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General / Matt Hall Style Challenge
« on: January 03, 2010, 03:39:15 PM »
Hey all!

I've been off the diabolos and the forum for a while now, uni and cold weather has taken it's toll. I'm really going to try and get back into it so I'm thinking of doing a Matt Hall style challenge that he set himself a few years ago, new trick each day starting in February. Hopefully doing something like this will mean that I don't just lose the motivation to practice and stick with it.

Does anyone else fancy making this a joint venture? I mean, I'm sure some of you might fancy the challenge.

Anyways when I start this thing for the first month or so I'll be re-learning tricks and easing back into it. If you fancy following my progress I'll be posting the updates on my Twitter page here.

See y'all around,

(Oh and a belated happy new year from me)

Gear / Spanner/Molegrip Alternatives?
« on: September 30, 2009, 05:37:25 PM »
Hey all, long-time-no-post!

Does anyone have any suggestions for something a student could get his hands on easily to tighten Flys? I have my first visual arts meeting tonight at uni and I need to tighten them? -It starts at 7!



Community & Events / Manchester Juggling Convention 08?
« on: August 27, 2008, 07:15:12 PM »
This was posted a while ago but I can't find any more information on it. I guess if it is on it'd only be just over a month away so I thought I'd better check now. Does anyone know if it is happening this year?

Community & Events / Play Festival - 23-27 July 08 [CANCELLED], Wales
« on: April 20, 2008, 10:26:21 AM »

Anyone else heading to this one, seems like a good'un if a lot of people are up for it. This is the only thing I can almost definately say I'll be at with school finished and all the rest of it. It isn't expensive either :)

Any takers?

It is with deep regret and much sadness that we announce PLAY Festival 2008 has been cancelled due to bad weather over last weekend during the Workhouse Festival. The site is no longer habitable and will remain so for the next 8-10 weeks at least.

We have searched high and low for a new venue but at such short notice we have been unable to find anything that is compatible with our requirements, also as we are now (Wednesday 9th July) within 10 working days of the event a new license cannot be arranged in time to ensure the festival takes place on the original dates and remains legal. We have contemplated postponement but to re-arrange six months work in such a short time just isn't feasible at this point due to other peoples commitments.

We thank each and everyone one of you who have contributed to this years festival; be you a ticket buyer, volunteer, crew member, trader or performer. Your heart felt messages are a huge help for us getting through this difficult time. We will be issuing refunds as soon as possible and the shop is now closed.

On a brighter note, we are planning to hold one or two smaller events later this year and early next year to raise funds towards 2009's festival. If you have any suggestions for location, events or anything else feel free to get in touch via the contact page.

The PLAY Team

Performing / 24 Hours Notice! (Need help Quick)
« on: April 09, 2008, 04:24:08 PM »
So my school has a 6th form variety night once a year for charity and the night is tomorrow. Now I had no intention to perform tomorrow, just to go and watch and show some support. This morning the head of 6th form decided to pull the plug on the night due to lack of acts. Since then people have persuaded him to reconsider and to let the night go ahead as planned. Although, they needed more acts and came to me and asked me to throw something together. Seeing as it's for a good cause and all I said 'yes' although it's now left me with a problem: I have no routine!

Due to the late organisation (or lack of it) I guess a lot of acts aren't going to be too serious or polished so I really want it just to be a funny, stupid act with nothing too technical or juggling related. I basically need some ideas. Primarly; idiotic music, some stupid banter to happen on stage and just generally nothing too serious. I have a few people who can help out with this although only one who is a fairly competant diaboloer.

So that's what I have to work with. So I just want ideas and suggestions of stuff to do, the stupider the better really as it's all just going to be a laugh.

Cheers in advance,


PS: anything is good as long as it doesn't involve string getting tangled (I have no problem with making a fool out of myself because I'm one of the jokers of the year :P)

General / Correct Form/Technique?
« on: January 20, 2008, 09:58:38 AM »
If there has been a topic on this before I apologize -I couldn't find it

Yesterday I was in the park and found a couple of kids who were fairly new to diabolo and were trying out infinite suicides for the first time. I offered a few pointers and showed them a couple of ways of making the trick a bit easier.

