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Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on November 22, 2004, 05:19:27 PM
Quote from: Sean
-Other news: Babache will release some new handsticks for Chistmas which will be aluminum but similar to the handsticks they were showing at EJC that were see-through.

Hey, can anybody give me some more information about the new aluminium (or see-trough :?: ) MB handsticks? My Henrys alu sticks are curved, bended... so I'm looking for some new sticks as well. Maybe the new MB sticks are better then Henry's alu...?

I've seen the see-trough sticks on a picture at: http://www.shiltons.com/images/EJC2004/Resize%20of%20Rotation%20of%20IMG_8854.jpg
Antonin (that's Antonin, right?) is holding them... they look really cool, what are they made of? Are they strong? So many questions :!:
Title: Re: New handsticks MB
Post by: Sean on November 22, 2004, 05:25:13 PM
Yes those are the prototype of the new sticks and yes that is Antonin. I have no idea what those sticks are made of. The final version of the sticks is made of aluminum. I have no idea how they compare to the Henry's version. Hopefully I'll get to try some out at the WJF - I think Priam has a set from the factory - hopefully he'll bring them. I'll report back to you. ;)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on November 22, 2004, 05:27:34 PM
Okay, thanks!  :D
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on November 22, 2004, 05:35:42 PM
cant help on the MB sticks but the see through ones are possibly acrylic.

http://www.akrobat.net/shop/ sells some see through sticks in UV colours (german site easy enough to get around, they also sell replacement wide axle kits fo henrys) They look a bit hefty.

Seán_
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Priam on November 22, 2004, 06:58:37 PM
The see-trough sticks have 3 main features :
- the material is flexible
- the knot is free inside the end piece, so the string can turn on itself
- the iron end pieces are screwable, so if you have many of them, you can prepare a good string without the sticks, and change it in 6 seconds :-). My girlfriend has her (short) string with 2 end pieces, she can use the sticks as soon as I don't use them.

We (TMFP) told Mister Babache that these sticks are really nice for 1 diabolo, but for 2 and 3, the flexibility is not nice (you lost some touch feeling), so, because MB want us to be satisfied, he changed the material.
I have now for 1 month the same sticks (the same end pieces) in aluminium, and I am glad to say that there are the best sticks I ever used.
What I have is just a prototype, I don't know when it will released.

Priam

(PS : I hope you can understand my english)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt on November 23, 2004, 12:36:23 AM
Priam, thank you for all the helpful information.  We can understand your English perfectly.  Again, my apologies for forgetting my high school French (Japanese is like a computer virus--wiped out every other language in my brain).  

We look forward to seeing your sticks in Vegas!  =)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on November 23, 2004, 01:09:05 AM
Yes, thank you for the information, Priam. Your English is very well written and easily understandable. Even if it wasn't, I'm sure people wouldn't mind!

Sorry that my French isn't all that great now either. I took French in school for 13 years with 3 of those years in French immersion, but that was a while ago now and it seems to be wearing off. I understand written and spoken French very well but I can't write it or speak it myself that well anymore. :roll:

Can't wait to see your sticks at the WJF... and your finesses... and I guess we're pretty happy to see you again too. ;)

Sean
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: kragen on November 24, 2004, 01:08:56 AM
a quick question then... currently I have wooden and alu sticks, im thinking of getting either some carbon fibre or glass fibre sticks with the next order, which would be better for doing 2 diiabolo, if its the alu sticks then what preferences to people have wihen doing 1 diabolo :P

I've been messing with a friends glass fibre sticks and i really like them, (no idea about doing 2 with then though), but I havnt had a chance to play with carbon fibre sticks but I know the only difference is the material.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on February 24, 2005, 02:00:49 PM
Hey,

Does someone know when the new MB alu sticks finally are going to be released? I'd love to try and buy them!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: ronnie2tone on February 24, 2005, 06:39:51 PM
When the Babache website went live again I emailed them with that very question. Unfortuately no reply received so far.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on February 24, 2005, 10:30:28 PM
I heard the acrylics (which I havent heard much about and are of no real interest to me, I want the ally ones) will be out in the summer, so I guess then for the ally ones as well.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on February 25, 2005, 08:38:03 AM
summer!! *sigh*... they said (a long long time ago) they would be out with christmas 2004 :roll:

Well, we just have to w8 again.. I'm going to buy both sticks I think. The see-trough (acrylic) sticks look awesome! but the alu sticks are stronger. :)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on February 25, 2005, 09:03:42 AM
Yes, the acrylic sticks are very soft and bendable- not something most people would want to diabolo with. As I understood it, those acrylic sticks were only a failed prototype of the current aluminum version. I didn't think they were going to be mass produced and sold.

Last I heard Babache was going to make the aluminum sticks available to vendors sometime around the end of February.

Hmmm... that would be right about now... interesting.  :?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on February 25, 2005, 09:13:42 AM
Quote from: Priam
We (TMFP) told Mister Babache that these sticks are really nice for 1 diabolo, but for 2 and 3, the flexibility is not nice (you lost some touch feeling), so, because MB want us to be satisfied, he changed the material.
I have now for 1 month the same sticks (the same end pieces) in aluminium, and I am glad to say that there are the best sticks I ever used.
What I have is just a prototype, I don't know when it will released.

I think you've read it there Sean :wink:

Antonin, Eric and others from the MFP which were in Ypres, were using alu sticks different from the Henry's alu, so those must be the MB ones..?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on February 25, 2005, 03:57:32 PM
Quote from: Martijn
I think you've read it there Sean

No, I've actually tried them out myself at the WJF (well not while diaboloing... but I've had them in my hands... they feel like rubber). Yes, Antonin, Eric, and others are using the babache aluminum sticks. The acrylic sticks are a different design - not just the material is different.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: ronnie2tone on March 01, 2005, 05:41:57 PM
Received a reply from Babache. They say that the sticks will be available March/April.

(They didn't mention which year though  :wink: )
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on March 01, 2005, 05:53:21 PM
Quote from: ronnie2tone
Received a reply from Babache. They say that the sticks will be available March/April.

(They didn't mention which year though  :wink: )

Hahaha :P

But hey, that's great news! :D
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on March 29, 2005, 02:52:46 PM
I e-mailed MB, and they said to me the new alu sticks are going to be released: End of april -beginning of may. I REALLY HOPE SO! :twisted:

I really want those sticks! :)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Ed on April 27, 2005, 04:59:20 PM
Any news on the new range of "Energy" and "X-Treme" Handsticks, perhaps price?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Ed on May 12, 2005, 05:21:40 PM
Martijn wrote:

I e-mailed MB, and they said to me the new alu sticks are going to be released: End of april -beginning of may.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that this year?
Butter fingers claim the new MB sticks ("Energy" and "X-Treme")Won't be out untill summer 2005.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on May 12, 2005, 07:28:51 PM
I don't know... probably not this year :wink:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: -Leo- on May 14, 2005, 09:23:45 AM
I spoke to the owner of a juggling/kites shop called kites aloft and he reckoned it would be september before they are in the shops. He says Babache tell you about something a long time before it comes out to get you talking and to get your hopes up.

Leo
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: -Leo- on May 29, 2005, 11:04:41 AM
July now
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on June 15, 2005, 04:23:54 AM
Pictures were posted on Jongle.net (http://priampierret.free.fr/jonglargonne/MisterBabache_baguettes_Energy_et_Xtreme.pdf) [PDF] by Priam of the new sticks. Looks like they're going to release both the acrylic (really flexible) and the aluminum versions. Also check out the updated Mr. Babache news page (http://www.jonglerie.com/en/news/) for pictures of the handle decorations and a close up cut off picture of the screwed in tip.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on June 15, 2005, 11:59:48 AM
Thank you so much for sharing that Sean! :D I really want those sticks, I' think I'll buy one set of acrylic and one set of aluminum.

When can we order them? How can we order them? Are the sticks available at EJC 2005?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on June 15, 2005, 12:30:45 PM
Thanks for sharing that Sean, all looks awesome.  All of their new things that they say they were gonna put out, in a nice colour brochure (though Evo 2 is still missing...)  Are the acrylic sticks like the Beard Hi-Spin Control sticks (can't find a pic of them, but they're like bendy acrylics rods with blue painted handles, not great though.)  Are these the same sort of bendy?  The transparency is a cool though.

Also with the X-treme Sticks, they look a lil chunky.  Are they now Henry's Aluminium thin or MB Performer thin?  Because that was my main gripe about the MB Performer sticks.  I'm liking the ideas though of the screw on tips, it's what I've been trying to design ever since i heard about the development.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Arjan on June 15, 2005, 01:21:27 PM
I`m not sure who I heard talking about this, but I heard (possibly MFP member) telling there would also be the possebility of spare tips, so if they get nicks or stuff, you can just repleace the tops.
Who knows more about this?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on June 17, 2005, 10:37:48 PM
Back in December, word on the street was that the sticks would come with 2 sets of tips and that spare tips would be made available. Who knows what the final decision was.

Priam mentioned on jongle.net that the sticks are available now - it's just a matter of getting them through the distributor chain and out to the shops that ask for them.

So... feel free to start the old letter writting campaign with your local juggling store and make sure they feel the pressure. :)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Capitaine buisson on June 18, 2005, 07:43:08 PM
yo can find some information her http://www.jongle.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7949&start=15
to see the baguette on the reply of priam you must have acrobat reader
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on June 29, 2005, 05:54:27 AM
A little birdie mentioned this (http://www.jugglingstore.com/store/detail.aspx?ID=181) too me.

(Thanks Seán_.)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Diab_olik on June 29, 2005, 02:26:56 PM
I've bought the new babache sticks uesterday evening. They are pretty, i've bought the transparent energy.
But, cause of raining, i've tried the sticks only few minutes and with only one diabolo. The feeling is strange but great, because of the flexibility.
I will use the sticks more today evening, and after i will tell tou more about them.

Pierre
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on June 30, 2005, 12:24:07 PM
well the usual suspects (http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/diabolo_handstick.html) are selling the rubber griped x-treme handsticks in the UK. I assume other shops should now have or be getting soon so give your favourite shops a call.

I'm resisting hard since I really want the version with the plastic sleave grips (look less clunky to me)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on July 01, 2005, 08:35:41 AM
ooh, thanks for the heads up sean_. i ordered those sticks today (along with some henry's string and 2 white G2s :D )
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Ed on July 01, 2005, 05:44:55 PM
I really want to get my hands on the Energy sticks but i can't find a U.K Seller! So i'll have to stop my self from buying the X-treme and just be patient!

They look so good  [-o<

Finaly my new computer is up and running, wouldn't of expected to have 2 and a half full pages of new posts though!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on July 02, 2005, 02:06:44 PM
well I got them today.

lovely so far, I havent got them outside for the big stuff but they are working well for 2

My first impressions, chubbier than my Henrys. (both the metal and the foam grips), the weights nice, foams a bit rough but then they are new.

But so far I'm very glad I got them. I cant wait to try the plastic sleeved ones and even the energy ones.

