Vertax is rubbish

[Will G]

Not saying vertax is limited, just more limited than normal 1d

[christoi]

Vertax is a lot more limited than 1d, less fun (my opinion)

Less fun? I enjoy vertax, it's just fustrating to learn trick like with 1d. There is no such thing as a limited amount of tricks- there is just too many vertax tricks that are impossible to do. (e.g. the 6x vertax genocide, etc.)

[Tipper]

vertax is rubbish (because i cant do neck transfer -.-' )

but why not learn it anyways?

[ERIK da blue]

Personaly, I think vertax (or should I say vertex? xD) is not rubbish. It looks amazing and is usually a crowd pleaser.

elevator is a crowd pleaser. That is also rubbish.

[Hathaway]

You can do a neck transfer without being in vertax... its in loads of body combos.

[Icebox]

vertax has some really good tricks and i find it good to watch, but it's too difficult to make a vertax performance smooth if you add tricks. If there were a way to make vertax as smooth as one diabolo, i'd say it wasn't rubbish, but you can't, so it's rubbish

[Arthur]

What is the problem with Vertax!
It's just another position of the diabolo, and it expands the amount of tricks you can do with your diabolo.
People shouldn't make such a problem of other people doing it. I think most important is that the preformer of the tricks likes what he/she is doing.
most of the comments are just stereotyping vertax...
I like vertax btw, even wish i was better at it.

[Icebox]

I'm changing my opinion. I think vertax is not rubbish, but it should be left to those who can do it well or are willing to practice it to make it look better. My previous reasoning still stands.

[The Void]

Ah, the thread that won't die. Wear your hearts on your sleeves!... er chests....

The Void
..................
Has a bigger spoon than you.

[Marko]

Oh vertax is just so Rubbish. Don't do it people. There is just no reason why anyone would like to do vertax.

The less people do it, the better the ones doing it will seem to be. Now that would make me cool...

[maunch]

elevator is a crowd pleaser. That is also rubbish.

Hater!! 

[Toddyupa]

ELJAS? JOONA? M4U? MATT HALL!
Have a look at them, then fly to Australia and tell me with a straight face that Vertax is Rubbish!
Seriously, I don't get why someone started the whole Vertax is Rubbish idea that all so long ago. Completely random and out of the blue.

[GreenFinesse25]

Vertax is not rubbish if you can do it like the Sharpe Bros. Lol

[Hathaway]

Looby invented it!

[Marko]

I used to get angry over this whole movement. Apparently i've switched sides, since it's true. Most of jugglers can't even do proper vertax So where can i get these shirts again?

[mike.]

I used to get angry over this whole movement. Apparently i've switched sides, since it's true. Most of jugglers can't even do proper vertax So where can i get these shirts again?

YES, and the links in the voids sig

[Toddyupa]

WHAT??? Marko, but, you like, but, did all the, like, finger grinds and manipulation with the string, and, like, but, I'm in real shock here. Emotional time for me. The Vertax haters are winning. This can't be...

[Marko]

Yea, i still do put most of my practice time to vertax, hoping that someday it will be anything but rubbish. In it's current state vertax is rubbish. I've gotta admit that. People are just focusing on genocides (like what's happening with genocides and integrals with normax right now) and that's not at all the thing that i like about vertax. It can be so much more but it isn't.  Really.

So this is mainly the reason why i believe that vertax is rubbish. We'll see how it progresses if people care to put time needed to learn vertax properly. Most people can't even stay still while doing vertax, now the control needed for that is ancient, like 4-5years old. It's oldschool and still it is so rare to see a decent control over vertax. For all this i happily agree with Void and others that "Vertax is Rubbish." (Even bought one t-shirt for support.)

That doesn't still change the fact that i like to practice vertax. Don't loose all the faith in the world Toddyupa. Maybe someday vertax will claim it's place in diabolo discipline. But that day is not today or even this year.

Cheers.

-Marko

[christoi]

Yea, i still do put most of my practice time to vertax, hoping that someday it will be anything but rubbish. In it's current state vertax is rubbish. I've gotta admit that. People are just focusing on genocides (like what's happening with genocides and integrals with normax right now) and that's not at all the thing that i like about vertax. It can be so much more but it isn't.  Really.

I agree that most people are focusing on genocides now. Its because it's the few vertax tutorials there are and it's amzing to pull off. There are more tricks but they don't try it becasue it's either there taking time perfecting genocides, it's too difficult or they don't know how to do it/ can't bothered to try to get it. There are loads of tricks that can be done with practice. An example is the vertax loop genocide in the video "Turn it Out." It's the vertax version of the loop genocide by Pranny. It's a bit different but the concept is simmilar.

Sadly, people learn it, learn a couple of tricks and just stop altogether. Like 3D, some people just give up and stop. The reason why people say its rubbish is probably becasue they cannot do it and ish jelous of others who can. (Although I am rubbish at it I still think its not rubbish  )

I think vertax is great and I encourage others to continue doing vertax. Then you will hopefully regret it if you said that vertax was rubbish. 

[Not Skilled Yet]

The two diabolo excalibur grind column in 40 below Pt. 2. Watch it if you think vertax is rubbish. Vertax around the body 2d passing Eljas and Joona. Vertax is not rubbish. M4u and many others.