I did a couple just to show some of them how I'd do the trick and one of them asked "Is it correct form to have your hand in your pocket?" I just said to do them however you like, but slower and smoother works better for infinite suicides.

This got me thinking though: Is there a correct form for doing a trick -eg feet shoulder width apart etc, or is it just a matter of personal preference and style?

Correct 'form' is taught and practiced in a lot of different things (juggling and practically every sport)but it never seems to get a mention with diaboloists. I'm not a fan of the idea because it takes away from individual style but I was wondering what other people think about it?


EDIT: I meant to say it's not good when everyone is diaboloing the same way, like robots. I do support people being taught to do a trick smoothly without it looking forced however.

Tricks / Hyperloop/Airwrap/Fan thing -How?
« on: September 09, 2007, 12:19:33 PM »
I'd always thought if a trick like this would be possible and after seeing Busks new video I was mightily impressed. I was wondering if anyone (Busk maybe?) could shed some light on how this trick actually works?

Thanks in advance,


Gear / Equipment Guide (v0.5)
« on: July 12, 2007, 01:27:16 PM »
Recently a lot of people had been speaking to me on MSN and asking about equipment. I made a guide a while ago which I used to send people when they needed to find information on a particular product and a couple of weeks ago I realised that some of the information in the guide was out of date or needed updating so I decided to add to it. Seeing as I've sent this guide to about 15 people so far I thought some other people might find it of some use, so here it is in all it's glory.

The guide is now quite long so if you're looking for something in particular then I suggest using the thread search at the top of the page or hitting Ctrl+F on your browser.

I'll do my best to update it every so often aswell :)

*Please note that some of the pictures have come out a bit strange from when they were copied from the original .doc file, but they are still visible. You can tell what they are, so don't be picky! ;)

If you’re new to the world of diabolo your head is probably filled with questions about the equipment that diaboloers use. This guide will hopefully answer some of the questions you may have.


If you ask any serious diaboloist what kind of diabolo they recommend you would probably be advised to buy a 5 inch diabolo such as the Mr Babache Finesse, Henry’s Circus, Fly diabolo, Tiabolo Grand Continental or a Bandai/Yoho Diabig. These are the only five a serious diaboloer should really consider buying.

Mr Babache Finesse
The Mr Babache Finesse is a 5 inch diabolo that is very light for its size. It has cups that are shaped to be heavier around the edges to increase stability. This means that the diabolo remains very stable at low speeds. Because this diabolo is so light it doesn’t retain its spin as well as some of the other five inch diabolos however it does make long periods of continuous play easier.

This diabolo is considered by many to be one of the best diabolos for beginners to use because of its weight and the fact that it plays very well when being used for one diabolo tricks. This diabolo is also good for playing with multiple diabolos, although corrections can be made hard for beginners by the ‘grippyness’ of the cups.

Modifications can be made via ‘Evolution Kits’ that are available for this diabolo. These kits enable the diabolo to be given a wider axel, lights and weights. There have been promises of a ball bearing axel for this diabolo but it has yet to be released. Some people have used ball bearing axels from a spinabolo to achieve this modification.

Diabolo vital statistics: diameter: 133mm, width: 136mm, weight: 254g
Available Colours: Red, Yellow, Blue, Orange, Green, White, Pink and luminous.
This diabolo is available from most good juggling shops and many online juggling stores.
Price: £20/$39

Henrys Circus
This diabolo is one of the heavier 5 inch diabolos. It has cups made of Rextan, with some aluminium hubs and an axel. Because of this diabolos weight it has a very long spin time and is very stable once spinning. It is very good for multiple diabolos because of its stability.

Many people recommend upgrading the original circus hubs with the ‘Ultra Leicht Kits’ produced by JC available at . There are also many other aftermarket modifications available for the Henry’s circus diabolo available on the internet. These include Wide axels and light kits.

The Henrys Circus diabolo is widely considered to be the best all-around diabolo.

Diabolo vital statistics: diameter: 130mm, width: 140mm, weight: 300g

Available Colours: Purple, Blue, White, Green, Orange, Turquoise, Yellow, Red, Black and Luminous


This diabolo is available from most good juggling shops and many online juggling stores.
Price: £24/$47

Fly Diabolos
Fly diabolos are a one way bearing diabolo available in either short or wide axle.  You can also "fix" the axle for normal play by changing the bolt part.  In the fixed mode they play very much like a Diabig only lighter (Ryo Yabe now uses these diabolos for this reason).  In bearing mode they play much like other bearing diabolos only MUCH more stable (they stay perfectly in line).