I hate the string BTW. A hit in the gums and another in the crotch, where did I put my Henrys yellow?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on July 02, 2005, 03:14:20 PM
Quote from: seán_
I'm resisting hard since I really want the version with the plastic sleave grips (look less clunky to me)
So much for resisting hard.  You caved dude, you sold out...  They do look a bit chunky (how MB like their things).

Good that they've finally come out, thought they'd never see the light of day.  As long as they get it right first time and haven't rushed anything.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on July 02, 2005, 03:28:18 PM
yeah I folded quicker than Superman on laundry day.

The clunkiness is not that bad a thing actually. simple things like whip catches sometimes cause me trouble with my short henrys but the choggin' grips seem to help here (and I wasn't going to wait 5 years for babache to sell the old performer handgrips ;) ).They arent as good for grinds IMHO that isn't a big thing for me.

The literature that comes with them mentions using teflon tape on the threads so I'm expecting the threads to come loose sooner than later.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on July 02, 2005, 07:48:28 PM
yeah that's what i was wondering. how often are you gonna have to keep rescrewing the tops on? well, we shall see when i get them...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Llama_Bill on July 12, 2005, 01:23:10 PM
Both of the new Mr Babache sticks the energy and the x-treme ones will be availible at EPCC.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Vojtas on July 12, 2005, 01:35:57 PM
I tried new X-Treme sticks (think it was them) and I really like them.. Seems like everything goes pretty well with them..  :D

And yes, they are rescrewing VERY often... Looked something like that: Antonin was doing combo, after it he "rescrewed" his sticks and continued  :lol:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on July 12, 2005, 03:03:05 PM
Quote from: bLUe/shaDOw
And yes, they are rescrewing VERY often... Looked something like that: Antonin was doing combo, after it he "rescrewed" his sticks and continued

Yes, but an Antonin combo can go on for hours so that's not saying very much.  :lol:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: JGherkin on July 12, 2005, 04:47:11 PM
Couldn't you just put somethin on it to stop that? Like all the suggestions for stopping axles unscrewing after taking diabs apart or some sticky tape?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: norbi on July 12, 2005, 04:53:02 PM
Quote from: bLUe/shaDOw
And yes, they are rescrewing VERY often... Looked something like that: Antonin was doing combo, after it he "rescrewed" his sticks and continued  :lol:


Do you mean that they came loose and he had to tighten them? Or he replaced his string after the combo?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: ming on July 12, 2005, 05:02:06 PM
If they're coming loose all the time. just go to the hardware store and get some thread tape should keep em nice and tight
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on July 12, 2005, 05:05:06 PM
Not that I have them infront of me or have used them, but I think the problem is that when you tie the knot in the string, it can stick in the tip hole and not rotate as freely.  Thus if you do suns and the such, the twisting string would unscrew the tip instead as it takes the path of least resistance.  It seems a shame to have to modify the new sticks to make them work as required.

Maybe tying a larger bulbous knot would prevent the knot sticking in the tip hole.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Vojtas on July 12, 2005, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: norbi
Do you mean that they came loose and he had to tighten them? Or he replaced his string after the combo?


In Antonin case I wouldn't be surprised, if he had to replace the string, but they came loose... He was tightening them often, but

Quote from: ming
If they're coming loose all the time. just go to the hardware store and get some thread tape should keep em nice and tight


this will work well, I think.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Vojtas on July 12, 2005, 05:47:19 PM
Another thing I remembered: This is written on the JugglingStore.com (http://JugglingStore.com):
Quote
Currently, we have these sticks available in aluminum with a black grip assembly. Coming later this summer is the clear sticks with clear grip assembly.

Clear sticks with clear grip assembly - this are the Antonin's sticks! Later this summer! But check the Baguettes and Diabolos video on Diabology. Sometimes HE GOT THEM!!! AND THIS WAS FILMED YEAR AND HALF AGO!!!  :evil:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on July 12, 2005, 05:51:19 PM
When you've got Mr B in your pocket, you can always get the sneak peeks at the good stuff.  
Also, with the clear grip assembly, what material is the handle then?  Is it some sort of clear silicone grip like a devilstick handstick?  Or a clear compressed foam?  Hmm....

Chiok
"Glass 1/4" thick? Transparent Aluminium?"
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Vojtas on July 12, 2005, 05:54:05 PM
Quote from: xfirebladex
Also, with the clear grip assembly, what material is the handle then?  Is it some sort of clear silicone grip like a devilstick handstick?


Exactly. And: You know how the black grip on the Henrys Alu is going down? So, that's much worse! But they're just so nice and light. I sooo want them..  :D
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Capitaine buisson on July 17, 2005, 09:57:18 PM
i just wanna say something about the energy THEY SUCK my two set of stick are broken in 6 or 5 days at the same point and the grip always go away if you make two mini genocide
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on July 18, 2005, 09:15:37 AM
Damn... So they are more flexible AND breakable compared to Henry's Carbon/Fibre glass sticks...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: eggy900 on July 18, 2005, 09:51:06 AM
the string tying part on my xtreme sticks has broken, i'm sending them back but i'll still get another pair, MB are usually very reliable
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on July 18, 2005, 10:33:56 AM
Have a look at unicycle.com (http://www.unicycle.uk.com/shop/shopdisplayproduct.asp?catalogid=776). :wink:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on July 18, 2005, 11:24:01 AM
Quote from: Unicyle.uk.com
strong yet flexible
Oh dear...  That's a real shame, I would have thought the Energy sticks would have allowed for a real bouncy action.  I wanted to try them and see if getting into vertical was easier with them.  Maybe MB were in a hurry?
And can anyone verify the diameter of the Xtreme shaft?  Is it thinner than the MB Performer shaft?  
Sorry to hear about your sticks Capitaine and Eggy

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on July 18, 2005, 11:50:32 AM
Quote from: Sean
A little birdie mentioned this (http://www.jugglingstore.com/store/detail.aspx?ID=181) too me.

They also have the clear handle now! :)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Capitaine buisson on July 18, 2005, 11:52:59 AM
Quote from: eggy900
the string tying part on my xtreme sticks has broken, i'm sending them back but i'll still get another pair, MB are usually very reliable


whoa in france we only got energy (too flexible too breakable) where do you get your extreme? :o
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on July 18, 2005, 12:35:35 PM
i got my sticks from firetoys.co.uk...

by the way, i hit my stick on the balcony, and now the cap wont screw down all the way. its weird, there is a tiny gap (1 mm or so) and it wotn close at all. its not a problem with the thread i think, maybe the actual tubing got pushed down...its really weird
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on July 18, 2005, 12:47:50 PM
As far I know, they are available here:

Firetoys (http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/diabolo_handstick.html)

Jugglingstore.com (http://www.jugglingstore.com/products/diabolos.html#b)

Unicycle.com (http://www.unicycle.uk.com/shop/shopdisplayproduct.asp?catalogid=776)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on July 18, 2005, 01:17:53 PM
Matt_

unscrew  both ends, see if the plasticy bit sticks out the same on each side.

If  not, the longer one is the one that wont screw  up properly, mine was like this from the start (nice one babache). I just pushed it in again by  putting my weight on it.  then it was ok for a bit but by using them and screwing them up tight it pulls it out again so the last time I pushed  it back I  put some superglue on the bit that would slide into the tube.

The ends have to be tightened up snug IMHO (and some others). A kid  at EPCC had a few mm gaps in his setup because it 'looks good'  but it provides  an area where  flex  could cause the insert to snap.

Edit: clear  sticks   available  from the shop  in Chester that had a stall at EPCC
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Capitaine buisson on July 18, 2005, 05:36:40 PM
i'v just got my extreme and i put the tranparent grip of the energy on the extreme stick it's beautiful  :D
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on July 18, 2005, 05:53:08 PM
Quote from: Capitaine buisson
i'v just got my extreme and i put the tranparent grip of the energy on the extreme stick it's beautiful  :D

Interesting. Does that work well? Is it easy to remove the black handle? Does  the 'new' clear handle stay on the stick?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: eggy900 on July 18, 2005, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: Capitaine buisson


whoa in france we only got energy (too flexible too breakable) where do you get your extreme? :o


I got mine from www.firetoys.co.uk

They are most helpful and are replacing my broken ones
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Capitaine buisson on July 19, 2005, 12:17:25 PM
Quote from: Martijn
Quote from: Capitaine buisson
i'v just got my extreme and i put the tranparent grip of the energy on the extreme stick it's beautiful  :D

Interesting. Does that work well? Is it easy to remove the black handle? Does  the 'new' clear handle stay on the stick?


you just have to cut the grip of the extreme and put 2 circle of extra glu at the bigin and end then put the grip of the energy transparent i use it two days only but i love it confortable and very nice i'm gonna call them pétrouchka and devotchka  :D
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Capitaine buisson on July 19, 2005, 08:16:30 PM
(http://f.bigas.free.fr/divers/Photo%200287.JPG)
extreme mister babache


(http://f.bigas.free.fr/divers/Photo%200288.JPG)
henry alu mister babache extreme et energy
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on July 20, 2005, 12:27:34 AM
Must say, those do look sexy, good job on the handle changing, beat MB to it eh  :wink:

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on July 20, 2005, 12:01:32 PM
It's not fair! All you guys have them already... and I don't  :cry:  :P
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Spink on July 20, 2005, 01:05:15 PM
how do they differ to Henry'sAli??

Appart from the changable tip, are they more responsive?

the extreme i mean

p.s  Cheers Séan_ you've got me all paraniod about my avatar thing now! :lol:

It gets camper every time i look at it :roll:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Vojtas on July 20, 2005, 03:30:47 PM
Quote from: Spink
how do they differ to Henry'sAli??

Appart from the changable tip, are they more responsive?

the extreme i mean

they are completely different. can't describe it, though... :oops:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Philipp K on July 20, 2005, 04:00:22 PM
Hey,

I'm a big fan of most of the MB stuff.
Unfortunately I don't know any shop in Germany who carrys a lot of MB.
(I only know of 2 shops, who only carry 2 Diabolo sizes and that'S it).

So I was wondering, where do you guys shop ?

Name any of your favourite shops, I'm sure it'll help.

