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Tricks / 2D string wrap question
« on: April 24, 2012, 08:39:45 PM »
My progress with 2 diabolos is being held back by an inability to accelerate them to high speeds- I've got a solid collection of moves that don't require high speed (leg stalls, figure eight suns, one-handed suns, suicide, various grindy things, a very quick and short sprinkler etc) but some of the things i want to learn, i think, require faster spinning diabolos.

Most diabolists seem to have the ability to do a dominant hand wrap and hover the diabolo while it picks up speed- i just can't get anywhere with it- when I wrap, it immediately starts to descend down the string and then messes up.

Bizarrely, when I do the wrap start, i can easily hover it as long as I want- but I can't pull one out of the shuffle and keep it hovering.

I know that someone's going to suggest doing quick wrap/unwraps on alternate diabolos, then gradually try to extend the time it's wrapped- I have worked on that, and will continue to do so, but a) my tolerance for practicing it is pretty low cos it tends to work fine some of the time, then randomly just tangles up & b) I've had zero progress in actually extending the hover time- that move for me only works if I wrap then immediately unwrap.

Clearly, there's some technique necessary to keep the hover going, and, unless someone can give me some indication of what it is I'm currently not doing, I'm wasting my time practicing it.

Can anyone help?

Gear / The ideal diabolo
« on: January 22, 2006, 02:20:59 AM »
What would the ideal diabolo be?

Currently the Henries Circus seems to be considered the best diabolo currently available, with the Finesse being a close contender, and preferred by some.

But, leaving aside what is actually available, and wandering into the realms of 'what if', do any of the expert diabologists here have views on what the ideal would be?

I'm thinking that it would include the best characteristics of both Circus and finesse- obviously it can't have everything, for example, a wide axle is good, but so is a normal one (depending on what moves you're wanting to use), and obviously a diabolo can't have an axle that is simultaneously wide and narrow :)

However, there are some 'best' characteristics of Circus/finesse that the ideal diabolo could have-

1. Cup rubber- in terms of ease of cleaning, I think the Finesse type comes out on top here- despite use of meths, solvents, Flash and all the other cleaning tips I've seen on this board, the fact remains that cleaning a Henries is more of an ordeal and less effective, than cleaning a Finesse

2. Cup style- personally I think the finesse is a bit more logical here, with the weight focused more towards the rim (but see point 3 below)

3. Weight- I'd say that, for me, the unmodified Finesse is a little light, and the Henries with normal axle a little heavy. While the finesse does the weight kit options, I'd prefer just a heavier cup (maybe as an option) as then the extra weight goes where it's best suited to- on the rim, not the center

4. Axle bolts- problem with Henries is that you need a socket set and a spanner to tighten/loosen it; I think I prefer the Finesse 'allen key' system, but wonder if there's any disadvantages to it?

5. Ready-to-go: I really don't like the current Henries practice of shipping the diabolo with what is, by todays standards, a rubbish hub that will quickly get ruined by metal handsticks. It seems a shame that it costs extra to get a decent hub, simply to throw away the old one- from a customer perspective, it's bad practice (I'd be happier for them to recoup possible losses caused by a big stock of old-style hubs, by charging say, £2/£3 extra for a stock diabolo with the decent hub)

So, to sum up, for me, the ideal diabolo would have finesse-style cup material and cup shape, but heavier.

Although, on the cup style issue, I'm aware that my reasoning is based on theory- the fact that weight is focused on the rim is theoretically good, but I can't help noticing that many good diabolists prefer the Henries style cup- is this purely because of the extra weight, or are there other reasons?

What other factors could go towards conceiving the 'ideal diabolo'?

Gear / Beard Jumbo Flares for 2 Diabolo beginners?
« on: January 07, 2006, 01:08:14 AM »
Beard Jumbo Flares for 2 Diabolo beginners?

A bit of beackground- I started working on 2 diabolos a year ago, in the Christmas period.Using 2 Henries Circus, I got to the point where I could throw in, get the basic pattern going, and do basic corrections.