Diabolo vital statistics: diameter: 125mm, width: ???, weight: short axel Flys: 266g, wide axel Flys 276g.

Available Colours:
White, Black, Light Pink (glitter), Pink, Yellow, Orange, Turquoise, Blue, Purple, Green, Glow in the Dark (light kits also available)

All the colours (except black) are translucent (so a light kit will shine through)


For now the most reliable way of getting them is to speak to Nev on the forum. Drop him an email diabolosales ‘at’

Prices are :
Short Axle - £18.00/$36.50
Wide Axle - £20.00/$40.50
Fixed Axle Kit (short or wide) £2.00/$4.00
Glow in the Dark - Short £20.00/$40.50 - Wide £22.00/$44.50
Light Kits – Speak to Nev
(all prices are without P&P)

Tiabolo Grand Continental
The Tiabolo cups are like the Diabig cups, softer than the Flys, but very shiny and better manufactured - you can see you're reflection in the cups as you shuffle. The hubs are like the circus POM curved and the axles are like a slightly wider Diabig / Yoho / Circus hybrid. The axel of these diabolos is fixed (not a bearing.)

Diabolo Vital Statistics: diameter: 130mm, width: 146mm: weight: 260g

Available colours: Purple - with a pearl effect, White, Black, Dark Orange and a new colour is coming out soon to replace the old apple Green colour.


For now the most reliable way of getting them is to speak to Nev on the forum. Drop him an email diabolosales ‘at’

Price: £22.00/$44.50 + P&P

Bandai/Yoho Diabig
This diabolo has become increasingly popular over the past couple of years and is one of the most commonly used diabolos in the Far East. It has slippery plastic cups plastic hubs and a metal axel. The plastic cups make this diabolo very good for correcting multiple diabolos when they are unbalanced/out of line. This diabolo is considered to be one of the best all-around diabolos and is particularly good for vertex/Excalibur. There is a ball bearing version of this diabolo available, although the solid axel version is the one to get.

Diabolo vital statistics:
diameter: 130mm, width: 145mm, weight: 295g
Available Colours: Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange, Green, Purple, Black, and White

This diabolo isn’t as easily available as the others to however; if you e-mail they can help you out with prices. (There are based in Japan)
Price: £18/$35

Single Sided Diabolos and Monobolos

These have been around for a long time but until now it's been hard to find a vendor that sells a mass-produced model. However, Jürgen (JC on the forum) has begun to produce some. They are based on the Henrys Circus but only have one cup!

Circus Monobolo
These are available with both a white and a black axle kit.

Weight: 255g
A complete monobolo is $58/£31/€39
Just the axle is $44/£24/€30
For ordering information see


What are the best handsticks? This is tricky because everyone has their own personal idea of what a good handstick is. Here are the handsticks that most people would recommend:

Henrys Handsticks
Henry's Carbon Fibre Sticks - £14/£15 ($27/$29).
Pros - No bending, good for grinds, light.
Cons - Breakable, wastes string.
Henry's Fibreglass Sticks - £14/£15 ($27/$29).
Pros - Flexible, light, good for grinds.
Cons - Breakable, wastes string.

Henry's carbon fibre and Henry's fibreglass sticks are almost the same apart from flexibility and maybe breakability.

Henry's Aluminium - £9 or so ($17).
Pros - Strong, good for grinds.
Cons - Bend easily, may break string.

Mr Babache Handsticks
Mr. Babache Extreme G3 - About £12 ($23).
Pros - Almost no wasted string, strong.
Cons - Handles slip around.

Mr. Babache Energy - £11/£12 ($22/$23).
Pros - Flexible.
Cons - Tips break.

Mr. Babache Energy Luminous - £19/20 ($39/$40)
Pros - They do light up, available in 3 colours (red, green and blue)
Cons - Heavy, break easily, awful for suicides and stick releases

*These sticks are powered by the same 9V chargers that are used for the MB light-kits.

