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Community & Events / Re: EJC Diabolo Battle 2017, feedback is welcome
« on: July 07, 2017, 06:13:23 PM »
Read again. I said defending champion. If you win a tournament in 2015 it doesn't automatically mean you'll also win in 2016. You might encounter someone who has better tricks. You might encounter them in the first round. If you were present you must have heard the mutters of indignation upon the judges' decision.

All I'm saying is that you'll want to avoid any whiff of political goings on and/or palliness. Even pros could - should!- put a real effort into their first round tricks.

Community & Events / Re: EJC Diabolo Battle 2017, feedback is welcome
« on: July 07, 2017, 03:11:50 PM »
I think there should be a prize for the audience's favourite. If only to give people who have a super fantastic entry and who have the bad luck to encounter a defending champion in the first round the credit they deserve even if they don't have a big name or some other kind of status.
If the people in the audience could vote for their favourite entry after the first round you'd be giving the audience a voice and you'd achieve contestants put in some more effort into their first round tricks rather than relying on who they are/how pally they are with the judges ;-)

Videos / Re: New video with Bogdan - Silent Sound - at Malabarize-se
« on: July 06, 2017, 07:46:09 PM »
Love love love this... true art.


Dnce again, I think the most relevant complaints can be addressed by
- No more than 2 videos per person
- No more than X total amount on seconds on screen (I do not care how good they are, long suicide, integral combos are horrible to watch after 2 minutes, my opinion)
- Ensuring minimum of country reps
- Ensuring minimum female representation
And once again, fulfulling this rules would probably require a modification of 0.5/1 minute in the 2016 collab.

0.5/1 minute of change and majority happy? This, dear sirs and madams is a truly fair middle ground I would say. The voting will surely prove me wrong, but I tried :)

We keep coming back to things like these - a set of rules - and I still think it is a good idea.

I like the no more than 2 appearances per person thing in particular. Does this include EJC/Planet diabolo/other group shots? If someone is in a group shot does that mean they can have only one individual clip in?

The country reps shouldn't be too big a problem.

Ensuring there is a number of females, older people, young people (children) could be an idea. Maybe not a a rule but as something for the editor to pay attention to. Eg by posting updates/deadlines and encouraging certain groups (eg females) to send in clips. Of course nobody can be MADE to send a clip. I just think ensuring many different groups of people send in material could me made the editor's responsibility. S/he is the one person who knows what material has been sent in so far.

I'm New / Re: Introduce yourself
« on: November 28, 2016, 11:09:23 PM »
All right then, might as well introduce myself.

Name: Pauline
Location: Netherlands
Age: 30 something. There's questions you just don't ask a lady.

1. How many years have you diaboloed for?
Just over a year.

2. What or who got you started?
My horse. Three years ago I broke my hand resulting in me losing most of the "feel" I had in my dominant hand. My horse made it very clear that he was not going to put up with such clumsiness. I had in fact become unable to communicate in a subtle way through my reins. I needed to find a solution, and fast. When I saw a diabolo performance at a festival things fell into place.

3. What do you like best about the diabolo or juggling in general?
Not being in pain anymore. Also, diabolo gives me a zen-like focus and it offers lots of creative options. The artistic side of diabolo is what most appeals to me.

4. How many hours a day do you diabolo on average?
This varies greatly. Sometimes I practice a few hours a day and sometimes I don't touch a diabolo for weeks.

5. Do you ever perform with the diabolo?
Oh no.

6. Do you juggle other props? If so: balls, clubs, rings, cigar boxes, devil sticks... ?
Nope. I tried ball juggling first. That really hurt. It made it worse.

7. What are your favourite diabolos, sticks, and string?
I secretly like my unforgiving bitches aka Finesses. Taibolo sticks and orange Henry's string.

8. Do you like working with 1, 2, or 3 diabolos the best?
2 but not very good at it yet.

9. What is your favourite diabolo trick that you can do?
180-turns. I change from dominant to non-dominant side all the time.

