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wooftang

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« Reply #60 on: March 08, 2006, 06:18:52 PM »
hello i am reletavely new can do all cradle tricks but am trying to learn genocides and excalibur at the moment is mini genocides easier than normal?

Hoop

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« Reply #61 on: March 08, 2006, 06:30:46 PM »
Hi Wolfgang.  I think mini-genocides are easier than full/regular genocides, but the man to ask is probably Norbi.   He is awesome with them.  Check out his videos.  I like the one with the a-team theme song.  It got me going with suicide tricks.

john_s

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« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2006, 06:41:30 PM »
i learned mini-genocides first, as you don't need *that* much space to do them in, and the basic motion helps you understand full genocides. but your mileage may vary - i just had no choice over the winter period when my juggling club was shut and my front room was my only practice space.

also, please use the search function - genocides have been covered extensively here : http://www.diabolo.ca/forum/index.php?topic=64

/john

Chiok

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« Reply #63 on: March 09, 2006, 09:23:17 AM »
I'll add as a rebuttle, that I learnt and got full genocides first before mini-genocides.  Getting the diabolo on the backside, and then just swinging out to the right was miles easier than the somewhat fiddly response of a minigenocide.  I just practised them outside, but agreed, minigs are much more indoor friendly (to an extent).

I'd say try full ones first.  Minis require an understanding or wraps and string tension more.

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fredo

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« Reply #64 on: March 09, 2006, 03:10:30 PM »
I agree with Chiok, I learned normal ones first, too. Just with a right backside. But I do minigenos, cause thy're less strenuous, I'm just too lazy to do big ones... :P

J_J777

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« Reply #65 on: March 09, 2006, 11:58:17 PM »
and I'd have destroyed my ceiling long ago if I tried as many full genocides as mini genocides as I have.  yet I still practice integral suicides into infinite suicides, diaboloists, we just don't learn.

Nogbad

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« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2006, 06:26:16 AM »
Well, being that I've "mastered"  the control of spinning the diabolo and can throw and catch it, what do I try next?  I'm very excited to try more.  What would yuo suggest is easy and fun for someone such as myself?
Reggie

frank0072

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« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2006, 07:43:08 AM »
try the search function. a week ago someone asked the same question...
some people think they are better because they can do something better

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« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2006, 10:54:52 AM »
Just to save some time, the best place to start is www.diabolotricks.com after that you could learn to shuffle 2 diabolos and then work on some of the tricks on http://www.circusplanet.net/

To save you from searching around :wink: ,

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Nogbad

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« Reply #69 on: March 28, 2006, 07:25:01 PM »
Well, I'm having some trouble again.  I'm attempting to learn Chinese whips so as to add speed.  I'm confused as to what way I wrap and execute this trick.  diabolotricks.com says to do a leftahand wrap, so for me would that be a right hand wrap?  (lefty)  Do I really need to start switching everytime I see "right" in a trick description to "left?"  Thanks for any help.

Edit:  Is it acceptable to just post any of my "newbie" questions within this thred?
Reggie

Hoop

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« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2006, 09:57:11 PM »
Hey Nogbad.  I may be confused myself, but I would use a left-hand wrap if I was left-handed.  I am right-handed and use a right-hand wrap for chinese whips.  Just wrap your left stick around the diabolo clockwise and start whipping.  It will help if you keep your right hand a little farther from your body than your left hand is.  As for the motion, try downloading and watching some videos where chinese whips are used.  It's a little difficult to understand the motion by just reading or watching the little animation on diabolotricks.com.  I never really got it down until I watched Priam and JiBe doing it.

A lot of tricks can be done without switching the "rights" to "lefts," it will just be a matter of increasing or decreasing spin.  For the most part though, you will probably be better off reversing the directions into "lefty."

This is probably the best thread to post newbie type questions you can't find the answer to using the search function.  Good luck.

Nogbad

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« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2006, 06:14:49 AM »
Thank you for the help, Hoop.

On the subject of wrapping, it seems whenever I wrap the string and attempt to use that method to speed the diabolo it makes the diabolo climp up the string to my stick, am I doing something incorrect?
Reggie

john_s

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« Reply #72 on: March 30, 2006, 10:18:54 AM »
the string wrapping up problem is usually quite an easy one to fix. it's often caused by a mixture of putting tension on the wrapped diabolo at the wrong time, and string that needs changing (or getting used to if you have some new carbons or aluminiums with henrys white string, not forgiving at all in learning this kind of thing).

i found that it was easiest to learn the wrapped orbits to gain speed, as it seemed not only the simplest pattern but also i had a lot more control and time to realise when to apply pressure on the wrap and when to release it. being a righty, i push down on the right where the wrap is, and once on the left hand side, i lift it up with as little tension as possible. that seemed to solve my problems. with chinese whips though... you'd probably get quicker results putting on a nice piece of slippy string. by the time it's worn in you'll probably have the technique near enough there.

