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There are alot of members on this forum who belong to various juggling retailers or who produce equipment for diabolists. This thread can be used to suggest ideas for fututre prodcuts, improvements, ideals and preferences which could be added or introduced to the current diabolo set, whether technological or aesthetical. hopefully this thread will help manurfacturers see what diabolists really want.

I'll start it off:

1) Inspired by the ideas suggested with the 'fly' diabolo; Different coloured hubs and washers could be produced for mainstream diabolos like the 'Finesse' or 'Circus' so that the diabolo could remain one colour. White versions would be especialy useful for 'Finesse' as your equipment would match as a set if you chose white carbons over black. Or alternatively, a wider variation of handstick colours.
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good idea!

i would like a wider colour of diabolos, espescially finesse, and yes someone should really make some different coloured axles and stuff.

also i would love to see carbons that dont waste string! i like long carbons and they waste loads of string!

different coloured handsticks would be cool

but the thing i really want in some flys that are not so brittle! i mainly play on concrete and i like bearings so a rubber (or some sort of tough plastic) would be great!

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also i would love to see carbons that dont waste string!

That would be ideal!

I also think that a diabolo company should work on a pair of strong wooden sticks that don't have you tying the string on and then have it get all twisted up during routine play. 
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coloured hubs for finnesse.
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I would like a fly diab that isn't destroyed by concrete.
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One of the current trends in yo-yoing is the use of hub stacks. These are 2 additional bearings securely mounted along the same axis as the yo-yo's axle. See the picture below (the hub stack is the white plastic part in the middle):

These hub stacks can be grabbed whilst the yo-yo is spinning allowing it to be held or manipulated, changing the plane/axis of spin or moved between mounts.
Some videos will probably give you a better sense of what I'm talking about than my rather clumsy description:
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Anyway, the point of all this was that I'd like to see someone adapt this idea for diabolos. Obviously you'd need a longer stack that protruded from the diabolo's cup but I think the theory is sound.

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I would like to have a universal light kit, or something that connects the finesse light kit to flys, suns, tiabolos, circuses, all sorts of diabolos with really good light kits.

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That's sounds cool, it sounds slightly similar to the adjustments tre'space use but more commercialised.

EDIT: Taken out gimmicks
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Don't call those gimmicks, you might get flamed for that :P

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Guy Heathcote brought up the hub stacks a while ago, can't remember the relevance though.

I'd like to see some new and interesting cup designs and paint jobs (like decals and paint masks) similar to the stuff you can do to a Henrys Viper shell but in a retailers products.  It'd be a nice to see something more than just block colours.  The glittery shiny stuff you get on Taibolos is pretty close.

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Re: What next?; suggestions for future products and what a diabolist really wants
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2007, 11:06:06 PM »
I'd like to see some new and interesting cup designs and paint jobs (like decals and paint masks) similar to the stuff you can do to a Henrys Viper shell but in a retailers products.  It'd be a nice to see something more than just block colours.  The glittery shiny stuff you get on Taibolos is pretty close.

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Oh, boy would that be sweet.
Special designs would make diabs look much cooler, especially those specifically designed to look even cooler while spinning.

I'd also love it if you could buy diabolos with mixed coloured cups (i.e. a Green&Red cup diabolo bought individually without the need to buy one red diabolo and one green).

Durable Light Sticks that are playable on concrete. Now that would be amazing.
No offense to those different light stick makers out there, of course ::)
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Re: What next?; suggestions for future products and what a diabolist really wants
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2007, 11:49:26 PM »
a diabolo made specifically for vertax would be good (bearing option with something that covers the axle nut so you can do ufos and not damage the tip of the handles.
the yoyo hub stacks look like an interesting idea.

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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2007, 12:13:19 AM »
Light kits that the motion trails say stuff, I don't know what it's called but I've seen it before on kid toys and stuff
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Re: What next?; suggestions for future products and what a diabolist really wants
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2007, 01:45:12 AM »
Not really Diabolo, But would like to see some cool cases for Diabolo.

