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Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Twilite on July 05, 2005, 10:15:28 AM
After a small discussion in the cleaning thread, and it seeming like I'm the only one stupid enough to use my diabolo on concrete and scratch and scar it all over, I thought I'd see what all you veterans had done to diabolos over time?

Compared to some sports, diabolos last forever it seems, but I'm sure some have given up and died right? Anybody got any interesting diabolo-death stories?

I was thinking, with metal hubs and friction and whatnot, a poorly maintained diabolo (especially if used at the beach) might snap in half during a particularly harsh trick. Not good for the owner, but it'd be cool to see!

So, anybody...?
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Vojtas on July 05, 2005, 10:54:30 AM
my friend's diabolo SURVIVED collision with car's wheel... diabolo was really deformed, but friend managed to "repair" it and now it works fine
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Arjan on July 05, 2005, 11:33:11 AM
My henrys are scratched all over the place.
Some rubber diabolo`s, like harleqino`s, the edges can tare apart.

Diabolo`s can last long, as long as you treat them good. :)
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: eggy900 on July 05, 2005, 11:37:58 AM
i got my mates jazz run over by a 4x4 land rover but it came out alright, the slight deformation corrected itself after a bit of spinning
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: barnesy on July 05, 2005, 11:38:10 AM
Quote from: Arjan
Diabolo`s can last long, as long as you treat them good. :)


Yes, that's the important thing.  I'd never use my Henrys over concrete, or another surface that might damage them.  They have some damage on them, but two of them are now over 10 years old, and are still going well.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: martijn on July 05, 2005, 11:40:08 AM
Yeah, as long as you do not use them, they last forever :wink:

No really, my diabs are scratched too... Many of those scratches are from rough surfaces when they drop.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Chiok on July 05, 2005, 11:49:38 AM
How far are people willing to travel to practise somewhere that won't scare their equipment?  I'm home for a lil while so I go out into my parent's back garden to practise on the patio.  The grass is at an angle so I can't do it there.  I'd like to go to a sports hall or a squash court or something, but it seems like effort.  Luckily my diabolos haven't suffered anything horrific yet, which is surprising.  That's some resiliant rubber they're made out of.

Chiok
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: seán_ on July 05, 2005, 02:00:21 PM
I'm not religious about only using them on good surfaces but I do tend to avoid the more harmfull ones when I can. there's a nice space just next to my house, enclosed but really rough tarmac so I avoid that and get my exercercise* by walking half a mile to some playing fields nearby.

but they are fairly resilliant, and anyway its not like we drop them or anything ;)
I havent had anything happen to mine more than getting scratched or occaisionally bent out of shape.

* The GF is right, I dont even know how to spell it
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: JGherkin on July 05, 2005, 02:00:55 PM
MY Circus have a few nicks out of the cups from when i was diabin in front of a fountain in soton with this crazy surface made up of really small spike stones...a bit like sharp tennis court surface maybe?

Other than that I've diabed all over the place dropping diabolos from huge heights onto bricks, metal benches, concrete, tarmac and all other sorts of surfaces...no serious damage as of yet  :wink:
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Matt_ on July 06, 2005, 05:09:09 AM
Twilite, what do you mean the only one?  :shock:

seems like a lot of other people do...

and besides, i use mine everywhere, parking lots, the concrete, grass, everything. i cant imagine mine breaking, really. in fact, it's kind of the opposite. when i bought my G2 one of the cups was REALLY deformed but it fixed itself through use...

although, the metal hubs are easily killed on a Circus...well that is where the teflon kit comes in :D
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: je4d on July 06, 2005, 11:35:14 AM
As Matt_ said, the metal  hubs on the circus get damaged - I damaged one by letting it bounce into a metal chair leg, and the other by landing it on gravel from quite a height.

my older circus has a tiny slice taken off the edge of one of the cups, some dents on the other cup where it's been hit with something sharp (these are only visible after it's been cleaned), and small scratches all over.. but it's still balanced perfectly, and with the teflon hubs they both grind nicely as well (:
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: azza192 on July 07, 2005, 05:09:09 PM
My henrys is scratched worse than te poor man who tried to pick up my cat!
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Twilite on July 07, 2005, 08:31:44 PM
So have any of you old school guys actually killed a diabolo from overuse yet, or is it true that they never die?
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Tom Derrick on July 07, 2005, 09:12:45 PM
I killed the crappy diabolo that I won at the BJC after my friends persuaded me to throw it as high as I could over concrete. The inevitable occurred, and the impact was enough to break one of the hubs, irrepairably.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: CaptainSpirou on July 08, 2005, 08:41:41 AM
Only thing I know is that using aluminum sticks with henry diabolos isn't good when the string gets caught during accelerations.  Before with wood the worst that would happen is the string snaps.  Instead the hub of the diabolo gets a major dent which wouldn't be so bad if it didn't interfere with stick grinds and mess up my sticks.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: seán_ on July 08, 2005, 08:19:16 PM
You might be wanting the replacement hubs then Cap'n.


