Pure ownage perhaps? [mind blowing tricks inside]

[Flo]

I wanna see that stuff, with 2!

Well, look at Makki and many other Japanese guys.

[martijn]

I know, but still, that's different. Everybody has it's own style. This is cool in another way.

[pranay]

Yes it is a great video!!
He showed us almost only yoyotricks but that is great because we can,t watch(or it,s very difficult to watch)these tricks because the yoyo is so small and now it,s easier to learn the tricks because the diabolo is bigger and moves slower!!
i don,t want to say diabolo is better than yoyo but with the diabolo you have simply more possibillities.In yoyo you need different yoyos to make different styles.
I see one problem in competitions.if someone showes many yoyotricks and the judjes don,t know them.what should they do?
At the end I want to say that yoyoing is GREAT because it lookes so good and brought all these amazing tricks to Diabolo!!!

[I_Ko]

I like the video for sure. It is really miles away from my style, I think that if you do that kind of stuff in front of an audience, you could allmost just do the same trick over and over again, because people cannot see what you are doing in that speed. I like smooth tricks, where you can see what is happening.

But indeed a nice video.

[LaNgErZ]

well i've got a few words to say to whoever posted this, you clearly dont understand yoyo in the slightest to have posted such an absolute pile of mac, and how is anyone ever going to progress if they only use tricks that have already been done? and i'll get the point "At one point he attempts a realy sketchy infinate suicide" the suicide starts in two wraps. and it is pysicaly impossible to do infinate suicides that way on a ratchet diabolo. so in fact you sir are a retard... by the way its my video    

I may be wrong but I don't think he will be as good with two as he is with one. His one diabolo skills are awesome, no question about that. I think he has transfered his yoyo tricks to diabolo rather than using diabolo-only tricks.  At one point he attempts a realy sketchy infinate suicide-this tells me that he hasn't realy seen many diabolo tricks and he can do crazy yoyo based tricks rather than some of the diabolo basics. He has transfered the yoyo tricks to diabolo well but because he's taught himself mainly (I think anyway) he may not be aware of the possibilities with multiple diabolos. Also running two yoyo's on the same string is quite uncommon and he may not have tried that.

This is just an estimated guess,

Leo

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Boy, would I look stupid if I was wrong now.

[seán_]

....so in fact you sir are a retard... by the way its my video    

...This is just an estimated guess,
.

Oh so its your video, that gives you the complete right to act with no class,
sweet first post

[Shawn Fumo]

LaNgErZ, my advice is.. never post when you're angry! Guppy's post had kind a weird tone to it, but being reactionary never helps things. Especially with a first post no less, as sean said..

Hopefully this thread will stay on track, since I think it is an important video in a lot of ways. Let's all play nice people...

pranay:

i don,t want to say diabolo is better than yoyo but with the diabolo you have simply more possibillities.In yoyo you need different yoyos to make different styles.

Hah.. let's not even go there.  That way lies madness like trying to compare diabolos and ball juggling or something. Just for the record, for four of the five main styles in yo-yoing, you could easily use the same yo-yo. The exception is Looping, where you need a thinner yo-yo than most would prefer in the other styles. For everything else it is just preference. You don't actually need big rubber hubs for offstring (and in fact the winner of Japan nats for offstring uses a regular yo-yo).

Think about this... most people use a smaller diabolo for solid-loop since it is lighter and the string doesn't cut your hands so much. Or a wider axle for finger grinds. Different kinds of sticks.. Not to mention fixed axle versus ratchet diabolo which have different strengths. I don't know that yo-yos and diabolo are quite as different as you may think in terms of needing different equipment.


Anyway, I'm just glad to see overlap of styles in all kinds of juggling props and skill toys. I hate any kind of elitism from one skill to another because we all have lots to learn from each other. Like a lot of jugglers didn't give poi a chance, but it has developed a lot of tricks over the last couple of years (both in traditional, glowstringer, and yo-yo circles).

I'll have to see if I can try to learn some of the tricks in this vid.. I think I'll have to stick with mostly the slack whip stuff for now though, since it seems like the quad-on trapeze type stuff would be a lot easier with a bearing diabolo.

[-Leo-]

well i've got a few words to say to whoever posted this, you clearly dont understand yoyo in the slightest to have posted such an absolute pile of mac, and how is anyone ever going to progress if they only use tricks that have already been done? and i'll get the point "At one point he attempts a realy sketchy infinate suicide" the suicide starts in two wraps. and it is pysicaly impossible to do infinate suicides that way on a ratchet diabolo. so in fact you sir are a retard... by the way its my video

1. I was only making an educated guess on what tricks you are probably capable of by watching the video.

2. I forgot that ratchet diabolos struggle in a wrap, so I'm sorry for that comment.

3. You could progress a lot if you learnt tricks that had already invented, if I could do every trick that had ever been invented. I would be one of the top diaboloists on the planet. I can't but I think you can see the point I'm trying to make.