However, none of it was consistent- occasionally I'd get runs so long that my arms started to hurt, but, in the main, it was just as likely to get fluffed on the throw in, or deteriorate after a few turns. same with the corrections- occasionally they'd work, more often, they wouldn't.

This was in spite of a fair bit of practice, and a lot of useful tips from various diabolo experts.

Perhaps worst of all, I often found practicing two diabolos to be very annoying, occasionally to the point of fury :)

Now I'm not unused to pushing myself to practice difficult skills- I've been a juggler for over 15 years, and learnt difficult stuff that took months/years, such as 5 ball cascade(currently around 200 throws consistently), two devil sticks (in the uncommom 'tic-toc' pattern, not as independant propellors), lots of advanced poi stuff, Muni etc, etc.

Yet I was finding two diabolos to be more emotionally difficult, than anything else I'd done, and ended up just giving up and focusing on other stuff.

Then, just before this Christmas, I started regular practice, and again found myself getting occasional long runs, but very little consistency; and being troubled by things like both diabolos consistently tilting away from me, and corrections making things worse.

One good thing was that I finally understood that my previous lack of success with 'wrap-in' starts, was down to a fundamental mistake in the way I unwrapped the diabolo- once I'd worked that out I found I could now wrap-in instead of the throwing in method I'd previously used.

However, I just couldn't get an intellectual grasp of what it was I was supposed to be focusing on- I can handle the fact that these things take time, but I need to feel that there's some coherent thing that I'm supposed to be working on, rather than just throwing them in and hoping for the best.

I also realised at this point that one of the problems was that the underlying frustration building up over a session due to drops etc, was excarbated by the Henries tendency to unexpectedly wrap and skuttle up the string into messy tangles- there's holes in my wall as a result of that :)

(incidently, maybe this expains why Henries make the best string- you need it for their diabolos).

Anyway, to get to the point, during a session which was actually going a little better than usual, but was still lacking consistency, I thought about having a quick go with the Beard Jumbo Glitz Flares that I have in my workshop bag.

I know that Beard diabolos aren't rated that high, and I'd previously not done anything with them other than use them for workshops, but, I remembered something that Dave P. said about his old Renegades being especially easy for getting a basic two diabolo shuffle going, and it occured to me that the hard plastic cups of the Beard Jumbos was quite similar to those of Renegades.

So I did a wrap-in start with two, and they kept going!

And I did it again, and again. Amazingly, when they went out of position, and I did a correction, they obediently got back into line.

I even found that I could ease back on correcting because the Beards could sustain a shuffle even if they were a little out, unlike the Henries, where any minor misaligment, unless immediately dealt with, would lead to disaster.

I rated the Beards as being 5-10% easier than the Henries; but then, having a few more goes with the Henries, I upped the estimation to more like 50-100% easier.

Of course, I'm under no illusions that I'll necessarily find Beards easier in, say, 2 months time- I'm sure there's good reasons why serious diabolists use Henries/Finesse/Yoho diabolos for doing 2/3.

But, I do think that, if Beards are in some ways easier for beginners, then that is significant.

Certainly I've had a much happier time than usual when doing two- it's nice to get a consistent shuffle going and inspires me to work on it more. I also feel that it's going to help a lot when doing 2 with Henries, I certainly think that my starting with Henries has already benefitted and become more confident- I also feel happier when correcting, because I at least know that the techniques I'm using do work (previously with the Henries, I just felt weary when attempting a correction cos I knew it probably would lead the diabolo getting worse rather than better).

So, what I'm wondering is how you feel about that, and whether any of you have much experience with using Beard Jumbos for two.

I'm kind of putting forward a hypothesis, that-

for beginners, at the stage of knowing the basics of starting, maintaining, and correcting a two-diabolo shuffle, that Beard Jumbos are, in some ways, easier than the usual Henries/Finesse.

(though personally, I've never tried 2 with Finesse, but they seem to be fundamentally the same as a Henries, just lighter).

Certainly, as far as I'm concerned, they seem considerably easier for me, and it will be interesting to see if some other beginners with 2 that I know will feel the same when I take them down to juggling club next week.

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