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General / Diabolos and the general people
« on: May 06, 2006, 11:04:30 AM »
Hey guppygold welcome to the world of streetperforming!
Doing tricks with a hat lying on the ground is the simplest aproach to streetperforming altough you´ll never get verry much monney that way (it can work ok if you are a musician though).
You will enjoy performing much more if you put together a real circle show, more fun and more monney once the show starts to work ok.
The most important part of streetperforming isn´t your technical skills, interacting with people and making them like you is far more important.
And dont get depressed if your first shows suck, every streetperformer suck in the beginning. After each show analyze it and keep the things that were good and change what isnt really working.
When i started out on the street i went to Copenhagen wich is a big place for streattheatre and watched other performers doing their trade, it was a humbling lesson but also gave me lots of inspiration and knowledge about how to work the streat. Without that experience i would be an engineer today...
I sugest you go to a pitch with other performers (mabe covent garden in London) to se the really good performers in action and get some inspiration from them.

Some questions thts good to meditate on:
How do i atract a crowd?
What do i do in the show?
What costome do i wear?
What caracter do i have?
Ho do i ge them to pay?
Where do i perform?

Migth i also sugest you check out this site
The library section is a real goldmine.

Community & Events / NJC 25/5-28/5 2006
« on: April 23, 2006, 11:29:33 AM »
The nordic juggling convention is just one month away!
If you want to have a taste of whats waiting take a look at the video from the swedish conventon last week.
Its not so much diabolo in it but some amazing juggling, and well filmed and edited. The nordic convention is going to be even better i think!

Tricks / 2 sided diabolo siteswap notation
« on: April 20, 2006, 01:02:26 AM »
sorry for highjacking this tread, maybe this shuld be put somewere else.

Siteswaps with 3 diabolos are of corse extremely difficult tricks whatever siteswap you atempt to do.
And throwing in the wrong directon adds a new difficulty, most of us have spent years throwing one way and verry little time throwing the other. I think the cascade would be a more natural pattern if if you knew how to shuffle both ways.
But since the rythm is twice as fast thinking this way somethings will be more easy.
Translating normal diabolo siteswaps into to 2hand siteswaps can easily be done. Every throw comes from one hand and all catches done with the other imeadiatly followed by passing the diabolo to the throw side.
2 high (basically a 2 ball shower) would become 31 in ball siteswap.  3 high (a 3 ball shower) will be 51  and so on.
The (onehand notation) diabolo sitswap 531 will translate into 915111 ballsiteswap. It is verry different from the ball siteswap 531.
Whats the point of all this crap?
Well lots tricks i havent seen done culd be atemped
51 and 531 are both nice juggling tricks ballsiteswaps looking like no diabolotrick i have ever seen and i really dont understand why they shuldnt be done with diabolos eiter.

Tricks / 2 sided diabolo siteswap notation
« on: April 19, 2006, 09:30:56 PM »
Sorry i was a bit unclear about what i meant in my last post.
The siteswap notation in diabology are onehand siteswaps, there is no concept of throwing from one side to another. So there is no way  to say that the diabolos shuld be thrown in cascade using that notation.
Balljuggling siteswaps are mostly for two hands, a 3 is thrown from the rigth hand to the left hand.
Its possible to catch and throw a diabolo from close to either stick. And by using ordinary juggling siteswaps we can tell from what side the diabolo is thrown and also where it will land.  
What im trying to say is that its possible to juggle ballpatterns such as the cascade or 501(ball siteswap) with diabolos and also describe the pattern as a 2hand siteswap (plain balljuggling siteswaps)
I appoligise for the confusion

Tricks / 2 sided diabolo siteswap notation
« on: April 19, 2006, 08:01:27 PM »
mod edit - first 5 posts were cut from the 3 diabolo cascade thread -Sean

Balljuggling siteswaps applied on diabolo.

(if im reinventing the wheel pleas tell me)

When i read this tread about the 3-diabolo cascade an idea poped up into my head.
The cascade is a balljuggling siteswap known as 3.
We have two handsticks and we can trow the diabolo/diabolos  from close to either stick and catch close to eiter stick. So in theory at least we shold be able to do some balljuggling siteswaps with diabolos.