I dont think I have badly damaged a diabolo yet.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Spink on July 11, 2005, 02:05:21 PM
Quote from: seán_
I dont think I have badly damaged a diabolo yet.


Lend me one then, i reckon i could even 'ave them fancy teflon ones with my ultra sloppy techinque :lol:  :wink:
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: CaptainSpirou on July 13, 2005, 08:33:35 PM
Quote from: seán_
You might be wanting the replacement hubs then Cap'n.


I dont think I have badly damaged a diabolo yet.


Actually I plan on getting Mr. Babache.  The cups don't damage as easily and neither do the hubs.  Plus the string get caught more often on Henry than on Mr Babache.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Sean on July 13, 2005, 08:38:47 PM
Quote from: CaptainSpirou
Quote from: seán_
You might be wanting the replacement hubs then Cap'n...

Actually I plan on getting Mr. Babache.  The cups don't damage as easily and neither do the hubs.  Plus the string get caught more often on Henry than on Mr Babache.

Glad to see we're not making any sweeping generalizations based on supposed fact. :roll:

Have a read around the forum... maybe through the equipment sticky links (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=3) to start with.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Deadboy40k on July 13, 2005, 09:44:17 PM
me not really other then my circuis being a lil dirty from playing it in a Church Auditorium (sort of, it was M.A.R.) its in fine shape, but my Spinabolo i descided to take for a walk when me and my friends were walking to 7 Eleven (praying atleast someone here has heard of one of these Miracle Convenience Stores) and throwing it up and it constantly smacking against the asphalt i didnt notice much difference in the play of it but the body was more scartched up then in one of those horrors like 13 ghosts with that one guy with the head in the cageand what he did to that fine ass spanish chick (like cat scratches but looked more painful)
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Chiok on July 13, 2005, 11:05:58 PM
Ah, we have 24hr supermarkets in the UK.  And Co-ops, but they close at 10 instead.

Chiok
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: CaptainSpirou on July 13, 2005, 11:07:06 PM
Quote from: Sean
Quote from: CaptainSpirou
Quote from: seán_
You might be wanting the replacement hubs then Cap'n...

Actually I plan on getting Mr. Babache.  The cups don't damage as easily and neither do the hubs.  Plus the string get caught more often on Henry than on Mr Babache.

Glad to see we're not making any sweeping generalizations based on supposed fact. :roll:

Have a read around the forum... maybe through the equipment sticky links (http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=3) to start with.


I don't if what i'm saying is a generalization or not.  I'm just talking from experience of using both.  It might be that the Henrys I have are the first "Large" diabolos i've had since i've used the medium sized ones up to now.  If you have the opposite experience with the brands than more power to you.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Twilite on July 13, 2005, 11:16:33 PM
I think the "sweeping generalisation" was that you said that all Mr Bardache's were better than all Henry's, and didn't mention anything to do with models or anything? That's how I interpreted it at least?
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: CaptainSpirou on July 13, 2005, 11:46:35 PM
Quote from: Twilite
I think the "sweeping generalisation" was that you said that all Mr Bardache's were better than all Henry's, and didn't mention anything to do with models or anything? That's how I interpreted it at least?


I think the sweeping generalization is fine in this case.  The cups and hubs of all the Babache are all the same material just like they are for the Henry diabolos.  I didn't exactly say Babache was better than Henry.  I'm just saying it's more durable.  Perfomance wise is another story.  Both diabolos are quite excellent as far as spin and balance goes.  I just like a diabolo that can take some abuse because I still suck.  If I was absolutely flawless I would probably go with Henry.

