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So good, diversified, fresh and positive video! Thank you for editing, this gives me hope that 2020 will be a great year for diabolo.

2 Collaboration Video / Re: Collaboration video 2019
« on: November 10, 2019, 02:50:32 PM »
Good to see something like this happening, will try to film trick or two.

3 Collaboration Video / Re: collaboration video 2017
« on: January 12, 2018, 09:35:48 AM »
I sent my last years clip!
If You don't include it this year, i will send it every year until it gets in. After five years I will try to get to edit the collab myself to get my video in.

Performances / Re: PAO 2018 Worldwide video audition
« on: January 12, 2018, 09:30:46 AM »
I am obviously biased, but i do have some thoughts about this process.

It seems that the technical level of diabolo juggling was not a big factor, a bit bigger from judges compared to votes, but still.
I guess this goes along with the battle format, there seems to be demand for flashy moves combined with dancelike movement, and even though I understood the clip was supposed to be one shot, there was editing from some contestants. How they are going to edit their live show remains to be seen  :-D

Thanks for reporting Wis, and hope to see you again soon!

Community & Events / Re: Diabolo Competitions - Preferred format
« on: December 09, 2017, 06:03:05 PM »
This is really important topic, i hope as many people as possible chip in their thoughts.

B- Format for a complete competition, maybe a whole day event

Finland has a long history of diabolo events. The competition will have its tenth anniversary next year. While there has been many changes to the rules, it has mostly been about 10 different disciplines.
The disciplines are as follows:

Big ones (winner gets 10 points):
1d freestyle 3min
2d freestyle 3min
3d freestyle 3min
Bearing freestyle 3min
Vertax freestyle 3min

Small ones (winner gets 5 points):
Monobolo freestyle 2min
Loop freestyle 2min
Most minigenocides 1min
Most vertax genocides 1min
Endurance (most diaboloes in high technique) 1min (but the contestant is allowed to continue as long as the run goes)

After everything is done, the score is calculated and overall winner chosen (this is done by spreadsheet that has been filled with all the results).

Pros and cons of the Finnish format:

- Requires broad technical skills concerning diabolo (and has included many that are arguably not even diabolo *con). The title cannot be won by a one trick pony.

- The format is really slow, physically hard and time consuming. This year we had 6 competitors and it took 7 hours. There was no audience, and if there had been, they would have probably left after few hours. It is purely about competition with zero crowd pleasing aspects.
- Monobolo and loop freestyles are irrelevant, but you need to take part in them to have a chance in the overall contest. This year the monobolo was won by contestant who improvised and used borrowed equipment.

You want an complex strict way of competing/evaluating, or a rather loose system where judges are given freedom to choose who they prefer.
I answer on the numbers below.

1- Diabolo competition of 3/5 minutes performances, no equipment/plane/number of diabolos limitations. (Optionally with duo) Tricks are pre-prepared and the music is known.
2- Diabolo competitions with several different categories, 1D, 2D, 3D (4 and 5 :P), vertax, bearings,... and then a complete evaluation of the whole thing out together.
3- Freestyle competitions/Slams: Players are encourage to improvise their tricks. Obviously short routines are unavoidable and allowed.
4- Diabolo Battles. One on one competitions, no equiment/plane/number of diabolos limitations. This can be single rounds or a complete elimination branch where, for example 16 players compete one on one until there is a champion.
5- Teams versus single player competitions.
6- System of evaluations:
- very specified, like with a click system as used by the FDC, see as an example the yoyo rules where judges have clickers on her hands to count things all the time during the performances ( OR
- very loose, judges just choose who was "Better" including many criterias (technique, creativity, difficulty, cleanness, style, stage presence, etc) that they evaluate without noting down, just choosing a winner. Like in the EJC Diabolo Battle, rules here
I tend to prefer the loose approach, it is less stressing. What do you think?

1. I really like the idea here. I would maybe add some requirements, so we would not end up judging 1d freestyle against 4d low. Few simple things that need to be in the routine would be enough (For example: High technique with as many diaboloes as possible, any vertax etc.).
2. While i have enjoyed the Finnish competitions for the past years, i think this kind of format has no future. Audience does not care about many different categories. Having categories makes the competition repetative as many contestants go on stage doing almost the same tricks.  Mixing the categories inside the event would make it confusing for the judges.
3. Don't really understand this. Improvisation with diabolo is so hard that doing it in competetive setting does not make sense to me.
4. In the 5th Russian Diabolo Championship i saw really well made battles. If the judges are good enough, this could be a fair way to decide the overall winner. But as in Russia, i think it requires the solo brackets first. The judges need a broad understanding so they can evaluate the different techniques the players are bound to use. (Risk: Any new technique will win, regardless of the actual difficulty level)
5. Single any day. Duo and group battles sound good, but don't see it happening any time soon.
6. I prefer the clickers, having been a judge for yoyo and diabolo, i have noticed that the clickers really help. They also lessen the possibility of getting carried away by one combo, and make it a lot easier for the judges to remember their initial reactions. The less judges need to talk with eachother about the results, the better. (Quite a Finnish thing to say...)