0 Doing nothing without diabolos
1 would be swiftly passing the diabolo from one stick to the other on the string.
2 just holding the diabolo close to one stick for 2 beats. a bit of a problem if you shuld throw from the other stick...
3 is a throw from one stick to the other lasting 3 beats,
4 is a throw to the same stick lasting 4 beats,
5 is a throw from one stick to the oter lasting 5 beats.
And so on...

One and two ball siteswaps shuld be quiet possible to do this way.
The usual 2D high pattern would probably be described as 31 thinking this way.
501 is a cool 2ball siteswap that shuld be doable with diabolos as well.
300 is a simpe 1 ballsiteswap (one out of the cascade) that can be done like this.

Tricks / Loop excalibur/vertax
« on: April 13, 2006, 05:04:55 PM »
Nice idea!
Maybe you can grab the string onehanded and swing it low and jump over the string...

Gear / What type of sticks are these???
« on: April 08, 2006, 07:21:26 AM »
Looks just  like my old henry sticks.

Tricks / Re: I just learnt to... (2006)
« on: April 07, 2006, 03:00:25 PM »
been bussy practicing and this is the results so far:
I learnt infinite suicides (about time)
solid vortexes (both short and long) as well as continous vortexes.
Best of all i got continous rigth -left backwraps working, kind of 2d umbrella, its aspeedkiller though... but if you have one diabolo spinning backwards it can be used for accelerations also. I also managed to do a coupple of swingingfans yesterday ill have it solid pretty soon i think. Not much progress with my 3 high though still has crappy 8 throws as a reccord...

Gear / Re: Cleaning diabolos
« on: March 27, 2006, 02:35:34 PM »
Today i found an old eraser (piece of rubber that you erase writing with, thats an eraser rigth?)
 in my drawer and thougth, what the heck maybe i can clean my diabolos with it.
And it actually worked  verry well on my white finesses, but not at all on my collored circuses. Something about the structure of the surface i reccon. I also found some tippex, but didnt dare try it...   :wink:

I think most of the dirt is small particles thats rubbs of from the sticks when corecting the diabolos. Maybe some harder material (such as titanium  8) ) migth cause less dirt.
I decided to put some glitery decorating tape on my handsticks (because it looks nice) and maybe this will affect the speed of dirt as well. If it does ill tell you about it

Videos / [2d] around the leg
« on: March 22, 2006, 04:37:35 PM »
I think it can be a good idea to practice making the shuffle as big as you can. (use your left hand to lift the diabolo as you throw it), then there is more space to have the leg in. I agree that a trapetze is a good way to start. I usualy start from a backwrap and thats also good.
Good luck

Gear / Kevlar string attachment dilemma
« on: March 17, 2006, 12:35:50 AM »
Or different sticks...
I use a pair of drumsticks together with my kevlarstring.

Community & Events / NJC 25/5-28/5 2006
« on: March 05, 2006, 06:41:01 PM »
The Nordic Juggling Convention 2006 will be arranged in Jönköping  Sweden on May 25 - May 28 2006
I know there is a lot going on down in europe at the same time but it would be great if some other diabolists came to this one, and see the lovely lakes, a moose while you are about it...
The convention is located in a nice town in southern sweden and the people who aranges it are also nice, as well as most of the participants.
There will also be people repesenting the swedish jugglingparty there trying to raise some votes for the uppcomming election...
There is a website for the convention at

General / Diabolo Spin Rate / Speedometer
« on: February 18, 2006, 08:44:58 AM »
If you have a rough idea how fast the diabolo is spinning you can calculate an exact value if you put a smal dot on the cup and film the diabolo with a high framerate. Just watch 2 frames and calculate how much the diabolo spin in this time. The rest is simple multiplication.

