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General / Re: Craziest place you have diaboloed
« on: May 16, 2007, 05:59:26 PM »
I`ve diaboloed at pretty much every stately  home in England including a couple of the queens pads  :D

General / Re: Youngest/Oldest diaboloist on
« on: May 16, 2007, 05:43:12 PM »
I went to the 3 diabolo workshop at the BJC this year, I`m pretty sure I was the oldest and I`m not 30 yet !

This is 6 year old Matthew ;

General / Re:
« on: May 16, 2007, 05:29:31 PM »
Some cool vids on there, god I love the Internet  ;)

Gear / Re: Handsticks - Pros and Cons
« on: May 16, 2007, 05:16:50 PM »
Short Henrys carbon fiber is by far my favorite handstick.

Tricks / Re: I just learnt to... (2006)
« on: August 29, 2006, 10:15:12 PM »
Just dialed 1D mini-genocide  :D

Weired thing is it`s made a 2D mini-genocide feel even less possible  :?

General / 3rd Base ideoligy
« on: August 19, 2006, 10:45:05 AM »
Yes, let imitate the poor communication skills of American teenagers. Hey, why not call it 3RD BAZE :)

Tricks / Contact diabolo
« on: August 15, 2006, 10:56:20 PM »
Sussed a new contact diabolo move, I need to smooth it out but I wanted to get it on vid before anyone else invents it  :wink:

Videos / Collaboration video
« on: August 15, 2006, 10:52:26 PM »
You`ve created a masterpiece  :shock:

Gear / Lets Have Fun (was: Check This shop)
« on: August 15, 2006, 06:50:05 PM »
i would buy from a juggling stall at a festival or from a specailised juggling shop because i agree in what they stand for


why would i pay more needlessly

Because you 'agree in what they stand for.' would be a good reason.

I`m not trying to tell you or even suggest what you should do, I`m raising the point that it DOES make a difference how you spend your money, and that goes for everything you buy, not just circus equipment.

Gear / Lets Have Fun (was: Check This shop)
« on: August 15, 2006, 06:07:23 PM »
I am more than willing to accept many people live by a 'get as much as they can for as little as possible' moto, I`m just very glad not every one feels this way.

I also have no problem at all with people shopping where ever they so they choose, especially if they live on a desert island with no public transport system at all and only an Internet connection, computer, national electricty grid and reliable postal service to make do with  :wink:

We all try especially hard to get along with other jugglers/diaboloists, it does not mean we have to agree with them all the time.

I don`t believe cheaper is always better and the money we spend DOES have an effect. I chipped in when the prices of two companies where being compared, I didn`t think it was a fair comparison for the reasons we`ve discused.

Gear / Lets Have Fun (was: Check This shop)
« on: August 15, 2006, 02:32:40 PM »
Do the spammed plugs ever stop  :shock:

We know you want us to shop there and tell you about it  :?

It`s not a 'boring' conversation and I hope it wasn`t pointless for the others that read it.

Gear / Lets Have Fun (was: Check This shop)
« on: August 15, 2006, 11:38:11 AM »

there are two shops listed there.

Other then that, most circus people save up their pennies and make a pilgrimage to shows where they know equipment is being sold or to a convention, by an expert circus performer/teacher who can help them make the right choices.

I`m not saying don`t buy from the Internet, we all know how handy it can be.

Wasn`t there a massive international competition held in Ireland recently ?

missing the 'facts' ?


Selling brand new juggling equipment at massivley reduced prices compared to that which the manufacturer/importer/wholesaler has suggested, damages the whole juggling community right from the manufacturers of the fine equipment we use right through to the 8 year old learning to throw three balls in the air and catch them all again.

Cut-throught competition doesn`t drive down the price of manufacturing equipment, it takes money away from people who phisically support the juggling community until they can`t support themselves too and have to find more gainful employment.

People who 'sell-down' usually have very little connection with the other individuals within the industries they are working in. The UK is quite small, equipment retailers know each other, practice and perform together. They just wouldn`t dream of having price wars over products they all have to buy at exactly the same prices, because they understand the long term implications it has for everyone.

If it wasnt for the now closed and now sorely missed Mushypea in Manchester I wouldnt be a juggler and I would be making my living as something I hated rather than as a juggler.

I also have to thank the individuals involved with Mushypea for enriching my life in a similar way, using google with 'mushypea' related keywords finds many similar stories. Without the inspiration and guidence from them (bit of a collective) at the larmertree festival I certainly would have not started contact juggling when I did.

