?

My second question is about matt hall's aruond the neck combo in the scj new years vid at around 0:47...how does he give the diabolo from the left to the right string? unfortunately, he turns right at the back in exactly that moment :?
Title: Vertax / Excalibur Advanced Ramblings
Post by: nev on June 24, 2006, 12:20:44 AM
Quote from: fredo
My second question is about matt hall's aruond the neck combo in the scj new years vid at around 0:47...how does he give the diabolo from the left to the right string? unfortunately, he turns right at the back in exactly that moment :?


As you come round to that position you should have the diab round your neck on the left stick (so that if you thew it to the left it would fly off open string) Then he just puts the right on (so if you thew it to the left it would hit the right srting) then takes the left off so it travels round the neck on the right string.
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