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Gear / Finesse weight kits (evolution kit 3)
« on: February 12, 2005, 11:00:40 AM »
I was always unsure of whether to choose between 2 Finesses or 2 Circuses, but with the release of the weight kits, I think I'll go for a Finesse.  I was always unsure because they were quite light, but I did like the Evo 1.  Now I'm certain, plus the light kits are much cheaper for the Finesse.

BTW, for UK individuals (or threesomes) are now selling the weight kits too.  Just follow the shopping / diabolos / Mr.Babache.  They retail at £3.95 a pack apparently.  Never bought any, so have no opinions, but the increase in weight is definately more interesting.


General / Diabolo art
« on: February 10, 2005, 03:57:24 PM »
Some funky photos you got there, like the style.  Definate art styling (not that I follow art all that well.)
If you don't think your skills are that up, watch a few more videos, practise some more, develop a style of your own.  The flag swinging is cool too.


Gear / cheap string...
« on: February 08, 2005, 10:10:13 AM »
You're pretty much just looking for any string that is "braided" instead of twisted.  I've heard of people using certain types of fishing line, though a bit hard to see the string I imagine.  Just check out local hardware stores or haberdasharies (sewing shops) to see what sort of polyester or nylong string you can get.


Tricks / Tricks that add spin
« on: February 02, 2005, 02:49:38 PM »
I must confess my fan technique is lacking somewhat.  Though I do agree that small hand movements are necessary to reduce the rate of slowing, and conversely for the S-fan.  

Though something I've noticed when doing one handed suns swinging it around the leg and such, is that the harder and faster you do the sun, the quicker the diabolo slows down.  If you do the motion in a fairly slow and controlled manner, then you still have spin left over.  When I was learning these, I used to fling it around for that lil extra pernash, but it lost all spin and just twisted up the string.  To do with the force of the axle due to the magic of physics (which aren't really interesting enough to comment on).

The same should apply with a regular Fan, by keeping the hands close together and moving firmly but not quickly, you should be able to keep it going longer.  I shall try this and time it soon.

Though when I watched your trick of the week with the finger grind to s-fan and magic triangle out, when the diabolo was thrown from your hand, it was quite wobbly with lack of spin, but once in the s-fan seemed to sort itself out quite nicely.  So the fan should do something for speed.

More thoughts please!


Tricks / Tricks that add spin
« on: February 02, 2005, 12:07:43 AM »
There wasn't a topic on this that I could find, but thought it could be useful in the formation of combos and such.

What I'm interested in knowing, is what tricks can be incorporated into a long string of tricks that would add spin to the diabolo so that you don't have to break up the routine by chinese whipping or orbital thrusts to keep it going.

A list of moves that I know increase speed when done:
1) Infinate Suicides - you can use these to start it spinning as was pointed out in the said topic by Sean, séan and others and also acclerate it by pulling longer on the upstroke.

2) Arm / Leg / Body / pet hamster orbits - just like the thrusts without the wrap and the foundation of the 2D shuffle that keeps it going.  If you have dirty string, works very well fairly quickly, but don't even try wrapping the diabolo less you want a face of it.

3) S-fan - during a 2D routine, this can add spin if done in the same direction as the spin of the diabolo so it can continue for as long as they stay in line.  I'm not able to get one diabolo on the darkside one personally, can only do the C-fan which just slows things down.

Are there any other tricks people know of (1, 2 or 3D) that can add speed without disrupting the rhythm of tricks so you can make it all flow like the remenants of a bad curry.

Also any moves that really slow a diabolo down that should be avoided for any great length of time (like grinding) would be useful as well.  Hopefully this will aid others in linking tricks together successfully.

(The MFP did something like this at the WJF I believe, I'd like to hear what they had to say too.)