Cheers,
P.A
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: eggy900 on July 20, 2005, 08:08:06 PM
i get all my MB equipment from www.firetoys.co.uk

But most other stuff like beard and henry's i get straight from the factory. But firetoys has the widest range and good customer service.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Capitaine buisson on July 20, 2005, 08:12:27 PM
the extreme seems more strong than the henry's alu and i think they are nicest than the henry the weight is better dispersed but that 's more a question of likes than other things
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on July 20, 2005, 11:35:26 PM
yeah, the Extreme does seem a lot stronger. my henry's alum sticks look like bananas now, ive bent them back a few times but im afraid that every time i bend em back it makes them weaker...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: ronnie2tone on July 21, 2005, 06:32:54 PM
What are the new MB sticks like for grinding?? (i like grinds :oops: )
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Capitaine buisson on July 21, 2005, 07:57:55 PM
i think it's less good than the henry alu because they are largest!
lol matt i have the same problem with my alu stick one time in a sucide of infinite sucide one of the stick goes to 90°
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on July 21, 2005, 09:34:57 PM
Quote from: ronnie2tone
What are the new MB sticks like for grinding?? (i like grinds :oops: )


pretty awful unless you have a Finesse with Evo1 kit. they are freakin huge and their material isnt conducive to grinds, on a regular finesse or a henry's you wont get much grind length.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on July 22, 2005, 11:05:38 PM
That was something I was afraid of was the thickness of the shafts.  I guess grinding isn't really in fashion anymore :(

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on July 22, 2005, 11:12:03 PM
Quote from: Matt_
Quote from: ronnie2tone
What are the new MB sticks like for grinding?? (i like grinds :oops: )


pretty awful unless you have a Finesse with Evo1 kit.

So, how are these sticks for grind moves with a wide axled Finesse? Is it still really easy?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on July 22, 2005, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: Martijn
So, how are these sticks for grind moves with a wide axled Finesse?

Well, at the WJF, Eric was able to do his traditional grind sequence (the one that finishes with a behind the head pass) with the new sticks and wide axles without any problem. I guess they aren't as good as the skinnier henrys sticks for grinds, but for normal grind moves with normal axles I find them just fine.

They just wouldn't win any grinding competitions - that's all. :P
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on July 22, 2005, 11:30:19 PM
The reason that I'm asking is that I have been working on some 2d grind moves... a bit like Eric's routine, but with 2 diabs. :wink: If I get this solid, I might send it in as a trick of the week.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on July 23, 2005, 11:59:24 AM
nah, they're fine for grinding, the henry's alum sticks are much better for grinding thats all. as long as you have the evo1 you're safe.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on July 27, 2005, 11:57:17 PM
State of play with my extreme sticks (to the  max, imagineer etc. etc.)

The insert still slides out since the superglue did not do the job, I'll  have a crack at using epoxy (though  to be  fair I dont think I should have to do anything to a brand new set of  sticks). Matt_H and MattF's seem  ok.

Oh and I bent one of my sticks tonight which  surprised  me,  but I'm pretty sure my henrys  all's would have bent really badly from the whack it got.
Title: Mr. Babache Xtreme Stix
Post by: Sharpes on August 14, 2005, 03:15:17 PM
haven't heard much about the new Mr. Babache Xtreme stix, how do they compare to carbon fibre and aluminum?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on August 15, 2005, 01:22:25 PM
Well, I've owned the foam handled version for a while now. They are my favourite sticks and I use them exclusively now. I'm not so fond of the wide silly looking black foam though. I think the rubber grips will be perfect. I'll know soon since I ordered a pair of those in the midst of my I-can't-believe-I'm-missing-the-EJC depression.

The foam grips get larger towards the end of the stick. I guess it keeps them from slipping out of your hands... but really they're thicker than I'd like and look a bit goofy.

The quality of the end pieces isn't fantastic. One of my ends has pulled out a little recently and I do have to occasionally retighten the end pieces. This is something I'm sure I can fix with a little work, but still a tad annoying.

I love the swing weight of the sticks. More of the weight is towards the handle of the stick and they're a bit shorter. As a result, they feel lighter in your hands than the Henrys aluminums but they swing a bit slower. Triple infinite suicide genocides have never been easier.

The look of the brushed aluminum mixed with the polished aluminum end pieces is top notch too.

They seem significantly more resistant to bending than the Henrys aluminum sticks. I have hit them hard on the ground and on diabolo axles and they are still perfectly straight. My Henrys sticks would have bent like bananas. I normally have to straighten my henrys aluminum sticks every day, whereas I've had the MBs for over a month without a problem.

I'd say get the aluminum MBs with rubber handles, but I'll report back on those after I've tried them out. Really - have you ever seen a sexier stick than the rubber handled extreme? :)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on August 17, 2005, 01:23:58 AM
hey, i actually like the foam handles!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Jonnyh on August 17, 2005, 09:32:28 AM
Quote
I'd say get the aluminum MBs with rubber handles, but I'll report back on those after I've tried them out. Really - have you ever seen a sexier stick than the rubber handled extreme?


Heh heh, you wait till my Prototype Titanium handsticks come out...  :)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on August 17, 2005, 12:45:22 PM
Quote from: Jonnyh
Heh heh, you wait till my Prototype Titanium handsticks come out...  :)
If you could get a supplier, and manufacture them cheap enough, I'm sure alot of people would be very interested.  

Has anyone checked out my new aluminium handsticks in the Equipment sticky?  They're doing pretty well, discovered the type of knot I need to tie to make sure the string can spin.  And they've not as yet bent, but I could do with a better handle material.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on August 22, 2005, 04:54:59 PM
Hey you guys,

First of all: thanks for the 2 and a half pages of threads with new posts to read :P EJC was fun. Yeah!

Here are my thoughts about the new sticks:

I bought the Xtreme sticks with transparant handle at the EJC. I payed € 13,50. I put them on, and they came off really easy. So I returned to the shop. I had to wait in the back. Priam, Diabolumberto, Tom, and a few others were there as well. Enjoying the nice weather, trying the new stuff of MB, and helping people with problems - like me :P. Daniel said to me that the silicon/rubber handles are made for the deco underneath it. Without tape or deco, the handles come of. So I decided to put some tape on it. It worked for me. :)
That very same day I was having trouble with the ends of the sticks. The piece of plastic/teflon (?) where you have to screw the top on was a bit loose. So I went back to the shop and got a new stick. Next time it'll come loose, I'll have to glue or tape it I think.

At that time I really liked the sticks. I heard about the grip and tops problems before on this forum, so I wasn't worried. Then something really stupid happened. Before my show with Arjan, I was practising backstage with my Xtreme sticks. I tried a infinite suicide without a wrap (the fast one :wink:). After a few rounds I wanted to stop it, I failed, had a look at my sticks, and suddenly one of the grips wasn't there anymore! The grips were taped to the sticks, but still, I lost one of the grips backstage. :roll: Anyway, I couldn't find the handle backstage, so I went back to MB (for the 3rd time), and they were really friendly, taped my sticks - really nice - and I got a new handle for free.

The sticks are really nice, but they still have some problems which really need attention. Nevertheless, Mister Babache is a very nice shop, and they are willing to help you with problems. I like the sticks now everything is repaired, taped and stuff. My favourite sticks atm: MB Xtreme with transparant grip (and yellow MB string). Hooray for MB!

I also got the Energy sticks with the black handle. I like the black handle for the energy sticks, cause now they are better visible. And I won't use them a lot anyways. They are nice for 1d, but not that nice for 2d and/or suicides. I got them for free as an early birthday gift from Arjan :) Thank you Arjan!

(http://www.circusplanet.net/tijn/xtremeenergy1.jpg)
(http://www.circusplanet.net/tijn/xtremeenergy2.jpg)
(http://www.circusplanet.net/tijn/xtremeenergy3.jpg)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Arjan on August 22, 2005, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: Martijn
I got them for free as an early birthday gift from Arjan :) Thank you Arjan!


Ok, a birthday gift it is... :P It was just a gift my friend ;)

Yeah one of my tops on the xtreme transparent ones went a bit lose... I hope this problem won`t be messing me a lot.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on August 22, 2005, 11:43:38 PM
Ah, this was what threw me about the Xtreme ones coming loose.  I didn't realise there was a plastic threaded insert that the tips screwed onto, I thought they screwed directly into the tubing.  That's why the come out.  But I guess the Energy sticks are just threaded at the end?

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on August 23, 2005, 12:11:04 AM
yeah, pretty much. i dont know if it's possible to change the tips on the xtreme sticks though....MB does recommend that you put teflon tape to help it stay longer though
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on August 23, 2005, 12:33:55 AM
Quote from: Martijn

I bought the Xtreme sticks with transparant handle at the EJC. I payed € 13,50. I put them on, and they came off really easy. So I returned to the shop. I had to wait in the back. Priam, Diabolumberto, Tom, and a few others were there as well. Enjoying the nice weather, trying the new stuff of MB, and helping people with problems - like me :P. Daniel said to me that the silicon/rubber handles are made for the deco underneath it. Without tape or deco, the handles come of. So I decided to put some tape on it. It worked for me. :)
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At that time I really liked the sticks. I heard about the grip and tops problems before on this forum, so I wasn't worried. Then something really stupid happened. Before my show with Arjan, I was practising backstage with my Xtreme sticks. I tried a infinite suicide without a wrap (the fast one :wink:). After a few rounds I wanted to stop it, I failed, had a look at my sticks, and suddenly one of the grips wasn't there anymore! The grips were taped to the sticks, but still, I lost one of the grips backstage. :roll: Anyway, I couldn't find the handle backstage, so I went back to MB (for the 3rd time), and they were really friendly, taped my sticks - really nice - and I got a new handle for free.


An old BMX tip from back in the day might help to keep the grips in place. We used to use hairspray when fitting new handlebar grips, when you spray it inside the grips it helped to slip it onto the handlebars but then when left overnight it would dry sticky like glue, we did not need to use a lot of it. Maybe this and enough decoration tape migh help?!?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: ming on August 23, 2005, 06:24:38 PM
Anyone know any on-line shops in europe that have the sticks with the clear handles?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on August 23, 2005, 09:05:50 PM
Quote from: xfirebladex
I didn't realise there was a plastic threaded insert that the tips screwed onto

That's how the Xtreme sticks are designed. It's not very nice...  hope I can fix it when they come lose.

Quote from: xfirebladex
I thought they screwed directly into the tubing.

...and that's the design of the Energy handsticks. Much better then the Xtremes, this one doesn't become loose.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on August 28, 2005, 01:45:08 PM
Damn it! I broke one of my Energy handsticks :(

I was starting to really like them, and suddenly, when I was trying something of Dai (mini columns to anticide or something like that), one of the sticks said 'SNAP!'. A little piece of polycarbonate is stuck inside the alu tip now. I don't know IF I can ever get it out...

Here are some pics... :cry:

(http://www.circusplanet.net/tijn/energy_broken1.jpg)
(http://www.circusplanet.net/tijn/energy_broken2.jpg)

What should I do? Return to MB, and tell them that their sticks aren't strong enough? Or something else...?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fildas on August 28, 2005, 03:33:26 PM
Tijn:this your handstick????this break????
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on August 28, 2005, 03:45:40 PM
Quote from: fildas
Tijn:this your handstick????this break????

Erm, yes, that's what I just explained. Maybe if you'd actually read my post?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Arjan on August 28, 2005, 03:47:45 PM
I don`t think he understood Martijn.. Some people are not so good with English but are brave to read these forums.

Btw, it sucks your stick is broken, I`d say, return it to MB.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Mattias on August 28, 2005, 04:41:39 PM
Sorry to hear that Martijn.
Maybe those will be the new henry (carbon)fibre(glass), they might hold forever or they might go snap after a week.

Yeah, return them and get new ones.