Overall my thoughts on perfect diabolo competition:
- 6 min freestyle with any number or plane with actual diabolos and sticks (no hubstacks, loops or monobolos) [I'm not sure about J-slides or other gimmick sticks yet]
- Four best freestyles go against each other in battles. One round is decided by each contestant, one round by judges. 1min/round
- Final battles for third place and winner could be 2min, or 2 rounds decided by judges in addition of the competitor choices.

Tricks / Re: Diabolo Records
« on: December 08, 2017, 10:37:19 AM »
Seems that the gopro was not recording the endurances, so there is no video :(
It is official result tho, counted by three judges... I would love to see 666 as official record.  \m/

Tricks / Re: Diabolo Records
« on: December 03, 2017, 11:10:36 AM »
Yeah. Rauli will upload the video. As a general opinion, do you hold duration above number of catches?

Tricks / Re: Diabolo Records
« on: December 02, 2017, 03:09:43 PM »
Did 666 catches (yeah rly) 3d high at Finnish Diabolo Nationals. New record? The time can be checked from the video, if it matters.

Community & Events / Re: International Diabolo Hub
« on: August 10, 2017, 03:17:30 PM »
This is the best thing i have heard in a while. We have had many years of competition inside Finland, but as of late it has become really stagnant, maybe this would motivate and inspire the young 'uns and us old goats alike.
We have the FDC coming, and this is definetly something that we will be discussing.

10 Collaboration Video / Re: Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: November 27, 2016, 08:05:22 PM »
I don't think i articulated my point too well there. What i meant to say, is that the editor makes the calls, and if the editor works without any community guidelines, there will be disappointments. Atleast in my mind collaboration video is not supposed to be some red bull d**k waving contest, but a representation of community.

11 Collaboration Video / Re: Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: November 27, 2016, 03:39:22 PM »
Sorry, but who else should we blame for leaving most of people out, if not the editor who made the decision?

I understand that he was voted for the job, but does that make it impossible to criticize the product? In fact, i think the actual edit is good and while the music is not my cup of tea, i would be fine with it. The biggest problem is the actual inclusion/exclusion of clips and people.

While i support the idea of having more amateurs and kids in the video, i would also like to point out that some or most of the people on the video are amateurs. As in, they do not do diabolo as their profession. Doing 5 low in your backyard does not make you a professional juggler. Getting paid for juggling makes you a pro.

So what we have here is a subjective decision to include people in a collaboration video based on the quality of the clip and the quality of the trick on the clip. Maybe what makes people angry the most, is the fact that some people appear many times, while so many others where completely left out. This feels like maybe surface appeal was also a factor. That does not really speak well for the community being broad and open, as i think is our goal, or is it?

Videos / Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: November 20, 2016, 12:12:15 PM »
Kinda bummed for not getting included. Nice video tho, crazy tricks. 
Was not so excited about the meditation music.

General / Re: 2016 Asia Diabolo Championship (2016 PEH)
« on: May 25, 2016, 07:11:03 PM »
Cannot beleive that gimmick-guy won with his poitricks and 1d whip catch as a final move...

General / Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: May 25, 2016, 06:59:00 PM »
Been filming alot lately, i think i could send something to collab too. Good that someone is doing it.

Gear / Re: Slleper test evo5 evo3 and hyperspin diabolo
« on: October 03, 2015, 07:09:58 PM »
Hyperspin for the win. Quite surprising to be honest.

Videos / Re: open stage at ABdD
« on: May 01, 2015, 11:01:13 AM »
I don't know if you asked for tips or feedback or anything, but here goes:

- Start with something easy, you should not miss your first trick
- Don't put diabolos in your crotch, just don't
- Polish your tricks a bit, your sticks keep banging the floor and you, which creates the feel of sloppines even if you nail the trick
- Don't run and try to get the diabolo back as fast as possible after dropping, the audience has noticed you drop, running fast wont save you, only make you seem uncertain and nervous
- Don't put diabolos in your crotch, please
- If you nail a trick, don't try to do it again right away(or a similar trick) many times you miss right after a good trick, give your audience some time to appreciate
- Don't put diabolos in your crotch.

Sorry if this came trough bit harsh, i do see a lot of potential, keep it up!

Videos / Re: Dr. Strings & Patsy Jo Jingleberry
« on: May 01, 2015, 10:41:30 AM »

I really enjoyed this, nice to see comedy act, and especially nice to hear the audience reacting so well. There is a really good connection between you two, i would have wanted to see Patsy do a small solo with diabolo, even something completely silly (maybe Patsy stealing the diabolo and doing one trick). As for diabolo technique I think it was well implemented, it did not seem forced or out of place. Maybe there could have been more links between what you say and what you do with diabolo though.

All and all, good act, thank you for sharing.

Finnish Diabolo Convention / Re: FDC2014 Trick Jam Videos
« on: September 12, 2014, 02:56:25 PM »

Tricks / Re: Wrapped mini-g, slowicide mini-g
« on: June 14, 2014, 09:25:12 PM »
I think the main difference between a player and a father is the timing of pulling out.

General / Re: Its that time of year!
« on: June 14, 2014, 09:21:32 PM »
I like the passing idea, passing is a great way to pass time.

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