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Videos / Re: Changing of the seasons
« on: September 17, 2014, 07:33:08 PM »
Whaou! Great tricks and excellent creativity!
Congratulation!!!!

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Videos / Re: Tim Schulze @ EJC 2014 Millstreet, Ireland
« on: August 12, 2014, 09:19:30 PM »
Graham Milligan your answer is strange. Perhaps you are not very familiar with English, or you did not fully read all the replies. A majority of your post has already been answered and explained, please reread the topic again.

As I feel concerned by your post, I m going to re answer it, using quotes of my last posts to make my answer as clear as possible.

this perfect world your imagining where every diaboloist comes up with their own tricks and everyone has a book of their own tricks that people need to ask for permission to use doesnt exist. Where is the Community in this? Where is the Sharing? Where is the growing together?


As I explained in my last message, if the person takes the trick to do something new. I think it is great! It can be in the way he performs it, in the way he moves with it... or a new diabolo evolution, but for me he has to bring his own input before performing it one stage. I don't say it s forbidden to copy something personal one stage. I say that I don't like to see it, and I think it should not be done.

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I m aware that a lot of the tricks are part of a diabolo vocabulary that every body uses. I never said that a diabolo player should re invent diabolo before going on stage.


So for me the growing together, sharing and community is that you take personal material from somebody and you make something out of it. I m against the copy past of personal stuff.  Don't forget that it is something else to copy a trick in your room, in order to learn it, and then perhaps do something out of it, than to copy it and do it one stage.

Where have you seen somebody write about his "perfect world"?  By using formulations like "for me", "I think"... I expressed my opinion. It's one of the goal of this forum, no?

On performing art, there are almost no copy writes.  You are allowed to copy a lot without getting legal problems. It does not mean that all the artist that created something will like to see it copy pasted. A majority of stage juggler I know would appreciate that they are asked before one of their personal findings is presented on stage. Some will be fine with it being copied. Other will not like it. It does not mean it is forbidden by law. It means that the juggler you copy pasted the trick from will not like it.

The art field is very subjective. Often there is no official definition. You have to create your own rule of what you think is fine to do and what is not. If people will disagree with you, they will tell you. Personally, I use a lot of mainstream tricks in my work. In my own rules I think it is ok. If somebody will complain to me, I will re think about it.

There is no official definition of mainstream or personal stuff. There is no write or wrong definition. If people disagree with someones copy-paste choices, they are free to feel so and tell him.

And he should absolutely NOT be punished for this.

Don't worry, he will not be punished ;-)

Jan

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Videos / Re: Tim Schulze @ EJC 2014 Millstreet, Ireland
« on: August 11, 2014, 09:49:37 AM »
surely the whole point of this site and the releasing of videos is to SHARE your tricks, let EVERYONE have a go at trying them to see where they can take them!

As I explained in my last message, if the person takes the trick to do something new. I think it is great! It can be in the way he performs it, in the way he moves with it... or a new diabolo evolution, but for me he has to bring his own input before performing it one stage. I don't say it s forbidden to copy something personal one stage. I say that I don't like to see it, and I think it should not be done.

You have this in a lot of art fields, that copy rights are almost don't existent, but it is not well seen by the community to copy paste personal findings.


Do you really think that all your tricks are personally yours? A high throw, Chinese acceleration, a suicide, a genocide.. are these all not technically tricks that everyone just takes for granted. How many times have you seen the Elevator being used in a routine?


Of course not. I m aware that a lot of the tricks are part of a diabolo vocabulary that every body uses. I never said that a diabolo player should re invent diabolo before going on stage.
As I explained in my last message, for the other tricks I didn't care to see copied ones or not. Because they are less personal creation to me. They are variation of something that already exists. For me, finding that you can turn you sticks in a little different way in a genocide is less a personal finding than to find that your diabolo can turn 360 ° while bouncing it. The one is a variation of a mainstream trick. The other is something really new. This is why I m fine with some tricks being copied, and I get annoyed by seeing other copy pasted on stage.

Jan

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Videos / Re: Tim Schulze @ EJC 2014 Millstreet, Ireland
« on: August 10, 2014, 09:03:21 PM »
First for the copy subject as it became the main subject of the topic.

I got annoyed seeing the "walk" trick from Arjan at beginning and the diabolo turning 360° from Guillaume at 1:01. We saw the act of Guillaume together at the gala of the Berlin convention were he did this trick. 2 month later you do exactly the same trick on stage. I don't think it should be done.

Usually I m not annoyed by somebody performing a trick from somebody else. In this case it did, because you copied two very personal findings. They are not a variation of a trick. To me they are very personal findings. Plus you copy pasted those tricks without adding anything diabolo wise, neither movement or character wise to the way you performed those tricks. I think this is why it felt copy paste.

For the rest of the trick I did not care so much. I saw that some where yours, some not, and others I did not know. But those tricks are not so unique and personal creations as the two mentioned above.

Now for the rest of the routine:

For the positive points:

- You do hard tricks on stage in a quite clean way. Most of the tricks are also nice to watch for a nice audience. So good job for that.
- You choose a clear artistic way that has a cohesion ( music, "character", lights...) Nice!

For the points to work on:

- You should make clear choices where you move on stage. For now it seemed random and not fixed.
- When you drop, I would advice to keep the calmness you have in the rest of the act.
- If you drop, I would not try the trick again, because for me it dose not go with this "certain vibe" you write of, and goes more in "the direction of the usual entertaining way of performing for classical circus" you speak of.
- Your act is only diabolo based. There is no strong theatrical, movement or concept research in it. There for I want to see unique diabolo. In other acts, where there is not only the diabolo, I m perfectly fine if 100% of the diabolo material is standard well know tricks. As long as there is something else that makes the performance interesting

If we put the copy past tricks aside, I liked the act. As you mentioned it is not finished. Looking forward to see it live when you have worked on it.