/john

Aaron Z

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What Next? (Tricks, that is)
« Reply #73 on: November 16, 2007, 10:32:20 AM »
Herrow!
I'm pretty new to this site and the workings of the forums, so excuse me if I'm doing something stupid by posting here or whatever.

I've been learning all of my tricks from www.diabolotricks.com so far, enlisting a fair amount of help from 'William'.
But my problem is that I don't know what tricks to learn next or what is appropriate for my skill level - I've been stuck cycling the same old tricks and considering others I've tried as too hard or not worthwhile.

So I'm hoping that perhaps I could find some advice from the people around these forums - I'll be posting a video very soon of all the tricks I already know (Someone has to tell me how to do that  ;D ) to give you guys an idea of 'where I'm at'.

Thanks in advance. Regards,
-A.Z.   :)

Shaun

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« Reply #74 on: November 16, 2007, 11:54:22 AM »
Aussie!!
yeh, it's probably not a wise idea to start a new thread about you looking for the next trick to learn.
I recommend just watching some diabolo videos, and see what you think you might be able to do. Your bound to see many tricks that will be way too hard and easy, so look for tricks at your level...what ever that is.

Duncan

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Re: What Next? (Tricks, that is)
« Reply #75 on: November 16, 2007, 11:57:11 AM »
The Trick Archive is a pretty good resource as well. Have a browse and see what tickles your fancy.

-Duncan

Aaron Z

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Re: What Next? (Tricks, that is)
« Reply #76 on: November 16, 2007, 01:20:43 PM »
Okey-Doke, sorry about that.   :-\
Thanks for the heads-up, but in my own defense I didn't make this thread just for myself, I hoped that anyone striving to find out what trick to do next could seek help here: a public help-thread  ;) .

Regardless, I'm gonna post the video I made (I spent like 20 minutes setting my dining room up for it and recording it, so it would be a waste of effort not to...?).
It contains the tricks that came to my mind at the time, by no means the extent of all the tricks I know. I tried to integrate some 'flow' between the tricks to keep a strain of tricks before another speed-up session.l

Here it is, if I added the video properly, anyways: 

<a href="http://img532.imageshack.us/my.php?image=diabolonl2.flv" target="_blank"><img src="http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/8177/diabolonl2.flv.th.jpg" alt="Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us" border="0"/></a>

Oh yeah, I was watching 'Paycheck' in the background, thus the shooty-shooty noises and such.

Mod edit - if its within a few minutes of your last post, use the modify button instead of double posting right after yourself.

Duncan

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Re: The next step? (advancing after first tricks)
« Reply #77 on: November 16, 2007, 01:39:02 PM »
After a bit of deliberation, and watching most of your video, I decided this topic nicely fit here. Now you don't have to worry about having created a new thread ;)

You have plenty of basics (and a chinese snap acceleration that is so loud I'm sure it would frighten me in person), so have a look at some tricks like right/left/big suns, orbit accelerations, leg/arm/body orbits if you don't know them already. Try out some suicide variations since you seem to know those. And why not try out a behind the back whip catch or between the legs whip catch. Have a look through this thread as well.

-Duncan

William

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Re: The next step? (advancing after first tricks)
« Reply #78 on: November 17, 2007, 12:23:43 AM »
Thats my young apprentice right there! ;)
I think Duncan pretty much covered everything I was going to say..
Keep going. You're progressing well.
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Aaron Z

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« Reply #79 on: November 17, 2007, 04:24:14 AM »
Thanks a lot  :)
I suppose the whip accelerations are a bit loud, but I assumed those 'cracks' were an indicator of correct timing - I've practiced all of my snap accelerations to the point of them making that cracking noise... shouldn't they?

Also, there aren't car chases and people being shot outside my house, I was watching 'Paycheck' on the TV next to the camera  :P
Anyways, right now I'm pretty keen on nailing under-the-legs and over-the-arms so I can get coordinated with orbits- my main weak point.

Maybe I'll post another video once I get a few more tricks down and a better camera... if I'm allowed to, anyways.

Well, thanks for the feedback and putting my thread in the right place  ;)

Oh yeah, I've also perfected my Loop 'n' Hook whip catch - I developed on the technique Will. suggested I use (Reaching behind my shoulder with the string before whipping down) which is really effective, so now I'm just trying  to integrate whip catches into any toss tricks.

 

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