Hope it works out.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on August 28, 2005, 05:02:05 PM
man tijn that sucks, that is the exact reason i got the Xtreme handsticks, i heard that the Energy sticks break like crazy.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fildas on August 28, 2005, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: Martijn
Quote from: fildas
Tijn:this your handstick????this break????

Erm, yes, that's what I just explained. Maybe if you'd actually read my post?
Oh,sorry..My English is not good... :?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Will^ on August 28, 2005, 07:45:26 PM
Definatly return them, they make them to diabolo, so if you cant do it, you're being done. Don't stand for anything but a new pair or your money back. Good customer service should be a top priority of any company. The only time you shouldn't take them back is if you jumped on them or something, but they shouldn't break from diaboloing!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on August 28, 2005, 09:05:56 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys. I've already e-mailed them. Let's wait now... (like always :roll: )
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Dai on August 28, 2005, 09:29:11 PM
Quote from: Martijn
I was starting to really like them, and suddenly, when I was trying something of Dai


Sorry, I should have mention not to try this at home...  8)

Dai.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on August 28, 2005, 10:10:54 PM
LOL :P
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Arjan on August 28, 2005, 11:14:40 PM
Hahaha, good one...

offtopic: Dai, what happend to your Feel Good Inc. avatar?? :(
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Dai on August 29, 2005, 07:11:00 AM
Quote from: Arjan
offtopic: Dai, what happend to your Feel Good Inc. avatar?? :(


I've never used it on diabolo.ca.
I only use it on jongle.net and msn messenger and I was about to remove it but if you want it, you have it.

Dai.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on September 02, 2005, 08:44:06 PM
Yay, I picked up my 2 new Energy sticks (although I only broke one) at the post office today. There also was a little card which said: 'Bonne chance'. Very kind of them. I had to remove the black foam handle from my broken stick, put 2 pieces of tape on my new stick (they didn't delivered grips, which isn't a problem) and put the foam back on. It works great, and I'm glad I can use my Energy sticks again. And... I have a few spare tops now! :D

Thanks Mister B. :wink:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on September 02, 2005, 11:10:02 PM
Glad to hear you're up and running again.  Didn't think you were a bendy Energy stick type of guy.  So what is the concensous?  Do people like rubber/silicone handles, or the traditional foam handles?  I've been trying to find a good compact moulded foam to make handles from but have had no luck so far.  I was thinking of using devilstick handstick silicone, but that might be a bit too hard.

What do people think?  Hope this Energy snapping business isn't congenative...

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on September 03, 2005, 10:20:38 AM
Well, first I used the carbon sticks, broke 2 pairs of them, so I switched to Henrys alu sticks. Although the Energy sticks can break (I'm going to be very careful now), I like their flexibility. Even for 2! It's jsut a matter of getting used to it. I think the Energy sticks are similar to the carbon sticks. Once in a while they break! :P

I also love the Xtreme handsticks. I have the transparant grips on my Xtreme sticks, and the black foam handle on my energy sticks. I like them both... Unfortunately, the rubber grips can also damage pretty bad when playing on concrete.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Valium on September 05, 2005, 05:55:22 PM
i bought the xtreme handsticks some weeks ago, I really like them :D
too bad i never had the chance to try the energy ones :P
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: -Leo- on September 08, 2005, 09:19:44 PM
I've done a tijn and broken my stick in exactly the same place. I'm getting some short carbs this weekend :P
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on September 08, 2005, 09:34:30 PM
Tijn and Leo, did you have the caps slightly unscrewed or coming loose often? I was just wondering since I could see how that would leave a area of stress. Or is it just down to weight and abuse?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: -Leo- on September 08, 2005, 09:45:31 PM
Here's the saga of how I broke mine. I was doing and infinate suicide and I think because my string was realy old it wrapped up realy fast and snapped the string near the tip of the stick.The stick then flew into a wall and made a loud noise and snapped :(

I don't know about the top being unscrewed.
ABUSE!!!! i think.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on September 09, 2005, 02:28:19 PM
Quote from: seán_
Tijn and Leo, did you have the caps slightly unscrewed or coming loose often?

Nope. Although the tops on my Xtreme sticks come loose every now and then, the tops (or is it tips?) on the Energy sticks stay very nicely and tight. Perhaps cause it's made of one part..

I was just doing something heavy with 2 diabs. I dropped a few times, and that became fatal to one of my sticks. I'm more carefull now :)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on September 09, 2005, 02:52:39 PM
See, this is what I meant by extensive cycle testing when I posted a message when they were first speculated.  Never know how a product is gonna be until people take it to the limits.  Why should you have to be careful with juggling equipment, just in the name has an inherent possibility to hit the floor.  But I am a fan of the innovation they have made and for the most part, they seem to be great.

But give it a lil more time, and people will be able to see my innovations in handstick design... *mwah ha ha ha*

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on October 17, 2005, 11:38:42 PM
Broke my xtremes. It was the one that the insert kept slipping out on so keep your eye on that.

some kind of genocide variation I believe did for them. :(
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on October 18, 2005, 10:42:42 AM
Quote from: seán_
Broke my xtremes. It was the one that the insert kept slipping out on so keep your eye on that.

Sorry, I don't quite understand that... Picture please? :)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on October 18, 2005, 12:51:47 PM
The lil bit of plastic that has the thread on that screws into the tip.  Only after looking at them did I realise that MB are using the same shaft as the MB Performed sticks, but with the plastic insert jammed into the end to screw the tip on with.  Crafty buggers....

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on October 18, 2005, 01:02:14 PM
Ah right, the weak point of the Xtreme sticks. They really have to fix that!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Monregi on October 18, 2005, 01:24:29 PM
I broke my energy sticks.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on November 04, 2005, 07:48:06 PM
(http://diabolo.ca/images/temp/broken_mb.jpg)
 :cry:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on November 04, 2005, 07:51:41 PM
No way! How did that happened? Poor you, I had that with my Energy stick. MB really needs a re-view on those sticks!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: keksie on November 04, 2005, 08:05:22 PM
I lost my 2x babache beaches and henry's aluminum sticks (or well, i forgot them unwatched in a public place for some seconds and apparently someone liked them and decided to take them..), had to buy new diabolos and sticks.. well it was time to step up with the gear anyway.., took babache extremes and finesses
to the sticks.. to be honest i liked henrys alu sticks more than babaches, i like grinding, needless to say that the difference between beach & henrys alu and non-wide-axle finesse & babache xtreme is big.. the design of the babache stick (removable tip mainly) doesnt make me feel very confident of lasting long..
overall im happy with the finesses tho, just have to get more used to them, and get some money to buy wide axles and alu sticks and uhmm leds and all that other fancy stuff..
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on November 04, 2005, 08:31:32 PM
wow, that sucks Sean. i finally bent my Xtreme sticks after many mishaps, this time it was my DVD rack who bent the sticks, it dented my kill bill DVD too. that'll teach me to control my temper.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on November 04, 2005, 09:40:16 PM
Quote from: Martijn
No way! How did that happen?...

A double antisuicide. I suppose the stick must have nicked the floor. I didn't notice that though... all I noticed was the stick flying across the gym. Seeing as how that's the first stick I've broken in all my years of diaboloing I'm not too impressed with the design. Those sticks didn't have the typical problem with the end not being flush with the aluminum (unlike my other ones). Oh well, I still have a pair with the foam handles.

Say, has anyone had any luck getting the foam grips off? I might try and put my rubber grips on my working set. I'm a bit scared to try and get the rubber  grips off the electrical tape wrapped handle. Why on Earth did MB not make their final version like their prototype with handles that were solid colours and stayed on without tape!? At least they could sell the sheets you're supposed to put underneath to keep the handle from flying off. sigh. :)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on November 04, 2005, 09:58:07 PM
Quote from: Sean
Say, has anyone had any luck getting the foam grips off?

Yes, I had to do that with my Energy stick (the broken one), cause MB only sent me sticks, no grips. It takes a lot of elbow grease to take the black foam handle of, but it is do-able. The black foam also needs tape to stay on the stick... rubbish.

Good luck with it!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on November 05, 2005, 02:41:24 PM
I feel your pain Sean

Firetoys sent me a replacement set which was nice, I'm down the postage and the replacement set had the dreaded gap on both sticks so I'm waiting for them to break as well :(

Mr B will get a rep for bad quality control if he isn't carefull...

Ally inserts might be the way to go
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fadge on November 06, 2005, 07:24:45 PM
hey sean,i saw the pic of ure broken sticks, this happened to me too. but i have found a way to fix them, if not make them stronger,

if u drill out the plastic from the sticks and the tip(which is awkward) u can then screw a bolt into the stick, if it is a tight fit, it creates its own thread(if u get me) then u saw off the bolt head and can file it down to smooth it out, then re-thread the very tip of it and you can then put the tips back on. mayby need some teflon tape to stop any un wanted unscrewing. but apart from that they are back to normal and alot stronger.

adam
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on November 07, 2005, 09:48:08 AM
See, now I knew some serious testing would be required on these sticks.  It's such shame MB spend so long releasing something, and then it's still not right (have I said this before).  As for the suggestion ahem, "Fadge" had, it would work if you were able to find a bolt to fit.  I'm guessing M10 x0.75 but I've never actually had a good look at one in person.

Tapping the aluminium tube with the bolt would be crass, but it could work.  Shame about the sticks though.  Shame I've not been able to develop mine more either.  Though after several weeks, the entirely nylon tip is holding up well.  No string cutting at all.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Valium on November 19, 2005, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: Martijn
(http://www.circusplanet.net/tijn/energy_broken1.jpg)

stupid energy sticks
my sticky also broke like this, not even a hard trick, just doing some around the arm stuff
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Punkerpanda on December 05, 2005, 02:08:33 AM
I'm working on making glow in the dark(LED powered or something like that) handsticks, and while i was looking at mr babache's website, i discovered the x-treme transparent handsticks. ( http://www.jonglerie.com/en/news/ )
Initially i was thinking about using polycarbonate, but htat's what the energy sticks are out of, which makes them flexible.
My question is: does anybody know what the x-treme transparent handsticks are made out of?

my current guess is acrylic, but i could be wrong.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Mattias on December 05, 2005, 08:13:46 AM
My xtreme sticks broke thursday. I can't believe how stupid MB was for using that silly plastic thing for screwing the top onto. My friends sticks plastic thing got janked out and is now stuck in one of the top pieces, and my plastic thing just got broken in half. MB are total imbecils when it comes to sticks.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Punkerpanda on December 06, 2005, 09:50:58 PM
You guys might find this interesting. I emailed mr babache yesterday about what material they use for their transparent x-treme sticks. I didnt really expect them to reveal it, but i thought i would give it a shot. well, i got this email back:

Hello Viktor,

We can not give you this information because we are making new sticks with
light inside and it is
hours of study to find the good material : sorry not helping you
I hope for you the best

Chrislaine Schambacher

-------------
mr babache glow in the dark handsticks. sounds intruiging doesnt it. I just hope they figure out a way to fix the tips.

