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General / Genocide
« on: May 17, 2006, 06:56:08 PM »
I have been told since this post that the WJF would not allow the terms genocide and suicide during the ESPN 2 broadcasts. Is this true?
Maybe the media will be changing the names for us.

To Matt. and Jakob
Thanks for your response.
I do believe this debate is common sense. We may be setting a precedent for our art and sport. I am not a PC advocate. You don't know me personally so you will have to  trurst me on this. I am all about freedom of speech.  
To your point.  Now Genocide means two things. so does wife beater. I agree that people understand the difference especially all of us.  Should we continue  on this line and make Child Molester or Nigger killer mean two things?  Both are equally offenseive as genocide to me.
Mother ****er might be a cool name for a trick, but does it promote our art/sport?

Am I saying we should change the name? I  don't know, thats why I started this post. If we do as a community decide it's time for a change, I don't  honestly believe changing the names wold cause mass confusion for diabolists.  My common sense says we all deserve more credit than that.

Keep em comming I would love to hear from more of you


General / Genocide, Suicide, Homicide
« on: May 17, 2006, 05:02:54 AM »
I was listening listing to a documentry on the horrors of real genocide in Germany, Africa and the Middle East., and it occured to me that "Genocide" might be a lousy name for a such a cool diabolo trick. I used to say to **** 'em if they can't take a joke. Is it a joke? Now I am not so sure.

    I used to think "Suicide" was cool name for the trick. When people first started doing them it seemed difficult and a little risky. 15 years later its a basic trick and considered easy, hardly worth a deadly name.  Some of us have friends that have committed Suicide. Is it a good name for a diabolo trick? I don't know, but I do know when I teach young children the tricks I call them "Let goes, Fly aways, or stick releases", I got tired of having to explain to the parents later why there children are doing things called genocides or suicides.  :oops:

I think people most people understand it is just a name for the trick. And we mean no harm or offense. I have used the terms myself for 20 some years. I am not particularly offended by........................ well, much of anything.
On the other hand if someone named a trick "Date Rape" or "Woman Beater." I would not be amused. Yet is Genocide less of an offense than date rape?

I would be interested to hear the community's thoughts on this.
Does it matter?
Does anyone care?
Have you encountered someone in the public that was offended?
As a growing art, what do we want to present to the world?

By the way if Donald Grant changed the names and reprinted his books, I would still buy them all over again.

Love to hear the debate.


Tricks / Thanks
« on: May 17, 2006, 04:05:39 AM »
Thanks Matt!
Thank You for all of your help on this quest too!
Nice to hear from you. Can't wait for Portland either

Sean, I tried the wrap start for 3d high. Way cool thanks for the tip. I got off nine throws on the first try. Not so many after that, but I think this will be quite a bit easier than 3 low.
I love this site!

-Mick Lunzer

Tricks / Thank you for 3d help I fnally got it
« on: May 15, 2006, 02:46:23 AM »
Thanks for the tips. I will let you know how it goes.

Tricks / way to go!
« on: May 12, 2006, 03:57:28 PM »
Thanks Barnsey. Congrats Sean!
I just started three high, how do you get into it from a wrap?

Tricks / Thank you for 3d help I fnally got it
« on: May 12, 2006, 03:15:57 PM »
Hey, everyone! I just wanted to say thank you. I got 46 throws with 3d low sync pattern last night. I have been working on it for about a year and it is finally starting to click. It's the hardest trick I have learned (after juggling 20 years that is saying something) My point is through the frustration , confusion and long nights of crying myself to sleep at night due to lack of progress, my only light in the darkness of this 3d world was this forum. I relied heavily on this forum for advice, wisdom and encouragement. Thank you for your postings, videos advice and insights. This is a great community and I am happy to be a part of it.

Now, I have some 3d corrections to practice

Thanks again

Mick Lunzer,
Dew Drop Jugglers

General / 3d instants
« on: January 12, 2006, 06:54:21 PM »
Thanks for the help. :D  I have lots of reading and viewing to do!

General / 3d instants
« on: January 10, 2006, 04:42:20 AM »
 Thanks for the tips :D  3d seems to be a hard road. Maybe we should develop a Fresh thread on all the tips for learning 3d rather than discuss whether it should be done or not. That way the people who are interested can learn from those who are doing it. And we can let everyone who isn't interested debate if we are ready to do 3d or not. If there is already such a thread I haven't found it. I'm pretty new. :)

I really like the smiley guys 8)

General / instant 3d
« on: January 09, 2006, 08:47:51 PM »
I just caught this thread. I really have heard it all before, in 1989. I was around when Jeff Mason First performed two diabolos. The conversation went a lot like it is going now. I started on two diabolos as soon as I could. People were telling me I should slow down and learn more with one. They said two isn't all its cracked up to be. It was limited. I had a number of fellow jugglers say they refuse to learn two because it was the latest fashion they wouldn't buy into. They said it has become meaningless because so many people were doing it. By the way, none of these people went far with their skills. For me, after learning two diabolos, going back and getting "depth" with one, was a cake walk, in fact it helped me come up with new stuff for 1d.

If you only know one 2d trick and your natural energy is toward 3d. Do it now. Going back and getting "depth" with 2d will be a cake walk.
I can tell you for a fact, that thats how it went with 2d and 1d for me.

If you can do 3d and tell others they should wait, I suspect you want to keep your trick more exclusive.

If you can't do 3d and you discourage others, I suspect you might feel better if you were'nt the only one who can't do it.

I am working hard on three low with slow progress. If someone gets to 4 and 5 low before I do, I will jump on those trains without waisting a moment debating if I should gain more depth with 3.

Sometime the "holes in our foundation" help us look at the structure differently. This is often where innovation comes from.

So here's to 3d the latest greatest fashion!

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