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Here is some advice take it in the spirit that it is given with the best intentions.

Pricing is a delicate mather and since i havent seen your show i cant help you out with the rates exept that 50 euros is way to little for a live show if you want to be taken seriously. But here is some general advice:

If you ask more than your show is worth you migth get hired but fail to live up to the costumers expectations. Wich is bad for you in the long run (they wont hire you again and will not recomend you to others)
If you ask to little you will lose monney and you will not be precived as a "real" artist, just a happy amature doing it for fun. This will make some good potential costumers disregard you and look for other more professional performers instead even if your shows are at the same level.

So finding out aproximatley what your show is wort is verry important, both charging to much and to little can be harmfull. If you find out what other artists in the area charge and try to compare yourself objectively with them you will get clue. I recomend that you dont have a fixed fee regardless of what event you perform at. If you do a corporate event charge more, if you do a birthdayparty for kids carge less. Be a little flexible some gigs will give you good exposure and can be worth doing for promotional reasons even if the payment is ****.

Ask a little more than you would like to have most people will try to haggle a bit.

If you do shows for free or low pay make sure that the costumer know that you normaly charge more and give them a handsome discount and a good reason why you give the discount.

Best way to get giggs is to do gigs, a job well done can generate more jobs.

I agree with Indy dont just offer one 5 minute show its going to be hard to sell just that the more you offer the more jobs you will get. maybe you culd team up with some other performer doing something different than you for some giggs?

Who will hire you? Think creative! Where will your show/shows be apreshiated? Birtdayparties, weddings, corporate events, shopping malls, theatres, bars, schools, fancy dinners, circuses, variety are possible venues, try to think of others as well.
Different venues require different aproach, find the places you would like to perform at and adapt your act/acts to fit them. If you have a well written concept that tell the costumer exactly what they get when they hire you you will have much more sucsess than if you are just selling some kind of show.

Good luck

Community & Events / Re: Read this if yur Swedish ^^
« on: January 14, 2009, 06:05:40 PM »
I live in Stockholm wich unfortunatly is quiet far from Orsa...
Maybe there are diabolists up there, but not annyone I know of.
Let me know if you are flying via Stockholm, maybe we culd have a beer at the airport or something...
I'll check around a bit and see if i can find anny diabolists in the area for you.
Have fun skiing, aqnd dont break anny arms... ;)

Community & Events / Jönköping juggling convention 26/9-28/9 (sweden)
« on: September 05, 2008, 01:09:27 PM »
The annual juggling convention in Jönköping will be held 26-28 september.
Its a small convention (50-70 ppl) maybe not worth crossing the globe for, but if you are in the area its a really nice little convention to visit.
price: 200 sek if you pay in the door.

Performing / Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« on: September 02, 2008, 04:48:59 PM »
yupp i was thinking about diabolo88 when i wrote the reply, but i think the advice is good for many other diaboloers at this forum as well who want to make a living with their arts.
A coupple of years ago the tricks that seem commonplace here today was cutting edge worldclass. And even if it takes a lot more to impress us diabolo players here today, the broad audience has no clue of whats going on here.
There aint that manny diabolo artists around (compared with other kind of jugglers) and I think there is place for many more.
I think that if you can do 3 diabolos solid, you got more tech skill than you actually need to make it as a performer. But it takes a lot of work to develop a good act, and its not all about the tricks. I say put more energy on developing your acts and a little bit less on your tech skills.
This is my opinion and im sure everyone dosnt agree with me.

Performing / Re: How much have you be paid for a performance?
« on: August 31, 2008, 12:23:12 AM »
Asking how much to charge for a gig is kind of like asking how much you shuld pay for a car. The answer is of cause that it depends on what car it is.
Steven Ragatz (cirque du solei and juggling veteran) has written a very good article on the subject

2000 sek may seem a lot for a 10 minute show, but you are not just selling 10 minutes of your time. As you said you spent the entire day geting to and from the market and 2 days putting the routine together. And i dare say you have spent over a tousand hours practicing to be able to perform the stuff in your show, they pay for that as well. More time than most people have spent on their university degree.