I'm totally assuming that the string gets caught more on the metal Henry hubs because that's what happens with every size Henry I've used.  Although with yellow string it does happen much less than before.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Chiok on July 14, 2005, 12:09:45 AM
Quote from: CaptainSpirou
I think the sweeping generalization is fine in this case.  The cups and hubs of all the Babache are all the same material just like they are for the Henry diabolos.  
I think there might be a lil confusion.  The Arlequin range use the same material in their range, but the Finesse is a different material (same hubs though I think).  Circus, Jazz and Kolibri are the same material I think.

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I'm totally assuming that the string gets caught more on the metal Henry hubs because that's what happens with every size Henry I've used.  Although with yellow string it does happen much less than before.
The metal hubs are more "grippy" essentially because they are metal which I quite like even though I have Finesses.  When I get the money, I am gonna get some circuses (and probably the teflon hubs as well).

Chiok
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Matt_ on July 14, 2005, 01:30:34 AM
Finesses are probably better if you're cheap, since they cost less than the Circuses. a circus costs more, and if you're gonna use non wooden sticks, the plastic hubs are basically mandatory. like i always say....i would never use alum sticks with metal hubs, for one they get destoryed FAST, secondly, they get your cups and string really dirty because of the metal crap rubbing off (even with wooden sticks)
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Sean on July 14, 2005, 02:44:01 PM
Quote from: CaptainSpirou
I think the sweeping generalization is fine in this case.  The cups and hubs of all the Babache are all the same material just like they are for the Henry diabolos.

That's not quite true, but that has been mentioned now. The Henrys Beach doesn't use the same hub or cup material and the Finesse doesn't use the same cup material (or hub material?) as any of the other MB diabolos. I can think of 3 different MB cup materials off the top of my head. But that wasn't my point.

There are many advantages and disadvantages of both henrys circuses and MB finesses. If you put teflon hubs on the henrys circus (as was suggested by Seán_) I wouldn't say that hub or cup durability (or likeliness that the string will catch) is among the factors that distinguish the two. From what I gather from the 100's of other posts on this subject on this forum and jongle.net, these three factors aren't among the common distinguishing factors for other people either. This is assuming that you're comparing teflon hubbed henrys to the finesses, which is a world of a difference from the metal hubbed version.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out that I wouldn't say that there's a need to rule out the Henrys circus because of those factors. I've taken chunks out of both my Circus and Finesse cups (I own 9 finesses and 6 circuses) and I've never managed to damage the hubs on either of them.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: CaptainSpirou on July 14, 2005, 05:15:17 PM
I didn't think about the Henry beach at all.  The beach is a lower-end beginner model though.  I guess for this site I have to be super specific.  My comparisions were henry metal hubs versus babache plastic ones.  I've never used the teflon hubs and I don't plan to.  It's probably more fair to compare the teflon ones to the babache hubs but they aren't the ones that come with it by default.  Henry metal hubs do get damaged alot when you're not using wooden sticks.

I've never really used Finesses before but that's also a reason why i'm planning on getting them.  Assuming that they are made from the same cup material was an error but I know the hub is essentially the same for all models.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Matt_ on July 14, 2005, 08:06:18 PM
strangely though, the beach hubs are super durable. when my circus' metal hubs got destroyed beyond hope (new henry's yellow string was frayed and dirty in an hour from using these hubs) i use my Beach. with 2 weeks of my usual stuff...the hubs suffered nary a scratch  :shock:
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: DrRobotnik on July 18, 2005, 01:55:34 AM
Quote from: Matt_
use my Beach. with 2 weeks of my usual stuff...the hubs suffered nary a scratch  :shock:


I've heard this from a few people but  the cups on the beach are made of a harder type of plastic than alot of diabolo's. Id have thought they would be cracked or deformed before any damage shows on the hub?
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Chiok on July 18, 2005, 11:03:00 AM
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I've heard this from a few people but the cups on the beach are made of a harder type of plastic than alot of diabolo's. Id have thought they would be cracked or deformed before any damage shows on the hub?
Ha ha, in I swoop.

Yep, Beach cups are made from "environmentally friendly polyurethene" I believe.  Which means that they are somewhat hard and plastic but still flexible, much like a juggling ring but not like a renegade.  Of course like a juggling ring, the edges of the cups can get scratched up and be a bit abrasive (on your face).  I love the diabolos though, which is why I'm thinking of getting Henrys next time.  There are a few scratches and such, but they hold up really really well from my treatment on concrete.  Shame the hubs are just a bit too small to put on a circus.  I like them though, good budget diabolo.