Gear / Re: Cleaning diabolos
« on: January 30, 2005, 07:07:47 PM »
From what I've learnt from Mechanical Engineering,
Mixing parafin (kerosene for US) with washing up liquid and water (not sure of the quantities) makes a very effective cleaning and degreasing agent and is used in manufacturing applications to remove grime and oil from components.  Not sure if it'd be good on string due to it's poruous properties, I would have thought that it would make it very slippery like a parafin spill on concrete.


Tricks / Web done by Trash
« on: January 30, 2005, 07:02:34 PM »
I saw this trick at the end of the Ryo Yabe WJF vid too and was just amazed at how it just appeared, very scary.  It took me a while to figure it out, but from what people have been saying on this topic, it's the same way I came about figure it out.
You have slack string from your dom. handstick which you whip over and around under the string on the weak hand, and then poke the dom. handstick through the loop from the string.

I've not actually been able to do this with a spinning diabolo standing up, only on the floor and still.  I can't seem to get enough slack string to go around, and to then stick the stick through to hold the web.  Probably need a longer string.  I do believe it is more of a knack thing that just happens, because it all occurs so quickly you just can't think about it, or it'll all go wrong.

It is definately a very innovative trick, I just can't comprehend how a person would come up with something like that.  It is (and many others) a testament to the ability of people in this skill.


Tricks / 2 diabolos in one hand
« on: January 29, 2005, 11:01:00 PM »
Hey there, after giving three diabolos a bit of a go without much success, I think I'm jumping the gun a bit.
I'm trying to use a wrap start, like in the Diabology, thought it'd be the most convenient from a speed notion.  But getting into that position has proven most problematic as the idle shuffle is all too small when I transfer it to one hand, and when I try to jerk it to open it up, just seems to collapse the shuffe.

So are there any techniques as to how one might get a better one handed shuffle going?  Or any body that has had similar problems.  It'd be cool to do like Ryo at WJF with 2 in each hand.


Gear / Does a Finesse G1 (UK) come in white?
« on: January 27, 2005, 09:32:07 PM »
I was having a discussion with a friend of mine about whether the G1 finesse could be bought in white in the UK.  I'm pretty sure there are white finesses (sean's avatar is a sign of that) but are they available for the ickle UK that we are.  The Moonbeam ones are a different matter as they glow in the dark.  Or are they one and the same?

I think white is a cool colour to get and equipment in (apart from CJ balls, best in acrylic) and I'd very much like to get some white diabolos (currently stuck with dark blue).


Gear / How long does your string last?
« on: January 24, 2005, 08:18:06 PM »
I used to use my own aluminium sticks as well made from 10mm bar with a hole drilled in the tip and out one side similar to the henry's ali.  Any slight burr on the edge or in the "barrel" will cause the string to fray and eventually break with prolonged whipping.  I solved this by cutting of a small piece of tape that I stuck backwards to itself to form a lil tube that I slid inside the hole I made to act as a sleeve.  This worked fine.

I also solved it by changing back to wooden sticks with the same mod on the end so the string comes out of the stick which I find helps when doing 2 diabolos.  Though I could do with a way of making the string rotate freely so that it wouldn't get all tangled (very similar to yoyo string, and we all know how annoying that gets).

Generally my string lasts for about 3-4weeks with frequent use.  When it used to break near the knot, I just retied it till my string got shorter and shorter it was pointless.


General / Diabolo for a job!
« on: January 24, 2005, 08:11:12 PM »
I know Airtime Kites, my parents lived nearby and I used to work in the cinema in Bluewater.  Though I tried to get a job in there but they didn't seem interested, though my diabolo and yoyo skills have improved.  Nice place though, I'd like to have the time to play about in there.

As for degree in circus skills, you should talk to Norbi, I think he's planning on taking a course in Juggling in a school in london.  I do believe it can be taken as a course, either a BA or a HND or something.  From what I understand though, it's pretty hardcore.  Not just for jugglers but other performing arts such as gymnastics, balancing, stage and such.  Exams take the form of end of semester performances I believe.