Like yoyo ones people use, But bigger with a awesome design on the front :P I might try making one of these soon..

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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2007, 11:14:55 AM »
Maybe double ended sticks...this would allow the use of just two sticks but with two diabolos on separate strings kind of...I'll try and make a diagram type of thing:

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          |                                      |              <---normal sticks                        |                                      |
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I guess you would hold the sticks in the middle..then put a different diabolo on each string. I'm not sure what this would allow for maybe 2d vertax...I don't know. This would be very hard to do so maybe variations could be made.

Another new idea is perhaps two loops of string from the one end...Maybe one shorter and one longer
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Re: What next?; suggestions for future products and what a diabolist really want
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2007, 02:08:40 PM »
its funny you should bring up that double ended stick idea. i've been playing with that on and off for about 6 months, there are some strange things to be done.

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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2007, 02:30:51 PM »
I keep thinking about length customizable sticks (something that could be changed in a matter of minutes). Golly, I'm such a handstick nut  ;D.
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2007, 05:31:01 PM »
Sticks with grips like the inside of felt tip pens (the ones which are coated in plastic) might work. If they could be used they would be the comfiest handsticks ever!
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2007, 06:00:50 PM »
no idea what you mean, but i agree that some comfier sticks would be nice.

Sticks with grips like the inside of felt tip pens (the ones which are coated in plastic) might work. If they could be used they would be the comfiest handsticks ever!
Sticks with grips like the inside of felt tip pens (the ones which are coated in plastic) might work. If they could be used they would be the comfiest handsticks ever!

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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2007, 06:59:21 PM »
Break a felt tip pen, or one of those Berol pens they give to little kids in schools and you'll see what I mean. Essentially it's felt wrapped by a layer of plastic.
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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2007, 07:06:38 PM »
wouldnt be very practical would it? :P a bit of felt is definitely strong enough for infinite suicides :D


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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2007, 11:03:10 PM »
Plastic on the outside with glue and stuff?

Actually that's a thing I'd like to see: Stick ends made from rubber that doesn't chew up on concrete.
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Re: What next?; suggestions for future products and what a diabolist really want
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2007, 06:22:03 PM »
xtreme g2s with the silicone grips, and aluminuim screw tips.

p.s. anyone know where i can get silicone tubing?
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2007, 06:45:19 PM »
p.s. anyone know where i can get silicone tubing?
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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2007, 09:08:10 PM »
They'll fit on extremes g2/g3 ?

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Re: What next?; suggestions for future products and what a diabolist really wants
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2007, 09:16:59 PM »
The 2mm diameter handsticks work fine with the g2 xtremes.

http://firetoys.co.uk/juggling/Devil_Stick_Hand_Sticks.html

Get a pair, cut them up to the length you want, and slide them on. Hairspray seems to work for keeping them stuck on the aluminum, although there are probably better options.

As for g3s, some sets have the silicone option already, so there's almost no reason to strip that off and put devilstick silicone on.

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« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2007, 09:45:50 PM »
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Now that idea, i like. Give that man a prize.

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As for g3s, some sets have the silicone option already, so there's almost no reason to strip that off and put devilstick silicone on.

I hate g3's. But thanks for the link to the handsticks.
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2007, 12:29:34 AM »
Now that idea, i like. Give that man a prize.

I hate g3's. But thanks for the link to the handsticks.

No probs - hope the steel thread is working out for you OK?.

The g2's also came with silicone grips as far as I remember - & I hate the g3 also
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2007, 12:37:27 AM »
also i would love to see carbons that dont waste string! i like long carbons and they waste loads of string!

Like these?
http://diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=1373.msg31069#msg31069
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Re: What next?; suggestions for future products and what a diabolist really wants
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2007, 09:07:25 PM »
Henrys yellow in white (stylish suit -check, rakish hat-check, gleaming white diabolos and sticks-check, classy looking workable string-???)
Oh and why not have a variety of colours while we are at it.