Jan

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Community & Events / Diabolo workshops in Lausanne (Switzerland)
« on: April 27, 2014, 01:40:40 PM »
Hello, during the summer I organize diabolo workshops for kids and teenagers. The age category is from 9-12 years old and 12-18 years old. However, if adults are motivated to join, they are welcome. The workshops are open for all levels. As there are only a few students per teacher, we adapt our teaching to the needs of each student.

The workshops are 5 days long (3 hours per day). They take place in Lausanne (Switzerland). For people coming from far away, it is possible to camp in my garden. The main teaching is done in French, but I can translate in English or German.

Find here my trailer: upinthehair final 2m blacklogo on Vimeo
The trailer of the workshops last summer: Stage de diabolo on Vimeo
The plane is to as well have workshops with older people and higher level this year.

The website of the workshops (French): www.diabolocirque.ch

Price per workshop and schedule:

200 CHF (165 Euros) for the workshops A,B,C E or F
170CHF (140 Euros) for the workshop D, because there will be 2h30 instead of 3h.

Stage A : From the 28 July to the 1 August, from 9h30-12h30 for the 12-18 years old
Stage B: From the 28 July to the 1 August, from 14h00-17h00 for the 9-12 years old
Stage C: From the 4- 8 August, from 9h30-12h30 for the 9-12 years old.
Stage D: From the 11-15 August from 13h45-16h15 for 12-18 years old.
Stage E from the 18- 22 August, from 9h30-12h30 for the 12-18 years old.
Stage F: from the 18- 22 August, from 14h-17h for the 9-12 years old.

For any questions, please write me at jan@compagnie-paradox.ch

Greetings,
Jan von Ungern-Sternberg

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Videos / Re: Cheese
« on: January 24, 2014, 01:41:38 PM »
Nice video and nice technique. I really enjoyed it!

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Community & Events / Re: Who's going to EJC?!?
« on: July 18, 2013, 07:07:37 AM »
I ll be there as well! It's gonna be Legend daryyyyyyyyyyyy!
Jan

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Nice video, I enjoyed it!

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Videos / Re: Diabolo.ca collaboration 2013 - Planting the SEED.
« on: May 15, 2013, 11:04:37 PM »
This year I will FINALY send stuff for the collab! I missed out on too many collabs in the past years...

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Oh good idea! I was looking for a tube in the same material as the tube of tony ( some carton), but it was impossible to find. I will try your solution. How ever, if somebody has a original one to sell me, I would still be interested.
Thanks!

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Hello,
I m looking to buy a tube to transport the diabolo. One like Tony used to produce back in the days.
It s a tube, like the one standing in the background in my video that I m looking for. "up in the hair" trailer - juggling videos hosted @ Juggling.tv
Please message me if you have one.
Thanks,
Jan

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Videos / Re: "up in the hair" Jan von Ungern-Sternberg
« on: April 16, 2013, 01:26:32 PM »
Thanks for the comments!
And thanks to the Void for the featuring. I love your description about the video on juggling.tv!

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Videos / "up in the hair" Jan von Ungern-Sternberg
« on: April 13, 2013, 12:35:36 AM »
Hello,
Here is the trailer of my act " up in the hair"

Youtube version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy2HryotrdA

Juggling tv version:
"up in the hair" trailer - juggling videos hosted @ Juggling.tv

And a shorter version of the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hguKbbt0UA

The editing is done by Martijn from the forum, and the filming by Nico Hesslin. Big thanks to both of them!

Thanks as well to : Arjan, Dixie, Gregor, Alexis, Crackers, Tim,Nico, Donald, Priam and all the others!

Have fun watching,
Jan

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Videos / Re: Nico Pires - Hong Kong Insomnia - Night session
« on: February 23, 2013, 11:29:52 AM »
Very good video Nico. It was a real pleasure to watch. Looking forward to see all does trick live in Toulouse!

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I'm New / Re: My arm aches when doing 2d
« on: December 26, 2012, 12:12:39 AM »
Quote
try to use more of your shoulder and arm in the movement, and less of your wrist it can cause wrist problems
I disagree...
I think good shuffling technique, for 2 low and specially for 3 low comes out of the wrist. It is not painful once you got used and you found the right movement.

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I'm New / Re: My arm aches when doing 2d
« on: December 25, 2012, 03:41:43 PM »
If you have pain in your arm, be careful. Some jugglers and diabolist get tendinitis when practicing too much ( irritated tendons). Then they have to stop for a long time in order to recover.

I advise you to warm up before and stretch after your training. Begin with little sessions in order to get used to your new equipment. If you feel pain, stop. Drinking a lot of water helps again tendinitis. Not having to much tensions in your wrists and arms helps as well. Your movement should be as relaxed as possible.

You might not have a beginning of tendinitis. I m not a doctor, and I didn't even saw you, but the advises above will be good for your arms any way...

Good luck with the 2 D, and take care of your arms.

Jan

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Videos / Re: Spin project
« on: November 18, 2012, 03:05:25 PM »
I first missed the video. Really nice editing and atmosphere!
Good job!
Jan

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Videos / Re: Etienne Chauzy - Assemblage long version
« on: October 13, 2012, 07:38:57 PM »
Wahou!

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Videos / Re: Cie Triobolo : "De l'absurde colorisé."
« on: September 30, 2012, 11:36:30 PM »
I fell in love with the first integral/ genocide around the body!
Good job

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Videos / Re: "Quintessenz." - Tim's newest thing
« on: September 27, 2012, 01:20:20 AM »
I just watched it again. Really really nice I have to say!
Congrats!
Jan

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