4. I don't claim to know a lot about yoyoing but I have a friend who is pretty decent with yoyos and from what I've seen your on your video you use your diabolo like a 1A yoyo.

I'm sorry if my post seemed a bit weird and negative but I genuinly enjoyed watching it because your style is completely different.

His one diabolo skills are awesome, no question about that.

Definately yoyo influenced. Most of the tricks I didn't understand but it looked phenominal. Thanks for sharing!

Finally, maybe you should consider correcting people when they are wrong on a certain subject rather than resorting to childish name calling. This forum is for people to put their own ideas and opinions across, give and seek help and guidance and most importantly enjoy!

That is all.

[_Rezi]

Well,
It was marvelous. I realy love this style. I can honestly say that ist one of the best diabolo movies I have ever seen. It realy doesnt metter if there is just one diabolo and maybe there is a lot of trick which are realy easy to do but main is the result and its imposing.
I just hope not everybody now want to do the same, because its so nice if its extraordinary and unusual. So keep the eye and just wonder about diabolo frenzy

[ztt]

i liked the tricks and the style, i enjoyed watching the whole video

[Morphine]

My brain hurts  

[LaNgErZ]

yeah alright to be be fair i am definatly yoyo influenced, that doesn't mean however that they are all yoyo tricks. a mere 1 trick on the video could be converted. also of course at some stage i have learnt some traditional diabolo tricks. but i would not use them in my video because its kind of like ripping them off. i can also assure you that i am aware of the possibillities with multiple diabolo's that will probably be one of my next posts. looper and 1d ring look like the next things to post seeing as you dont really see it anywere. anyway guppygould i would like to pass judgement on some of your skills, please direct me to your nearest vid.

cheers everyone who watched and posted much apreciated. keep it up

[Matt_]

it doesn't make sense to say "you cant judge me because you dont have my skills". my favorite baseball commentator is Mike Krukow, he is a local commentator for the SF Giants. i love his commentary and the things he has to say about baseball. but you know what? he was a pretty bad baseball player. most people don't know much of his career. does that mean that the things he says are incorrect, because he isn't as good as the players he comments on? absolutely not! in fact, if you say, "well, let's see YOUR skills," that's a fallacious argument (its called tu quoque, i believe).

when someone has something to say to you, attack their argument, not them (that's ad hominem).

and notice that in his post he said "i may be wrong" and even admitted it was "just an estimated guess" and said "boy, would i look stupid if i was wrong." it was a self fulfilled prophecy! so why do you have to tear him up?

so...chill. everyone has a different style. it's weird that people are bashing you for not doing their style, yet they are giving you props for having your own style in the first place. i don't get it.

by the way, what type of diabolo are you using? a yoho superspin?

[frank0072]

if I would speak english just as good as Matt_ I would have said exactly the same thing. Chill out.

[nev]

I'm liking this video a lot.  Thats a really nice crossover style which makes me want to know more about yoyo.  I always liked Nick's whip / web stuff and this video has added a further dimension.

Anyone who has that amount of control over their prop (whatever the style) definatley gains my respect.

Thank for sharing.

And Matt_ its not a superspin - my guess would be a spinabolo (from the distinctive ratchet sound & the fact that superpins dont ufo grind that well)

[martijn]

And Matt_ its not a superspin - my guess would be a spinabolo (from the distinctive ratchet sound & the fact that superpins dont ufo grind that well)

Yeap, that was my guess as well.

[Matt_]

And Matt_ its not a superspin - my guess would be a spinabolo (from the distinctive ratchet sound & the fact that superpins dont ufo grind that well)

oh ok. hmm, they have those in a local shop! i should get one. i want to get a rachet diabolo, but i'm not sure which to get...i've been waiting for the MB version. well, maybe i should take that discussion to a different thread

[martijn]

Yeah... keep waiting another 10 years, and I bet they still haven't come out. Also, the slippery cups of the spinabolo are very nice to play with, you can do some great ufo grinds and other schnit with them.

oh ok. hmm, they have those in a local shop!

You're so lucky! I had to order them from Texas, took them about 7 weeks to get here

[clickdeath]

Yeah it's a spiabolo. I cant wait to get mine, it's on the way from america free of charge along with over $100 worth of yoyos for free too!!

[LaNgErZ]

yeah it's a spinab, but that one's the pro one. get that it's so much better for fast stuff. it's smaller than the normal one but still fairly weighty. does anyone actually use a superspin? cause i had one and it was properly rank, it would always get the harshest death wobbles. and whats the MB version i'm intrigued......
 
seriously dude i never said that!

it doesn't make sense to say "you cant judge me because you dont have my skills".

all i meant was if he wrote an essay evaluating my style then i would like to have a look to see his point of view. it was not meant to be a ripp!

seriously ceasefire!