Mr Babache Grips- There are currently two different grips available for the Mr Babache handsticks:
Foam- These are thicker than the silicon grips that are available and tend to be more durable than the other grips available, although they have been know to slide off the stick.

Silicon- These are the newest grips that Mr Babache have produced. Most people agree that they feel a lot nicer to use than the foam grips, however they tend to ‘chew’ up when the stick is scraped on the ground.

Wood - Around £2 ($3), £4-£6 ($7-$11) with grips.
Pros – Cheap, strong.
Cons - Bad for grinds, string doesn't slip of ends so easily because of knots, can give blisters if they don't have grips.

Peter's (OLOBAID's) Handsticks

Illuminated Diabolo Handsticks - Gold Edition
These sticks come with string, batteries and Free Engraving.
Pros: Nice weight distribution, best light sticks
Cons: None...yet

Prices: €50/£34/$69
Shipping: €4.50/£3/$6.20
Replacement Batteries: €3/£2/$4.20

Diamond Handsticks
These handsticks come with string.
Pros: Nice weight distribution, smooth stick releases, soft catches, good for knots, look nice
Cons: None...yet

Prices: €25/£17/$34.50
Worldwide shipping is free!

*A set of Gold Editions & Diamonds(batteries & string included +1 extra set of batteries +free engraving on the Gold Editions)
Prices: €70/£47.50/$96.50
Worldwide shipping is free!

These sticks are made by Peter (OLOBAID) to order; email him at hiwatt 'at'

Stick Length

Long sticks
Pros - Whipping/webs made easier, easier grinds, more power when speeding up?
Cons - Use up more string, break string quicker, suicides are harder.

Short Sticks
Pros - Suicides made easy, use less string.
Cons - Harder grinds and webs/whips.

Handsticks are available from

You can get some sticks in short or long, others are one size only. I base this on Henry's fibreglass/carbon fibre measurements.

*The whipping motion for certain tricks puts stress on wrists, especially with long or flexible sticks so this should be taken into account for anyone with wrist problems or people who don't like aching

String is a very important aspect of diabolo equipment; it’s a good idea to use special diabolo string.

There are two main types of string; Henry’s (which has a core) and Mr Babache (which is coreless.) The vast majority of diaboloers prefer string with a core. For the most part Henry’s yellow string is considered to be the best diabolo string, although it does need to have dry soap rubbed on it when it is new to take away the ‘slippy’ feeling it has.

Many modifications can be made to diabolos to improve the way that they play and to improve their appearance.

Mr Babache Evolution Kits

These kits are designed to for the Mr Babache Finesse diabolo to improve the way that they play.

Evolution 1
The Evolution 1 kit is a wider axel which enables longer grinds and finger grinds. This kit does what it’s designed for but at a cost: the diabolo isn’t as stable and it makes corrections with multiple diabolos harder.

Evolution 2
This kit is the bearing axle that Babache promised to come out years ago, although it still hasn't materialised. Currently the only way to have a Finesse with a bearing axle is to mod it with the guts from a Spinabolo or a Fly. Information on this can be found here.

Evolution 3
This kit is comes in two versions:

One increases the diabolos weight by 12 grams which makes it more stable and increases spin time. Multiple weight kits can be put on the diabolo, but it’s not really worth it because you could buy a circus or a diabig which weighs the same amount for cheaper.

The other is the same except it weighs 20 grams rather than 12.

Evolution 4
The evolution 4 is a light kit that enables the diabolo to be used in the dark. It also creates very good visual effects for live performances.
It is available in: Green, Red, Yellow, Blue and ‘rainbow’ (multi-coloured)
These are all powered via 9V chargers.

Other Finesse mods
These are some axle kits, again produce by Jürgen for the Babache Finesse. They are available in both black with a white 'ring' and all-white.

diameter: 133mm, width: 143mm, weight: 256g
A Finesse with a kit is $62/£33.50/€42
The kits are $22/£12/€15
For ordering information see

Henrys Circus Mods
There are quite a few Henrys circus mods available, mainly because the original axels are damaged when they come into contact with metal sticks.  Some of the mods and tuning kits available make the circus lighter, or have a wide axel- similar to the Babache Evolution 1 kit.

POM Hubs

These are diabolo hubs that improve the ‘feel’ of the Circus diabolo, stop string ‘snarl ups’ and make it lighter. Probably the most popular Circus upgrade.

