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Toddyupa

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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #340 on: June 25, 2010, 12:22:24 AM »
The reason 3Jiabolo...'s continuous reverse cascade is a reverse cascade is because that yellow diabolo (from the slow-mo) has to land exactly where it came from. Instead of landing on the right, it landed in the middle, where you then popped from the other side, with a reverse cascade. It should land where it pooped from, the right side of the stick, and as soon as it lands it should be pooped up again, and you keep doing this for a continuous reverse 42.

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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #341 on: June 25, 2010, 01:54:11 AM »
Impossible, except maybe for Dave or Crackers or Dodson, an some other masters 3d in a few years. Arjan mini gen with 2d, wrapping a sprinkler around 2 and then after the mini gen, doing a double handstall.
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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #342 on: June 25, 2010, 06:46:30 AM »
@toddyupa
It should land where it pooped from?! xD

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The movements of The gen would mess up The sprinkler
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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #343 on: June 25, 2010, 08:01:25 AM »
It doesnt even really go into a sprinkler. With the diabolo on the backside you cant really push it over to put the other 2 into sprinkler.

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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #344 on: June 25, 2010, 08:14:43 AM »
@ 3 jiabolopupil

this trick is very good but unfortunately no a continuous reverse 42. what i be live has happend is that you have entered reverse cascade with a 42 pop from the right. so its kinda a reverse 42 entry to reverse cascade.

the first trick in the video is a reverse 42 like i do but not a true reverse 42. as i tried to get someone to figure out a true reverse 42 would have the 2 as an antishuffle. so we need to come up with a better name for what i called the reverse 42.

mind you what you have done is extremely hard and i encourage you to try and extend that reverse cascade to the point that it is smooth and then use your kind of reverse 42 as an entry and exit?



The reason 3Jiabolo...'s continuous reverse cascade is a reverse cascade is because that yellow diabolo (from the slow-mo) has to land exactly where it came from. Instead of landing on the right, it landed in the middle, where you then popped from the other side, with a reverse cascade. It should land where it pooped from, the right side of the stick, and as soon as it lands it should be pooped up again, and you keep doing this for a continuous reverse 42.

I think...

exactly right but as i said its an 42 entry

now a continuous reverse 42 or what ever the hell i do can be done. but you have to have a 3 in between. or a kind of half 3, you see as the 4 is on the right and the 2 is on the left a continuous reverse 42 would end up in a kind of reverse cascade. making it an entry to reverse cascade. now to do a reverse 42 contiously it would become 423. this means the 4 will always stay on the right and the 2's from the left.

its time like this that i think we should include the lowest diabolo in sitswaps. would sort this right out. :)

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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #345 on: June 25, 2010, 02:45:50 PM »
Just did a little thinking... shouldnt a proper continuous reverse launch 42 be like the 4 as a column on the right side and the other 2 doing a shuffle-ish thing?
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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #346 on: June 25, 2010, 04:55:28 PM »
Why can't you do the sprinkler? I can't do 3d so I dont understand.
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Toddyupa

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« Reply #347 on: June 26, 2010, 07:19:21 AM »
I know someone probably thought of this, but I'm still to see it: Feed the Sun 1-3. The siteswap numbers would be 4 4 1* 3*. This would probably be a real challenge, as the diabolo that does the 1 can't really go in the air, because if if does it will be hard to start the sun with this as the 1st diabolo.
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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #348 on: June 26, 2010, 09:28:00 AM »
Crackers was trying this out at southern lights...it seems definiately possible and he was pretty close to landing it.

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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #349 on: June 26, 2010, 10:14:28 AM »
I know someone probably thought of this, but I'm still to see it: Feed the Sun 1-3. The siteswap numbers would be 4 4 1* 3*. This would probably be a real challenge, as the diabolo that does the 1 can't really go in the air, because if if does it will be hard to start the sun with this as the 1st diabolo.
Al did it aages ago. Its not very hard to do actually, really nice visual trick tho. Ill try and find the video where he did it.

Edit: Around 23 seconds in =]

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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #350 on: June 26, 2010, 10:36:52 AM »
Very good Dodson. THanks. Now I want to see a 4 4 1* 4 4 1*. If someone can land THAT, I will really be impressed.
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« Reply #351 on: June 26, 2010, 10:51:26 AM »
Very good Dodson. THanks. Now I want to see a 4 4 1* 4 4 1*. If someone can land THAT, I will really be impressed.
Just 1 suns? like 441441 high? but low?

Toddyupa

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« Reply #352 on: June 26, 2010, 12:05:27 PM »
yep. please don't tell me you've seen that too... (remember, it has to be continuous. And a 4415151 etc would be nice too!)
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Diabolo Dodson

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« Reply #353 on: June 26, 2010, 12:07:10 PM »
yep. please don't tell e you've seen that too... (remember, it has to be continuous. And a 4415151 etc would be nice too!)
I dont see whats so hard about that...

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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #354 on: June 26, 2010, 05:36:55 PM »
yep. please don't tell me you've seen that too... (remember, it has to be continuous. And a 4415151 etc would be nice too!)

I think the hard thing about that one is its an invalid siteswap :P
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44145151
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« Reply #355 on: June 26, 2010, 05:47:04 PM »
I think the hard think about that one is its an invalid siteswap :P
Try
44145151
I mean i dont how doing continuous low 441* is a crazy trick idea. Its not very hard at all. Never tried the 51's. 451515141 might be the easiest way. Easiest way for high anyway.

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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #356 on: June 26, 2010, 06:31:11 PM »
I think the hard think about that one is its an invalid siteswap :P
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44145151

huh? 4415151 is a valid siteswap 4+4+1+5+1+5+1 = 21 which divided by the amount of throws (7) the you get 3. Therefore a valid siteswap. If you add a 4 then it throws it to 25 therefore not a valid siteswap.
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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #357 on: June 26, 2010, 06:38:01 PM »
huh? 4415151 is a valid siteswap 4+4+1+5+1+5+1 = 21 which divided by the amount of throws (7) the you get 3. Therefore a valid siteswap. If you add a 4 then it throws it to 25 therefore not a valid siteswap.
According to the diabology siteswap simulator, the object count is 3, but its still and invalid siteswap. I dont see why it wouldnt work tho.

Edit: Remember continuous 51 has to end with a 41 one. Making 441515141 invalid.

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« Reply #358 on: June 26, 2010, 07:24:26 PM »
From my experience with siteswapping I know it is invalid because I know [51] is an excited pattern, meaning that it can be done continuously and requires entrance as well as exit. I say entrance and exit in reference to the other siteswap number throws that must be done to go into and out of the pattern.

441 is a vanilla pattern; it can be done continuously but doesn't require an entrance or exit. Same with things like 3, 531, 4440, 42, etc

Here are a few entrances and exits I was able to pull off for entering the [51] excited state I think they also all work for the excited state of [450] (which is such a beautiful 3 high siteswap)
4[51]...
45601[51]...
52[51]...
5620[51]...
631[51]...
622[51]...

Some exits to play around with for [51] and [450] that I know are
....[51]2
....[51]41
....[51]530

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Toddyupa

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Re: 3 diabolo tricks - crazy ideas
« Reply #359 on: June 26, 2010, 10:21:50 PM »
4415151...41 can be done,  in low, I am yet  to see it though. A 4415151...512333 is another possible way to exit. Can someone please film:
441*441* IN LOW (I look at Dodson after his reply "I don't see what's so hard about that..." ;)
4415151... with ...515141 as the exit or ...51512 IN LOW as the exit.

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