anyway, just thought i would share that with you guys.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on December 06, 2005, 11:24:49 PM
It does seem that manufacturers don't like letting people know what materials things are made of.  I guess it's kinda like knowing the ingredients of Coke (a cola).  I emailed Beard a while ago asking what material the knobs and ends of their clubs were made of or who they sourced material from, they said they couldn't tell me and hoped that helped.  Really, morons.  At least they replied.  I now know it's a type of EVA closed cell foam, now just need to find where you get some.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Punkerpanda on December 06, 2005, 11:32:32 PM
it does seem silly, but ont he other hand it's necessary to keep them alive. if everybody knew what their stuff was made out of, other companies could easily produce them aswell.

i just wish they'd told me. it would have made my search so much easier.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on December 07, 2005, 02:34:43 AM
Quote from: Punkerpanda
what material they use for their transparent x-treme sticks
Victor, maybe I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure the "transparent x-treme" sticks are the same aluminum stick with a clear handle.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Punkerpanda on December 07, 2005, 03:58:24 AM
oh yeah, now that you said it i can see it. *sigh* there must be a plastic out there that's not very flexible and wont break!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on December 07, 2005, 08:52:16 AM
Quote from: Punkerpanda
oh yeah, now that you said it i can see it. *sigh* there must be a plastic out there that's not very flexible and wont break!
That is unfortunately harder than you think.  When the sticks is somewhere between 8-10mm in diameter and 330mm long, there's a fair bit of moment on the end of the stick and not alot of material to take the load.  The usual "indestructible" and stiff plastics of polycarbonate and acrylic would probably all snap too easily in the harsh course of diaboloing.  All forms of nylon might be better but not clear and probably too bendy, as would PTFE (Teflon [glass-filled or not]).  

If you do see anything that's a clear plastic and might be strong enough, take a sample of it, it would be cool.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: frank0072 on December 07, 2005, 09:09:58 AM
I don't know if this is ontopic, but I'll try it anyway..

Does anybody know what material doesn't dent (good word?) when it hits concrete, like the tips of the MB-sticks. They get very rough edges when they hit the street, and that wears out the string very fast. I was wondering if there was a material that could resist such collisions and stay in it's normal shape, so the tips of the diabolo would be forever smooth, and string would nog wear out and break on the ends..
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on December 07, 2005, 12:51:31 PM
I think what you're looking for is "a material harder than tarmac (or asphalt)".  And I do mean harder as in if two materials had a head-on collision, which one would have the dent in it?  The tips are made out of aluminium I'm guessing which isn't really very hard even when plated.  They'll always be little particles in the cement, concrete, tarmac or whatever you're practising over that could have a local hardness higher than the metal due to lil bits of glass or rock.

You could use steel and heat treat it to a superior hardness, but it'll be too heavy and if you do manage to nick it, it'll be a pointy cutting edge for your string.  Then there's the super material of Titanium, but good luck on finding a right sized piece and then machining it without dulling all your tools.

The tips on my sticks are nylon which are good because they've not once cut my string and not that harsh on my hubs.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on December 09, 2005, 04:20:06 AM
Well here we go again. If anyone's been following the discussion on Jongle.net (http://www.jongle.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=14822)...

Babache has stopped production of the extremes because of problems with the ends breaking. A new version of the extremes will be out in about 2 weeks. The outside of the sticks will look the same but there will be some kind of "screwdriver"(?) through the tube where the nylon is right now.

(Thanks Trash for the info.)

Maybe they're putting a metal rod through the plastic piece or maybe they're replacing the plastic with metal?

Glad that the world could once again be Mr. Babache's test subject. I'm holding out for the Extreme 3's. ;)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on December 09, 2005, 06:21:47 AM
well aint that somethin! i was so excited when these extremes came out...imagine if the G1s came out and this soon the G2s came out...ridiculous
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on December 09, 2005, 09:46:49 AM
Thanks for sharing and translating that with us Sean! It's way better in English :) I'm too lazy to do my best to read all of those French posts... :P

But great to hear they finally face their failure, and start making a better version. I find the sticks very nice, it's just that top-problem that's killing some (most) people. I hope they make it really rigid now. What about the Energy sticks, they won't be re-designed I assume?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: trash on December 09, 2005, 11:35:40 AM
I'm not sure that you understood well, what I wrote. The nylon parts are almost the same (also you can break them as well) but they stay in the tube without glue, so you can change them easier...it's just cheaper to just change the plastics parts, than the whole sticks  :lol:

No metal Sean...sorry...keep testing  :wink:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Punkerpanda on December 09, 2005, 05:14:02 PM
it could just be a temporary solution so people dont have to buy new sticks all the time since it will probably be cheaper to buy the tip then a new stick.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on December 12, 2005, 12:43:19 PM
I don't think I'm entirely understanding the changes that are being made.  So the nylon tip that is inserted into the aluminium shaft is being redesigned, how?  Does it seem like this will solve any problems that are being experienced?  Good that MB have taken notice and decided to change it.

Though if it's anything like work here, getting anything changed takes ages and ages and loads of signatures.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on December 12, 2005, 02:27:28 PM
I have it in my head that they are going to use a grub screw to keep the plastic insert in place. I could be totally wrong about that but that would stop the insert slipping out and flexing/breaking during use and aid reoval 'when' it does snap (but not from the metal ends).
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Valium on December 12, 2005, 03:49:51 PM
I would propably easier if they change the plastic part into a nonbreaking metal  :roll:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Mattias on December 12, 2005, 04:15:52 PM
Just a money sceem(sp?). Now they'll sell alot of new tips. I would say, boycot Mr.B until they do a good stick, they haven't succeeded yet...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: frank0072 on December 13, 2005, 12:21:33 AM
Quote from: Valium
I would propably easier if they change the plastic part into a nonbreaking metal  :roll:


It would even be better if they construct the insertable part and the stick itself from one piece, so that a stick only is 3 parts: stick, tip and foam.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on December 13, 2005, 08:51:18 AM
Quote from: frank0072
It would even be better if they construct the insertable part and the stick itself from one piece, so that a stick only is 3 parts: stick, tip and foam.
The aluminium tube for the Xtreme's is the same as used for the MB Performer sticks I believe.  They either had surplus stock of it (seeing how it's an awful stick) or still source it from the same people.  Good to go with what you know.

But yeah, with less parts, less parts to go wrong.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: busk on January 25, 2006, 08:52:53 AM
today i broke my 7th stick! yeah! 8)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on January 25, 2006, 09:11:58 AM
Why would you keep buying them?!?!  I tell you, more money than sense some people...   :wink:

Hope MB really sort it out, that's a lil ridiculous.  Kinda like Microsoft and XP.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on January 25, 2006, 10:15:18 AM
'We the undersigned, ask you, Mr Babache, to sort your sh*t out in the matter of Xtreme sticks. Oh and when you are at it the Energy ones arent that perfect as well... Oh and next time you release something like light kits how about including proper instructions so people dont face the risk of burning their house down? (Releasing the chargers and splitters at the same time wouldn't have gone amiss)

Oh and loose the rabbit logo'  :twisted:

They'll be first against the wall come the revoloution.

I'm on the fourth set myself, I love using them but hate feeling like I'm going to break them at any moment, I'm avoiding certain tricks fair enough all sticks have the potential to break but I dont find it fair.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: busk on January 25, 2006, 11:03:10 AM
Quote
I love using them but hate feeling like I'm going to break them at any moment



me too! i'm falled in a kind of paranoia!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Crackers on January 25, 2006, 03:52:01 PM
hello ,
I've always used MB X-trem sticks since I started diabolo (3 months ago) , And find them great for all suicides and genocides tricks (well actually all 1 diabolo tricks ) but I prefer some finner Sticks for 2 diabolo.
Anyway , I was really disapointed when I brocked them so I went to a diabolo shop in Lancy (switzerland) and I saw Mister Babache ( 8) ) who told me that if your sticks break oftenly you can but them in boiling water , take the plastic bit off and put the same in aluminium , I don't that and since them I never had any problems (well they are a bit heavier now but it still good to save your money ^^)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Spinner on January 25, 2006, 03:59:16 PM
but....where did you get the alu parts then??? cause i'd like some of those...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Crackers on January 25, 2006, 04:02:09 PM
I ask to made one in a shop that makes all sorts of things for barthrooms etc ...
it cost me 5€ and its nearly unbreakable ;)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on January 25, 2006, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: Crackers
I saw Mister Babache who told me that if your sticks break oftenly you can but them in boiling water, take the plastic bit off and put the same in aluminium

Makes me think we should have BBcode for this:
<MB Rant>...and why the #%$& doesn't MB do that themselves in the first place!</MB Rant> ;)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Crackers on January 25, 2006, 06:31:52 PM
I think they should to but some won't like te weight I think ...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Pete on January 28, 2006, 11:12:03 AM
<MB Rant>Just broke some brand new ones on the first day of use. Did a double genocide, clipped a wall behind me and the stick took off like a rocket.</MB Rant>
The problem is, these are the only sticks on the market that i really like. I can't stand carbon fibre or fibreglass and the henry's aluminiums are just too thin.
I will have to take matters into my own hands soon.

P.s Seems like a good idea to me Sean
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on February 01, 2006, 01:20:06 AM
more gone west :(

actually the last two sets to go have been the new and improved versions. rather than snapping off at the join, they either fracture where the screw goes into the insert or explode within the stick.

one of the screws wasnt exactly centrally situated either. I'm on the search for a stupidly long screwdriver at the moment to try and get a pair rigged up in time for the Scottish.

Babache are lucky they arent in the UK or I'd be setting trading standards onto them
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: overdrive on February 03, 2006, 05:57:43 PM
Aparently MrB have started selling replacement ends for the extremes in France. Anyone know if they're available in the UK yet? Searching revealed nothing... yet...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Mattias on February 03, 2006, 06:33:35 PM
Does anyone know why they have not just made the 2 part instead of three? What is the disadvantage of making the thing you screw the top onto in aluminium and part of the rest of the stick. Do they just want to make money selling replacements?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on February 03, 2006, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: Mattias
What is the disadvantage of making the thing you screw the top onto in aluminium and part of the rest of the stick.
To make the top thread the same part as the rest of the stick would require the stick to be made out of solid bar first, the thread cut into the end and then the inside drilled out.  That's alot of drilling, 300mm worth of drilling, and I don't think they make drill bits that long in 8mm.  You need to drill out the aluminium or the stick would just be far too heavy.

I'm also a believer of the idea that Mr. Babache have a huge stockpile of their failed Performer sticks and are reusing the aluminium bar for their Xtreme sticks.  Not a silly idea if they did have spare tube.  Or they might just have a supplier that they like.