Chiok
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Matt_ on July 18, 2005, 12:37:14 PM
yeah, thats true. my hubs are perfect and my cups are all messed up. lesson here: dont use the Beach on concrete (or any diabolo, really). if you use it on grass and such though it should be fine.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Sir. H Jock (josh) on July 28, 2006, 05:08:55 AM
hi all
sorry to reserect an old thread but i had to show you some of my damaged diabolos...
this one i left outside on a chair and my dog thought it was a tasty treat.
it does not work at all any more. :cry:
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6889/diabs008ys1.th.jpg) (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diabs008ys1.jpg)(http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2618/diabs014gn9.th.jpg) (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diabs014gn9.jpg)
this one just got brittle from old age and then took a hard hit to the ground.
(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1469/diabs029ep7.th.jpg) (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diabs029ep7.jpg)(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4504/stuff012nr6.th.jpg) (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stuff012nr6.jpg)
and this one is my 3year old nephew's. and grandad stood on it and one of the cups shatered. (three year old not impressed :x , maybe traumertised for life)
(http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/2748/stuff003ad4.th.jpg) (http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stuff003ad4.jpg)
click on pics to inlarge damage (if you dare want to see the tortute these poor poor diabolos have been through)
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: fredo on July 28, 2006, 02:46:57 PM
ouch! even seeing that hurts! Is the first one a circus btw?
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Sir. H Jock (josh) on July 29, 2006, 12:27:51 PM
ah no. 6 year old yoho...
Title: Roller Corrosion
Post by: Jsam on September 18, 2006, 04:35:18 AM
hi I have had my 2 circuses/circui  for about 1 1/2 years now and recently the rollers have started to corrode/develop a red rustlike residue on them.  I have cleaned them once and it was fine for about a week and then it came back.  Any ideas on how to fix this problem?    Pic below  Thanks, Jeff
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/at_jefft/Picture002.jpg)
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Matt_ on September 18, 2006, 05:02:04 AM
that's quite strange. all of my diabolos (circus and finesse alike) are polished to a shine simply from the friction of the string on metal.

so it makes me think that you're using these diabolos more for bookends than juggling...get out and use em!
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Chiok on September 18, 2006, 12:51:04 PM
That's definitely rust.  Unfortunately not much that can be done about it other than brush it off with some wire wool or a wire brush and then just keep it dry.  Most of the methods for preventing rust aren't really beneficial to diaboloing (oiling the axle for example).

Matt's right, general friction from play should keep it rust free and dry.  Don't take it to the beach, or into the bath with you.

Chiok
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Jsam on September 18, 2006, 02:16:56 PM
I have used them for 3 shows this weekend (fri sat sun) and they have never been near water
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Chiok on September 19, 2006, 09:55:48 AM
Some people (me included) have the innate ability to cause iron and steel to rust just by touching it.  We're not talking "holes in exhaust" sort of rust, but still the action of rust forming.  This is mainly due to your skin's oils which react with the metal.  I believe Circus axles to be steel as opposed to aluminium so will rust.

If you're really concerned, take the axle off, brush all the rust off and wipe it nice and clean, then put it into an acid bath (bit of lemon juice or vinegar will suffice) for a couple of minutes.  This will strip the metal of all oils and pretty much everything else off.  However, this will leave the metal in a state even more prone to rusting if not protected with some sort of coating or oil.

You could try putting a bit of WD-40 or other lubricant (not jelly) around the axle and then wiping as much off, playing with the diabolo with an old piece of string so that it wears in and see how that goes.  Otherwise, I'm out of ideas.

Chiok
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: mrpink on September 19, 2006, 12:06:29 PM
Maybe you culd put some metal polishing substance on an old piece of string and spin the diabolo with it for a while to polish the rust away.
Btw  2 of my first diabolos (Beach) have cracked compleatly around the hub (high throws on a hard surface...)  leaving me with onewheeled diabolos.
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Matt_ on September 19, 2006, 05:55:35 PM
Quote from: Chiok
Some people (me included) have the innate ability to cause iron and steel to rust just by touching it.  We're not talking "holes in exhaust" sort of rust, but still the action of rust forming.  This is mainly due to your skin's oils which react with the metal.


that's sweet, that's like a superpower in a way. you could be in the Xmen!

