Any help with 3 sync?

[Dave P]

I've decided to learn 3d sync as well as async. It seems that all the help is on async, does anyone have any tips for sync?

[norbi]

well remember your 2 diabolo drill for async? try that.

Do 2 diabolos sync, but wider and more upward movement from the right hand, so that the sync movement throws the diabolo across instead of up. Then do the waiting til the last second thing. That should get you a nice feeling for it. Then do the 2 start, hop the unwrapped one to a nice height and proceed, hopefully.

See if that helps (obiously i am not the best person to help with this, but it has worked a little with me and seems logical)

[Sean]

I've put a lot of thought and practice into this in the last few weeks. There were a few things that helped get my pattern slow, big, and relaxed:

-the left hand (for right handers) must lift the diabolo a bit - not just send it back across
-the left hand motion is similar to in an asynch pattern in terms of direction - but in synch (obviously)
-it helps to have your left hand higher than your right hand
-I find it easiest to start with an asynch pattern, get it under control, and then move into a synch pattern
-I find that if I rush the pattern it gets smaller and faster - it's surprising how much you can slow down the movement and still have it work
-the amount of right and left hand motion are inversely proportional although I find it easiest to have roughly an even amount of left and right hand motion (keeping a comfortable pattern going with entirely the right hand like Ryo sometimes does is not easy!)
-I find it easiest if I find a way to hold my left hand that allows me to lift the diabolos up with a wrist action - watch Ryo's left arm position and you can see that even when he's using mostly his right hand his left wrist still lifts the diabolos a tiny bit
-a slow controlled synch pattern is much more relaxing than an asynch pattern - you just keep doing the same thing - with an asynch pattern I always have to be watching and making small adjustments

That's all I can think of for now... good luck!

Maybe I'll get around to filming some asynch to synch transitions that I've been working on lately.

Sean

[Dave P]

Thanks guys!
I had a little luck with it last night (10-12 ott), it's suprised me how little force is required.
I've been trying to concentrate on the upstroke of the right hand combined with the left hand lift, does this sound right?

[kamikace]

But...Norbi, When you say "do 2 diabolos sinc"
I don´t know if when we do 2 diabolos usual shuffle we are using "sinc" or "asinch" pattern. I read all your coments about the diference between each other but I can´t imagine the movement of hands yet. is there any video of 2 "sinc" diab?

[Sean]

I don´t know if when we do 2 diabolos usual shuffle we are using "sinc" or "asinch" pattern.

Some do a 2 diabolo synchronized (synch) shuffle and some do an asynchronized (asynch) shuffle. Most probably do a "synch" 2 diabolo shuffle most of the time.

Pretty much watch a video of anyone doing a normal 2 diabolo shuffle and you will see a synch pattern. Now watch a video of Baptiste doing a 2 diabolo shuffle and you will see an asynch pattern.

3 diabolos is the same. The synch pattern is generally faster and generally adds more speed. Both hands go up and down at the same time - that's really all it means.

[martijn]

Most probably do a "synch" 2 diabolo shuffle most of the time.

Ooh, that means I'm special I move my hands asynch.

[barnesy]

I don't move my left hand at all when I'm driving two.  But then I already knew I'm special!

[kamikace]

ok sean. I just have one problem, I think all of us do 2 "asynch" because I see the hans are moving one by one (one hand first, the anotherone after...). These is a matter confused for some people (like me, of course guys!). I hope one day ..... could say "that´s clear!"
Wow, my english´s getting badly in every message!

[Elmeri]

I´ve allways used asynch in 2d and i´m going for 3d asynch.
 I can do 2d asynch but it feels very strange.
How is the movement where only rigth hand (for RH people) is giving speed and left hand doesn´t do anything? (like: 3d Ryo Yabe and Tony Freebourg style).

[martijn]

How is the movement where only rigth hand (for RH people) is giving speed and left hand doesn´t do anything? (like: 3d Ryo Yabe and Tony Frebourg style).