All Round Kit
This kit has a slightly wider stepped design and the advantages of the pom with improved finger grind capabilities. One of the most popular Circus mods.

This kit is huge! It can aid people in catching the diabolo and is decent for finger grinds.

This kit is solely designed for finger grinds. Very similar to the Babache Evolution 1 kit.

JC's Circus Mods
Jürgen (JC) on the forum makes a lot of brilliant circus mods that come highly recommended from other forum users.

Standard Leicht Kits
This kit lowers the Circus weight to 250g while keeping the axle exactly the same as the standard Circus axel. This kit is available in both black and white (hubs/axle)
Price: £9/€13.50/£18.50

Ultra Leicht Kits
This kit lowers the Circus weight to 248g and extends the axle of the Circus. This kit is available in both black and white (hubs/axle)
Price: £10/€14.50/£20

I thought a good way of comparison between the mods would be to try a slideshow type thing, three of the pictures are repeated to make the full square which is a bit of a pain, but I still think it could be useful. -Let me know what you think!

Anyway starting from the top, left (and bottom, left):
Mixed cups and a Standard black Leicht Kit

Top, center (and bottom, center):
Ultra Leicht Kit, mixed cups and a Mixed Axle Kit

Top, right (and bottom, right):
Orange cups and Standard white Leicht Kit

Middle, left:
Red cups and Standard black Ultra Leicht Kit

A black Circus with a black Ultra Leicht kit (all black, even the washers!)

Center, right:
A red Circus with a white Standard Leicht Kit
(click on the image below for the slideshow thing)

Babache Light kit Adapter
Another one of JC's mods is his adapter which enables the Babache light kits to be used on a lot of different diabolos including; Babache Harlequin & Rubberking, Radiant medium and Jumbo, Henrys Circus and Jazz. (I included it in this section of the guide as I imagine the majority of people would want one to use on a circus.

Price: £8/€12/$17

Setting Up String and Sticks
Most diaboloers string length is to about nipple height from the floor, however this varies a lot. Experiment to find the type and length of string that suits you best.

For wooden sticks the knot below is recommended to ensure that the string stays attached to the sticks.

For Henrys Aluminium sticks the knot below is recommended. 
Once this knot is tied it is a good idea that you melt the excess string and the knot into a ball to prevent the string from fraying.

Most other sticks will be fine with a single or double knot.

I hope that this guide has been useful. Remember use equipment that you prefer, although you’d do well to listen to experienced diabolists opinions.

Feel free to spread this guide around as much as you want, however please keep the credits intact.

Costs include VAT (%17) and may not be totally accurate. Currencies are British Pound Sterling and U.S. Dollar.

If you have any way to improve this guide email me guppygould ‘at’

If you wish to have part of this guide edited because it’s your information, or pictures use the email address above.

Also this was originally compiled a couple of months ago so I’m unsure of some of the locations which I obtained the pictures from. Any info on this would be appreciated.

Put together and written by Leo Gould (guppygould)

With thanks to:
- Forum users of
- Beni for most of the stick section of this guide
- Olobaid for his sticks and the Henrys Aluminium knot picture
- Seán_ picture of the wooden stick knot, original proof reading and editing
- Firetoys for some of the pictures and info
- Naranja for the Diabig pictures
- JC for the Circus mods
- Henrys-Online for the Henrys tuning kit pictures
- Nev for the Fly and Tiabolo information and pictures


PS If anyone is interested I am willing to put a .pdf version of this guide on the net.

Version History

I will add a new version everytime I add something to the guide. I'll list any changes  made here but I'll only add a new version number when I actually add something new to it. :)

v0.2 -OLOBAID's Handsticks added 12.7.'07
v0.3 -MB Energy Luminous added, guide revised for easy reference 26.8.'07
v0.4 -JC's Cricus mods added 2.9.'07
v0.5 -JC's Monobolo's and Finesse mods added

Videos / Team D.I.A Vids Back On The Net
« on: April 21, 2007, 11:28:26 AM »
I know some people have seen these videos before but I think that it's worth a mention that Eltharion has uploaded them to juggletube. A lot of people missed out the first time round (myself included) so people will probably find these entertaining.

