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Chiok

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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2006, 10:48:19 PM »
Nice tutorial Tijn, covers all the main points.  Unfortunately though, I've been playing with them for a few months now and still have not managed to catch one.  I'm struggling mainly with the aim to connect, and then if I do connect, the stick and string flings the diabolo away instead of wrapping around.

I may have to try different equipment to see if that makes a difference, lighter stick or something.  Still, good idea on the left-right reversal, very helpful when it comes to tutorials.  I imagine you reversed the directions too ;-)  Very considerate of you though.

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martijn

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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2006, 10:53:19 PM »
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Still, good idea on the left-right reversal, very helpful when it comes to tutorials.  I imagine you reversed the directions too ;-)  Very considerate of you though.

Yeah, I mirrored the video and I changed the descriptions, so the lefties don't have to do that anymore in their heads... Still no words about it from John, Arjan, or any other lefthanded diabolist on the forum here! :P

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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2006, 02:05:27 AM »
Oh wow! that unwraping helps a helluva lot more than i thought it would! Im surprised it was such a simple thing! i must have been landing at least 1 in 10 today, as opposed to my 2 or 3 a day!
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I'm struggling mainly with the aim to connect, and then if I do connect, the stick and string flings the diabolo away instead of wrapping around.

I was having the same problem for awhile too, i found that what i was doin was whiping the stick staight at the diabolo as hard as i could. Im no expert, but as with most tricks, the softer the motion, the better they work. Maybe try not swinging as hard. A little harder to catch at first, but it seems to work alot better.
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I may have to try different equipment to see if that makes a difference, lighter stick or something.

I actually just picked up a set of alluminum sticks and found that its a little bit easier than the carbon fibers just cause the swing is more steady with the extra weight, plus you can feel whats goin on alot better too.

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martijn

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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2006, 02:06:50 AM »
Great input Mike, thanks :)

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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2006, 11:07:52 AM »
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I was having the same problem for awhile too, i found that what i was doin was whiping the stick staight at the diabolo as hard as i could. Im no expert, but as with most tricks, the softer the motion, the better they work. Maybe try not swinging as hard. A little harder to catch at first, but it seems to work alot better.
Exactly!The most important thing is the releasing motion, make it relaxed, so that the diabolo won't fly away from you :wink:. Then you catch it a bit closer to your body - this might help. The rest was described perfectly by tijn...

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I actually just picked up a set of alluminum sticks and found that its a little bit easier than the carbon fibers just cause the swing is more steady with the extra weight, plus you can feel whats goin on alot better too.
For me, it's a lot easier with extremes as well, the diabolo just flies too far away with cars or fibres...try it with alu's...

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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2006, 02:47:07 PM »
Ah, you see, I've got the "pop" quite good and get it nice and vertical and fairly close to my body.  I've managed this with an upward swinging arc as I've done the stopover and to release the left handstick quite late in the swing.

Indeed smooth is always the best.  Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.  I guess I just need to practise more.  But I must say, this is probably the thing I've practised the most (other than my 5 cascade) and to not much avail.

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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2006, 10:48:27 PM »
very good tutorial!  but i really dont like the remake of such great heigts
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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2006, 03:05:17 AM »
I'd like to see more at the normal point of view because you bring the diabolo low when you do the trapeze and bring it up when you release the stick and pop it up that way.  

I normally bring it stratight across (parallel) and pop it only slightly (can't really explain how i pop it) and catch it like that.  However, I've heard that we should pop it up when doing a regular genocide. (from mithew from Jacob Sharpe)  What do you think about not popping it up?  

Josh

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« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2006, 03:32:39 PM »
You just have to catch it lower then.

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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2006, 10:46:30 PM »
Lolz  :lol:  I can't even do a simple magic knot and now i'm almost ready whit the Genocide after practise a half day. Weard, but it must be a very good tutorial then :D

Bedankt he, Martijn...  :wink:

Ilias

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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2006, 02:06:58 PM »
Isn't it easyer if you take your right stick whit both hands to do the genocide and then release your right hand when u have to take the left stick back?

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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2006, 02:16:39 PM »
Hmm not for me, but I don't know, it could work for others. Try and see what works best.

Ilias

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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2006, 03:00:39 PM »
I alredy tried, let's say I only do it that way. But there's one problem, the btb pass won't work if u hold the stick whit both hands... so I'll have to learn it the normal way too...  :cry:
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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2006, 09:30:50 PM »
Hehe, like I already said, I can't even do a simple magic knot, but now I can do the genocide... I should practise a little bit more on the btb pass, but wich vertax trick should I try next? Can someone help me please? :D

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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2006, 10:42:19 PM »
I would suggest stopovers, some suns, magic knot, whipcatch, wrapsuicide, etc would be some nice tricks for you to try. Have a look at the excalibur section on my website: www.circusplanet.net

Good luck.

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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2006, 10:01:07 AM »
I know your site for a long time... It's really good, and all dutch  :D
I've learned the excalibur start by myself, after I saw it on the circusday (Ypres), I live close to Ypres btw...
I had some problems whit excalibur tricks, till I found circusplanet :wink: When I saw the vertax page for the first time, I trained the whole evening on the suns (funny if you do a sun above your head and then do a sun under your legs while jumping over it). And I had to learn stopovers too, because they're necessary for vertax. The next trick i wanted to learn whas the magic knot, but my problem is, I can't catch the diabolo! So I tried the wrap suicide. I whas almost ready whit it, then I didn't practised for 1 day and all my experience whas gone... But then I saw you added a new trick at your excalibur page, the genocide. It should've been to difficuld for me, but I learnd it in 2 days, and it looks sooo cool.  :P I hope the basic tricks will go easyer now, but don't you know some other advanced vertax tricks, like the genocide? (Maybe i could learn it then before school starts again...)

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« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2006, 03:17:18 PM »
The tricks I know in excalibur are up on my website... Oh, but I haven't filmed the umbrella yet. That is all.

Ilias

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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2006, 08:46:39 PM »
Umbrella? Do you mean let the diabolo spin on your stick like you did in the callaboration video or is that another trick?

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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2006, 08:49:19 PM »
No, that is a grind. Have a search around the forum for more info about excalibur. Or, take a look at circusplanet for links to some interesting topics.

Ilias

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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2006, 09:04:20 PM »
Okay, tanx  :D

 

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