Gear / Lets Have Fun (was: Check This shop)
« on: August 14, 2006, 10:53:29 PM »
i would say that it is up to the new comers to the art form to keep it living

Thats silly, most people have never heard of the rich history of the Diabolo, let alone be able to teach following generations.

but i think that there are alot of people not willing to let it die and it will not die as long as there is people like us you want to keep it alive.

The problem is human beings die and often their unique skills die with them.

Mr babache and Henrys are two companys who have their fingers on the pulse of diaboling, they will be the two companie who will keep the art form alive.

They are manufacturers not independent retailers.

it is up to the indivial traders to set the price, and its up to compition for these tradors to undercut prices to servive. this is a good thing most of the time as the customer gets the better deal most of the time. the world of diavolo is a far way away from what you talk of and i cant see it happening.

Retailers may 'set' the price, but manufactures and wholesalers suggest roughly what that price should be. Retailers really don`t want to play the cut-throught undercutting game your suggesting, they have more respect for each other than to try and starve each other out. I am talking about the Circus and Diabolo community and I know you `can`t see it happening`.

you may be looking to much into it. the shop is pritty good and for diaboloest who are buying all these things it is better to get the cheapest. im only letting people know incase they want to get a good deal.

You`ve totally missed the point, cheapest isn`t always best for the informed and intelligent comsumer.

Gear / Lets Have Fun (was: Check This shop)
« on: August 14, 2006, 08:23:50 PM »
Phil, I think you missed most of my point. And your right, I don`t think I`ve met the online trader out in the real world that`s why I`m not taking about him as an individual, you obviously know him better than me :)

it can be looked at in another slant that because these small companies and people are able to offer better prices it actauly fights large companies getting larger and fighting small shops out of towns.

There are very few PLC companies inlvolved with the retailing and teaching of circus at the moment, one day if the popuilrity is high enough and the competition and prices are cut-thought enough maybe they will step in, screw the manufacturers and monoplolise the industry as best they can. It`s what they do.

well if you actauly enjoyed and followed the art form of the diabolo like i do and im sure everyone on this forum does then it would not become a dead art forum

It just doesn`t work like that. Companies that actually get out into the real world and engage people, especially young people, keep circus skills alive, they have to spend large sums of money in order to do it. Hundreds of people need to try the diabolo, just for one or two of those to really take to it, without the newcomers diabolo will eventually die out just like many other circus art FORMS have.

Gear / Lets Have Fun (was: Check This shop)
« on: August 14, 2006, 02:31:06 PM »
I understand the comsumers point of view that cheaper is always better, but somtimes consumers need to use their money wisely, in order to support the community they are part of.

The people who have traded (in certain ways) on Ebay over the last 5 years have laid waste to many industries. By not having shop floors, holding stock, performing, promoting, teaching and supporting customers they can easily afford to greatly undercut those who do.

Many of these 'traders' have real fulltime jobs to support themselves and their families with, selling items on ebay and making a few pence in profit for themselves. When they have driven all the small indipendent retailers out of business, there will be nobody left to to invent/improve skills or pass on skills to our following generations, there will be nobody left who really understands what we are looking for and nobody left to improve and repair the things we use everyday.

So many industries have been battered in this way and will never recover. We are all now at the mercy of HUGE multi-national companies, because the smaller retailers just can`t exist in the world we are creating. In the town I live in the only small shops to survive are mobile phone shops and greetings card shops.

I fear juggling is going the same way, at a festival recently everyone was selling poi, none of them where demonstrating, talking or teaching poi related skills because they had no interest in Poi other than how much they could make. Poi are just like t-shirts and novilty lighters as far as they are concerned.

Shop around for good deal, you`d be stupid not to. Perhaps we should all think about where we spend our money, when all the passionate retailing diaboloist have gone under their will be nobody left who is interested or skilled enough to teach our children how to hold one handstick still and whip the handstick with the other, then diabolo will be just another  old dead art form.

Videos / "Better Together"
« on: August 09, 2006, 10:11:53 PM »
A video you can be proud of  :D

Tricks / Contact diabolo
« on: August 06, 2006, 08:43:01 PM »
As a well practised contact juggler I was not expecting to fail in such a spectacular way at contact moves with a diabolo. I can only 'catch' the diabolo (any size) in the crook of my elbow  :?

Videos / [video]perhaps i can and délirium in minor trick
« on: August 02, 2006, 08:59:28 AM »
Cracking videos, thoughout  :P

Videos / Diabolidays
« on: August 02, 2006, 08:36:53 AM »
Nice vid, like the bonus vertex to vomit at the end  :wink:

Videos / [video]One Better
« on: August 02, 2006, 08:21:52 AM »
Another nice video, I`m going to need a new hard disk just to cope with all the diabolo related media.

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