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wes

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« on: January 05, 2005, 08:38:46 AM »
Today, I made a video of 2diabolos backwrap and frontwrap suicide.
http://www37.tok2.com/home/wataru/movie/juggling/edited/rsticktutorial.mpg
They are not new tricks, but a boy in Japan asked me how to do these tricks.

If you are practicing these, you can refer to this video.

Thank you.

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2005, 09:38:15 AM »
was that the music from super mario land??

something ive neglected to work on for a while, so may get back to trying these later today cheers for doing it in slow motion

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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2005, 11:17:15 AM »
soooo confusing! Is it just a normal vortex but with a suicide instead of a backwrap to reverse it at the end?

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Oli

P.S.doo doo da doo doo dooo de dooo dooo dooo di duu doooo - gotta love that song!

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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2005, 02:51:41 PM »
thanks Wes, could you talk us through the tricks if possible? (I am easily confused :) )

martijn

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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2005, 04:04:58 PM »
Thanks for the tutorial Wes, but it confuses me. I don't get it :?

wes

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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2005, 04:22:02 PM »
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Is it just a normal vortex but with a suicide instead of a backwrap to reverse it at the end?

The important points of this video is 'suicide' part. In 'Back side' part, I did suicide instead of backwrap, and in 'Front side' part, I did it instead of frontwrap. Vortex and Arm-stall are just ornaments at the end. :wink:

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2005, 04:30:20 PM »
The part of the trick that Wes is referring to is the suicide part at the end of each trick. Basically, you do a normal vortex and then when that diabolo is coming back to your dominant hand you let go of the stick, it wraps around the diabolo, and you catch the stick and deal with the wrap.

Priam has one of the first versions of this trick online (Laché vers Noeud) at the bottom of this page and indicates that he believes the trick was discovered by Eric.

So, when you release the stick you can either have it do a front wrap or backwrap. I think the most common trick is the front wrap where you can do a normal vortex again and again (popularized in online videos by Trash). Tony Frebourg usually does a backwrap version throws that diabolo down and then vortexes again. This is the same thing with an extra step.

So, the hard part is learning the control to switch between front and backwrap versions. For me, for example, I usually do the front wrap version and I have to think about it if I want to do the backwrap version.

If you are confused about what I mean by the infinite version here's an old video I have:
http://diabolo.ca/video/temp/sean_2d_infinite_frontwrap_suicides.mpg (800k)

(oh, just realized - to make this more confusing, Wes and I refer to the various wraps in reverse. His backwrap is what I have called a front wrap #-o )

Sean

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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2005, 04:45:41 PM »
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Basically, you do a normal vortex and then when that diabolo is coming back to your dominant hand you let go of the stick, it wraps around the diabolo, and you catch the stick and deal with the wrap.


That's a good explanation! I tried this several times (sun to knot and when the diab is coming back to my dominant hand => suicide) But it all ends up in a tangled up mess. :( I don't have enough time to let the stick travel around the diabolo to wrap it. Any tips?

wes

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2005, 06:03:32 PM »
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(oh, just realized - to make this more confusing, Wes and I refer to the various wraps in reverse. His backwrap is what I have called a front wrap  )

oh, I mistake the means of frontwrap and backwrap! 'frontwrap' in my video means 'backwrap' and 'backwrap' in the video means 'frontwap'. sorry, everyone. :cry:  It is need to correct the video about it... And thank you Sean for explaining in details! :D

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But it all ends up in a tangled up mess.  I don't have enough time to let the stick travel around the diabolo to wrap it. Any tips?

hmm, if you do frontwrap with suicide, you can return 2diab shuffle with vortex (like the Sean's video), and if you do backwrap, you can't return with vortex, but you can return by whip etc.(like Tony)  And it is need for diabolo which comes back to your dominant hand to come back with speed to some extent. If you move your non-dominant hand a lot, the speed of diabolo decreases, and you can't have enough time to let the stick move around the diabolo. This problem also made me trouble for a long time. :wink:

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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2005, 06:56:36 PM »
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And it is need for diabolo which comes back to your dominant hand to come back with speed to some extent. If you move your non-dominant hand a lot, the speed of diabolo decreases, and you can't have enough time to let the stick move around the diabolo. This problem also made me trouble for a long time. :wink:

THANK YOU! :D Now I got it :D I don't vortex it out, but just hold the wrap (backwrap) and unwrap it back into to shuffle :)

Thanks again for the tip: let it come back FAST! :wink:

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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2005, 07:10:21 AM »
Now, I corrected my mistake and put the video online again.  Sorry for mistaking.

