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Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« on: January 20, 2008, 12:36:36 AM »
Im currently deciding which diabolo to get(3 of)and which is better, particularly better for 3 diabolo shuffling.
So opinions are appreciated, thanks.

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2008, 12:39:43 AM »
Taibolos were made with multiple diabolo play in mind. But suns, being heavier, have more momentum so they might be easier to shuffle.

I'd go Taibolos personally. Since Nev also has a discount.
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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2008, 01:21:00 AM »
Neither one is better. They do feel quite different though. The taibolos are very light - especially if you switch the washers for something lighter, which is probably a good idea. Then they are lighter than finesses. The sun's with the default washers are quite heavy. With fly washers they are a bit lighter, but still on the heavy side of diabolos. They are both quite stable.

If you tend to get wrist problems then definitely go with the taibolos. They are the only ones I can practice 3 diabolos with without wrist pain. Suns would be the opposite.

They are both great diabolos for 1, 2, and 3.

I'd say that heavier diabolos may be easier to get a feeling for the 3d shuffle, but they are also more likely to give you wrist problems when putting in the endless hours necessary to learn it.

I've settled on the taibolos as my favourites at the moment.

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2008, 10:57:20 AM »
I'd say it's easier to learn the shuffle on suns. Taibolos are a bit harder to keep in line without knowing how to accelerate, but they are incredible for tricks.

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2008, 11:48:21 AM »
I have both and I use Suns almost exclusively because I enjoy a heavier diabolo - the wide axle feel is perfect for me, but it is a bit too heavy for a lot of people. It still has all the same potential as any other diabolo, and you can lighten it with some Replacement Washers from the Fly. The Tai has a great feel, but its so light and the axle area is a little weird to me. Maybe I need to put more time into that diab in order to appreciate it more.

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2008, 12:16:15 PM »
In my opinion, the two are mostly comparable in weight, so depending on the amount of use the weight difference can become beneficial, or reverse.
For short periods of play, the weight would aid stability and spin duration, at the cost of accelerating with more effort- so it'd be more straining on you.

For long periods of practice or whatever, a lighter diabolo would have more responsiveness, accelerate more easily, and be less straining on you.

So if the weight difference is all that you're wondering about, just think about what you're going to be doing with your diabolos , and for how long.

(Don't take my word for it, I've not touched either one so far- just judging by what I've read so far...  ;)   )

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2008, 08:04:15 PM »
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I would go with Taibolos because they are more like my favorite diabolo, and they are more responsive because of their weight. I have Sundia Suns and they seem sluggish compared to my Finesses of similar weight to the Taibolos
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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2008, 05:20:59 PM »
Neither one is better. They do feel quite different though. The taibolos are very light - especially if you switch the washers for something lighter, which is probably a good idea. Then they are lighter than finesses. The sun's with the default washers are quite heavy. With fly washers they are a bit lighter, but still on the heavy side of diabolos. They are both quite stable.

If you tend to get wrist problems then definitely go with the taibolos. They are the only ones I can practice 3 diabolos with without wrist pain. Suns would be the opposite.

They are both great diabolos for 1, 2, and 3.

I'd say that heavier diabolos may be easier to get a feeling for the 3d shuffle, but they are also more likely to give you wrist problems when putting in the endless hours necessary to learn it.

I've settled on the taibolos as my favourites at the moment.


What did you use to swap out the washers on your taibolos?  I haven't actually taken mine apart, do they have the same heavy metal washers like the suns?

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2008, 10:44:41 PM »
I would say taibolo because they were made for multiple play. Also  i have both taibolo and sundia suns and prefer taibolo for multiple play.

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2008, 10:39:48 AM »
I was looking for some advice about Tiabolos and Suns.
I hear both diabolos have their pro's and con's for multiple diaboloing, but I was wondering how good tiabolos and suns compare for single diabolo play (if they can compare at all)? Both seem great for 2 & 3d, but I was looking for an all round wide axle diabolo to replace my finesses. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 11:29:52 AM »
Well it's all just a matter of personal preference. I like the Sun more for 1d.

Why is the Sun compared to the Taibolo so much? Aren't they completely different diabs?

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 12:06:42 PM »
Thats probably why they are. Just like Finesse and Circus were.
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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2008, 01:18:53 PM »
Ah. That makes sense :P Don't forget the Fly though :)

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2008, 04:46:04 PM »
I was looking for some advice about Tiabolos and Suns.
I hear both diabolos have their pro's and con's for multiple diaboloing, but I was wondering how good tiabolos and suns compare for single diabolo play (if they can compare at all)? Both seem great for 2 & 3d, but I was looking for an all round wide axle diabolo to replace my finesses. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2008, 05:21:04 PM »
I hear both diabolos have their pro's and con's for multiple diaboloing, but I was wondering how good tiabolos and suns compare for single diabolo play
Taibolo = very light (especially if you switch out the heavy washers)
Suns/Flys = very heavy (especially if you keep the original sun washers)
One is a light, smooth diabolo that takes finesse to keep in line but you can correct and manipulate on a whim. One is a heavy, smooth rolls royce of a diabolo, that, in comparison, stays straight and keeps rolling no matter what you do.