Oh, and welding aluminium isn't very successful.  It'd have to be an exopy or some sort of very very strong resin.  And that adds alot of cost to manufacturing.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Ginger_Tom on February 08, 2006, 03:15:48 PM
I quite like the nergy for 2 diabolo, as I enjoy the way the sticks flex for fans. Apart from that I'm really p*ssed off that my X-tremes went missing, which is why i bought the energy. But, what with firetoys at my beck and call methinks i'm gonna order another pair of extremes this weekend because I really liked them.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on February 09, 2006, 09:39:34 PM
i had thought the xtremes were indestructible...because while my henry's alums turned into bananas, these retained their shape. well today i was working on infinite suicide--magic knot--genocide and i looked my stick and....wow.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/hushypushy/juggling/bent2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/hushypushy/juggling/bent1.jpg)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on February 10, 2006, 09:21:32 AM
You're just a bull in a china shop aren't you  :wink:

Well, that busts that myth.  Guess it goes to prove that they do bend under general use.  Hope you can bend it back.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Pete on February 10, 2006, 05:34:29 PM
You can bend them back. Mine bend occasionally when i do genocides badly.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: frank0072 on February 10, 2006, 08:26:43 PM
Woow, that looks bad.

I see you practice on concrete, or something like that. Don't you have trouble with the tips of your sticks becoming sharp and cut your rope?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on February 10, 2006, 08:39:35 PM
He just took a picture of the sticks on conrete :P But yeah, a lot of us practise on concrete and are suffering from this problem.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on February 10, 2006, 10:08:15 PM
yeah, the tips are being killed. my Henry's sicks are currently out of comission because i still need to file them down.

the sad thing is that there is grass literally 10 feet away from that spot, the only reason i was on the concrete that day (im usually not) was because i was messing around with Martijn's bounce-minigen and variations thereof...and that's when tragedy struck :(
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on February 10, 2006, 10:20:47 PM
Quote from: Matt_
was because i was messing around with Martijn's bounce-minigen and variations thereof...and that's when tragedy struck :(

Sorry, I should have mention not to try this at home... :P
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Pete on February 11, 2006, 11:01:23 AM
My tips get messed up too. Moreso in the winter because i have to practice on concrete instead of grass. You can buy new tips if you can find somewhere that stocks them. I asked Firetoys to get me some and they got  three pairs in and i bought them.I think they were only £1.99 a pair. But other than that i've never found any other uk site that sells them. I think there were a couple of French ones that had them.I even asked Mr B if there were any UK suppliers that stocked them and he put me onto Butterfingers but i couldn't find them.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Andy on February 11, 2006, 01:50:10 PM
it seems butterfingers havent updated their online shop in ages. It doesnt even say they sell the new mb sticks even! but they do, some of my friends got them. i think you may just have to email them about what they have, maybe ask for a new catalogue.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: busk on February 12, 2006, 10:36:35 AM
Quote from: Martijn
Quote from: Matt_
was because i was messing around with Martijn's bounce-minigen and variations thereof...and that's when tragedy struck :(

Sorry, I should have mention not to try this at home... :P



Dai teach! :twisted:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on February 12, 2006, 01:49:13 PM
lol! But yeah you're right Busk :P
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on February 13, 2006, 09:37:56 AM
Yeah, you busted your stick doing Dai's minicolumns to anti-suicide trick I believe, and he had the same advice.  Ah how the irony flows.  Good piece of advice though.  I recommend, stay away from overhead lights.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: jammy on February 13, 2006, 10:24:23 AM
no thing is indestructible
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: jammy on February 13, 2006, 10:29:40 AM
tomas! energy sticks look nice and pretty,but ther flex to much.you best b getting some more extreme.

ps did you found that book?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: jammy on February 20, 2006, 11:15:24 AM
i have bent my extreme classics! they where bent like a banana!
they are straight now! im not sure if i would buy some more though.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on February 20, 2006, 01:11:08 PM
I just got two pairs of the new extreme version with replaceable screws and I have to say that they look amazing. They've got white and yellow handles, like the transparents had... (http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2606/p1010055large9bm.jpg)

I also ordered performance string and I like it much more than the henrys
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: hammerhead on February 20, 2006, 01:16:41 PM
what sites are selling the new versions?^
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on February 20, 2006, 01:44:14 PM
I bought it from a German site... http://www.ballaballa.de
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: hammerhead on February 20, 2006, 01:59:01 PM
are they better than the original extremes? and also do you think they will be availabe on an english site soon?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on February 20, 2006, 02:37:44 PM
I think they're better, 'cause of the handle... And i don't know when they'll be available
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on February 20, 2006, 03:27:11 PM
Thanks for the pictures!

First the typical MB question - Why didn't they do that (the handles) in the first place!

Also, do these handles fall off like the clear ones did? Do you still need to put tape under the handles to keep them on? Are they the same weight as the clear ones? I always found the clear handles a tad on the heavy side.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: frank0072 on February 20, 2006, 03:37:49 PM
how cool are those yellow handles! Now you can actually see your handle fly around :). How much did they cost? (my german is not very well, so I couldn't navigate the website..)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt_ on February 20, 2006, 08:45:21 PM
wow, sexy! i find the MB xtremes a bit too fat around the handle (for grinds and such) but nevertheless, those are excellent sticks, visually (and hard to bend, from my experience).

the future of diabolo is white sticks, mark my words ;)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on February 20, 2006, 09:04:13 PM
you needn't put tape under them and they're 47 grammes each and the handle is exactly the same, but in another color :P  They're perfect for me and look awesome. I waited for them, Antonin and Eric played them yet in the Ypres 2005 video of Niels Coopman... Just buy them, I did Inf. suicides and the handles didn't move a millimetre...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Valium on February 20, 2006, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: frank0072
how cool are those yellow handles! Now you can actually see your handle fly around :). How much did they cost? (my german is not very well, so I couldn't navigate the website..)

I didnt see the new sticks on the online shop homepage :P
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on February 21, 2006, 02:32:35 PM
The shop isn't updated yet, there are still the old versions of the sticks on it.. They phoned me and asked what I wanted, cause I ordered a set of Extreme Transparents and they aren't available anymore...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on March 02, 2006, 02:34:54 PM
:cry:

(http://www.circusplanet.net/tijn/extreme_broken1.jpg)

I am one of those many diabolists who broke them... :roll: I politely asked them for a set of new sticks (the ones Fredo also have), I'll let you know...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Tom on March 02, 2006, 07:06:17 PM
Hmmmm same thing that happend to me last week :cry: , i think it's my 4th time i've problems with these sticks
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on March 04, 2006, 11:34:44 PM
One of my white-handled ones broke in ypres doing a excalibur genocide...The stick looks like a banana and the tip is broken... And first I thought i had caught the daibolo, but it was just that stupid stony column... :cry:  :roll:
Title: Acrylic handsticks
Post by: reidbelstock on March 07, 2006, 07:12:17 AM
I saw some of the acrylic models in Norway.  They look alright.  If I remembeer, they were 5/8 diameter.  That is a bit weak for acrylic.  They were frontloading(they have a top piece that is threaded).  The handle does not come attached.  I didn't handle them, but I have been making a few different models of handsticks out of Acrylic.  I use 1/2 diameter.  I make one style in a hollow rod that anchors the string at the bottom, similar to comon fiberglass models, and another that is  solid.  I also have a clear light blue that glows great in blacklight.  Also, I make a Lexan stick that is not quite clear, but is super light, flixible, and is very shatter proof.  It is a 3/8 diameter, and is frontloading.  

I have not seen the MB clear sticks anywhere else, but Norway.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: nev on March 14, 2006, 02:12:05 PM
had to happen sooner or later - yep tip snapped clean off (& I'm not hard on sticks at all - its the first of any type I've ever broke).  Oh well, I was only recently thinking how good the new ones look but couldnt justify adding yet another set of sticks to my collection.  Now I can  :lol:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on March 14, 2006, 05:43:56 PM
And I have already sent 3 e-mails now, and still no reply from MB :evil: I've sent the first e-mail on the 2nd of March :roll:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on March 20, 2006, 01:21:59 PM
I got anotehr two pairs of the xtreme ones with white and yellow handle...but they've got another shape now. I think, this bis the new version with replaceable screw-ons (right word? I mean that always breaking plastic part under the tip :P ) But here the pictures
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3196/p1010066medium7nh.jpg
They seem to have a small unbrushed ring right under the tips...that's a sign for the "replaceable screw-on version"

yellow handle (http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8794/p1010069medium1lo.jpg)

white handle (http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2200/p1010072medium7sg.jpg)

The handles are longer and have a black ring under it... I think the old ones looked better and no I consider sending them back.. But at least I will put that black ring at the end of the stick, but I'm scared of bladders(If that's the wrong word... :P )..but I think it'll look better
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Spinner on March 20, 2006, 04:58:49 PM
Quote from: Martijn
And I have already sent 3 e-mails now, and still no reply from MB :evil: I've sent the first e-mail on the 2nd of March :roll:


same here  :(
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: frank0072 on March 20, 2006, 05:39:54 PM
Quote from: fredo
but I'm scared of bladders(If that's the wrong word... :P )


I always thought the bladder is the storage for urine in your body :-), and blisters are the things you mean
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on March 20, 2006, 06:15:36 PM
right frank!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on March 21, 2006, 10:17:15 AM
Sorry, could you say which one is the old one and which one is the new one in each of your pictures please Fredo.  I can see the difference, but not sure which is which.

I'm all confused over these changes MB are making.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on March 21, 2006, 05:59:54 PM
Those with that- ring under the handle...the yellow one's at the top and the white at the bottom... Also, the new ones have a small unbrushed part dirctly under the tips...

The handle isn't a special shape anymore(thinner at the top and thicker at the end), but is jaust a normal tube with that rubber ring under it(instead of tape). ALso, the tube is longer now...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: eggy900 on March 23, 2006, 08:50:01 AM
One of my energy sticks snapped this week,  :cry: It wasn't even under any pressure at the time so i'm trying to get it replaced. For the moment i'm using a combination of and extreme and an energy, it seems to work quite well
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on March 23, 2006, 11:48:28 AM
so.. MB also doesn't return to your e-mails? :roll:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on March 23, 2006, 05:57:09 PM
Oh, just for people's information:  Firetoys are no longer offering warrenty on the MB sticks because too many people have broken them and ask for replacements.

So if you break them, and bought them from Firetoys, they're not gonna replace them for you.  You'll have to take it up with MB like Tijn has.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: eggy900 on March 24, 2006, 02:11:48 PM
firetoys are replacing mine, got the email back from them yesterday. Firetoys have got awesome customer service
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: hammerhead on March 28, 2006, 03:27:00 PM
http://www.firetoys.co.uk/juggling/mr_babache_energy_glow_moon_phospho_diabolo_handsticks.html
just spotted these, anyone seen them before?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on March 28, 2006, 03:49:02 PM
Firetoys says: "[It] does not feature the same problems as the Xtreme."

Perhaps is the end made of metal and not the rinky dink plastic? I guess the question is, will the plastic stick itself be the weakspot?

Most variations on a pair of handsticks released in one year? Does someone have a tally? I think we're into the dozens. :)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on March 28, 2006, 03:57:00 PM
I picked up a set the other day for work but I havent even bothered to unwrap them yet.