To get a rough estimation of the spin
You culd meassure how long it takes to do the "circle whip" without much force. If the diabolo is neither sped up or slowed down it moves on the string without slipping much. So its easy to calculate the spin then.
For example: Assume  that the wrapped diabolo moves the whole string ,1200 mm in 1.1 seconds and the hub has the diametre 10 mm.
The spin rate will aproximatley be
Probbably quiet a big margin of error if you do it this way though.

Videos / Diabolo Bazoka
« on: February 13, 2006, 05:06:37 PM »
Surfing idly on the internet , I came across this genious invention, thougth id share it with you.

there is also a blueprint if you want to build one yourself.

Gear / titanium handsticks ?
« on: January 31, 2006, 06:06:54 PM »
I guess i was looking for a 10 pipe about 1 mm thick. Wich requires about half as much material as in the 8mm solid bar. assuming its not more expensive to make a pipe than a sollid bar (maybe it is)  it would then cost about 25-30£ for a metre wich is quiet expensive, but not near as expensive as I feared. Ill call some local company who sell this kind of stuff.
As for the hubbs, i guess ill have to get them in teflon. Or get them custom made in titanium while im about it ...
Yes mattias of course ill be on njc, where else would i bee? I have been to several of the small conventions in jonkoping and they were all verry nice. Chaotic but nice all the same. this will be my first big convention  since 1998 where i learnt the diabolo...

Gear / titanium handsticks ?
« on: January 31, 2006, 02:46:03 PM »
I would love to have a pair of handsticks made out of titanium.
So i consider building myself a pair sometime in the future.
Not only would they look cool they wuld be strong as steel and ligth as aliminium.
I was wondering if anyone here have done this before. Or thougth about it and rejected the idea for some reason. And third i've heard that titanium is quiet expensive and would like to know if annyone has a clue how much the material would cost. ( if ill have to pay 1000$ for apair ill have to wait a while   :( )

Gear / How do you carry your diabolos around?
« on: January 22, 2006, 04:53:35 PM »
I recently got myself a rolabola, two of my diabolos fit perfectly inside the rola part :)

Gear / Fire Diabolo: Cops and Fire departments
« on: January 20, 2006, 09:57:19 PM »
The propper way to deal wit the police is to apply for permits pay fees three times a day. Maybe even have a lawyer involved...

This is the sneaky way to do it...
The best way to handle the police is to compleatly avoid them.
Polices doesnt apear out of nowhere (at least not here in sweden). My guess is that some responsible person saw what you was doing and thougth it looked dangerous or even evil and phoned the police. (I once got a whole firesquad visiting me when learning fire juggling... because someone thougth i was a bushfire  
 :oops: )
Maybe its possible to find a more discrete place to practice.

If you cant avoid them be nice and agree with everything they say, just nod look happy and understanding and try to ignore the bad taste in your mouth when you say yes sir...
If you start to argue with someone it will piss them off and someone who is pissed of will be happy to cause you troubble...

The average copper is also likley to say no to anny weird question just to be on the safe side. If a copper says "yes dude do your show", and you then screw up and kill a child ...  the cop will be in big **** (as well as you). So if possible avoid asking annything questions att all. Once they say "forbidden" they will never change their mind.

In your case the police has a valid point, the fire diabolo is really too dangerous to be performed without safteythings.

Tricks / Re: I just learnt to... (2005)
« on: December 28, 2005, 06:32:34 PM »
Been ages since i last learnt something new...
But finaly something to add to this thread!
sprinkler standing on top of a rolabola...
(its a plank resting unstably on top of a cylinder)
 tons of people do firejuggling(rolabola but this is not so common i think.
Its a freaky fealing and will be a killer in the show! (since i will fall 1,2 m if i screw up 8) )
going to try an sfan when i feel  more balanced...

Videos / Different excalibur/vertax entries
« on: November 23, 2005, 05:54:50 PM »
If you have a henry beach klying around doing no good there is a cool trick you can do with it.
grind on left stick and tilt backwards, put the rigth stick in the midle of the cup  and lift. The diabolo will rise and spin on top of the stick, then toss it ino the air and enter the excalibur however you like...
This trick only works because of the plastic rings inside the  henry beach s cups...

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