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Thanks Wis!!!

I think, yes, definitely hold onto/record those goals, as they're really good ideas :)

And thanks for looking into this - I'm sure we will be able to come to a good solution :)

Also, if you can't find an easy way to get a survey going in this forum, maybe consider using Survey Monkey or another website like that - it's free and they are set up specifically for situations like this.

Rich

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Hey guys,

Loving the comments and it's great to see that so many people are so passionate about this :)

I agree with Wis' comments that if we don't vote/decided as a group, we're not progressing, it's just the vision of a few of us, or the editor at the time, not the majority of the community. I say majority because it'll be impossible to please everyone with ANY decision that is made - just take a look at why we're having this debate. Clement made a decision on the direction of the collab video and there are people who don't agree with it.

The point I'm making is that this is inevitable - regardless of how fair we make a voting system, not everyone will be pleased with the outcome. However, as Jordan put it, at least we can have clear expectations.

So, I suggest that we open a voting system now, and keep voting open for a couple of months WHILE we debate. The benefit of this is that someone can be involved a little or a lot - not everyone has the time or inclination (like some of us) to trawl through lots of text to possibly change their opinion on a matter. And if this means that some won't have ALL the facts presented, so be it.

Wis, what do you think? Is it possible to open voting option that can stay open for a few months and maybe give people the option to change their vote? All we need to do is decide on the 3-5 visions.

I'd suggest using the 3 that we already have and maybe get 2 more from people - Pieter/Clement or anyone else that has a vision that doesn't look like one listed below, what would you think about presenting it?

1) "To present to the world the most imaginative and best quality diabolo that diabolo.ca players can produce in the year, while encouraging non-membersto join".
2) "To create a video for diabolo.ca members (and inviting others to join), that encourages all diaboloists to participate in, regardless of skill, and be seen by the rest of the group"
3) "To present to the world the highest level of diabolo skill and creativity whilst simultaneously portraying us as an inclusive and friendly community's. Also, inviting others to join".

Additional goals (for future discussion):
- Include a 2nd 'community' video where all videos will be included.
- ensure there are clear guidelines about what is expected in the video
- provide editor-submitter feedback
- Average audience retention for YouTube videos higher than 50%?

You may notice that I keep showing this list - I do this because otherwise, I see this conversation going in 'circles' for a long time with not much output. This isn't a criticism of anyone in this forum, it's just human nature and the way we naturally tent to behave without a few options being presented to us, to begin working on something.

Rich

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OK, what do you think of these 3 options?

1) "To present to the world the most imaginative and best quality diabolo that diabolo.ca players can produce in the year, while encouraging non-membersto join".
2) "To create a video for diabolo.ca members (and inviting others to join), that encourages all diaboloists to participate in, regardless of skill, and be seen by the rest of the group"
3) "To present to the world the highest level of diabolo skill and creativity whilst simultaneously portraying us as an inclusive and friendly community's. Also, inviting others to join".

Additional goals (for future discussion):
- Include a 2nd 'community' video where all videos will be included.
- ensure there are clear guidelines about what is expected in the video
- provide editor-submitter feedback
- Average audience retention for YouTube videos higher than 50%?

I say we get one more 'option' and then open a voting forum? Once we get a vote, we can move onto deciding the details for next years video etc.

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Hey guys,

I've been following this for a while and thought I should chip in to the conversation.

Initially I was very disappointed to not be included in the video after putting in so much effort with filming, but after reflection, I realise that Clement was only doing what he thought would be best for the collab. And we all voted for him, so we also voted for his vision/goal of what it should be about. Any editor will have their own spin on things, with their own style.

So, it's seems like the next step is to move forward, as a group and create a vision for future collabs (I can see this is already happening).

I think if we continue to discuss the way we are, with long messages etc. some of us will put a lot of time and thought into it, and others not so much because they don't have enough time, interest or English speaking skills.

so, my proposal is this - tweak something that Void said earlier and brainstorm a list of what our vision statement should be, then vote on it.

It's extremely common to create a vision statement when starting a business, organisation or team. Once you have defined it, it makes it easier to then make smaller decisions/goals that are linked with it (it helps you to know if you're going in the right direction). I have done this many times with small companies etc. and it's extremely helpful. I know it sounds a little weird but please bare with me.

A vision is a little bit different from goals. Your vision is the overarching statement that the goals come from, and then after that the way the videos will look.

So, a vision statement could be something like this:

"To present to the world the most imaginative and best quality diabolo that diabolo.ca players can produce in the year."

or

"To create a video, specifically for diabolo.ca members, that encourages all diaboloists to participate in, regardless of skill, and be seen by the rest of the group"

So, once we have a vision statement, then the details of categorisation/what's included/goals can easily be listed.

e.g. if we choose the first vision statement the goals (which also should be voted upon), could look like this:

Only really clear, high quality video will be used
Specific styles of music (funky, bpms, electronic etc.)
A certain level of creativity is required
A certain level of professionalism
Background needs to be xxx
Editing and animation needs to be at a high enough level so as to be attractive to people from non-diabolo backgrounds

I know this list isn't much different from what has been said many times before with these videos, but at least if everyone's clear on what to expect, there won't be as many disappointments.

So, in summary, I think we should vote on a vision/direction, before we get into the nitty gritty of what should or should not be included.

I'm going to suggest that we either use these 2 statement or tweak them, while adding another 2 or 3 and then let's start the voting.