Very interesting though, I must agree, have a lil google search on it, I'm sure you'll find what I'm talking about.


Community & Events / WJF 2004 (Final results, TV times, DVD trailer)
« on: January 23, 2005, 12:40:33 AM »
Must say, that's still pretty damn cool how it all worked out.  That's gotta be such an awesome high to be as old as you are and to be a world class judge for the up and coming juggling skill of diabolo.  I would have been so humble to have to critique the styles of the MFP or Hall or anyone.  Definately something that puts a shine on a CV "International Competition Judge".

It's also good to know that the UK still has some good showstoppers coming out of it after the likes of Ben Jennings, Luke Burrage and Toby Walker (although he's welsh...)


Community & Events / [WJF] How were you approached to be judges?
« on: January 22, 2005, 08:07:34 PM »
Hey there,
I've heard lots about the WJF competition, especially the diabolo section from here, but what I'd like to know is how you (Sean, Norbi and Trash)were approached to become judges for the WJF competition.

This to me seems like such a great honour, especially as they had some top class people judging the world class juggling sections (such as Ben Jennings).  I must say, the skills you guys possess are amazing and very fitting to judge a high caliber event.

Did Jason Garfield ask for you, or send some assistant to find someone?  Also why they asked Norbi who's UK based, and Trash who's France based (did they pay to fly you guys over?).  And did you decide among the rules between you or did someone else do that?  I'd be interested to see how points were awarded for different tricks and routines.

Just wanna say, stella job all of you for putting on an awesome competition show and having judged it so well (I would have thought Priam or Ryo would have won, though all competitors are top notch).


Gear / Henrys Beach Diabolos
« on: January 20, 2005, 11:28:28 PM »
(mod edit: your s fan question is answered in the S fan and fan threads. These can be found in the 'tricks and video sticky')

Also a lil off-topic (considering how I started it), are the axles on Henry's Circus the same as Beach, or does the Beach just have a nastier version?


I'm New / Re: Introduce yourself
« on: January 19, 2005, 11:55:04 PM »
Name: Chiok
Location: Bath, UK
Age: 20

1. How many years have you diaboloed for?
About a year and a half

2. What or who got you started?
Toys R Us had a lil one that I bought for my birthday.  Then I came to Uni and discovered alot more about it

3. What do you like best about the diabolo or juggling in general?
I like juggling because it's nice to feel yourself improve and learn new things.  Also it looks pretty cool.

4. How many hours a day do you diabolo on average?
I generally juggle for about an hour a day just to see if I've gotten any better

5. Do you ever perform with the diabolo?
Not really proficient enough to perform with diabolo, have done with general juggling and fire juggling though

6. Do you juggle other props? If so: balls, clubs, rings, cigar boxes, devil sticks... ?
Balls, clubs kinda, rings, yo-yos, poi, staff, contact, a lil too much of everything

7. What are your favourite diabolos, sticks, and string?
I got 2 Henry's Beach a lil while ago and they're nice.  Would like some Circuses or Finesses.  The yellow Henry's string works the best, and modded wood sticks so the strings comes out the end.  Though haven't owned any carbon or glass fibre.

8. Do you like working with 1, 2, or 3 diabolos the best?
I like 2 because I've just gotten it to work so I'm learning tricks now.

9. What is your favourite diabolo trick that you can do?
The 2 diabolo fan and sprinklers (hyperloops) are best (tho need work)
Also the 1 diabolo tomicide.

10. What is the most amazing diabolo trick you've ever seen done?
I think excalibur diabolo is up there.  or 3 diabolos in one hand.

11. What tricks are driving you nuts right now (what are you working on)?
Getting in and out of sprinkers and fans cleanly, and backwraps on 2.

12. What other diaboloists have inspired you?
The MFP showed me where diabolo has and can go, especially Priam, JiBe, Eric and Antonin.  Norbi because he's a local boy and can do it with the best and Matt Hall shows it doesn't matter how old you are, you can still be awesome.

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