Tony's and Ryo's 3d low is synch, because both hands are moving at the same time up and down. The righthand is doing most of the acceleration, that's why synch speeds up the diabs. Maybe it looks like Tony's and Ryo's lefthand isn't doing anything, but their lefthand does move. You can see that if Tony goes from a 3d low pattern to 3d high. Same thing with Ryo.

Correct me if I'm wrong..

[Sean]

Maybe it looks like Tony's and Ryo's lefthand isn't doing anything, but their lefthand does move....
Correct me if I'm wrong.

I've thought about this for a long time now. Every time I've asked Ryo (and I've asked him a lot ) he'll say that he uses only his right hand. He'll also admit that he will use his left hand he needs to (if the pattern is falling apart).

It's very hard to tell whether someone is moving their left hand a bit or if it is just being moved by the diabolos. Certainly it helps if the left hand is loose. If I hold my left hand rigid the pattern slowly gets smaller and smaller until it dies. That's not to say that Ryo, being the diabolo god that he is, can't do it. It makes sense that if you can drive the diabolos hard enough with your right hand that you won't need any left hand motion to help lift the diabolos across.

It probably doesn't matter too much whether you use your left hand a tiny bit or not at all or whether it is synch or asynch. What matters is that you are driving the pattern hard with your right hand to add speed to the diabolos and stability to the pattern.

[Jussi]

I´ve allways used asynch in 2d and i´m going for 3d asynch.
 I can do 2d asynch but it feels very strange.
How is the movement where only rigth hand (for RH people) is giving speed and left hand doesn´t do anything? (like: 3d Ryo Yabe and Tony Freebourg style).

i think most of 2d diabolist can make sync and async (and change mode without thinking it)..

if you move only right hand its sync, if you move only left hand its async, its same with 3d. Ryo's and Tony's style is sync.

[Jussi]

if you move only right hand its sync, if you move only left hand its async, its same with 3d. Ryo's and Tony's style is sync.

well, not really (just kidding)..    you can make sync with left hand only by pushing diabolos to right string.. async is throwing and sync is pushing.. basically its so simple..  

[kamikace]

async is throwing and sync is pushing.. basically its so simple..  

yer! then...I do 2d sinc and when I use my leg or arm, y use  asinch because y think I need higuer throws. mmm.. is asinch like throw the diabolos but very low?
now I´m in the right way i believe...

[martijn]

async is throwing and sync is pushing.

Hmm, I don't think so... I push the diabs with my righthand, and throw them a bit with left... asynch.

[Jussi]

async is throwing and sync is pushing.. basically its so simple..  

yer! then...I do 2d sinc and when I use my leg or arm, y use  asinch because y think I need higuer throws. mmm.. is asinch like throw the diabolos but very low?
now I´m in the right way i believe...

yes, that is perfectly what i meant.. i think most of people do just like that.. sync for speed and async for higher jumps or slowed down shuffle..

async is not "real throwing" as throwing is one diabolo on string at the time (well, maybe double or multiple releases from stalls or knots are real throws, but the bottom line is that diabolos dont affect each other).. of course you can push diabolo down with right hand in async as well, but its not needed - the idea is different, the reason why suffle is going is different  

[Vojtas]

I've started doing 3d low on Thursday and now I can do the wrap start in 4/5 times. Rarely I also do 2 ott in some kind of sync pattern. But when I do sync, the diabolos are shuffling (can I write it like that) only on the right half (I'm RH) of the string. What should I do? What do you guys think I should learn first (which one's easier) - sync or async? What length of string is better - longer or shorter?

[Sharpes]

to blue/shadow, I think a medium-long string is good for async (too long makes wrap starts hard for me). for sync a long string is fine if you're using each hand equally, but a mdium string is better for mostly right hand sync. Both are difficult, I don't think there's a general opinion on which is harder. Trash has said that with sync, once you get it you don't have to think about it at all, where as with async, you always have to focus to keep it in line.

[ztt]

anyone got any tips how to keep 3d sync in line because when i do it i can keep the pattern going but the diabolos start to tilt forward and go wonky, then one falls off. eg: would shorting my string help becouse i have long sting ?