"here comes Chiok, with his ability to rust small metal things"
Title: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: The Vitamin Guy on September 19, 2006, 06:18:34 PM
Hahahaha, yeah, go and save the world Chiok!
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: kjm on September 24, 2006, 02:54:14 PM
the first time i saw a diabolo was 5 years ago at my freinds house
he was rolling it on the ground then i tried and i tried to throw it and i threw it too hard
it hit the ceiling fan and just knocked it into the wall(literally a hole was there)
one cup was in 5 peices
we coulnt even find the other one
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Jsam on September 24, 2006, 06:48:14 PM
I tried to rub it off with the string by holding the diabolo down with my feet and wraping it a couple times.  Then putting tension on the string and pulling it back and forth.  It got worse and I could smell something burning so I guess the "rust" is actually burn marks.  I am going to clean it and use new string then see if it goes away.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Diabolo88 on October 31, 2006, 05:59:20 PM
"the first time i saw a diabolo was 5 years ago at my freinds house
he was rolling it on the ground then i tried and i tried to throw it and i threw it too hard
it hit the ceiling fan and just knocked it into the wall(literally a hole was there)
one cup was in 5 peices
we coulnt even find the other one"

^OMFG, that is totally crazy ;D

On the topic, I´ve got a LOT of scratched up Circus Diabs. Some have very deep scars in them from being dropped on concrete stairs and sidewalks. I try to be careful now that I´ve switched to Diabigs, cause they seem more prone to become scratched. I have a few reserved for outside use or for juggling on rough surfaces. I only use the other ones in gyms. I think a Circus could survive most things cause they seem more "bouncy".
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: William on November 01, 2006, 05:02:01 AM
The edges of the cups can get scratched up and be a bit abrasive (on your face).

AMEN! I was doing neck bounces with an old scratched beach from my circus and it hit me about 1cm off my eye and left me with a (not very visible anymore) scar.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Christopher on November 01, 2006, 08:48:23 AM
i think this happened because your sticks were lifted higher than the string around your neck so it bouces torwards you Will.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: jacky on November 01, 2006, 01:09:12 PM
one way to avoid from getting hit by diabolo when doing neck bounces is keep bounces the diabolo and even it come toward you,you will have a chance to get away from getting hit.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: fat_hampster on November 01, 2006, 06:09:19 PM
Today I managed to  snap the screw bitt that goes through the centre of the diabolo (circus (with all-round hubs)) It was coming loose, so I tightened it up, but I tightened it a bit too much, and it snapped of at the screw thing at the end, now I have to try to get it to work via other means, hopefull Ill have it usable before circus skills tonight :)
clever me.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: William on November 01, 2006, 11:37:07 PM
i think this happened because your sticks were lifted higher than the string around your neck so it bouces torwards you Will.

Yeah, I was trying to do them very fast, I found out what I was doing wrong very soon after.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: ¤ ¢Ð² ¤ on November 13, 2006, 12:35:49 AM
so is it true that the circus hubs break easily?
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Sean on November 13, 2006, 01:46:23 AM
so is it true that the circus hubs break easily?
Am I missing where that came from? I've never heard of that happening, although I'm sure it's possible.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: seán_ on November 13, 2006, 02:35:31 AM
A few people reported problems with the Henrys allround replacements, but the designs been changed, (note the use of the word 'few'), other than that maybe he's thinking about the stock hubs getting knicked when hit by metal sticks/tips.


Any how in answer to  ¤ ¢Ð² ¤ , NO they dont break easily, stop worrying and get diaboloing
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: DiaboloWebb on November 13, 2006, 01:55:50 PM
my diaboloing buddy lent his diabolo to a friend, who managed to throw it over a bridge, down 4 metre's (sp?) into the river, we're going wading today.

EDIT: Well we successfully got the Circus back, after about half an hour of wading and searching. That should save us a good 25 quid.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: thewu on November 22, 2006, 07:34:12 AM
is there any way to "save" a dented diabolo? mine starts wobbling like heck after i give it a good spin (and i'm pretty sure the axles aren't loose). i dont want to order another one all the way from taiwan...   :-\

oh yeah and they're the rubber bearing fly diabolos.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Matt_ on November 22, 2006, 07:42:01 AM
Is it bent/deformed or actually cracked? Can you see where the problem is? If the cup itself is bent it might return itself to normal (my finesses do this) but with a cracked or severely damaged cup, you're pretty much out of luck. And I don't think that those particular diabolos are very high quality.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: cardsharp on November 22, 2006, 05:19:04 PM
is there any way to "save" a dented diabolo? mine starts wobbling like heck after i give it a good spin (and i'm pretty sure the axles aren't loose). i dont want to order another one all the way from taiwan...   :-\

oh yeah and they're the rubber bearing fly diabolos.