A client is usually prepared to spend good money to be sure they get a good act, if the show sucks their events going to look bad, if the show rocks, their event rock! There is always people around who would like to do fire poi for some smallchange and a bottle of lamp oil. But hiring them is out of the question for most serious clients. If you have a good act they will pay to get you.

if the market paid you 2000 and both they and you are happy about the sum the price was rigth. Its enough monney to make you look like a pro and not so expensive that it scares the organizers away.

How much to ask also depends a lot on the costumer, if its a show for kids in a school go for your minimum rate, if its a corporate event fleece the buggers as much as possible. Some gigs you can do for free if you think its a cool purpose (charity etc) but always tell them what the show really costs.

Asking and getting the rigth fee is important, if you charge too much they will not call you next year, if you ask to little you will never earn enough to do it for real.
But if you find a good balance and both you and the costumer feel that they got more than they bargined for you are on the rigth path.

You do amazing stuff not many people can do any of the tricks you are telling about and completly dropfree... thats really cool! So now you stop practicing new tricks for a whike and put your energy on developing your show instead, you are already more than good enough at tech stuff.
If you spend a tenth of the time you put into your technical skill on geting a solid act i dont think you ever have to get get a normal job.
Good luck man

Community & Events / Nordic juggling convention 2008 (1/5-4/5 2008)
« on: February 18, 2008, 08:53:32 PM »
Got a mail about the nordic jugglingconvention, would be nice to see lots of ers there!


Hi and welcome to NJC!

Now it's time for the 24th Nordic Juggling Convention. This year it will be in central Malmö in Sweden, more precisely in "the chocolate factory" and in Möllevång school, right by Folkets park.

Make a note in your calender on the 1-4th of May, and book tickets for Malmö. Juggling time!

We promise fantastic performances, exciting work shops and happy training friends. Let us know if you have any wishes, or if you want to show the audience of NJC your excellent performance. All ideas are welcome, feel free to contact us.

Welcome to Malmö and Sweden

****** Information *****************

When:        1st - 4th May, 2008
Where:        Sweden, Malmö
phone:        Magnus, +46 739 74 88 63

Community & Events / World juggling day 16/6 !
« on: June 11, 2007, 12:43:29 PM »
I case some one missed it. 16/6 is the world juggling day!
Make sure you spend the day with your props and spread the joy of juggling.

Community & Events / Swedish juggling convention 6/4-9/4 2007
« on: March 14, 2007, 04:11:01 PM »
The swedish jugglingconvention will be in Gothenburg as usual, its not huge, but usually quiet nice.
More info at the convention site:
It wold be nice with some folk there.

General / Re: Diabolo injuries
« on: December 12, 2006, 09:02:29 PM »
Sliped on something slippy some idiot left on the street (lampoil a put there myself...) while performing streetshows today. I  landed on my rigth elbow, and hurt it quiet a bit... doesnt feel like I can practice for a few days. Selfinflicted injury, but it really sucks annyway.

I'm New / Re: They just keep tipping!!""
« on: November 02, 2006, 08:22:36 PM »
Your rigth stick is a little bit in front of your left so the plane the diabolos move in is not ortogonal (90 degrees) to the diaboloaxles. Or you touch the diabolos with the string on the front cup each time you catch them.
I think it will help to move your rigth stick back a bit (or the left front wards a bit). You culd also try turning sligthly to the rigt it migth help as well.

Performing / Re: good stage presence
« on: October 15, 2006, 04:42:14 PM »
Some people are natural performers, but most of us have to work hard to develop an interesting act.
To practice a lot in front of people is probably the best way to inprove your stageprecence.  Taking some drama classes migth also bee a good idea.
Also remember to take notes after each performance. What went wrong/what was good/ what needs to be changed etc.
It is verry important to feel comfortable on stage, if you are too nervous (or apear to be nervous) people will feel it and be embarrased. Smile a lot and look people in the eyes.