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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2007, 09:14:35 PM »
http://firetoys.co.uk/juggling/Devil_Stick_Hand_Sticks.html

Thanks for the link, makes me want to try to use the splitted colours models :P

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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2007, 09:55:47 PM »
Saw the effect of UV light on my henrys yellow for the first time the other day, looked pretty cool especialy as I was performing in a dark pub. Made me think how great glow-in-the-dark white henrys string would look if it existed, is that even possible?
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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2007, 01:02:44 AM »
It would probably play like poo on a stick, not very useful and sticks to everything.  It's such a fine line with string that any sort of coating or change to the plastic would give it drastically different properties, I think.

I think Pete is looking for some aluminium threads if someone who's allowed to use a lathe and ring-die could sort him out.  Silicone handgrips are the way to go, they protect the ends of the sticks and are nice and grippy.

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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2007, 04:55:39 PM »
I'm sorted for aluminium threads now, got an engineer friend to whip some up for me. A little short but they'll do for now. Thanks anyway.
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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2007, 08:13:24 PM »
One of the current trends in yo-yoing is the use of hub stacks. These are 2 additional bearings securely mounted along the same axis as the yo-yo's axle. See the picture below (the hub stack is the white plastic part in the middle):


I made one kit with this idea for a circus with this idea. It is not very good yet, makes the diabolo wobbly and doesn't have actual bearings.. But it works. Let's just call it a prototype. I'll post you pictures if you want to. Or even video if come up with something funky with this thing  ;).

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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2007, 08:19:55 PM »
I'll post you pictures if you want to. Or even video if come up with something funky with this thing  ;).

Sounds great! I'm curious as to what direction this idea will go. Maybe hub stacks will someday be a neat addition to diabolos.
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« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2007, 08:27:00 PM »


Ok, there you go. With crappy quality and little overview of my messy desk. Basicly the black/grey part spins, so you can crab it while rest of the diabolo keeps spinning.

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« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2007, 08:29:53 PM »
does it work well?

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« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2007, 08:56:19 PM »
To be honest, it's not great. The hub stack works fine (I guess it could lot better, no experience with other stacks of any kind) when is used. When you hold it the diabolo keeps the spin quite nicely. But the kit makes my diabolo annoyingly heavy and wobbly. Wobblynes is mainly due to bad engineering, I couldn't get the 'stack' or whatever perfectly straight with the parts and tools I have at the moment.

Maybe I'll try to make it nicer in the future, But I'm proud of it for now, it is, after all, made of two little wheels and some iron bolts and nuts.

edit: I made some significant changes to the system, it is sweet now. More info/pics later.

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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2007, 11:48:30 AM »
That would be ideal!

I also think that a diabolo company should work on a pair of strong wooden sticks that don't have you tying the string on and then have it get all twisted up during routine play. 

 When I started a mate gave me a pair of old wooden sticks that had the string going in like an alloy henrys. They were quite beefy & did brake in the end (the pressure on the hole was too much in their old age, & this seems to be the case with many conversions on cheap wooden sticks.), but I only got them cos they had been chewed by a dog!

 Anyway, I would really really like to see a better range of coulors for Finnese G3's, especially BLACK so I can have Skankin diabolo's! Could Mr Babache please make these whilst he makes the white G3's please?!?!?!?!?!?! Oh, and a white hub just to finish it off!

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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2007, 12:06:48 PM »

Ok, there it is, not wobbly at all, still a little heavy though. Took some abec3 bearings from old skateboard wheels. Diab remains the spin very well when you hold it from the hubstack (the bearings). I think I'm still going to modify it a little, to to make it lighter and maybe add alonger bolt to to have the possibility of doing those spinning top kind of moves.

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« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2007, 12:25:54 PM »
Nice modding tommi ;)

How about a diabology II ;D. Its been a few years since the original came out, and new things/tricks have been invented. Instead of limiting the diaboloists to France (MFP), go broader, around the world!

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« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2007, 03:35:58 PM »


How about a diabology II ;D. Its been a few years since the original came out, and new things/tricks have been invented. Instead of limiting the diaboloists to France (MFP), go broader, around the world!