You can tell how happy about babche proiducts I am. I broke a set of extremes the night before, we all know how babache could solve that problem.

BTW does anyone have the link of the juggler having a leak on the babache car, I'm thinking of changing my avatar.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Monregi on March 28, 2006, 04:24:47 PM
Is this the photo seán_? :twisted:
(http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/1624/im0002507eq.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Paul on March 28, 2006, 06:21:23 PM
lol
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on March 28, 2006, 06:28:23 PM
I think it'sjust the standard Energy version...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on March 28, 2006, 06:43:54 PM
Whooo that's a super nice pic! :D LOL! :P

Quote from: Sean
Perhaps is the end made of metal and not the rinky dink plastic? I guess the question is, will the plastic stick itself be the weakspot?

Nah, they only have that disclaimer at the Extreme sticks, not at the Energy, nor(bi) at the Energy phospho sticks. I think people just lost confidence in the Energy sticks totally, and no-one's buying them anymore :P
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on March 28, 2006, 06:44:17 PM
This could be moved to the diabolo art thread :P  :D  No, really isn't it art? We could make a photo contest..."Who has the best pee on a babache car???"
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on March 28, 2006, 09:11:38 PM
Quote from: fredo
We could make a photo contest..."Who has the best pee on a babache car???"
Aww, that's an awesome photo.

Feel bad for Babache, such high demand for their shoddy products.  I've got some of their rings, their still ok, but we'll see...  :wink:

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Monregi on March 28, 2006, 10:21:17 PM
The guy of the photo is an spanish juggler.
Why Mi$ter Babache doesn´t stop selling a bad product instead of sell the bad product and replacements?
I think it´s just money, Mi$ter babache saw a gold mine when he released Diabology, and after that, they released g2, the sticks........It´s marketing, they used the Mad French Posse[or the Mad french posse used us?(i´m afraid about this last one)] to make money, and we bite the hook.
I used the Xtreme sticks while them weren´t broken, but after two pairs, i won´t buy anymore to Mi$ter Babache, maybe i´ll return to use the henrys aluminium, or i´ll make my own sticks, but i won´t give any cent to that company.
Ciao
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on March 28, 2006, 10:53:56 PM
Sooner or later they'll find out. I do like the sticks... but they're just rubbish.

By the way, Eric broke on of his sticks ON STAGE in Ypres. That really shows how bad they actually are. He broke one of them while preparing for the excalibur passing part (he was trying to get it into the horizontal plane when it snapped)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: eggy900 on March 28, 2006, 11:00:44 PM
i converted my energys into glo handsticks by taping a photon flashlight to the end, at least i'll be able to find the pieces in the dark if they snap in half
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: nev on March 28, 2006, 11:23:41 PM
Here a pic of a solution - some threaded 8mm aluminium bar resin bonded into the stick (about 25-30mm long) with 10mm sticking out to screw on the ends does the trick nicely.  Adds about 1 gram per stick over the nylon inserts but is MUCH stronger - you can use steel threaded rod instead but this will add about 10 grams per stick (which makes them feel heavy & unbalanced to me)

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2693/dsc017014ow.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

I do like the extreme sicks and they are great before they break or once they are fixed but they really shouldnt break in the first place.  I was going to say it has put me off Mr Babache products but thinking about it, I'm glad for the inovation and new product design  they provide, which can only be a good thing for diabolo, but for gods sake, do some product testing before releasing your products to the general public.  It shoudnt be up to us to find how to reslove a design fault.

(Just my MB rant)

Edit - oh crumbs I should of resized that photo - sorry

Edit2 - done
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on March 29, 2006, 07:39:47 AM
Yeah, Sean also made a few of those, and he was kind enough to send me a pair of threaded aluminium thingies :) I only have to buy a pair of good Xtreme sticks now... anyone know where I can get the 'newer/g2' version of the sticks (beside that German website)?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Arjan on March 29, 2006, 08:28:07 AM
Quote from: Monregi

I think it´s just money, Mi$ter babache saw a gold mine when he released Diabology, and after that, they released g2, the sticks........It´s marketing, they used the Mad French Posse[or the Mad french posse used us?(i´m afraid about this last one)] to make money, and we bite the hook.


Mister Babache used the Mad French Posse defenitly for marketing and promoting their product.

But where would TMFP been now without Diabology?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: trash on March 29, 2006, 10:47:54 AM
We didn't make a lot of money with Diabology (we lost more than we win in fact...at least me...)
But it's our Idea to make this video and it's our idea to talk business with Mister Babache (because we knew that it would be easily available everywhere). If Mister Babache didn't wanted to product it, we had found another solution, that's sure.
Anyway, without Diabology, we may be unknow?
For the Babache products, stop buy them. Only Diabology has been tested ;)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: jelen on March 29, 2006, 12:02:17 PM
the photo was made in the EJC just before we leftwe had quite a laugh with it!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on March 29, 2006, 01:57:06 PM
No, really, I love the MB products...Of course, the sticks' tips could be better, but I didn't break any for a long time now...since I've got the g2 version...It can't be perfect ,but I'm happy with the products as they are...The sticks are just great for diaboloing
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Arjan on March 29, 2006, 05:09:26 PM
Quote from: trash
Anyway, without Diabology, we may be unknow?


No indeed, but Diabology sure contributed to the reputation of you guy`s. Diabology sure set the standard to a higher level, resulting in people being curious for the people behind the faces in it.

Don`t get me wrong: Diabology, good product  :wink:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on March 29, 2006, 06:31:25 PM
Quote from: mynci
but for gods sake, do some product testing before releasing your products to the general public.  
Quote from: Chiok said a while ago
Good that they've finally come out, thought they'd never see the light of day. As long as they get it right first time and haven't rushed anything.
Forgive me for being sceptical about their products.  Good move on the aluminium threaded insteads, probably the best way forward.  Still, modification is the name of the game, and it's good to play it, lets you have something unique.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: JC on March 29, 2006, 06:46:30 PM
The photo is really fine, good idea;-)
I think every body who is interested in diabolo and was on one of the EJC´s in the last years knows on which high level the MFP is playing, but not all people could go there. So, the DVD is a good solution, that more people could see what is possible.
Everybody who hold the DVD in hands could see that this is sponsored from Mister Babache, and I remember that I saw on a website (I think it was the page from Tony) a button that he is sponsored from Mr. Babache.
What I want to say is, this was no secret.

Before the DVD, the most of them played with Circus Diabolos,
after it the most use the Finesse. I think Tony used still Circus Diabolos.

What I like to know is, is there an agreement between Babache and the MFP that they must use on stage the Finesse Diabolos?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on March 29, 2006, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: JC
Tand I remember that I saw on a website (I think it was the page from Tony) a button that he is sponsored from Mr. Babache.
What I want to say is, this was no secret.

Well it can't be Tony, because he uses Henry's circusses, Henry's alu and Henry's white string! :P

Quote from: JC
What I like to know is, is there an agreement between Babache and the MFP that they must use on stage the Finesse Diabolos?

I don't think so. The Finesse is just a nice diabolo, which some diabolists prefer above the Henry's circus, so these people use whatever they like on stage (including MFP). Just my thoughts, correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: JC on March 29, 2006, 07:08:04 PM
I was not sure, and therefore I looked at his website.
Under links, you could find the following,
Sponsor jonglerie.com and the sign from Babache.

Martijn wrote
Well it can't be Tony, because he uses Henry's circusses, Henry's alu and Henry's white string![/list:u]

I do not know what should be the sense of it?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: frank0072 on March 29, 2006, 07:41:01 PM
maybe tony gets paid in secret by Henry's to keep using Circus diabolos...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Paul on March 29, 2006, 08:12:10 PM
hasn't trash now swithched to using circus??? The last few videos i saw of him he had white circus. Maybe they are all defecting to henry's!!!!

The rebellion is coming!
Title: Extreme classic?
Post by: Qwertyu on April 02, 2006, 08:36:19 PM
Can someone tell me a little bit about the new MB  Extreme classic sticks? Are they good? Is it any difference to the Henrys mini sticks ?

Thank you  and sorry for the bad english!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: mango on April 03, 2006, 11:16:25 AM
i saw trash using circuses as well in the pictures on his web
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on April 03, 2006, 08:58:59 PM
Quote
Can someone tell me a little bit about the new MB Extreme classic sticks? Are they good? Is it any difference to the Henrys mini sticks ?
Of course they're different! Do you mean the tiny alu sticks that came with a viper diabolo? or the 32.5cm?

LOOK AT THAT!!! :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
(http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/3503/12961w9gk.jpg) it's againfrom http://www.ballaballa.de
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Valium on April 03, 2006, 09:20:20 PM
In about 2 weeks I'll get one pair with white handles and one with pink ones  8)  the guys from the shop I usually get my stuff ordered them for me :D

Are there changeable tips for the sticks now available?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on April 04, 2006, 10:28:28 AM
Wooooow that looks great Fredo! Thanks for posting that. Are those the '2nd generation' of Extreme sticks, with the threaded tube and different coloured silicon/rubber handles? If so, I'm about to order a pair of those. :)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on April 04, 2006, 04:20:59 PM
Yes they're the g2 sticks. I've got two pairs (white and yellow) for a pretty while now and they're great. I snapped one white one, but will repair it soon. (I ordered two repair kits of each kind with the sticks; two pairs of tips and two pairs of this teflon screw-thing(word missing :P)...This makes sense) I posted something about the g2s in the MB handsticks thread...so you can read it in order to know how to distinguish between the old ones and the g2s...and other information including pics.

I even had two pairs of the prototype models (old shaped white and yellow handles) but now, with just a silicone tube and a small ring under it, it looks better and the weight is perfect! I can only recommend them!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: TimEllis on April 04, 2006, 07:47:03 PM
So after all that.......which would you recommend buying?  Energy or Extreme?  Which will last longer?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on April 04, 2006, 08:01:45 PM
Quote from: The Ska Boss
So after all that.......which would you recommend buying?  Energy or Extreme?  Which will last longer?

Both will break because of their poor design. The Energy will probably break faster. :)
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on April 04, 2006, 08:40:23 PM
This depends on the tricks you do and on the surface you play on... you shouldn't do tricks where you're stick can hit the ground(genocides, pretty sure ones are ok of course :wink: )when you're playing on tarmac, play on grass... My Energs are really older and much more resistant than any other sticks I ever had.

But the best way would be to test them both (I know this isn't easy :roll: ), then you'l know whether you like the Energy's flexibility or theExtreme's stiffness more... But there was enough chatter in this thread, so have a look at it and decide (or try them as I said :P )
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Valium on April 04, 2006, 08:55:39 PM
hm my energys broke while doing 1 around the arm, the stick was 2 weeks old and never hit the floor before :P
so I think the extreme are a bit more solid
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on April 04, 2006, 09:05:30 PM
Oh come on. It's like comparing an elephant in a China shop to a bulldozer in a house of mirrors.  :lol:
Title: Looking For Babache Repair Kit 1742 (in the US)
Post by: barnett on May 08, 2006, 06:04:50 PM
Hi,

My son got a set of Mr. Babache Xtreme handsticks. After using them for a while the little plastic end snapped. The instructions that came with the sticks tell me to order replacement tips, but no one seems to carry them.  I contacted Higgins Bros., JugglingStore.com, and Dube, but none of them stock the repair kit 1742.