10. What is the most amazing diabolo trick you've ever seen done?
Priam's endlessly inventive suicides.

11. What tricks are driving you nuts right now (what are you working on)?

12. What other diaboloists have inspired you?
Anyone who has a natural fluidity combined with well-executed tricks.

As a left-handed female who was raised in Spanish (will that do Wis?) I think more left-handed players should be in. But that is, of course, just my personal opinion/wish ;)

I just try to find arguments from you to understand why it’s important to have gender, nationality and age as selection criteria. The collab as 'a promotional video' makes it more clear to me.
I already gave arguments why I don’t think these are good criteria.

Would you agree that these criteria make it possible to show to the world that diabolo really is for everybody? I can think of no better way than to have in as many different people as possible.

And here I jump Pieter's boat a bit. I felt the need earlier, when in previous years the people with most level was not motivated to participate. I felt something was wrong, like the project we were creating was not attractive enough. I now look at it from the "getting more people to play diabolo in the world" perspective, and I feel they should be in. People should be mind blown, and encouraged to join.
Now we are getting somewhere. It is true that there are more top players in the latest collab video. Which means some time has to be dedicated to their clips. Which in turn means that some other people were left out. I feel that what we have on our hands is a time issue more than anything. We'd have to either make longer videos or use shorter clips, or fewer appearances per player, to keep everybody happy. Just because there is more people now.

7 Collaboration Video / Re: Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: November 27, 2016, 05:03:59 PM »
Shouldn't we share a part of the blame as a community for not having had this clearly needed discussion earlier?
I can see the point you are trying to make Wis. And I have a question for you. When did we find out a discussion was needed? As far as I am aware the need arose after Clément's video was published.

I think that as a community we should not be blaming Clément or anybody else and use all that energy to find a solution instead. This discussion is a good first step.

8 Collaboration Video / Re: Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: November 27, 2016, 10:38:32 AM »
Not everybody is. That is why we are having a discussion. Apparently, something has changed. Be it a perception. Be it the number of people who sent in a clip. Something has changed and many people feel the need to work out a way to take this change into account when making collaboration videos in the future.

9 Collaboration Video / Re: Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: November 25, 2016, 01:50:36 PM »
Surely there is a solution somewhere between a very extensive set of rules and the "don't fuss" sentiment.

I must say I like the idea of two separate videos. That way more people will be in one of them. How about...

one crazy skill video and one style/creativity video?

And leave the rules to the editors, with this thread for inspiration and reference, as has been proposed?

Skill and creativity not excluding each other of course, and with with some clips it might be a little hard to choose in which video they should be (think Alexis' clip in this year's collab video).


10 Collaboration Video / Re: Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: November 24, 2016, 11:16:38 PM »
Apart from

- good level of tricks
- togetherness/community feeling
- creativity in tricks and editing
- presence of female diaboloists
- pretty background

what more do we want? We might as well draw up a list right now ;)

11 Collaboration Video / Re: Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: November 24, 2016, 08:09:26 PM »
In the end, by allowing you to create this wonderful video, we trusted your emotions and your way to view the collaboration, as an artist would represent its view of a particular subject!
Exactly. If all material was sent to you the end result would have been different. And it would also have been different if the editing had been done by me. Bottom line (and at this point my Dutch directness kicks in)
If you (the general you, I don't mean Furlisht or anyone in particular) do not want to go through the bitter disappointment of being left out then don't send any material. As soon as you send a clip you know it will be subject to selection.
And if you want a collaboration video to be the way you like it then run for editor. Only Clément and Lucas did, and Clément got the job. This is what he has created with the material supplied. Be a grown-up about it.

In terms of content, because it is still a work of art this thread is about, the highlight, for me, is Jan's entry. It is aesthetically genius. The background and angle are perfect for the trick, and vice versa. Also, his entry is perfect for a video, on stage it would lose some of its quality I think. Would still be good but not AS good.

12 Collaboration Video / Re: Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: November 24, 2016, 04:47:26 PM »
I'm very proud about this collab and i understand why some people are displeased but try to understand my position and not to be fixed about " why i'm not in the collab " think about the diabolo world , is the biggest diabolo forum in the world and that why made a selection.

I do not denigrate anyone who is not in the collab i hope you trust me and for some people the hesitation was very very long..
You have every reason to be proud, it is a fantastic video. I enjoyed watching it very much and I am sure you did your very best to put it together in the best way you could think of.