So, which do you prefer? Only you know.

(Of course, then there's the soon to be available light suns. Hard to say, but these might just be the best of both worlds.)

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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2008, 10:20:54 PM »
Ok, cheers guys. Thx for all your responses. Might wait for these light suns.......
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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2009, 08:55:26 PM »
I was looking for some advice about Tiabolos and Suns.
I hear both diabolos have their pro's and con's for multiple diaboloing, but I was wondering how good tiabolos and suns compare for single diabolo play (if they can compare at all)? Both seem great for 2 & 3d, but I was looking for an all round wide axle diabolo to replace my finesses. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Jimmy.

Suns are probably better for 1 diabolo because of the extra weight they hold spin well. The wide axel is r8 good for fingergrinds (Still prefer bearing Flys XD) and the Tai's..... Well im not really sure about those but I think most people use those for 1,2,3,4 etc and Suns for 1.

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2009, 03:32:51 AM »
I have no idea where you're getting that from. Suns are just as good as Taibolos for 1, 2, 3, and 4 diabolos, and I don't know of anyone who uses Suns just for 1 but something else for the rest.

They're both good and the advantages/disadvantages/differences in feeling are noted in this and other threads.

I'm currently on a hardcore 270 gram sun kick... but I'm still a big fan of the Taibolos too.

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2009, 11:06:06 PM »
Hi Guys.
I've been playing Diabolo for quite a while. Feeling very comfortable with one D I was thinking about starting 2D and I started looking around for different models.
I've been using a Finesse (wide axle) for about a year now. Before that I had a Henry Jazz (yes I know, shame on me..).
Last year at the Swiss Juggling Convention I got my hands on a Fly from somebody and I was stunned about how awesome it was.
So here's the thing:
I was about to order two Flies from Nev's store (I would have ordered already if he wasn't on holidays) and only then I saw the Taibolos. Now, being amazed by the Fly whilst also reading some fantastic comments on the Taiabolo, I am really not sure what to get...

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2009, 12:48:12 AM »
If you want the bearings then get the Flys. If you like the shape of the diabolo but don't need the bearings, then get the Suns. The Taibolos are great too, but they feel quite different. If you haven't tried them but really liked the feeling of the Flys, then perhaps you'd be safest getting the Flys/Suns.

Also, if you like the Finesse with wide axles, keep in mind that the Suns/Flys have wider axles than the Taibolos.

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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2009, 02:10:38 AM »
the Suns/Flys have wider axles than the Taibolos.

Well, the Suns/Flys do have wider axles, but the Taibolo's hubs are designed in a way that it makes them feel like they have a wider axle than they really do. I use the Taibolos, and I have no trouble doing hand grinds, or anything else that would require a wide axle.

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2009, 06:40:56 AM »
I agree with Hack, the Taibolos are great.

I wouldn't go for bearings for 2d-play, it's alot more difficult. It's alot easier to learn 2d with fixed axle diabolos (Off course you could buy Flys and attach some fixed axles on them, but seriously...).

If 2d is the goal, then Taibolos or Suns are the diabolos. I can't say about Suns, but I enjoy the Taibolos
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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2009, 11:33:04 AM »
I have tried the tiabolos and suns. I way preferred the suns because they feel so nice to use and heavier diabolos are better for me. (+they build muscle faster :P) I never looked back at my finesse after having suns.
However, when I tried the tiabolos, they also felt pretty good and they worked really nicely for tricks.
Both diabolos are very good, but I personally prefer the suns.
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2009, 03:02:04 PM »
well, I don't really know much about Suns, but if your going to get Taibolo's I'd advise getting the Glary versions - Nev put them up on his website recently I believe, and they look way better than the standard Taibolo's, but with the same characteristics pretty much. :)

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2009, 05:13:10 PM »
I'd say tiabolo's for sure!! It's the diabolo I'm using the most, but had a go with some suns or fly's and they are pretty good aswell. Only I don't own a set of them to have a good practice with them.
They might be a bit heavy, that's what I like about the lighter tiabolo's. Plus of their shape! Hope eventually to have a v2 kit to work with, which I know are even more awesome then my old ones.
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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2009, 05:38:53 PM »
Hey! I'm gonna purchase 3 new diabolo's from Nev to learn my 3d =)
Because I noticed that learning 3d with taibolo's or suns was much easier then with my finesse's!

But I have one question..

I shall be practicing on the street everyday so wich would be better to buy? The Taibolo's or the Sundia's?

Thanks!