1) "To present to the world the most imaginative and best quality diabolo that diabolo.ca players can produce in the year."
2) "To create a video, specifically for diabolo.ca members, that encourages all diaboloists to participate in, regardless of skill, and be seen by the rest of the group"

Rich

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Tricks / Passing siteswaps & patterns
« on: November 25, 2016, 08:12:01 PM »
Hey guys,

Does anyone have any passing siteswaps they could share?

Rich

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Diabolo.ca Collaboration Video / Re: Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: November 21, 2016, 10:30:34 PM »
It's interesting to see that a lot of people say that the focus of the collaboration video is to show the rest of the world what Diabolo.ca can do.

I'd like to ask the question: why is this a priority?

Does it matter that the 2012 got 900k views? For me it's more about sharing within our community. But I understand if you think otherwise.

I do believe that visually this is the best video by far, but at what expense? Is it really a collaboration of everyone from this forum or just a select few, top diaboloists in the world. If the latter, then why call it a collaboration video? it seems like a large percentage of diaboloists that submitted their videos didn't make the cut, so they didn't collaborate at all.

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Videos / Re: Diabolo Collaboration Video 2016
« on: November 20, 2016, 08:42:28 PM »
Amazing video, skills and editing.

Still, I think it takes away the spirit of the collab to leave people out, especially when others got more than one trick there.

I put a fair bit of effort into filming for this to not be included :/

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Videos / Re: 6 diabolos low flash by Guillaume
« on: November 06, 2016, 06:13:47 PM »
In response to Icebox.  I feel you that you've seen such changes in the last few years - I too have seen quite a lot since beginning playing 17 years ago.

From my perspective, there's no such thing as 'what diabolo is all about'. There will always be people who have interests in different areas: numbers, high stuff, low stuff, body moves, 1d, 2d, 3d, performance vs. play etc.

I don't think that this is what you're saying, however I've heard it quite a few times from different people over the years.

I think of diabolo styles like different types of music.

I say embrace the crazy numbers, just as we should any other stuff we're not into. As long as someone's having fun with it - go for it :)

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Gear / Re: Sundia Sun vs. Sun Rise & light kits
« on: September 17, 2016, 08:55:48 AM »
Thanks Ronnie :)

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Gear / Sundia Sun vs. Sun Rise & light kits
« on: September 14, 2016, 09:08:24 PM »
Hey guys,

I'm looking to purchase 3 x Sundia's because I like their new light kits.

Can anyone give me some advice on:

1. What do you think of the light kits? Any tips etc?

http://www.oddballs.co.uk/sundia-led-kit-p-3023.html
http://www.firetoys.co.uk/diabolos/glow-diabolos/sundia-usb-led-kit-for-diabolos.html

2. Would you recommend Sundia Sun or Sun Rise?

http://www.oddballs.co.uk/sundia-sun-diabolo-p-3068.html
http://www.firetoys.co.uk/diabolos/diabolos/sundia-sun-rise-diabolo.html

Thanks

Rich

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European Juggling Convention 2016 - Almere, Netherlands

This is a video collaboration of over 50 diaboloists that were at the EJC in Almere, Holland in August 2016.

They each put on a small routine or trick for the collaboration.

Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/519LYSCobzs

 :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D


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Tutorials / One Diabolo Tutorial - Reverse Catch Combinations
« on: June 28, 2016, 10:43:01 PM »
Hope you like our latest tutorial - Reverse Catch Combinations

This one took a LONG time to produce - lots of fun though :)

https://youtu.be/xFrO6JpQkMQ

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This may sound silly, but I'd recommend getting some friends together to do a mock trial the most preferred method OR, visualise doing it while watching videos.

This would be like a mini-rehearsal and would give you an idea of what works or what's too long/drawn out etc.


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Community & Events / EJC 2016 - Diabolo Video
« on: June 27, 2016, 05:17:30 PM »
Hey guys,

I'm planning to make a diabolo collaboration video for EJC 2016.

I guess you don't really need to do anything as I'll be walking around with my camera, asking any and all diaboloists whether they want to be part of it :)

Rich

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Community & Events / Re: EJC 2016 - Diabolo.ca Collab Performance
« on: June 27, 2016, 05:16:06 PM »
Great idea Graham!

Did you get the idea from the FDC? That was SO much fun :)

Im in

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Tutorials / Re: Diabolo tutorials now has 400 videos
« on: May 09, 2016, 09:55:41 AM »
Thanks guys,

I made about 95 of them.

Marko - I'd LOVE to add your tutorials. Any chance we could do some work to put English sub-titles in? It shouldn't be too hard to do.

Rich

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Tutorials / Diabolo tutorials now has 400 videos
« on: May 05, 2016, 06:57:10 PM »
Shameless plug for diabolotutorials.com - we now have 400 embedded diabolo tutorials on the site - all the decent ones that the internet has to offer 8)

Hoping to get to 500 before the end of the year - if anyone wants to create a tutorial that's not already on the site, please contact me and I'd be happy to help :)

Rich

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Videos / Re: Guillaume Karpowicz 2016
« on: May 05, 2016, 06:55:00 PM »
Wow - now I know why I love diabolo.

Amazing!!!!!

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Practice / Re: Some tricks
« on: April 24, 2016, 11:56:32 AM »
Yes! There is absolutely no need to, you easily throw a 5 when doing 2 diabolos high with less bigger moves than your normal 3 high...

Thanks, I've been working on this now and do find it harder to keep the arms down (although it is possible).

I wonder why this is the case - do most people who do 2/3 high have a problem with this? Maybe it's just a bad habit I picked up while learning to do this on my own...

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Practice / Re: Some tricks
« on: April 20, 2016, 09:24:10 PM »
And thanks Timo ;)

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