At the same time your video has created a bit of a debate. It is the starting point of a discussion and I think it is very healthy for the art of diabolo and for our community/forum to discuss how we can make even better videos in the future. Thank you for making clear how you went about in selecting the best clips for the video. Inevitably your video will show how you think a collab video should be. That is not necessarily bad. Quite on the contrary I would say. And as you said: you can't please everybody. But let's take this opportunity to find a way that suits all, or most of us.

13 Collaboration Video / Re: Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: November 23, 2016, 06:40:30 PM »
Whoa, what a video! I can understand why these entries made it to the collab.

At the same time I understand the emotions of the people who have been left out. I think this is symptomatic of our discipline. Whichever way we turn it diabolo not only has been having a faster evolution than any other juggling discipline in recent years. The level of performance is also very, very high as this video shows. We saw the same thing in the EJC diabolo battle, where selection rounds had to be held for a first time this year.

The solution that came to my mind is not on Wis' list and I will take the liberty to present it to you now.

Would it be an option to make several collab videos - eg one pro collab, one amateur collab, one girl collab, one French collab, one Taiwanese collab- and present them here so that people can vote which entry they like best? And make one final collab video after the votes have been counted?
That way, we would get many more free Christmas presents ;) , it also makes sure everyone is in one video or another AND we get one final collab video with the very best tricks that will have been chosen in a democratic way. I understand this would be too much work for one editor. We'd be needing several.

Gear / Re: your favourite diabolo sticks
« on: July 27, 2016, 08:41:01 PM »
Thanks Damian, I'll stick* with my Taibolos then :)

*pun not intended

Gear / Re: your favourite diabolo sticks
« on: July 27, 2016, 03:12:39 PM »
Your replies make me wonder what is so great about deos sticks. I never tried them. Should I?

Community & Events / Re: EJC 2016 (not the collab performance!)
« on: May 19, 2016, 10:36:05 PM »
I should be there the whole week too!

I think I should be able to recognise you. We need to find Olive and start things for a girl collab video :P

Community & Events / Re: EJC 2016 (not the collab performance!)
« on: May 17, 2016, 09:28:40 AM »
As I live close to this year's EJC location I thought I'd come too and get to know you guys. I don't know any jugglers. Looking forward to seeing the battle in particular.

General / Re: Lady diaboloists
« on: March 01, 2016, 11:46:43 AM »
Chloé what they say about great minds might also go for female diabolo players' minds: I had the same idea. If we can arrange to put together such a video in a couple of years from now I might even be able to make a contribution ;)

Arjan I remember, I watched the championships' live stream. I really liked Vivian's performance. I missed out on the first bit of the diabolo competition and I had not seen Judith's entry yet. Thank you for sharing. If this is the standard for Dutch female diabolo players I have a long way to go!

Would definitely be fun to see what your student comes up with. The 20th century was one of many changes in Europe and my guess would be that one or more of them could very well have caused such a shift in diabolo land. If we are looking at a factor that took place only in Europe/the western world it might even explain why there seem to be more female players in Asia.

General / Re: Lady diaboloists
« on: February 28, 2016, 03:26:55 PM »
Hey sistas!

Your explanations make perfect sense to me. The technical intricacies of diabolo fascinate me and I see how diaboloing is perhaps a more masculine way of expressing one's creativity. I never juggled or diaboloed at school. I was raised in South America and things are a bit different over there. I am by the way European myself. Also I think that what Olive says about putting together a video could very well be a factor. Maybe men also like to be out there and perform on a stage more?

Arjan thank you for your welcome and for the historic perspective you have drawn. Now I have something else to wonder about. What could possibly be the social, economical and/or political factors that caused such a shift...

General / Lady diaboloists
« on: February 27, 2016, 01:10:09 PM »
Hello all. I am new to the world of diabolo. At first I had many questions and I found the answers to most of them on this forum. Thank you all for that.

There is still one thing that puzzles me. I hope you guys can help me on this one too.

What I noticed is that most diabolo players are male. Does anyone have an idea why that is? I am a girl and I like girly stuff and I also like to diabolo. Where are the other ladies? Are they less visible? Are there really so few diaboloing women out there? And why?

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