I was able to find the repair kit at firetoys (UK), but that would cost £5.81 to ship a £1.69 part.

Does anyone know where to find thes parts in the US or Canada?

Thanks,
Simon
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on May 08, 2006, 06:19:51 PM
Hi Simon, I merged your topic to this thread, because I think it fits a bit better in here. Have a look in this topic to find what you're looking for.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: mango on May 19, 2006, 03:28:12 PM
the repair tips are seen if you scroll down and see the xtreme handsticks page in jugglingstore and click on the picture with the metal tips. i don't know why they didn't make a shortcut on the diabolo page.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Rîkû on May 19, 2006, 05:54:31 PM
Yeah.. I broke my Extremes... And I bought them last month!! They broke when I did regular suicide and I didn´t catch it and then they hit to the floor and craks...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: WillieWonka on May 19, 2006, 09:58:15 PM
yo.
How long does it take for a Energy stick to snap  ? I just wanna know cuz i need some new sticks!
and one more question. Which stick shal i choose if i want to learn 2d? The Energy or the extreme ones?
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on May 19, 2006, 11:04:36 PM
Just have a look through this thread. There's almost everything covered and there are many opinions/answers on your questions. And to answer your question, this is mainly a matter of favour - but some people say, Energies aren't good for learning 2...
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Llama_Bill on May 20, 2006, 01:05:24 AM
Has any one used the G3s yet to see if they break as much?
Title: s***
Post by: jammy on June 03, 2006, 09:38:27 AM
thats all im going to say! i have bent a pair of classics, and snapped the energys!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: tommygrhcp on June 03, 2006, 01:34:21 PM
I got a pair of moon energies and they're sweet! have had no trouble with the thread snapping/breaking....
I was practising vertax genocides and snapped the stick in half in the washing line though, funy as!
Firetoys sent me a new one though (that site is a legend!) and now i can do that trick which is sweet too, would recomend extremes cos i love their feel but not to be too harsh with them or energies if like the colours or just to stand out fromt he carbon fibre crowd  :wink:
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on June 03, 2006, 10:27:34 PM
I never heard of a stick snapping like this! Weird story... :o
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: jammy on June 06, 2006, 09:11:27 AM
the energy snapped half way down the stick! i have ended up cutting the other stick down to the same lenght,
there are good points with short sticks! you get loads of feeling when doing fans,
the bad points are its harder to correct your diabolos!

PS i will not be buying any more energy or classics again!
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sambo on June 06, 2006, 11:31:54 AM
It was me that broke Jammy's first stick there. I was merely doing an infinite suicide run when the free stick hit the grass we were playing on and the handle end of the stick flew off!

All I can say is that I'm disappointed with Babache sticks.
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: tommygrhcp on June 06, 2006, 08:37:19 PM
the rubber handles on my energies are moving around on mine. starting to go off em. I will recomend carbons to anyone now ! lol
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on June 06, 2006, 09:31:26 PM
Quote from: tommygrhcp
the rubber handles on my energies are moving around on mine. starting to go off em.
Occasionally, the silicone handles can be a bit loose.  If you can get them off, a thin layer of tape or equivalent will increase the diametre enough to hold the tubing.

Chiok
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Sean on June 06, 2006, 09:57:44 PM
Quote from: tommygrhcp
the rubber handles on my energies are moving around on mine. starting to go off em.

a little hairspray works wonders too
Title: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on June 06, 2006, 10:35:45 PM
Quote from: Sean
Quote from: tommygrhcp
the rubber handles on my energies are moving around on mine. starting to go off em.

a little hairspray works wonders too

LOL, hairspray! but a good idea...
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: nev on April 18, 2007, 10:27:26 AM
Grrrr - my beloved modified G1's finally broke (though not at the tips  ;))
(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/6309/dsc02553aq7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
They were a good friend to me R.I.P.
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: fredo on April 18, 2007, 02:35:19 PM
How did you manage THAT??? By trying to bend it back or what?
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Rastaman on April 18, 2007, 04:04:13 PM
I hope it doesn't happen to my sweet g3`s  ;D I just got them so i think i have a long way to go to break my sweeties :)
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: spanerman on April 18, 2007, 04:55:46 PM
ok i got some Xtremes today and ive heard a few people mention about modding them....what can i do to improve them?
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on April 19, 2007, 12:08:23 AM
Woohoo, that is definitely a break there.  Good effort, did fairies fly out from them?
As for modding Xtremes:
http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=2775.0

But I'm sure it's been mentioned elsewhere...

Chiok
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: seán_ on April 19, 2007, 02:03:26 AM

ok i got some Xtremes today and ive heard a few people mention about modding them....what can i do to improve them?

the older ones people modded because the ends tended to snap, shouldn't be a problem if yours are new.
 About the only mods that you might think of are
-Changing the length of the grips if you wanted to
-plugging the ends to protect the ends getting damaged
-using thinner grips

but theres no real reason to mod the latest versions
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: jammy on April 19, 2007, 03:01:31 PM

It was me that broke Jammy's first stick there. I was merely doing an infinite suicide run when the free stick hit the grass we were playing on and the handle end of the stick flew off!

All I can say is that I'm disappointed with Babache sticks.



cut the handle side tip off! then slide in some wooden dowl, then plug it up! works well!
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Jem on April 19, 2007, 07:14:31 PM

Grrrr - my beloved modified G1's finally broke (though not at the tips  ;))


My energy sticks broke in exactly the same place yesterday and the drop wasn't even a heavy one. I think the weakness is due to many drops which eventually ruptures the stick at a molecular level!  :P
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Shaun on April 21, 2007, 10:28:54 AM
how do MB Extremes alu compare to Henrys aluminium (short) handles? my current improv handles seem to cut the string to often. ive read that carbon breaks too much, so im not bothering with them.
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on April 21, 2007, 05:07:30 PM
Both Xtremes and Henrys are similar in length (330 and 325 respectively) but Xtremes are made from 10mm (?) aluminium tube with a threaded insert and screw on tip so the string comes out of the ends.  Henrys are solid 8mm aluminium with a hole in the side coming out of the tip.

Henrys are also a big heavier than Xtremes.  Pros and cons for both really.

Chiok
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Shaun on April 22, 2007, 01:42:32 AM
Xtremes it is then!
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Neil on April 24, 2007, 08:19:15 PM
i recently broke my energy sticks and have found them extremely hard to fix, no luck at all with epoxy resin type glues

eventually i drilled a hole vertically in each piece and then put in a pin to join the two together, this holds fine strength wise but the pin (well actually a nail with the head cut off) tends to bend through use , so its only just usable as long as i ensure it is in my left hand at all times and am not adverse to bending it back straight every so often.  i did smear araldite rapid around the join, but that broke immediately through use
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: spanerman on April 24, 2007, 08:38:48 PM
you could try a moe flexible glue, like hot melt glue....araldite isnt good for joints which have moovement..
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Eric Moffett on April 25, 2007, 01:35:08 AM
I just broke my energy's today  :'( :'( :'( :'( look at the carnage!!!

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Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on April 25, 2007, 12:34:08 PM
And yet people just keep buying these sticks. I can't believe it.
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Chiok on April 25, 2007, 11:39:24 PM
The product of good marketing, as opposed to the marketing of a good product.  I can understand why people would buy them if they hadn't had experience otherwise, I guess they're wiser for it though.

I'm somewhat surprised at the amount of people who used Xtremes and then went back to Henrys Aluminiums.

Chiok
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Eric Moffett on April 26, 2007, 02:27:02 AM
Well they were "designed" for 2 diabolo used, and from the looks of it, it's not very hard on the sticks, opposed to 1 diabolo, and vertax
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on April 26, 2007, 10:06:28 AM
Yeah, I know what you mean Chiok, but even people who had experience with the MB sticks, and broke a few, keep going back to buy new sticks from them...

I'm somewhat surprised at the amount of people who used Xtremes and then went back to Henrys Aluminiums.


Why, because Henry's sticks are better? :P
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Pete on April 26, 2007, 03:48:05 PM
With a little modification the old G2 sticks will last as long as any other stick on the market. Replace the old plastic screw part with and aluminium or steel replacement and your laughing. And i've yet to here of a G3 xtreme breaking, correct me if im wrong. Any stick will break eventually, put through extensive use. There is no invincible stick and there never will be.
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: martijn on April 26, 2007, 05:17:39 PM
Yeah, I know... but it's a bit silly MB doesn't stock their sticks with an alu screw part in the first place (ok, the same thing can be said for the Henry's Circus, but my point still stands). And as far as I've seen, Xtreme sticks can also break in the middle, so an alu screw part isn't going to fix that. It's terrible MB needs 3 generations (which are all being sold) before finding a stick that is not rubbish. Do some testing for Pete's sake! (note the reference to your name, clever eh?) Perhaps the same thing can be said for Finesses? I haven't tried the G3 one yet. Also, it's a myth that only Henry's alu will bend, Xtremes bend too, so that's not a valid argument to buy Xtreme sticks.
(Note that I'm not saying anything about weight, thickness or anything similar, because that all comes down to preference anyway, I'm only making remarks about the quality of the sticks)

Oh bugger, I didn't want this to become a MB rant. Ah well, they deserve it :P
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: -Leo- on April 26, 2007, 05:22:01 PM
I bought some Xtremes the other week and I have to say that they are pretty nice. They feel solid and as unbreakable as my ally's. I'm not very picky when it comes to equipment but I think they are definately up there with the Henrys ally's.

-Leo
(Watch the comments I get for that closing remark)
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Matt? on April 26, 2007, 09:32:21 PM
As for the problem with the Energy sticks snapping, perhaps people go back because they like them when they are not broken?? Just a thought... :D
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Diabolo Bro on April 29, 2007, 02:10:27 AM
I have broken three pairs of energy handsticks :P(once i broke a pair 30 min. before a performance ;D) and i have ordered a pair of xtreme's. But lately i have been using white carbon fibes which seem very nice and strong, and since they're white, they have good visability, even though I am yet to master all the tricks I knew with energy.

P.S. One thing I hve noticed about breaking energy handsticks is that they don't break if you do a single very stressful move, but they break overtime from wear and tear.
Title: Re: New handsticks MB (Xtreme & Energy)
Post by: Shaun on May 01, 2007, 08:40:58 AM
finally got my xtremes with some hot pink string!! rockin!
theyre a bit thicker, lighter and have a longer handle than i thought they would. just gotta get use to them i suppose. i dont really like the lip/edge from the tip, and id like more weight in the ends for suicides/genocides. the chunk of foam on the end will be handy for preserving the handles.
my friend got a couple pairs of henrys alu, but i feel like im gonna break the skinny little things.
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