Have you tried filling the cups with boiling/very warm water to round them out? (I think it was earlier in this thread)

Also, try cleaning the axle on it - though I'm not sure it did very much for me when I cleaned it...
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: thewu on November 23, 2006, 08:01:25 AM
thanks for responding :)

@matt_ : its just deformed. i can hardly tell unless i actually roll it on the floor...

@cardsharp: i'll try putting water in it. would it round off by itself or do i have to do something to it?

and yeah i think its about time i find a safer practice place...
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: DiaboloWebb on November 23, 2006, 09:11:44 PM
i'd say fill them with boiling water/submerge them in boiling water, with the string already round the axel, when the cups are soft enough pull it out of the water and start acellerating as quickly as you can, whipping is probably the fastest way to speed it up, right hand wrap it, use rhythmic, fairly forceful pulls and try to get it to full speed, then let is slow down on the string as not to allow any bumps or wrap ups as this may deform your diabolo even more. When it has slowed down put it down on a soft surface and check that the cups have cooled down, then check how effective the treatment was.
Thanks,
Aiden

P.S. pulling the diabolo out of boiling water and then accelerating to high velocity will cause lots of very hot water to go flying in all directions, i would suggest doing this outside and away from any annoying infants that may complain if they get hit or burnt.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Sean on November 23, 2006, 11:14:57 PM
And away from your face or any exposed skin!  ::)

I'd try just sitting the near boiling water in the cups first. Watch any metal washers, hubs, or axles. They get hot!
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: DiaboloWebb on November 27, 2006, 03:22:29 PM
And away from your face or any exposed skin!  ::)

I'd try just sitting the near boiling water in the cups first. Watch any metal washers, hubs, or axles. They get hot!

that too, for saftey do it in chemistry with a full radiation suit on, making sure there isn't anyone or anything to graze and burn with your diabolo  :D
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Steve-O on December 21, 2006, 10:23:52 PM
I also am stupid enough to diabolo on concrete, and my diabolos are scratched all over, now my first diabolo is even having little shavings of rubber coming off of it. I don't think that it is hurting the balance but it might be.

-Matt
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: cardsharp on February 21, 2007, 04:47:44 AM
I don't know if there's any way to solve that, but I just had a crazy idea:

Next time you buy a new diabolo, take it apart and make a cast of one of the cups. Then when it starts getting scratched really badly, you can put like...some kind of gel sealant - glue?, into the mold, and insert the scratched cup. Any extra sealant SHOULD come out the sides, right? (You'd have to tape over the axle hole or something)
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: ncwalker on April 03, 2007, 07:03:46 PM
Speaking of the cracks, I have a Mr. Babache Harlequin that is showing cracks at the edges of the cups.  I am sure they will work their way to the hubs over time.

Has anyone found the right kind of glue to seal the cracks?

Superglue would be too stiff, it should be close to the springiness of the cups.
I tried standard hot-melt glue, but they are failing at the cracks again.

Was thinking the glue for bicycle inner tube patch kits - it would possibly vulcanize, but I am not sure what the cups are actually made of and how they would react.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Chiok on April 04, 2007, 10:24:16 AM
I'm not sure what the material is on harlequin diabolos, probably plastic of some description.  I guess you're looking for a flexible rubber glue or cement which I guess only a hardware shop will be able to help you with.

How bad is the cracking?  From my experience with harlequins, they might get some cracking as the plastic dries out, but it's not gonna happen overnight.  Probably still good for many more years to come.  If you're worried about it, perhaps just retire the diabolo to your shelf and spend £20 on a new one.

Chiok
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: k2pek2 on April 06, 2007, 12:01:34 AM
harlequins are rubber, and how did your start to show CRACKS? mine is alright looking except for the edges, which have gotten scratches but no cracks. can you get a pic?
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: ncwalker on April 06, 2007, 01:23:47 AM
Here is a picture.  I was pretty hard on it, but not overly so.  I already got a new one, but was wanting to see if I could extend the life of this one to try the new tricks on.  So as not to damage the new one.  My son uses one pretty rough, his isn't cracking.  One day I was standing next to a vertical wall, launching the diabolo against the wall so the direction of spin would carom it into the air, then catching it on the string again.  All concrete.  40% catch rate.  But it was fun.  ;D
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Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: ncwalker on April 06, 2007, 01:51:49 AM
Not too good at sharing photos on the net.  About as good as I am with a diabolo  ::)