Links are below:



Tricks / Reverse Shuffle Sprinkler
« on: March 03, 2007, 09:31:06 AM »
I have been playing around with the reverse shuffle a lot recently (inspired by hot teen on cam) and have found quite a few nice tricks but the sprinkler is giving me problems. I just can't keep it going for more than a few rotations. Should the diabolos be spinning fast? and should my hands be doing something which isn't apparent from the clip of Nev doing it?



11 Policy & Feedback / "Cannot Find Server"-Firefox
« on: February 14, 2007, 08:32:54 AM »
Yesterday I was unable to access . I got the old "Cannot Find Server" message from firefox (this usually happens if a site server is down or if you are not connected to the internet.) The forum is working fine today, but the post history shows that other people were on yesterday. Any ideas on why this was ??? and was I the only person this happened to yesterday?


EDIT: I'm a dumbass- Forgot to read the news splash!

12 Policy & Feedback / Myspace profile?
« on: December 09, 2006, 06:54:56 PM »
Just wondered if anyone had thought of creating one to help raise the profile of the site and forum. If you just check the videos section on myspace it's clear that there are people who have no idea that this site or exist and that they would benefit so much from just reading the forum and realising that there is more to it than what is on Anyone got an opinion on the idea?

Videos / Team D.I.A Video Request
« on: February 28, 2006, 06:20:05 PM »
I'm wondering if anyone can rehost the videos from the team D.I.A website. I think at one point they were online but they are no longer there. The page where they appeared to be is:

Hope someone can help,


Tricks / Leg Integral
« on: February 13, 2006, 07:45:18 PM »
I was just wondering if anyone else does them and if they have any advice on them. I have them down about 90% of the time but the entrance to infinate suicides never looks smooth for me. Any Advice?

Tricks / 2 Diabolo reverse shuffle
« on: February 12, 2006, 11:01:22 AM »
I was wondering if anyone had any tutorials or advice for it. makky's reverse shuffle looks like a sort of mini-columns reverse shuffle, So is that how you do it? or is it just a case of moving your hands in the opposite direction and timing that you would normaly do for a normal shuffle. It's confusing as some peoples look like a mini-columns beat (Makky) whilst some peoples look like a normal shuffle (Arjan)

hope you can help,

Videos / fedc04
« on: February 08, 2006, 09:40:46 PM »

Some info on Makky's site (babbelfish or google translation is required). Anyone got any info or thoughts on it. Who do you think will win in the one and 2diabolo competitions? I think in the 2 diabolo comp my money is on makky. In the on diabolo comp theres a guy I realy like he performed to breathing by yellowcard two years ago but I don't know his name.

Community & Events / Wirral meetings
« on: January 24, 2006, 06:00:14 PM »
Sunday 29th January at 1 O' clock.Not a convention just a 2 hour session for anyone who is interested at the epic leisure centre in Ellesmere Port. £2 just for the hire of the hall if there is enough money alreadythen you get in free! I don't recommend anyone traveling for it so if you live out of the area don't bother. take any props you want It will be pretty layed back.

General / diabolo chat
« on: December 03, 2005, 06:11:46 PM »
If anyone on the forum is interested in chatting to someone who diabolos I am hosting a chat room on a p2p filesharing software called ares it is available from . If you already have it installed on your pc then scroll down the list on the chat section and look for it there. It should be listed under diabolo chat. Hopefully someone on here will be interested.

Hope to see you on there soon,


P.s It isn't just to talk about diabolos. Its just to talk to other people who diabolo so talk about anything you want.-just try to keep it clean :wink:

Videos / Favourite videos
« on: November 26, 2005, 10:45:15 AM »
This is just out of interest what are everyones favorite diabolo videos? Personally I like John Booths diaboloho It didn't have three diabolo tricks but it had a lot of nice combos and great music to go with it.

mod: it would help if you link to the threads to help other diaboloists share when you post to this thread, I have done some of them using the search and trick sticky. Reasons as well as a list for preference : seán_

General / The winter slow down / summer speed up
« on: October 25, 2005, 06:18:41 PM »
I was just looking at how little practice I had done in the last week or two compared to how much I used to practice and I havn't improved as much. The longer nights and crappy english weather are taking their toll. So I was wondering how everyone gets around it?

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