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2009, 08:42:50 PM »
sundias cuz taibolos can get  pretty sharp..
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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2009, 09:04:25 PM »
sundias cuz taibolos can get  pretty sharp..
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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2009, 09:11:54 PM »
they get shredded after a while and if it hits you then it can cut you

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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2009, 10:02:42 AM »
I think Suns are more durable if you want to diabolo off-grass.

If prefer Suns. That is mainly because I do 1d most of the time and for 1d the Sun is just too awesome. If you want some new diabolo's just for 3d/multiple diabolo play I'd say Taibolo's are also a good choice (Suns also...). I have to admit, Taibolo's are smooth as butter. But when I still had my Taibolo's I didn't feel really confident with 1d, I felt that they where just too light and plasticy for ''1d jamming''. For 2d however they felt great, although I still prefer Suns.

So; Suns get my vote anyday, but if you are looking for diabolo's for 2d/3d/4d/... playing, I could imagine that the Taibolo's would also be a decent choice.
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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2009, 04:59:05 PM »
they get shredded after a while and if it hits you then it can cut you

What you mean with that Ben? Do you mean that pieces of the cups come off?

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #31 on: May 31, 2009, 05:33:48 PM »
.no, it means if you play over concrete, it will slice into the cup causing them to cut you
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« Reply #32 on: May 31, 2009, 09:58:30 PM »
.no, it means if you play over concrete, it will slice into the cup causing them to cut you
I've allready experienced this with my taibolos. Give you a mark when they hit you, thats for sure. Especially under the arms :-|
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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #33 on: May 31, 2009, 10:15:56 PM »
But if you treat them nice they will be nice to you!

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« Reply #34 on: May 31, 2009, 10:46:42 PM »
Yeah, if you abuse them they will get some sharp edges and bite back - I use mine over the rough all the time - but then, I like my diabolos to have some attitude
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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2009, 02:02:19 AM »
i have a quick question nev, are the glary diabolos any more durable?
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« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2009, 11:22:42 AM »
i have to admit I've never used a Taibolo but i do have suns and i just love them

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« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2009, 05:34:25 PM »
If you want the bearings then get the Flys. If you like the shape of the diabolo but don't need the bearings, then get the Suns. The Taibolos are great too, but they feel quite different. If you haven't tried them but really liked the feeling of the Flys, then perhaps you'd be safest getting the Flys/Suns.
Also, if you like the Finesse with wide axles, keep in mind that the Suns/Flys have wider axles than the Taibolos.
I loved the bearings and the wide axle. I just ordered 2 Flies (actually 3; 2 for me and one for a mate) yesterday.

I'd say tiabolo's for sure!! It's the diabolo I'm using the most
Hmm.. I shall order those as well when I have too much money...

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2009, 09:57:19 AM »
Ok.. I'm gonna order 3 diabolo's next week! Taibolo or Sundia.. I'm still thinking :P I played all the time with sundia's at the NJF but the Tais are so pretty! But if you all say they will get sharp edges and such if you play on concrete alot then il be better of getting sundia's maybe.. But what about if you just don't do high drops with taibolo's on concrete?

Such a hard choice  :(

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2009, 01:29:22 PM »
spinning taiblolos will definitely shred on concrete. go sundia
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« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2009, 02:37:27 PM »
I don't know. I've never used my taibolos over concrete, but I've used Nev's original taibolos, which I assume have been used over concrete for a long time. The edges didn't seem too bad.

Neither one is fantastic over concrete unless you don't mind some scratches, scuff marks, and rough edges. So, you either get over that or try to mainly avoid pavement/concrete. I haven't fount that too hard to do. I just use my circuses if I'm going to practice over pavement.

In my completely subjective opinion, I prefer the Suns at this point. They just feel like a more solid and stable diabolo, but I think the virtues of each have been well explained already. I did prefer the taibolos over the flys for almost a year at first though, so go figure. My preferences go in phases.

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« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2009, 03:56:08 PM »
hmm I orderd 3 sundia's since at the njf i kept practicing 3 with sundia's and that went really well! And I bought 1 taibolo for 1d =)

I think I made a good decision :)

But thanks for the replys!

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« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2009, 07:42:38 PM »
1 taibolo for 1d =)

i'm sorry but that isnt going to turn out well, i hate tais for 1. thats why i have flys
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« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2009, 07:45:19 PM »
Oh, don't worry about it. It's not that big a deal. A good diabolo is a good diabolo and the taibolo is a good diabolo. We're splitting hairs here. This way you'll get to make a more informed decision about whether you want to get more taibolos in the future. Look at what Arjan and William Wei-Liang Lin do with 1 taibolo and relax.

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« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2009, 07:33:37 PM »
Waaargh! I ordered them monday night and today they already arrived.

Two for me and a blue one for ma mate.

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Re: Taibolo or Sundia Sun?
« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2009, 12:03:36 PM »
Does a Glary Taibolo have a bearing?
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« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2009, 02:58:42 PM »
Does a Glary Taibolo have a bearing?
No. If you want bearing, go for Sundia Fly :)
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