Gear / Re: Fire Handsticks
« on: September 25, 2006, 03:09:09 PM »
Just curious, doesnt the string melt from the fire? Or are you using kevlar string?

Gear / Damaged Diabolos
« on: September 19, 2006, 12:06:29 PM »
Maybe you culd put some metal polishing substance on an old piece of string and spin the diabolo with it for a while to polish the rust away.
Btw  2 of my first diabolos (Beach) have cracked compleatly around the hub (high throws on a hard surface...)  leaving me with onewheeled diabolos.

General / Physics!
« on: September 12, 2006, 12:16:49 AM »
I have been playing with the idea to build a mathematical model that describes the 2D (or even 3D or even the 4D) shuffle. It would be described by some kind of partial diferential equation it seems to be a tricky one to work out the details so i never got much further than the idea ... Maybe not A level stuff but a good model culd be used for simulation software so there is even an aplication for this.

Performing / Diaboloist vs Non Diaboloist Crowds
« on: August 25, 2006, 04:41:44 PM »
I think there are two compleatly differnt aproches to Juggling/diabolo. Eiter you do it because you want to use it as a tool in your performing routine or you do it because you want to chalenge yourself and learn new things. Neither way is wrong, they are just different.
I started as a juggler and then became a performer because i like being the focus of atention for people. But when I perform i dont really do anny tricks I consider really hard. Its more important to do something that looks good to the audience. I still like to spend hours trying to learn some new freaky thechnical stuff even if i know this trick will never be part of the show.
People dont get entertained just because something is verry hard to do, they dont really care as long as they ar enjoying the show. The weakest part of my show is still the thechical 2d stuff i do, i make the same monney or more if i just cut it out of the show, but for personal reasons i want it to be there so i keep doing it there. There are lots of things that are verry hard to do but not verry amusing to watch , solving patial differential equations for example. And some things thats bloddy easy that is verry funny. You just have to adapt to the circumstances and find a way to make a good show (if thats what you want).  And live with the fact that your actual thecnical skill is less than 20% of what makes the show a sucsess.
For me learning the skill (with diabolos and clubs) was the easy part, its just fun. I really had to struggle and put lots of time and emotional energy to learn the performing skills.
I get really sad when people look down on performers who can make a good show without huge spectacular tricks, in my opinion aciving sucess with small means requires even more of the performer.
just my 2cents...

Community & Events / Diabolo in olympic games in 2008
« on: June 11, 2006, 08:23:32 PM »
The article is quiet interesting to read. can translate into understandable but crappy english. Seems that there is a lot of diaboloing going on in that corner of the world, and they are interested in spreading the joy of diabolo all around the world, i whish them good luck!

Gear / Strangest place you've lost a diabolo...
« on: May 21, 2006, 06:21:29 PM »
Yet another diabolo lost on the roof of the same damned building as my other two... Not a circus this time, even worse a white finesse i wont see again  :(

Community & Events / Swedish diaboloers ?
« on: May 17, 2006, 09:36:36 PM »
There is also me (mrpink) mattias moe and pixel from Sweden. Probably some more that i dont know about as well.
Me and mattias will be at NJC and i hope the other two come as well. See you there.

Community & Events / NJC 25/5-28/5 2006
« on: May 17, 2006, 12:41:29 PM »
If you havent decided what to do yet its time to make up your mind and come to the nordic convention. The price is only 350 sek(about 36 euro) if you pay at the door. Some nice diabolopeople are comming there.

Tricks / Re: I just learnt to... (2006)
« on: May 09, 2006, 10:50:42 PM »
150 catches with 2 high! So i guess i can call it sollid by now  :D

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