Yes diabology 2 that was a good idea.
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« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2007, 01:29:35 PM »
Screw Diabology II. It would be awesome. But hell, Diabology still has so hell crazy tricks. And its years old!
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« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2007, 02:54:16 PM »
Light kits that the motion trails say stuff, I don't know what it's called but I've seen it before on kid toys and stuff

Like this? http://ledlightray.com/photos/polo-tech-new-led-fan.jpg

It'd be a bit hard to see words, especialy with the diabolo being thrown about the place, but different patterns moving along it could look good.
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« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2007, 03:26:26 PM »
Nice modding tommi ;)

How about a diabology II ;D. Its been a few years since the original came out, and new things/tricks have been invented. Instead of limiting the diaboloists to France (MFP), go broader, around the world!

Perhaps a MFP World Tour, going to cities around the world to help eager diaboloists master tricks.

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« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2007, 04:46:52 PM »
Like this? http://ledlightray.com/photos/polo-tech-new-led-fan.jpg

It'd be a bit hard to see words, especialy with the diabolo being thrown about the place, but different patterns moving along it could look good.

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Cups that are grippy and shaped like a finesse, but don't get covered in scuff marks or get scratched on concrete. Or am i asking too much...
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I was thinking, how about a completely UV reactive diabolo, could look amazing for stage performances. or has that already been invented?
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Is the Finesse Moon UV reactive?  The yellow Finesse is kinda glowy, I've not seen a white one under UV.  I'll tell you what isn't though, Circus Lumo, doesn't glow for toffee resulting in a last minute switch to Finesses which resulted in a nasty performance.

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All the finesses apart from the blue and moon ones are UV reactive as far as i know, but i've never tested any to see how well they work.
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Light kits, light sticks, and other light props are out there... How about light string :D
Or maybe fire string for fire play :)
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Light kits, light sticks, and other light props are out there... How about light string :D
Or maybe fire string for fire play :)

isn't the fire diabolo string Kevlar? like the wick? so couldn't you like douse some fuel on it and light it up as well?
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isn't the fire diabolo string Kevlar? like the wick? so couldn't you like douse some fuel on it and light it up as well?

It would die, fast.
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I need something for scrapes and cuts. Or maybe something to put around arm/leg/neck so you don't give yourself rope burns when practicing body combos. Wearing pants and long sleeves work but sometimes the weather just isn't suitable for that kind of clothing. Also my jackets are all kinda baggy and loose and I don't have tight long sleeve shirts.

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I need something for scrapes and cuts. Or maybe something to put around arm/leg/neck so you don't give yourself rope burns when practicing body combos. Wearing pants and long sleeves work but sometimes the weather just isn't suitable for that kind of clothing. Also my jackets are all kinda baggy and loose and I don't have tight long sleeve shirts.

I thought about this a long time ago and the only thing I could think of was a couple padded straps that could go around your arms, legs, neck (wherever the string would touch your skin). I imagine that a sports equipment store would have something that you could modify to suit your need. I never really followed the idea because I don't do many body combos.
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All the finesses apart from the blue and moon ones are UV reactive as far as i know, but i've never tested any to see how well they work.
Seems to make no difference to them even when im holding my yellow finesse right up against a UV light
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They should be pretty UV reactive. I mean, teeth are really bright under UV light, so at least the white and yellow finnesses should be.
Also, the moon is the best for UV light. It was in some old thread.

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I need something for scrapes and cuts. Or maybe something to put around arm/leg/neck so you don't give yourself rope burns when practicing body combos. Wearing pants and long sleeves work but sometimes the weather just isn't suitable for that kind of clothing. Also my jackets are all kinda baggy and loose and I don't have tight long sleeve shirts.
Denim seems to work, although I don't like jeans much.
You could also wear the material that's in between denim and khakis (I don't know what it's specifically called, some sort of polyester?)
Heavy hoodies are nice, too, but Texas might be too warm for that most of the time...
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