Let's try this:

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/ncwalker05
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Nahxela on April 06, 2007, 02:57:00 AM
My diabolos are only a few months old and they're horribly scathed and scratched up, but they work perfectly fine :)

Although I've had a Chinese Yoyo, and I did a short toss (about 7-9 feet?) and it smashed in half over the driveway :(

I've also gotten a deformed finesse from purchase... In the process of getting replacement parts (cup and hub)
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: k2pek2 on April 06, 2007, 03:35:09 AM
WHOA! thats actually impressive, i wouldn't imagine a harlequin would crack, but i guess it did. as for repairing it, i can't really suggest anything, as the only repairs i've done are swapping cups and gluing sticks. oh well, sorry. (ha ha we have the same color harlequins)
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: ncwalker on April 08, 2007, 06:51:27 PM
I have actually emailed Mr. Babache, but haven't got an anser other than "Where do you buy them and can you send us a picture of a bad one..."

So I have been perusing the hardware store looking at glues.

My primo selection is from Loctite and is a product called "Super Stick".  Says flexible bond with 900psi strength when you are done.  There were stronger glues, but I figure if it is not of comparable flexibility to the rubber, it won't work.

And it said you could repair shoes with it.  My shoes suffer the same fate as my diabolo. :)

It smelled like model glue, so I am hoping for vulanization.  Will let you all know.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Radium on April 13, 2007, 08:43:20 PM
My first ever diabolo was a 4" plastic supertoy one. It was as light as anything and I took it to my primary school 4 years ago. Someone dared me to throw and catch it as high as possible I did it on our concrete playground and as it landed - CRACK! - my axle solid metal axle had split in 2 :(. We luckily had a spare.

Radium

Edit: Went a bit over bord with the smileys in the last line
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: ncwalker on April 14, 2007, 10:23:48 PM
Mr. Babache got back to me.  Their suggestion was what I surmised.  Loctite.  But you want to pick one with flexibility.  The rubber of the cups is not as strong as the strongest Loctite.  That would be a mismatch and cause the split again.  So far so good, but I will need to drop it a few times.

All in all, they (Mr. Babache) were pretty helpful and gave me a considerable amount of time when you consider the amount of money one of these costs.  Figure they are making as much as $4 profit on a diabolo (which would be a lot) they ate up the profit in all the diabolos they have sold me answering the emails.  So overall, I am really pleased with them.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: spanerman on April 15, 2007, 02:51:13 PM
yeah ive only ever had good service with them....like the time my contact juggling ball had some huuge defomitys and they replaced it straight off and upped the QC.......
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: cardsharp on April 17, 2007, 03:42:06 PM
hmm, this seems to be a new one - we've had two of the axles of our "Fly Feeling Corp" diabolos snap off with the end caps, anybody had this happen w/ other diabolos off of landing on linoleum?
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: zonelucifer on May 17, 2007, 04:52:10 PM
well while i was juggling the screw came of and the axle came off i was left there standing with the sticks in my hand :D....one half went down the street and the other one fell under the grass cutting machine none survived ......and it was my first diabolo....... :'(
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: k2pek2 on May 18, 2007, 12:27:27 AM
small diabolo + cruising fast + unstable = cup falling off and losing washer and nut, and other side hits window. search for parts, find parts. repair. ha ha
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Akse on May 21, 2007, 01:27:51 PM
I had energy classic sticks. My cousin was doing infinite sucide with them and the stick hit to sharp wood fence. Stick snapped in half...  :(

Then i bought extreme classics. They are much better.  ;D
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Asa (Formerly Legault) on December 11, 2007, 02:19:28 AM
I was pretty stupid and decided to bring my flys with me to a friends and ended up playing on concrete and grinded on a tennis court, and now the axle sounds really, really bad.
Does anyone know a way to ressurect a fly axle? Don't say WD-40, i already tried and it sounds even worse now.
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Eric Moffett on December 11, 2007, 11:27:55 PM
silicone lubricant (not lubricant for silicone, but lubricant mad from silicone), or I want to try the teflon spray... I've used trumpet valve oil with good results if you don't mind a higher pitched, but slightly softer sound
Title: Re: Damaged Diabolos
Post by: Aaron Z on December 12, 2007, 01:06:06 AM
On that note, I can give away about 700ml of my trumpet oil, I stopped playing like a year ago.
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