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THANK YOU! :D Now I got it :D I don't vortex it out, but just hold the wrap (backwrap) and unwrap it back into to shuffle :)

Good! The more you practice it harder, the smoothly you can do the trick. Moreover you can arrange the trick for yourself!

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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2006, 10:34:37 AM »
Does wes still diabolo much? I haven't seen any new stuff from him in a while, although he did make a post in January.
Behind your back is your front.

martijn

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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2006, 11:07:43 AM »
As far as I know he's still very busy with school, but he does play diabolo every now and then. I think he spends most of his time on 3 diabolo's (and he should! :D). A bit too busy to post here on the forum I think. Wes, you out there?

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2007, 08:02:19 PM »
tijn, Can you uptade your upload? 404 file not found.
|)><(|   hope you understand my english

martijn

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2007, 08:52:22 PM »
Yup, thanks for noticing. It's back up.

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2007, 09:09:16 PM »
thx for the reupload Tijn, i was unsuccessfully looking for that tutorial :D

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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2007, 12:54:10 PM »
cheers.
|)><(|   hope you understand my english

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2008, 05:36:48 AM »
I am really curious about this trick, and want to learn this trick, but i can't download this tutorial.
Could anyone please help me?
thanks a lot!

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2008, 12:22:14 PM »
same here! none of the links seem to work anymore.
can anyone re-upload the tutorial please? (or film a new one?  :P)
Juggling! Because everything else requires only one ball.

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2008, 07:26:02 PM »
i´m also for reup 8)
For downloading from youtube use programm called jdownloader. It's freeware, just google it up.

seán_

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2008, 12:22:07 AM »
TBH there wasn't a lot to it. Wes used a confusing Japanese convention of calling front wraps, back wraps and had to shoot in a cramped space so it was difficult to make out what was happening.

It was very welcome at the time (jan 05) since it was a cutting edge trick and ANY videos nevermind tutorials were thin on the ground. If you read through the earlier posts you should get tips on the move involved and other videos that will show you what the trick involved.

For those that want the crib notes the move is basically the little suicide that you do with your dominant hand from an anti-shuffle (usually simplest from a vortex)
So do a vortex, give it plenty , slightly lift and let go of the stick as the diabolo comes round grab the stick again*. more often than not you will have a front wrap so you will most likely need to vortex again to deal with it.

*Practice this suicide with 1d first, a lot of newschoolers  won't be aware of a lot of little moves like this seeing as they have been brought up on integrals and the like. Do it from a left stopover or reverse orbit as the diabolo travels along the string and towards the right hand you should feel a place where you can release the right stick so that it is forced to wrap the diabolo.

Video examples of the move include most videos with Marc Cabry in them and I do one in Short and Long at 44secs (with a natty charlie chaplin swing thrown in for good measure.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9yKfKvUmOg

Remember tutorials aren't always the guarantee to the instant ability to do a trick. The vast majority of tmoves should be easily worked out from watching any clip of the trick several times if you have the required skill level and trickbase for that move. Some things are a bit out of the ordinary and benefit from a dedicated tutorial.

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2008, 06:35:47 PM »
What helps a lot is not trying to ''throw'' the stick into a suicide, but use the force of the vortex. What I am trying to say is that yoiu should do a ''strong'' vortex so you can just let the stick slip out of your hand, instead of throwing it.
''I have been practising some basic 2d suicide stuff to widen my arse''

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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2008, 02:30:04 PM »
Thanks a lot!
But i still can't do the frontwrap vortex suicide :'(

I'm trying to do the vortex suicide, and everytime when I want to let off my right stick, the two diabolos just fall off Cry, I've seen the tutorial video for almost forty times, but i still don't know how to solve this problem. Huh

Could anyone please help me?

thanks.

smallocean

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2008, 12:38:39 AM »
Could somebody please explain what a "strong" vortex is?
I can do short and long vortex, but i just don't understand what a "strong" vortex is. ???


please help me, i really want to do the frontwrap vortex suicide!
thanks

seán_

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2008, 10:50:14 PM »
strong = give it some
weak = just (or not) enough

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2008, 12:20:59 AM »
seán_, I don't know what you mean(sorry, my english is poor :'(), would you please explain it again?

thanks

Marijn

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2008, 10:53:37 PM »
''strong'' vortex = unwrapping with some (more) force.
''I have been practising some basic 2d suicide stuff to widen my arse''

smallocean

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Re: 2 diabolos, back/frontwrap suicide tutorial
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2008, 07:30:30 AM »
seán_,Marijn, thanks for your help.

 

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